This post in no way, shape, or form is intended to be a slight against young john Dawson. i like everything he has been in his 8 months at Marquette. Emphasis on the 8 months.
This post is inteneded to call out the lunacy from many on this board, most especially Ners, who has ripped Derrick and stated ad nauseum that Dawson need to be the PG going forward.
I will be the first one to say that Derrick Wlson will not be on the Mt. Rushmore of MU PG's and in fact wouldnt even be on the Mt. Rushmore of MU pg's in the last 10-15 years.
However, he is a junior, and while he may not have the upside of Mr. Dawson or the other Freshman the bottom line is Dawson is a Freshman.
Not matter how loud or no matter how many times Ners yells something, that doesnt make him correct. Derrick Wilson in 23 of 24 games has been the best Pg on the floor for MU.
Last night MU had 3 turrnovers hwne Derrick left the game in the first half. Mu was pounding SH. John dawson came in and struggled, as Freshman are proneto do. In fact our other freshman struggled last night too. 3 turnovers and 3 fouls later, Buzz had to do something, he went to Todd Mayo at PG , for the first time all year. That was a disaster, then he tried Jamil, similar results. The Half ends in a1 point game. 12 point lead gone! 3 Turnovers turned into 11!!
Second HAlf Derrick plays the whole half and the entire team has 2 turnovers. derrick has 0 for the game. In the entire 27 minutes that derrick played Mu had 5 turnovers. In the time that Derrick sat out in the first half MU had 8 to 3 for SH.,, the defense was weaker and the lead was blown. And I am not even touching on the perimeter defense that Derrick plays.
Then last night NErs, posts Derricks stats and says something to the effect that they were mediocre. What a joke. The kids a Warrior, and for all things that he is not. he is still by far our best option at the PG. And for 23-24 games this year its not really even debatable.
One correction, there were 3 second half turnovers. Still a superior number.
Ners is wedded to his position. I don't see another thread changing that.
Quote from: LittleMurs on February 12, 2014, 09:51:52 AM
One correction, there were 3 second half turnovers. Still a superior number.
Ners is wedded to his position. I don't see another thread changing that.
Derrick going for 20-10 a night from here on out isn't going to change that.
I would say if the mods locked a Ners' PG post, it might be a good idea to just let the attacking/defense of either player go.
Great post, River rat.
John Dawson will become a fine player at Marquette and I will be cheering for him every step of the way. And he was awesome against Georgetown - I voted for him as SOTG, although the consensus ultimately gave it to STJr (both were deserving IMHO).
But as you stated, Derrick has proven time and time again that he is the best PG MU has right now. And unless Buzz starts tanking on this season like the Bucks (not gonna happen), Derrick will continue to start and get the majority of the minutes...and deservedly so.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on February 12, 2014, 10:40:21 AM
Great post, River rat.
John Dawson will become a fine player at Marquette and I will be cheering for him every step of the way. And he was awesome against Georgetown - I voted for him as SOTG, although the consensus ultimately gave it to STJr (both were deserving IMHO).
But as you stated, Derrick has proven time and time again that he is the best PG MU has right now. And unless Buzz starts tanking on this season like the Bucks (not gonna happen), Derrick will continue to start and get the majority of the minutes...and deservedly so.
I am 33 years old. In my lifetime of watching Marquette basketball Derrick Wilson is the worst pg I have seen. It is absolutely terrible watching him game after game.
Quote from: mubuzz on February 12, 2014, 10:46:59 AM
I am 33 years old. In my lifetime of watching Marquette basketball Derrick Wilson is the worst pg I have seen. It is absolutely terrible watching him game after game.
Apparently you missed the 04-05 season.
You keep saying that, both here and on the scout board. Anthony Candelino comes to mind. Niv Berkowitz. Brandon Bell. Joe Chapman. Marcus Jackson. I don't believe that Derrick is an all BE performer. I have seen nothing beyond the G-town game to indicate he is not the best PG on this year's roster. And I have advocated several different line up changes this year. Starting 3 guards. The end to Oxtule. Starting Deonte or JJJ. But there has not yet been a moment where I thought someone other than Derrick should be starting at the point.
Quote from: mubuzz on February 12, 2014, 10:46:59 AM
I am 33 years old. In my lifetime of watching Marquette basketball Derrick Wilson is the worst pg I have seen. It is absolutely terrible watching him game after game.
These are the posts that irritate me.
Sure everyone on this board would like to have Travis Diener or Sam Worthen walk through that door. But saying he is the worst is truly dense. Same could be said about Thomas at Sg. the point is they are the best we have and to argue that we need to play even lesser players becuase we are not estatic about the ones we have is lunacy!!
6 months ago Derrick was scheduled to be our 3rd string PG, VAnder left Duane got hurt. What you gonna do? 1 year ago Jake was to be our 4th string 2g , TAylor and vander left, and Todd before a few weeks ago struggled. What you gonna do. What have your 33 years taught you do do in Buzz's predicament??
Should he go sign 5 top 100 guards? Well he did that!
Quote from: mubuzz on February 12, 2014, 10:46:59 AM
I am 33 years old. In my lifetime of watching Marquette basketball Derrick Wilson is the worst pg I have seen. It is absolutely terrible watching him game after game.
Where do Brian Barone and Brian Barone rank? Also, we've been fortunate to have Cordell Henry, Dominic James, and Travis Diener which probably take up a lot of your MU memories.
Derrick knows his role (game manager), and it is what it is. Duane Wilson was probably going to be the starting PG had he not go injured during camp. If Derrick gives what he gave last night, as a MU fan, I'm more than glad to take that.
I hate to paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld, but Buzz is going to war with the team he has, not the team he wishes he had. He is starting the best PG he has, not the one he thought he would have 10 months ago. If Todd, Davante, and Jamil had brought it consistently every game up until now, this debate wouldn't be happening. They are now coming closer to the goal of playing hard every possession on both ends. And the team is playing better.
Quote from: mubuzz on February 12, 2014, 10:46:59 AM
I am 33 years old. In my lifetime of watching Marquette basketball Derrick Wilson is the worst pg I have seen. It is absolutely terrible watching him game after game.
That honor goes to Marcus Jackson.
I started following MU the year before KO took over. MU has had an extraordinary run of quality PG play, starting with Tony Miller. Hutch, Cordell, Travis, Dominic were all very good college PGs. Even Mo as a senior was above average, and Junior turned into a pretty good player as well.
