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Title: 18,644
Post by: jsglow on February 16, 2014, 10:16:42 AM
Nice showing at the BMO Brad on National Marquette Day.

Too lazy to search the history.  Is that a Top 10 crowd?
Title: Re: 18,644
Post by: Skatastrophy on February 16, 2014, 10:36:52 AM
No

http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/all-time_single_game_attendance_record
Title: Re: 18,644
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 16, 2014, 10:52:07 AM
Quote from: jsglow on February 16, 2014, 10:16:42 AM
Nice showing at the BMO Brad on National Marquette Day.

To lazy to search the history.  Is that a Top 10 crowd?


May wanna text Too Tan Tommy. He had a pulse on that kinda chit.
Title: Re: 18,644
Post by: jsglow on February 16, 2014, 11:16:31 AM
Thanks.  Obviously any update wouldn't move yesterday's game IN but I had thought ND last year was way up the chart.  Perhaps there are some more recent games out there that now make the list.

Props to the students yesterday who attended.  I like to see the upper bowl fill.  Yesterday they got within about 4-5 rows of the top.
Title: Re: 18,644
Post by: bradley center bat on February 16, 2014, 11:21:36 AM
Great crowd! I think it help because it was going to be a early night game at 5pm.
Title: Re: 18,644
Post by: Aughnanure on February 16, 2014, 12:02:39 PM
Went to 8 of those. I remember feeling like every other game broke the "largest crowd to watch a college basketball game in the state of Wisconsin!" record.
Title: Re: 18,644
Post by: Nukem2 on February 16, 2014, 12:09:05 PM
Quote from: jsglow on February 16, 2014, 11:16:31 AM
Thanks.  Obviously any update wouldn't move yesterday's game IN but I had thought ND last year was way up the chart.  Perhaps there are some more recent games out there that now make the list.

Props to the students yesterday who attended.  I like to see the upper bowl fill.  Yesterday they got within about 4-5 rows of the top.
Yes, though by the middle part of the 2nd half, there were a lot of empty student seats in the upper bowl......
Title: Re: 18,644
Post by: keefe on February 16, 2014, 12:33:07 PM
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 16, 2014, 10:52:07 AM

May wanna text Too Tan Tommy. He had a pulse on that kinda chit.

banner worthy
Title: Re: 18,644
Post by: Tugg Speedman on February 16, 2014, 01:12:31 PM
Quote from: Skatastrophy on February 16, 2014, 10:36:52 AM
No

http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/all-time_single_game_attendance_record

This list is years old.  I updated it last year, along with a bunch of other attendance stats.

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=36039.msg449465#msg449465

1. 19,144    Syracuse       March 7, 2009         L 86-79
2. 19,093    Notre Dame   March 2, 2013         W 72-64
3. 19,091    Uconn           February 25, 2009    L 93-82
4. 19,087    Georgetown    March 3, 2012         W 83-69
5. 19,085    Georgetown    March 1, 2008         L 70-68
6. 19,074    Wisconsin      December 11, 2010   L 69-64
7. 19,041    Georgetown   January 31, 2009      W 94-82
8. 19,037    DePaul          January 26, 2008      W 79-71
9. 19,032    Syracuse       January 29, 2011      W 76-70
10. 19,021    Pittsburgh      March 3, 2007         W 75-71
11. 19,020    Wisconsin     December 9, 2006     L 70-66
12. 19,011    Pittsburgh     February 18, 2006    W 72-54
13. 19,007    Pittsburgh      February 18, 2006   W 84-82
14. 18,949  DePaul           January 24, 2009      W 91-82
Title: Re: 18,644
Post by: jsglow on February 16, 2014, 06:47:57 PM
Thanks old 84.  It'll be interesting to see what happens to the season ticket base after this year.
Title: Re: 18,644
Post by: bradley center bat on February 16, 2014, 07:10:19 PM
Quote from: jsglow on February 16, 2014, 06:47:57 PM
Thanks old 84.  It'll be interesting to see what happens to the season ticket base after this year.
Why? Where are the season ticket holders going?
Title: Re: 18,644
Post by: spartan3186 on February 17, 2014, 08:37:09 AM
Quote from: Heisenberg on February 16, 2014, 01:12:31 PM
This list is years old.  I updated it last year, along with a bunch of other attendance stats.