Derrick is a serviceable PG, who is improving as the season goes on. Against most opponents, he's the best option this team at PG. I've had about enough the same people here railing on him, when there are other issues that have plagued this team even more.
Quote from: wardle2wade on February 12, 2014, 10:58:41 AM
Where do Brian Barone and Brian Barone rank?
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that wherever they are ranked, they are tied. ;)
Quote from: River rat on February 12, 2014, 10:56:02 AM
These are the posts that irritate me.
Sure everyone on this board would like to have Travis Diener or Sam Worthen walk through that door. But saying he is the worst is truly dense. Same could be said about Thomas at Sg. the point is they are the best we have and to argue that we need to play even lesser players becuase we are not estatic about the ones we have is lunacy!!
6 months ago Derrick was scheduled to be our 3rd string PG, VAnder left Duane got hurt. What you gonna do? 1 year ago Jake was to be our 4th string 2g , TAylor and vander left, and Todd before a few weeks ago struggled. What you gonna do. What have your 33 years taught you do do in Buzz's predicament??
Should he go sign 5 top 100 guards? Well he did that!
I had forgotten about the potential move of Vander to point guard. When commentators bring up Vander's leaving early, they always talk about the impact of Marquette losing its 2G. Moving to PG would have probably enhanced Vander's pro chances, and allowed Derrick to continue in his backup role. I disagree that Duane would have supplanted Derrick as the backup, but I can't say it wouldn't have happened.
If Vander had stayed and moved to PG, who would have started at the 2G? Jake would have transferred since he had graduated and MU wouldn't have had a schollie for him had Vander stayed. Without Jake on the team, and with Duane injured, Vander probably would have been pushed back into the 2G role. So, most likely we'd still being seeing Derrick starting at point guard.
Speaking of bad points, didn't Robb Logterman play point his frosh season before Miller came on board? Or was Miller not ready yet?
I distinctly remember games where we had 31 turnovers, 25 turnovers, and consistently 20+ against any team who pressed us.
How does that even compare to our point situation now? No understanding of history is the only way it could compare.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on February 12, 2014, 11:31:38 AM
Speaking of bad points, didn't Robb Logterman play point his frosh season before Miller came on board? Or was Miller not ready yet?
I distinctly remember games where we had 31 turnovers, 25 turnovers, and consistently 20+ against any team who pressed us.
How is that even compare to our point situation now? No understanding of history is the only way it could compare.
Miller came aboard when Logterman was a sophomore, and IIRC Miller started from day one.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on February 12, 2014, 10:02:28 AM
Derrick going for 20-10 a night from here on out isn't going to change that.
Well we all know that will NEVER happen in his career...so no worries there.
I just love how 1 game of Dawson playing poorly, in extended minutes, all of sudden means it is clear cut Derrick is the best PG option for this team. How many clunkers has Derrick played? 15? Derrick ever made a careless turnover or two in a game? Ahh..yes....many times...
Didn't see all you Derrick backers after the Georgetown game saying "It's clear Dawson should be the starting PG," which was also just 1 game.
The issue I have simply is you guys are trying to polish a piece of coal into a diamond...and referring to how great of game it is when a PG getting 29 minutes scores 7, shoots 3-4 from the FT line (much to the shock of everyone), and has 5 assists - largely due to Jamil draining 3's on trailer passes.
And as for the OP..and the 23 other games...I sure as hell would hope a guy averaging 29.7 minutes per game would put up better numbers than a guy averaging 10. Sadly, Dawson has still tripled Derrick's career 3 point FG's made...and the defenses lack of respect for Derrick shooting is getting beyond comical as the picture I uploaded last night illustrated.
We didn't win last because of Derrick. We won in spite of him...and Dawson for that matter. Jamil was a monster, Davante good, and Mayo solid. Derrick had 0 assists in the 2nd half in 20 minutes, FYI. He made 2 layups essentially...and 3 of 4 FTs...WOW.
I like Derrick his game is diff from Dawson which doesn't make him a bad ball player..... I like that he believes in himself and does Derrick! .... Young Dawson will blossom and come along in this program guarantee you me ..... I like the fact that he's learning the system and that he's available for MARQUETTE
I'm with Ners on this one.
Locking his post just proves, once again, that the Mods are power-hungry egomaniacs.
Quote from: Ners on February 12, 2014, 11:59:38 AM
Well we all know that will NEVER happen in his career...so no worries there.
I just love how 1 game of Dawson playing poorly, in extended minutes, all of sudden means it is clear cut Derrick is the best PG option for this team. How many clunkers has Derrick played? 15? Derrick ever made a careless turnover or two in a game? Ahh..yes....many times...
Didn't see all you Derrick backers after the Georgetown game saying "It's clear Dawson should be the starting PG," which was also just 1 game.
The issue I have simply is you guys are trying to polish a piece of coal into a diamond...and referring to how great of game it is when a PG getting 29 minutes scores 7, shoots 3-4 from the FT line (much to the shock of everyone), and has 5 assists - largely due to Jamil draining 3's on trailer passes.
And as for the OP..and the 23 other games...I sure as hell would hope a guy averaging 29.7 minutes per game would put up better numbers than a guy averaging 10. Sadly, Dawson has still tripled Derrick's career 3 point FG's made...and the defenses lack of respect for Derrick shooting is getting beyond comical as the picture I uploaded last night illustrated.
We didn't win last because of Derrick. We won in spite of him...and Dawson for that matter. Jamil was a monster, Davante good, and Mayo solid. Derrick had 0 assists in the 2nd half in 20 minutes, FYI. He made 2 layups essentially...and 3 of 4 FTs...WOW.
Somehow 1 game of Dawson playing well, in extended minutes, was enough for you to say he should get the majority minutes though. Pot -->Kettle.
Dawson will be a good player in time.
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 12, 2014, 12:16:58 PM
Somehow 1 game of Dawson playing well, in extended minutes, was enough for you to say he should get the majority minutes though. Pot -->Kettle.
Dawson will be a good player in time.
Don't enable him
Quote from: TSmith34 on February 12, 2014, 12:17:59 PM
Don't enable him
I know I shouldn't. But it really bugs me when there are obvious misuses of logic in argument. It's one thing to be emotional or passionate in your argument. It's another to just be incorrect in your argument.
Quote from: Ners on February 12, 2014, 11:59:38 AM
Well we all know that will NEVER happen in his career...so no worries there.
I just love how 1 game of Dawson playing poorly, in extended minutes, all of sudden means it is clear cut Derrick is the best PG option for this team. How many clunkers has Derrick played? 15? Derrick ever made a careless turnover or two in a game? Ahh..yes....many times...
Didn't see all you Derrick backers after the Georgetown game saying "It's clear Dawson should be the starting PG," which was also just 1 game.
The issue I have simply is you guys are trying to polish a piece of coal into a diamond...and referring to how great of game it is when a PG getting 29 minutes scores 7, shoots 3-4 from the FT line (much to the shock of everyone), and has 5 assists - largely due to Jamil draining 3's on trailer passes.
And as for the OP..and the 23 other games...I sure as hell would hope a guy averaging 29.7 minutes per game would put up better numbers than a guy averaging 10. Sadly, Dawson has still tripled Derrick's career 3 point FG's made...and the defenses lack of respect for Derrick shooting is getting beyond comical as the picture I uploaded last night illustrated.
We didn't win last because of Derrick. We won in spite of him...and Dawson for that matter. Jamil was a monster, Davante good, and Mayo solid. Derrick had 0 assists in the 2nd half in 20 minutes, FYI. He made 2 layups essentially...and 3 of 4 FTs...WOW.
Ners, I share much of your opinions on the quality of our PG play throughout the year, but at this point you're either not watching the games or you're trolling.
It's a two sided coin. Where you gain credibility is when people on this board choose to look at the inconsistencies of everyone other than Derrick Wilson. Their argument essentially is that if everyone played well all the time Derrick Wilson's offensive liability wouldn't be discussed. I believe that a starting point guard in a quality NCAA basketball conference from one of it's most consistently successful programs over the last 7-10 years should be an offensive contributor. You have no arguments from me there.
Where you lose me is in your straw man you have so meticulously built in John Dawson. Were we to believe you, Marquette would have a budding superstar PG who's not seeing the floor unjustly. Replacing Wilson for Dawson in your mind equates to problem solved. It's simply not the case for most objective followers of this year's team.
Derrick Wilson is not an ideal PG for Marquette this year, but given our lack of options he is our best option by default. That's not a credit to him so to speak as simply the state of affairs of our back court this year.
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 12, 2014, 12:20:02 PM
I know I shouldn't. But it really bugs me when there are obvious misuses of logic in argument. It's one thing to be emotional or passionate in your argument. It's another to just be incorrect in your argument.
That's the challenge! His points and "logic" are so easily refuted and illogical that it's tough to hold back. Nothing is going to change his mind though and he's going to keep repeating the same arguments over and over and over and over and over...which reminds me, did you know that Dawson played well against Georgetown and that Derrick Wilson doesn't shoot 3s?
Derrick ever going for 20-10 will never happen...
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on February 12, 2014, 10:02:28 AM
Derrick going for 20-10 a night from here on out isn't going to change that.
Quote from: tower912 on February 12, 2014, 10:53:55 AM
You keep saying that, both here and on the scout board. Anthony Candelino comes to mind. Niv Berkowitz. Brandon Bell. Joe Chapman. Marcus Jackson. I don't believe that Derrick is an all BE performer. I have seen nothing beyond the G-town game to indicate he is not the best PG on this year's roster. And I have advocated several different line up changes this year. Starting 3 guards. The end to Oxtule. Starting Deonte or JJJ. But there has not yet been a moment where I thought someone other than Derrick should be starting at the point.
Candelino-yes. Hell, Berkowitz and Bell weren't in the program long enough to qualify. Chapman was better than Derrick, and could shoot. Marcus Jackson was a better soccer player.
Quote from: River rat on February 12, 2014, 10:56:02 AM
These are the posts that irritate me.
Sure everyone on this board would like to have Travis Diener or Sam Worthen walk through that door. But saying he is the worst is truly dense. Same could be said about Thomas at Sg. the point is they are the best we have and to argue that we need to play even lesser players becuase we are not estatic about the ones we have is lunacy!!
6 months ago Derrick was scheduled to be our 3rd string PG, VAnder left Duane got hurt. What you gonna do? 1 year ago Jake was to be our 4th string 2g , TAylor and vander left, and Todd before a few weeks ago struggled. What you gonna do. What have your 33 years taught you do do in Buzz's predicament??
Should he go sign 5 top 100 guards? Well he did that!
Who the hell scheduled Derrick as our 3rd PG 6 months ago, except some on this board, who do not have that responsibility. The guy that does, never scheduled Derrick to be 3rd-el Buzzo.
Quote from: wardle2wade on February 12, 2014, 10:58:41 AM
Where do Brian Barone and Brian Barone rank? Also, we've been fortunate to have Cordell Henry, Dominic James, and Travis Diener which probably take up a lot of your MU memories.
Derrick knows his role (game manager), and it is what it is. Duane Wilson was probably going to be the starting PG had he not go injured during camp. If Derrick gives what he gave last night, as a MU fan, I'm more than glad to take that.
Wait--Buzz said Derrick is a game changer, not a game manager.
Quote from: madtownwarrior on February 12, 2014, 12:57:42 PM
Derrick ever going for 20-10 will never happen...
He may have already done that--20 minutes and 10 assists.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 12, 2014, 01:08:30 PM
Wait--Buzz said Derrick is a game changer, not a game manager.
Give it a rest. Why don't you PM ners and you two can out on a dinner date and hate on DW all nite.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 12, 2014, 01:08:30 PM
Wait--Buzz said Derrick is a game changer, not a game manager.
Ask Bryce Cotton if Derrick was a "game changer" in that one. Heck, watch MU's game last night and tell me that the game didn't change without Derrick on the floor. Guys can be "game changers" without scoring a bunch of points.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on February 12, 2014, 01:23:07 PM
Ask Bryce Cotton if Derrick was a "game changer" in that one. Heck, watch MU's game last night and tell me that the game didn't change without Derrick on the floor. Guys can be "game changers" without scoring a bunch of points.
Lol, wow smh. If u think in any way, shape, or form that he is a game changer u r beyond delusional.
Quote from: mubuzz on February 12, 2014, 01:31:38 PM
Lol, wow smh. If u think in any way, shape, or form that he is a game changer u r beyond delusional.
Well then consider me (and the best head coach MU has had in 30 years) delusional.
It is like you don't even watch the games, just keep repeating the same thing over and over without regards to what actually happened. Join NERs. Click.