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=36039.msg449465#msg449465

1. 19,144    Syracuse       March 7, 2009         L 86-79
2. 19,093    Notre Dame   March 2, 2013         W 72-64
3. 19,091    Uconn           February 25, 2009    L 93-82
4. 19,087    Georgetown    March 3, 2012         W 83-69
5. 19,085    Georgetown    March 1, 2008         L 70-68
6. 19,074    Wisconsin      December 11, 2010   L 69-64
7. 19,041    Georgetown   January 31, 2009      W 94-82
8. 19,037    DePaul          January 26, 2008      W 79-71
9. 19,032    Syracuse       January 29, 2011      W 76-70
10. 19,021    Pittsburgh      March 3, 2007         W 75-71
11. 19,020    Wisconsin     December 9, 2006     L 70-66
12. 19,011    Pittsburgh     February 18, 2006    W 72-54
13. 19,007    Pittsburgh      February 18, 2006   W 84-82
14. 18,949  DePaul           January 24, 2009      W 91-82

You know, one of the best things about the Wiki pages is that anyone registered on this site can edit them. I created the page back in 2007 and last edited in 2010/11. I already maintain a whole bunch of pages, so if you want to take charge of this page more power to you.
Title: Re: 18,644
Post by: bork on February 17, 2014, 08:47:49 AM
When I was at MU, during the KO, Deane years, 15-16,0000 got you a top 10 attendance.
Title: Re: 18,644
Post by: g0lden3agle on February 17, 2014, 08:52:39 AM
Quote from: Heisenberg on February 16, 2014, 01:12:31 PM
This list is years old.  I updated it last year, along with a bunch of other attendance stats.

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=36039.msg449465#msg449465

1. 19,144    Syracuse       March 7, 2009         L 86-79
2. 19,093    Notre Dame   March 2, 2013         W 72-64
3. 19,091    Uconn           February 25, 2009    L 93-82
4. 19,087    Georgetown    March 3, 2012         W 83-69
5. 19,085    Georgetown    March 1, 2008         L 70-68
6. 19,074    Wisconsin      December 11, 2010   L 69-64
7. 19,041    Georgetown   January 31, 2009      W 94-82
8. 19,037    DePaul          January 26, 2008      W 79-71
9. 19,032    Syracuse       January 29, 2011      W 76-70
10. 19,021    Pittsburgh      March 3, 2007         W 75-71
11. 19,020    Wisconsin     December 9, 2006     L 70-66
12. 19,011    Pittsburgh     February 18, 2006    W 72-54
13. 19,007    Pittsburgh      February 18, 2006   W 84-82
14. 18,949  DePaul           January 24, 2009      W 91-82

Man this list really puts in perspective just how lucky I was to be a student at MU from 2006-2012.
Title: Re: 18,644
Post by: jsglow on February 17, 2014, 09:27:27 AM
Quote from: bradley center bat on February 16, 2014, 07:10:19 PM
Why? Where are the season ticket holders going?

I think you're naive to think that the season ticket holder base won't decrease by at least 500 this off season.  It has already been shrinking modestly the last several years during a time of unprecedented success and national attention for the team.     
Title: Re: 18,644
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on February 17, 2014, 09:33:42 AM
Quote from: jsglow on February 17, 2014, 09:27:27 AM
I think you're naive to think that the season ticket holder base won't decrease by at least 500 this off season.  It has already been shrinking modestly the last several years during a time of unprecedented success and national attention for the team.     