We all know the good and bad Derrick and little will change in those two areas this season. To me the biggest negative on Wilson falls in Buzz's lap. Wilson needs to play as many minutes as possible with the right guys. He cannot have too many minutes paired with Jake, CO and Juan. If there are multiple guys that can score on the court the bad Derrick is less exposed.
When folks come on here and trumpet Derrick's "good" games, most of those same games would be unacceptable for any truly good PG in the country. But it's not his fault that he is who he is -- a 10-15 mpg, defense-first backup. He works hard, he mostly plays good defense, he's helped us win a few games (including last night's, despite Ners saying we won despite him), he's played a pretty big negative role in some of our losses, and otherwise he's been barely passable.
We have a lot of very nice folks here who, even while saying Dawson hasn't earned more playing time, go out of their way to say they believe he will be a fine player. I'm assuming all of you actually mean that. But it's way too early to tell how good Dawson is going to be. Had Duane (ESPN's #13 PG; Scout's 4-star) been healthy, Dawson (#44; 3-star) might never have seen the court except for garbage time. That's certainly true had Vander returned. And next year, when Derrick is back, Duane is healthy and 4-star combo guard Sandy Cohen joins the team, we'll have to see where Dawson is on the depth chart.
I'm not saying Dawson won't be good. I'm saying I don't know ... and neither does anybody else -- including Buzz. Right now, his entire body of work is this: 1, he excelled in one game; and 2, he couldn't beat out Derrick in the eyes of the coach who sees both of them for several hours every single day.
Should Dawson have been given the chance to have more than one good game? Should he be starting over Derrick? I'm not here to state opinions; I'm trying to deal with the facts as we know them.
I think it's fairly safe to say that we'll need much better play from our PG next season if we are to avoid being the same kind of bubble team we are now. Whether that means Derrick is going to show us something he hasn't in three years (doubtful), Dawson is going to develop into a consistently good player (who knows?), Duane is the answer (we'll see) or some combination thereof ... well, that's a mystery today.
Quote from: brandx on February 12, 2014, 01:10:33 PM
Give it a rest. Why don't you PM ners and you two can out on a dinner date and hate on DW all nite.
No thanks for that suggestion, only made because you and the Sultan of Slurpery do it frequently to get your love woody on for Buzz and DW.
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 12, 2014, 12:16:58 PM
Somehow 1 game of Dawson playing well, in extended minutes, was enough for you to say he should get the majority minutes though. Pot -->Kettle.
Dawson will be a good player in time.
In fairness, Ners was pushing for Dawson
before the Gtown game.
You Scoop veterans just need to handle Ners with kid gloves.
I've found that beginning my argument with "We all agree that Derrick Wilson is not the ideal solution at point guard" acknowledges Ners' feelings as being accurate before kindly dismantling the rest of his logic.
He usually abandons the thread after that. It's also more enjoyable than just hitting the ignore button.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 12, 2014, 03:05:54 PM
No thanks for that suggestion, only made because you and the Sultan of Slurpery do it frequently to get your love woody on for Buzz and DW.
Yeah. I call him "average at best" and now I have a "love woody."
::)
Quote from: The Sultan of Serenity on February 12, 2014, 03:37:26 PM
Yeah. I call him "average at best" and now I have a "love woody."
::)
No pictures please.
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 12, 2014, 12:16:58 PM
Somehow 1 game of Dawson playing well, in extended minutes, was enough for you to say he should get the majority minutes though. Pot -->Kettle.
Dawson will be a good player in time.
Sorry Jesu - I've been saying it since Grambling game...Dawson needed a lot more minutes...and been consistent in that belief throughout the season. The belief is two fold: 1) I believe Dawson has a much higher ceiling than Derrick, and because Dawson can at least shoot FT's and 3 point shots somewhat effectively...he has to be guarded all over the floor thereby helping to make other players jobs easier. Dawson also sees the floor better than does Derrick..and has more natural PG skills.
2) The intensity of my argument increased as Derrick largely continued to put up the same type of numbers after 10 games - things weren't getting better - his numbers in the last 12 games are basically the same as the first 12 games. There's been little improvement.
I don't dispute Dawson had a really bad game last night - his worst one of the year - but, there have been about 15 duds Derrick has put up this season...maybe 19 if you grade somewhat difficult. Just love how you guys are so quick to rail on Dawson for 1 bad game....and use it as evidence it is so clear cut he doesn't deserve more PT...while Derrick puts up 15-20 clunkers...and he's all good. Ironic
Now, if this team were sitting say, 17-7...and looking solid...I'd have backed off the argument. But to trumpet such paltry production from a guy getting 29.7 minutes is ridiculous. I'd bet both of my nuts that if you gave Dawson 29 minutes per game...his numbers would exceed Derricks. We'll never know...probably will take till Dawson's Junior year, and Derrick out of the program for John to show his full ability....and I guarantee you it will be a hell of a lot more productive than what we've gotten from Derrick.
The overriding point of course is that Buzz has tried everything under the sun to try to make this team a winner....and none of the efforts have worked. Now, of course, he's finally giving Mayo what he's been due for a long time..that helps...but, he's been hell bent on Derrick getting 30....and is gonna ride it out with him for the year it looks like. And I'll stand by it...that continues...we will lose 3-4 of our remaining games...even with Mayo getting more PT he deserves.
Quote from: The Sultan of Serenity on February 12, 2014, 03:37:26 PM
Yeah. I call him "average at best" and now I have a "love woody."
::)
Now that we have determined your preference for performance standard "average at best", slurp away. By the way the reference also was toward Buzz. And sometimes "love woodies" are a good thing.
Quote from: Ners on February 12, 2014, 04:56:01 PM
Sorry Jesu - I've been saying it since Grambling game...Dawson needed a lot more minutes...and been consistent in that belief throughout the season. The belief is two fold: 1) I believe Dawson has a much higher ceiling than Derrick, and because Dawson can at least shoot FT's and 3 point shots somewhat effectively...he has to be guarded all over the floor thereby helping to make other players jobs easier. Dawson also sees the floor better than does Derrick..and has more natural PG skills.
2) The intensity of my argument increased as Derrick largely continued to put up the same type of numbers after 10 games - things weren't getting better - his numbers in the last 12 games are basically the same as the first 12 games. There's been little improvement.