That and they keep jacking prices up every year.
Title: Re: 18,644
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 17, 2014, 09:35:14 AM
Quote from: g0lden3agle on February 17, 2014, 08:52:39 AM
Man this list really puts in perspective just how lucky I was to be a student at MU from 2006-2012.


Not bad, only 6 years to get that bachelors?
Title: Re: 18,644
Post by: jsglow on February 17, 2014, 09:41:22 AM
Quote from: esard2011 on February 17, 2014, 09:33:42 AM
That and they keep jacking prices up every year.

+1.  A couple years back they got cocky and raised the student price to $125.  If I'm not mistaken, that went back to $99 more recently.  They ought do the same thing in the south end for season ticket holders and drop the corners to $175.
Title: Re: 18,644
Post by: g0lden3agle on February 17, 2014, 09:44:57 AM
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 17, 2014, 09:35:14 AM

Not bad, only 6 years to get that bachelors?

Thanks for the vote of confidence 4never  :).  Nope, 6 years got me a BS in EE, an MS in EE, and a combined 4 years part-time/full-time work experience for the resume. 
Title: Re: 18,644
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on February 17, 2014, 09:47:22 AM
Quote from: jsglow on February 17, 2014, 09:41:22 AM
+1.  A couple years back they got cocky and raised the student price to $125.  If I'm not mistaken, that went back to $99 more recently.  They ought do the same thing in the south end for season ticket holders and drop the corners to $175.

I wanna say that my freshman year (2011-12) the tickets were $120 and if you notice there are no top 10 attendance numbers despite having the most talented team that year since ive been here. This year im pretty sure I paid $90 for my tickets.
Title: Re: 18,644
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 17, 2014, 09:51:55 AM
Quote from: g0lden3agle on February 17, 2014, 09:44:57 AM
Thanks for the vote of confidence 4never  :).  Nope, 6 years got me a BS in EE, an MS in EE, and a combined 4 years part-time/full-time work experience for the resume. 


Congrats, just dishin' a little chit. ;D
Title: Re: 18,644
Post by: Coleman on February 17, 2014, 10:33:08 AM
Quote from: g0lden3agle on February 17, 2014, 08:52:39 AM
Man this list really puts in perspective just how lucky I was to be a student at MU from 2006-2012.

Did a couple of victory laps, eh?
Title: Re: 18,644
Post by: bradley center bat on February 17, 2014, 10:35:57 AM
Quote from: jsglow on February 17, 2014, 09:27:27 AM
I think you're naive to think that the season ticket holder base won't decrease by at least 500 this off season.  It has already been shrinking modestly the last several years during a time of unprecedented success and national attention for the team.    
I'm not naive about anything, as I didn't make any statement, other than what you mean by your first post.

I'm sure you don't know what the number are in what they might lose. This year, season ticket sales went up! The prices are the same in 2014-15. Plus, Wisconsin & Arizona State in the non-conference. So, who knows.
Title: Re: 18,644
Post by: 77ncaachamps on February 17, 2014, 10:39:43 AM
I can't wait for the day the only available in-housing "seats" are on the catwalk.
Title: Re: 18,644
Post by: jsglow on February 17, 2014, 10:48:05 AM
Quote from: bradley center bat on February 17, 2014, 10:35:57 AM
I'm not naive in anything, as I didn't make any statement, other than what you mean by your post.

I'm sure you don't know what the number are in what they might lose. This year, season ticket sales went up! The prices are the same in 2014-15. Plus, Wisconsin & Arizona State in the non-conference. So, who knows.

True enough.  It'll be great if this year's average attendance is actually a bump up from what has been a steady but slow decline over the last few years.  Saturday's crowd was very good.  The weeknight Providence crowd a couple weeks back was as bad as I have ever seen it for as conference game the last few years irrespective of the announced figure.
Title: Re: 18,644
Post by: 79Warrior on February 17, 2014, 10:57:29 AM
Quote from: jsglow on February 17, 2014, 10:48:05 AM
True enough.  It'll be great if this year's average attendance is actually a bump up from what has been a steady but slow decline over the last few years.  Saturday's crowd was very good.  The weeknight Providence crowd a couple weeks back was as bad as I have ever seen it for as conference game the last few years irrespective of the announced figure.