I don't dispute Dawson had a really bad game last night - his worst one of the year - but, there have been about 15 duds Derrick has put up this season...maybe 19 if you grade somewhat difficult. Just love how you guys are so quick to rail on Dawson for 1 bad game....and use it as evidence it is so clear cut he doesn't deserve more PT...while Derrick puts up 15-20 clunkers...and he's all good. Ironic
Now, if this team were sitting say, 17-7...and looking solid...I'd have backed off the argument. But to trumpet such paltry production from a guy getting 29.7 minutes is ridiculous. I'd bet both of my nuts that if you gave Dawson 29 minutes per game...his numbers would exceed Derricks. We'll never know...probably will take till Dawson's Junior year, and Derrick out of the program for John to show his full ability....and I guarantee you it will be a hell of a lot more productive than what we've gotten from Derrick.
The overriding point of course is that Buzz has tried everything under the sun to try to make this team a winner....and none of the efforts have worked. Now, of course, he's finally giving Mayo what he's been due for a long time..that helps...but, he's been hell bent on Derrick getting 30....and is gonna ride it out with him for the year it looks like. And I'll stand by it...that continues...we will lose 3-4 of our remaining games...even with Mayo getting more PT he deserves.
No need to apologize. you've been consistent. The reason, I, personally, responded about the 1 extended game stuff is because, although you've been consistent about asking for Dawson to get more minutes since Grambling, you really started hammering home the "in the only game where he's gotten continuous extended minutes, he was great" argument after georgetown. If you're going to trumpet that as reason for Dawson getting "one game of 30 minutes", then you have to accept last night's game as the reason he shouldn't get one of those games. You can't, logically, focus on the one example that supports your argument, while ignoring the other. This has nothing to do with Derrick. If you use Georgetown as the reason Dawson should play more (his only extended minute game, he was good) then you have to accept that this as a reason he shouldn't play more. Nothing to do with Derrick. Nothing to do with ceiling or potential.
Quote from: Ners on February 12, 2014, 04:56:01 PM
Sorry Jesu - I've been saying it since Grambling game...Dawson needed a lot more minutes...and been consistent in that belief throughout the season. The belief is two fold: 1) I believe Dawson has a much higher ceiling than Derrick, and because Dawson can at least shoot FT's and 3 point shots somewhat effectively...he has to be guarded all over the floor thereby helping to make other players jobs easier. Dawson also sees the floor better than does Derrick..and has more natural PG skills.
2) The intensity of my argument increased as Derrick largely continued to put up the same type of numbers after 10 games - things weren't getting better - his numbers in the last 12 games are basically the same as the first 12 games. There's been little improvement.
I don't dispute Dawson had a really bad game last night - his worst one of the year - but, there have been about 15 duds Derrick has put up this season...maybe 19 if you grade somewhat difficult. Just love how you guys are so quick to rail on Dawson for 1 bad game....and use it as evidence it is so clear cut he doesn't deserve more PT...while Derrick puts up 15-20 clunkers...and he's all good. Ironic
Now, if this team were sitting say, 17-7...and looking solid...I'd have backed off the argument. But to trumpet such paltry production from a guy getting 29.7 minutes is ridiculous. I'd bet both of my nuts that if you gave Dawson 29 minutes per game...his numbers would exceed Derricks. We'll never know...probably will take till Dawson's Junior year, and Derrick out of the program for John to show his full ability....and I guarantee you it will be a hell of a lot more productive than what we've gotten from Derrick.
The overriding point of course is that Buzz has tried everything under the sun to try to make this team a winner....and none of the efforts have worked. Now, of course, he's finally giving Mayo what he's been due for a long time..that helps...but, he's been hell bent on Derrick getting 30....and is gonna ride it out with him for the year it looks like. And I'll stand by it...that continues...we will lose 3-4 of our remaining games...even with Mayo getting more PT he deserves.
Ners,
John Dawson does have a higher ceiling. He does shoot the ball better, he is more of a scoring threat, he does command defensive attention and he does make good decisions in the half court.
Just because someone has a higher ceiling doesn't mean an 18 year old kid is at that point either physically, mentally, confidence wise, basketball IQ, or any combination of the above mentioned reasons ready to reach that ceiling. It's called player development. It doesn't happen overnight. With some players there is a faster learning curve and some take time.
I think Derrick Wilson is a limited player. That said, John Dawson doesn't handle pressure defense as well as Wilson, he makes 'lazy' passes without emphasis, he needs to become a better defender and he needs more seasoning. It's simply due to the fact that he's playing for the first time against guys that are all as good or better than him and he needs to adjust his game to match that. It's not rocket science. He was probably the best kid on his HS team and now he's playing with guys who were all the best kid on their respected HS teams.
Should Buzz have played him more in non conference play along with Johnson and Burton? That's a worthy discussion but with SEVEN games to go it's a mute point and irrelevant.
This Marquette TEAM struggles for long stretches to score baskets. That is not just a Derrick Wilson problem. When a team struggles to fill the basket up like this team does, it cannot afford easy baskets or unforced turnovers. Does Derrick Wilson leave much to be desired? Yes. Does he have a more sure hand with the ball and plays better team defense? Yes. He's still our better option right now. That statement may say something larger about the makeup of this year's team but it's the truth.
At this point we have to trust he's going to hurt us les than he helps us and hope that J Wilson, Gardner and Mayo continue to bring it every night.
Quote from: mattyv1908 on February 12, 2014, 05:34:00 PM
Ners,
John Dawson does have a higher ceiling. He does shoot the ball better, he is more of a scoring threat, he does command defensive attention and he does make good decisions in the half court.
Just because someone has a higher ceiling doesn't mean an 18 year old kid is at that point either physically, mentally, confidence wise, basketball IQ, or any combination of the above mentioned reasons ready to reach that ceiling. It's called player development. It doesn't happen overnight. With some players there is a faster learning curve and some take time.
I think Derrick Wilson is a limited player. That said, John Dawson doesn't handle pressure defense as well as Wilson, he makes 'lazy' passes without emphasis, he needs to become a better defender and he needs more seasoning. It's simply due to the fact that he's playing for the first time against guys that are all as good or better than him and he needs to adjust his game to match that. It's not rocket science. He was probably the best kid on his HS team and now he's playing with guys who were all the best kid on their respected HS teams.
Should Buzz have played him more in non conference play along with Johnson and Burton? That's a worthy discussion but with SEVEN games to go it's a mute point and irrelevant.
This Marquette TEAM struggles for long stretches to score baskets. That is not just a Derrick Wilson problem. When a team struggles to fill the basket up like this team does, it cannot afford easy baskets or unforced turnovers. Does Derrick Wilson leave much to be desired? Yes. Does he have a more sure hand with the ball and plays better team defense? Yes. He's still our better option right now. That statement may say something larger about the makeup of this year's team but it's the truth.
At this point we have to trust he's going to hurt us les than he helps us and hope that J Wilson, Gardner and Mayo continue to bring it every night.
True statement at end...and all in all well said...and I can't disagree with a majority of what you wrote. I don't dispute Derrick being a better defender than John, and he is more secure with the ball..yet their turnover percentages per minute played really are not drastically different..believe Dawson would average 1.8 turns per 30 minutes and Derrick is averaging 1.4 turnovers per 30...
And as many of Derrick's supporters here have acknowledged - he is limited - where I just disagree is with how fast they are to dismiss what Dawson can/could bring...with such limited sample size of playing big minutes. He was BAD last night...it happens to every player...but...in my opinion...that was his one BAD game this year...that you could say he got a good stretch of run to get in a flow...and just performed really poorly. My point, is there have been many stretches of Derrick playing really poorly this season...and the team looking absolutely disjointed/awful.
Appreciate Derrick's play against Seton Hall. He played one of his best games. Although Dawson didn't play as well, his upside is much higher than Derrick's.
Quote from: River rat on February 12, 2014, 09:49:41 AM
This post in no way, shape, or form is intended to be a slight against young john Dawson. i like everything he has been in his 8 months at Marquette. Emphasis on the 8 months.
This post is intended to call out the lunacy from many on this board, most especially Ners, who has ripped Derrick and stated ad nauseum that Dawson need to be the PG going forward.
I will be the first one to say that Derrick Wlson will not be on the Mt. Rushmore of MU PG's and in fact wouldnt even be on the Mt. Rushmore of MU pg's in the last 10-15 years.
However, he is a junior, and while he may not have the upside of Mr. Dawson or the other Freshman the bottom line is Dawson is a Freshman.
Not matter how loud or no matter how many times Ners yells something, that doesnt make him correct. Derrick Wilson in 23 of 24 games has been the best Pg on the floor for MU.
Last night MU had 3 turrnovers hwne Derrick left the game in the first half. Mu was pounding SH. John dawson came in and struggled, as Freshman are proneto do. In fact our other freshman struggled last night too. 3 turnovers and 3 fouls later, Buzz had to do something, he went to Todd Mayo at PG , for the first time all year. That was a disaster, then he tried Jamil, similar results. The Half ends in a1 point game. 12 point lead gone! 3 Turnovers turned into 11!!
Second HAlf Derrick plays the whole half and the entire team has 2 turnovers. derrick has 0 for the game. In the entire 27 minutes that derrick played Mu had 5 turnovers. In the time that Derrick sat out in the first half MU had 8 to 3 for SH.,, the defense was weaker and the lead was blown. And I am not even touching on the perimeter defense that Derrick plays.
Then last night NErs, posts Derricks stats and says something to the effect that they were mediocre. What a joke. The kids a Warrior, and for all things that he is not. he is still by far our best option at the PG. And for 23-24 games this year its not really even debatable.
I think the debate for Dawson/Wilson has been over for some time. That is opinions on all sides will not change. I am fine with that. Consider that a good experience because you will be very frustrated in life if you believe people will change their opinion based on some magical logic. If some frustrate you I would suggest blocking their messages. That is what I do and it works for me. You may wish to start with blocking my messages.
Ners,
Nice follow up.
I think the board would agree with my next statement. Either a fan has given up on this season or they haven't yet. You're still watching the games which to me would indicate you still want them to win. If you still want them to win then I would tend to believe that you still think they can make the NCAAT.
We can second guess the rotations/playing time/freshman development early/etc. after the season. For the moment can we just remain hopeful that there's a quality stretch run in this team and be fans? We have the current roster as it sits right now. It is what it is.
Quote from: ElDonBDon on February 12, 2014, 03:13:41 PM
In fairness, Ners was pushing for Dawson before the Gtown game.
Ah yes, the
Magical Grambling performance.
Every guy on the team looked like a future HOFer in that game...because it was GRAMBLING!
Quote from: Ners on February 12, 2014, 04:56:01 PM
Sorry Jesu - I've been saying it since Grambling game...Dawson needed a lot more minutes...and been consistent in that belief throughout the season. The belief is two fold: 1) I believe Dawson has a much higher ceiling than Derrick, and because Dawson can at least shoot FT's and 3 point shots somewhat effectively...he has to be guarded all over the floor thereby helping to make other players jobs easier. Dawson also sees the floor better than does Derrick..and has more natural PG skills.
2) The intensity of my argument increased as Derrick largely continued to put up the same type of numbers after 10 games - things weren't getting better - his numbers in the last 12 games are basically the same as the first 12 games. There's been little improvement.
I don't dispute Dawson had a really bad game last night - his worst one of the year - but, there have been about 15 duds Derrick has put up this season...maybe 19 if you grade somewhat difficult. Just love how you guys are so quick to rail on Dawson for 1 bad game....and use it as evidence it is so clear cut he doesn't deserve more PT...while Derrick puts up 15-20 clunkers...and he's all good. Ironic
Now, if this team were sitting say, 17-7...and looking solid...I'd have backed off the argument. But to trumpet such paltry production from a guy getting 29.7 minutes is ridiculous. I'd bet both of my nuts that if you gave Dawson 29 minutes per game...his numbers would exceed Derricks. We'll never know...probably will take till Dawson's Junior year, and Derrick out of the program for John to show his full ability....and I guarantee you it will be a hell of a lot more productive than what we've gotten from Derrick.
The overriding point of course is that Buzz has tried everything under the sun to try to make this team a winner....and none of the efforts have worked. Now, of course, he's finally giving Mayo what he's been due for a long time..that helps...but, he's been hell bent on Derrick getting 30....and is gonna ride it out with him for the year it looks like. And I'll stand by it...that continues...we will lose 3-4 of our remaining games...even with Mayo getting more PT he deserves.
Ners did you think Dawson deserved more minutes last night against SHU. Do you think his struggles were because he only got a 9 minute consecutive stretch and really needed more than that to get "warmed up"?
Quote from: River rat on February 12, 2014, 10:23:28 PM
Ners did you think Dawson deserved more minutes last night against SHU. Do you think his struggles were because he only got a 9 minute consecutive stretch and really needed more than that to get "warmed up"?