The loss of Cuse, Conn, Ville, WVU, ND etc will most certainly have some effect on ticket sales.
Title: Re: 18,644
Post by: MUfan12 on February 17, 2014, 10:57:47 AM
Quote from: jsglow on February 17, 2014, 09:41:22 AM
They ought do the same thing in the south end for season ticket holders and drop the corners to $175.

I think the problem is the jump from corner to sideline upstairs. I sit in 441, and if we moved over one section to 442, it jumps from $275 to $450. I'd consider moving over for a little better view if they were $75 more instead of $175.

Title: Re: 18,644
Post by: source? on February 17, 2014, 11:15:10 AM
Quote from: 79Warrior on February 17, 2014, 10:57:29 AM
The loss of Cuse, Conn, Ville, WVU, ND etc will most certainly have some effect on ticket sales.

Yep. Offset somewhat this year by very high expectations for the team. Didn't pan out, but the season tickets were already sold.
Title: Re: 18,644
Post by: bradley center bat on February 17, 2014, 11:16:33 AM
Quote from: jsglow on February 17, 2014, 10:48:05 AM
True enough.  It'll be great if this year's average attendance is actually a bump up from what has been a steady but slow decline over the last few years.  Saturday's crowd was very good.  The weeknight Providence crowd a couple weeks back was as bad as I have ever seen it for as conference game the last few years irrespective of the announced figure.
PC was at 6pm. It snow a bit that day. Who knows why people don't show up.

For myself, I'm at every game! I wish people who choose not to go to a game, give your tickets to someone who can go.
Title: Re: 18,644
Post by: bradley center bat on February 17, 2014, 11:18:14 AM
Quote from: 79Warrior on February 17, 2014, 10:57:29 AM
The loss of Cuse, Conn, Ville, WVU, ND etc will most certainly have some effect on ticket sales.
That can't be true for this year, as season ticket sales went up by 600.

WVU has been gone for two years already. L'ville was not on the home schedule, last year. Plus, UConn didn't pump attendance at all last season.

Title: Re: 18,644
Post by: source? on February 17, 2014, 11:22:41 AM
Quote from: bradley center bat on February 17, 2014, 11:18:14 AM
That can't be true for this year, as season ticket sales went up by 600.

WVU has been gone for two years already. L'ville was not on the home schedule, last year. Plus, UConn didn't pump attendance at all last season.



Where do you find info on # of season ticket holders? Just curious.
Title: Re: 18,644
Post by: jsglow on February 17, 2014, 11:29:42 AM
Quote from: bradley center bat on February 17, 2014, 11:18:14 AM
That can't be true for this year, as season ticket sales went up by 600.

WVU has been gone for two years already. L'ville was not on the home schedule, last year. Plus, UConn didn't pump attendance at all last season.



Do remember that we are coming off an E-8 run following back to back Sweet 16s.  And does your figure include the mini packs?
Title: Re: 18,644
Post by: Litehouse on February 17, 2014, 11:30:55 AM
Quote from: striker14 on February 17, 2014, 11:22:41 AM
Where do you find info on # of season ticket holders? Just curious.

Check the attendance for the Grambling game :)
Seriously though, I don't know the real answer, they may have inside info.
Title: Re: 18,644
Post by: slack00 on February 17, 2014, 11:32:11 AM
Quote from: bradley center bat on February 17, 2014, 11:16:33 AM
PC was at 6pm. It snow a bit that day. Who knows why people don't show up.

For myself, I'm at every game! I wish people who choose not to go to a game, give your tickets to someone who can go.