No, don't feel Dawson "earned" more minutes after his poor showing in the first half against Seton Hall. Yet, considering Derrick has gotten TONS more minutes after many similarly brutal 9 minute stretches (and not even pulled) this season....Buzz has definitely set a precedent that more minutes can be gotten even if on court game performance is poor.
Question for you - Did you think we'd be an NIT team this year?
Ners could you please point me to the game where Derrick came in for 9 minutes had 3 turnovers, 3 fouls and was horrendous on defense and the team blew a 12 point lead. You stated Derrick has had similar stretches , yet Buzz afforded him the opportunity to stay in. Please give me which game you are refferring to.
thx in advance
Quote from: River rat on February 13, 2014, 10:09:47 AM
Ners could you please point me to the game where Derrick came in for 9 minutes had 3 turnovers, 3 fouls and was horrendous on defense and the team blew a 12 point lead. You stated Derrick has had similar stretches , yet Buzz afforded him the opportunity to stay in. Please give me which game you are refferring to.
thx in advance
To be fair, MU actually increased its lead when Dawson was playing. They blew the lead when they took Dawson out and tried to run Jamil at point.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 12, 2014, 01:05:06 PM
Candelino-yes. Hell, Berkowitz and Bell weren't in the program long enough to qualify. Chapman was better than Derrick, and could shoot. Marcus Jackson was a better soccer player.
I don't think you remember how bad we were during those years at the point. We had to use Marcus Jackson because he was the least likely to turn the ball over going up the court. Teams would press us and we would consistently turn it over. Chapman was slow, was a streaky shooter and not an effective PG. His Junior season he averaged 8.1 points, 1.16 assists and 1.84 turnovers. His Senior season he aveeraged 6.0 pnts, 1.45 assists, and .58 turnovers.
Playing in conference usa was not the equivalent of the Big East either.
Young Dawson will be alright ..... He can hold his own ..... Just has to get use to teams playing man when he's in cause if they play zone with him in (ask Georgetown ) it's a no brainier ..... But he's learning from Derrick and the other vets
Quote from: River rat on February 13, 2014, 10:09:47 AM
Ners could you please point me to the game where Derrick came in for 9 minutes had 3 turnovers, 3 fouls and was horrendous on defense and the team blew a 12 point lead. You stated Derrick has had similar stretches , yet Buzz afforded him the opportunity to stay in. Please give me which game you are refferring to.
thx in advance
As pointed out to you, you have your stats wrong about the lead situation when Derrick went out/Dawson went in..in Seton Hall. The irony is that the "lead" in the Seton Hall was 6 when Derrick went out in first half..and that came on the heels of Jamil Wilson going 4-4 from field and 3-3 from 3pt line..how lead was built. "Lead" grew by 2 with Dawson in game for the next 8 minutes...EVEN WITH DAWSON'S AWFUL STRETCH OF 3 TURNOVERS AND 3 FOULS...AND WITH JAMIL NOT BEING EN FUEGO - the teams STILL managed to grow a lead. Points to how much Dawson's presence on floor can help other guys...even though Dawson was totally awful!! That's the point..his presence helps the other 4 guys on court...
As for Derrick's poor 9 minute stretches - I said similar, NOT exact, 9 minutes of 3 fouls and 3 turnovers....but...you can look at both Butler games and find stints of 7 minutes with 2 turnovers, and 2 fouls...and there have been so many empty stretches of 9 minutes where Derrick doesn't even show up in a play by play sheet...beyond perhaps 1 rebound, 1 assist...and usually a missed shot/FT.
Derrick is the quintessential back up caliber PG at this level. If Buzz bit the bullet earlier in the year and gave Dawson a consistent 20...and then upped to 30 by conference...I can assure you Dawson's numbers would be NO worse than Derricks...definitely not at FT line, or 3 pt line...and probably similar from Field. Of course, we'd give up some on the defensive end...yet I doubt what we give up on the defensive end with Dawson is more, than what his ability on offensive end and ability to shoot 3pt shot...would do for opening things up for his 4 teammates, that are bogged down with Derrick at PG.
Quote from: Ners on February 13, 2014, 02:15:30 PM
As pointed out to you, you have your stats wrong about the lead situation when Derrick went out/Dawson went in..in Seton Hall. The irony is that the "lead" in the Seton Hall was 6 when Derrick went out in first half..and that came on the heels of Jamil Wilson going 4-4 from field and 3-3 from 3pt line..how lead was built. "Lead" grew by 2 with Dawson in game for the next 8 minutes...EVEN WITH DAWSON'S AWFUL STRETCH OF 3 TURNOVERS AND 3 FOULS...AND WITH JAMIL NOT BEING EN FUEGO - the teams STILL managed to grow a lead. Points to how much Dawson's presence on floor can help other guys...even though Dawson was totally awful!! That's the point..his presence helps the other 4 guys on court...
I "signed" the NEP but, honestly, how can someone not find this paragraph to be unintentional hilarity at its finest! I mean, Derrick being on the floor had nothing to do with the team playing well but the mere presence of John Dawson and his awful play made the team better.
I had him on ignore for a while, is Ners parodying himself?
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on February 13, 2014, 03:36:52 PM
I "signed" the NEP but, honestly, how can someone not find this paragraph to be unintentional hilarity at its finest! I mean, Derrick being on the floor had nothing to do with the team playing well but the mere presence of John Dawson and his awful play made the team better.
I had him on ignore for a while, is Ners parodying himself?
Ners is the guy who buys drinks for alcoholics. So stay strong Merritts!!! We are here for you if you need to talk about it. The NEP will be over in a matter of weeks.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on February 13, 2014, 03:36:52 PM
I "signed" the NEP but, honestly, how can someone not find this paragraph to be unintentional hilarity at its finest! I mean, Derrick being on the floor had nothing to do with the team playing well but the mere presence of John Dawson and his awful play made the team better.
I had him on ignore for a while, is Ners parodying himself?
LOL - It isn't really that hard of concept to wrap your head around Merritt...as awful as Dawson was...the team was still able to grow a lead with him committing 3 turnovers and 3 fouls in the 8 minute stretch...and this takes into account our elite defender (Derrick) was on the bench and we were subject to Dawson's liabilities as a defender...and not to mention the liability he was offensively against Seton Hall with the turnovers....yet the team still grew the lead with him in the game...and the en fuego Jamil sat out some of that stretch??!