A lot of season ticket holders are from the greater Chicago area, Madison, or Green Bay.  Sometimes weeknight drives in the snow aren't fun.
Title: Re: 18,644
Post by: bradley center bat on February 17, 2014, 11:32:20 AM
Quote from: striker14 on February 17, 2014, 11:22:41 AM
Where do you find info on # of season ticket holders? Just curious.
Don Walker has put numbers out on his blogs. He broke it down by student numbers and general public numbers.

Plus, you can kind've guess when you look at the smallest non-conference crowd of last season to this season. It's fair to say not many people are buying single game tickets for the 2nd home game of the year versus Grambling at 6pm on a Tuesday night. That paid attendance that night was 13,372. Which is the smallest crowd of the season. Marquette last season, had crowd of 12,587 & 12,679.
Title: Re: 18,644
Post by: jsglow on February 17, 2014, 11:40:50 AM
Quote from: bradley center bat on February 17, 2014, 11:16:33 AM
PC was at 6pm. It snow a bit that day. Who knows why people don't show up.

It might also have had something to do with a team that was woefully under performing at the time.  Again, my hope is that the annual attendance slide is broken this year.  And a solid run the rest of the way (including in the NCAA) might just pave the way for relative strength at the box office next year.

It'll be interesting to see the announced crowd on Wednesday as well as the 'eye test' of butts in the seats, both in the student section and upper bowl generally.  
Title: Re: 18,644
Post by: jsglow on February 17, 2014, 11:41:30 AM
Quote from: bradley center bat on February 17, 2014, 11:32:20 AM
Don Walker has put numbers out on his blogs. He broke it down by student numbers and general public numbers.

Plus, you can kind've guess when you look at the smallest non-conference crowd of last season to this season. It's fair to say not many people are buying single game tickets for the 2nd home game of the year versus Grambling at 6pm on a Tuesday night. That paid attendance that night was 13,372. Which is the smallest crowd of the season. Marquette last season, had crowd of 12,587 & 12,679.

No doubt an excellent proxy.  Thanks.
Title: Re: 18,644
Post by: bradley center bat on February 17, 2014, 11:53:53 AM
This year MU's average attendance is 15,233 so far. Up from 15,033 from last year's season.
Title: Re: 18,644
Post by: source? on February 17, 2014, 01:13:23 PM
Quote from: Litehouse on February 17, 2014, 11:30:55 AM
Check the attendance for the Grambling game :)
Seriously though, I don't know the real answer, they may have inside info.

I would, but I bought a ticket for my gal. Numbers are off by at least 1  :D
Title: Re: 18,644
Post by: mu_hilltopper on February 17, 2014, 01:30:03 PM
Quote from: bradley center bat on February 17, 2014, 11:18:14 AM
WVU has been gone for two years already. L'ville was not on the home schedule, last year. Plus, UConn didn't pump attendance at all last season.


But .. it's not just one season's schedule.  Season ticket holders, with the point system .. have an investment they've paid into for years, not just the donation $$s but in terms of year after year of paying for tickets as well.  

Where I'm going with that is .. having a "down" schedule one year isn't a big deal.  But .. now people deciding on whether to keep their season ticket point investment also will look at the future .. a future without Notre Dame games, without UConn games, without Louisville, Pitt, Cincy, Syracuse.  

There's little doubt that that investment has lost some value with a weaker BE and loss of caché. -- The bar was set really high during the BE years no doubt, we were spoiled.
Title: Re: 18,644
Post by: Tugg Speedman on February 17, 2014, 01:59:00 PM
Quote from: bradley center bat on February 17, 2014, 11:53:53 AM
This year MU's average attendance is 15,233 so far. Up from 15,033 from last year's season.

Not only are we ahead of last year, we are also ahead of 2012's 15,138 average.

Go back and look at this thread

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=36039.msg449465#msg449465

It goes on for 8 pages whining about our "collapse" in attendance.  Buzz was blamed for not being as charismatic as AL, Milwaukee was blamed for losing interest, the kids were blamed for not supporting the school and football was blamed for dominating the sports landscape. 

So a funny thing happened on the way to the decline and fall of MU basketball, we are not at a three year high in attendance with more big games coming to potentially add to it.

How did that happen????
Title: Re: 18,644
Post by: BossplayaOtto on February 17, 2014, 02:08:40 PM
Quote from: MUfan12 on February 17, 2014, 10:57:47 AM
I think the problem is the jump from corner to sideline upstairs. I sit in 441, and if we moved over one section to 442, it jumps from $275 to $450. I'd consider moving over for a little better view if they were $75 more instead of $175.


MUFan, I also sit in 441.  for the non-conference games (except OSU) and most weekday BE games we usually can easily slide over to 442 or 443 as many of the season ticket holders don't show.  I have 4 seats so $175 more per (plus I think there is a $50-$100 mandatory donation per seat) a section makes it a non-option for us.  I too would consider it for $75 per.

What row are you?   
Title: Re: 18,644
Post by: jsglow on February 17, 2014, 02:14:26 PM
I'm sure we're successfully riding the coattails of the NCAA success, especially last year.  The Grambling numbers are actually quite impressive.

My thought process is somewhat similar to topper's.  Sure all the folks who hold long term lower bowl tickets will be back every year.  I'm just a bit worried about the marginal fan who may have decided to 'opt in' around our joining the BEast.  That could be a more fluid base.  And that's before we even consider the 600 who jumped on board this year.
Title: Re: 18,644
Post by: bradley center bat on February 17, 2014, 02:14:50 PM
I sit in 442, stay away!  :D

I think many love Creighton, Butler & Xavier, that it's no real loss losing Pitt, Cincy & UConn for people buying season tickets. I've heard old timers say if we stay with the AAC of Tulane, East Carolina, USF, Houston, Tulsa, etc. many would not be season ticket holders.
Title: Re: 18,644
Post by: jsglow on February 17, 2014, 02:56:57 PM
Quote from: bradley center bat on February 17, 2014, 02:14:50 PM
I sit in 442, stay away!  :D

I think many love Creighton, Butler & Xavier, that it's no real loss losing Pitt, Cincy & UConn for people buying season tickets. I've heard old timers say if we stay with the AAC of Tulane, East Carolina, USF, Houston, Tulsa, etc. many would not be season ticket holders.

No doubt we made the correct move.
Title: Re: 18,644
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on February 17, 2014, 03:00:49 PM
Quote from: bradley center bat on February 17, 2014, 02:14:50 PM
I sit in 442, stay away!  :D

I think many love Creighton, Butler & Xavier, that it's no real loss losing Pitt, Cincy & UConn for people buying season tickets. I've heard old timers say if we stay with the AAC of Tulane, East Carolina, USF, Houston, Tulsa, etc. many would not be season ticket holders.

bat, I thought you were in the 500s or even the 600s.  Except for against providence.  floor seats then.
Title: Re: 18,644
Post by: wardle2wade on February 17, 2014, 03:21:48 PM
Quote from: bradley center bat on February 17, 2014, 02:14:50 PM
I sit in 442, stay away!  :D

I think many love Creighton, Butler & Xavier, that it's no real loss losing Pitt, Cincy & UConn for people buying season tickets. I've heard old timers say if we stay with the AAC of Tulane, East Carolina, USF, Houston, Tulsa, etc. many would not be season ticket holders.

You have a good point there.  While we all enjoyed great games vs Pitt, Uconn, and Cincy over the years, some of MU alumni base has Jesuit overlap with Creighton and Xavier alum... ie maybe it's a brother, sister, cousin, uncle who goes/went there.  For the casual fan, that type of connection is probably a draw for some families to attend more-so than a random Pitt/Uconn/Cincy game.  I'm not saying this is huge, but it's gotta exist.
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