What's your take on why Derrick had ZERO assists in the 2nd half in 20 minutes of action against Hall?? How can a guy be such an amazing playmaker to rack up 5 assists in the first 7 minutes of a game...and then not get 1 more the remaining 20 minutes?? Remarkable, isn't it?!
I know you feel I grasp at straws to support Dawson...but you..and your far flung grasping for straws to try to champion Derrick? Cmon man! I mean the fact he shot 3-4 from FT line against Hall is cause for celebration??!! Of course it is, because the bar is set so low...Go look at the Paint Touches article and pictures if you need a little more perspective.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on February 13, 2014, 03:36:52 PM
I "signed" the NEP but, honestly, how can someone not find this paragraph to be unintentional hilarity at its finest! I mean, Derrick being on the floor had nothing to do with the team playing well but the mere presence of John Dawson and his awful play made the team better.
I had him on ignore for a while, is Ners parodying himself?
Just when you were about to earn your one week chip. It's ok Merritt, we all backslide sometimes. Stay strong
Quote from: chris006 on February 13, 2014, 11:46:48 AM
I don't think you remember how bad we were during those years at the point. We had to use Marcus Jackson because he was the least likely to turn the ball over going up the court. Teams would press us and we would consistently turn it over. Chapman was slow, was a streaky shooter and not an effective PG. His Junior season he averaged 8.1 points, 1.16 assists and 1.84 turnovers. His Senior season he aveeraged 6.0 pnts, 1.45 assists, and .58 turnovers.
Playing in conference usa was not the equivalent of the Big East either.
One big difference everyone seems to forget while ripping Chapman and Jackson is that neither was brought here to play PG and both started at different positions. Jackson was our starting center and Chapman was a 2/3 that was forced to play PG. Completely different than Derrick who was recruited as a point guard.
Quote from: chris006 on February 13, 2014, 11:46:48 AM
I don't think you remember how bad we were during those years at the point. We had to use Marcus Jackson because he was the least likely to turn the ball over going up the court. Teams would press us and we would consistently turn it over. Chapman was slow, was a streaky shooter and not an effective PG. His Junior season he averaged 8.1 points, 1.16 assists and 1.84 turnovers. His Senior season he aveeraged 6.0 pnts, 1.45 assists, and .58 turnovers.
Playing in conference usa was not the equivalent of the Big East either.
What are you talking about on Joe Chapman? He was a hell of a lot better than Derrick. Played on a Final 4 team. Much better shooter.
I appreciate the support, Sultan and TAMU. I'll get through this.
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Quote from: mattyv1908 on February 12, 2014, 06:57:44 PM
Ners,
Nice follow up.
I think the board would agree with my next statement. Either a fan has given up on this season or they haven't yet. You're still watching the games which to me would indicate you still want them to win. If you still want them to win then I would tend to believe that you still think they can make the NCAAT.
We can second guess the rotations/playing time/freshman development early/etc. after the season. For the moment can we just remain hopeful that there's a quality stretch run in this team and be fans? We have the current roster as it sits right now. It is what it is.
Not trying to crush Ners here, Lord knows he is getting it from a lot of corners, but he could be watching the games to see if there is a change in performance of Dawson and Derrick to scream at his detractors, "SEE, I TOLD YOU SO!" After all just about everybody on this board longs to be able to say that to their detractors.
Quote from: dddawson on February 13, 2014, 02:00:31 PM
Young Dawson will be alright ..... He can hold his own ..... Just has to get use to teams playing man when he's in cause if they play zone with him in (ask Georgetown ) it's a no brainier ..... But he's learning from Derrick and the other vets
I think the MU fanbase as a whole loves John Dawson. There is a lot to like. As Al said, "the best thing about Freshman is they become Sophomores".
I have followed Mu BBall for 38 years. I can count on one hand the number of Freshman that suited up for Mu as Freshman and did not have their struggles. I can count on many fingers, toes, and more those that had years similar Freshman seasons to those of JJJ, Deonte, and John, and proceeded to have long professional careers.
A few examples of that are Amal McCaskill, Tony Smith, and Chris Crawford. look at their career progression. I can tell you firsthand that those three were hard to watch as Freshman, in fact all three had far poorer years than our three Freshman are having this year. Fans cringed and covered their eyes when they went in.
Bottom line they busted their asses for 4 years kept their noses clean and took advantage of the opportunity and developed into tremendous players. Its a process and I hope those three dont get discouraged. They only need to look at those three guys and dozens of others to see the process. In fact i hope those three are dreaming and working for really big things for their Junior and Senior seasons. The sky is truly the limit for them, if they trust in Buzz conference titles and deep tourney runs are in their future. Those 3 and Duane are that good.
Quote from: River rat on February 14, 2014, 01:34:40 PM
I think the MU fanbase as a whole loves John Dawson. There is a lot to like. As Al said, "the best thing about Freshman is they become Sophomores".
I have followed Mu BBall for 38 years. I can count on one hand the number of Freshman that suited up for Mu as Freshman and did not have their struggles. I can count on many fingers, toes, and more those that had years similar Freshman seasons to those of JJJ, Deonte, and John, and proceeded to have long professional careers.
A few examples of that are Amal McCaskill, Tony Smith, and Chris Crawford. look at their career progression. I can tell you firsthand that those three were hard to watch as Freshman, in fact all three had far poorer years than our three Freshman are having this year. Fans cringed and covered their eyes when they went in.
Bottom line they busted their asses for 4 years kept their noses clean and took advantage of the opportunity and developed into tremendous players. Its a process and I hope those three dont get discouraged. They only need to look at those three guys and dozens of others to see the process. In fact i hope those three are dreaming and working for really big things for their Junior and Senior seasons. The sky is truly the limit for them, if they trust in Buzz conference titles and deep tourney runs are in their future. Those 3 and Duane are that good.
And Luke....I think you could throw him in that mix as well.
I do not have a single complaint about Dawson. He has done all that can be asked of a freshman. He has worked hard, he has kept his nose clean, he has learned, he has progressed. He has assumed the role Derrick had last year, as an 8 minute a game back up PG with a few bursts of really good play. I look forward to watching him the rest of this year and the next 3. It is in no way, shape, or form meant as a criticism to say that I simply don't believe he is ready to play starters minutes at the point yet.
Man, you go away for a month and all of this belching and farting is still going on.
So, what is the bottom line: Derrick or Dawson?
Quote from: keefe on February 14, 2014, 04:36:18 PM
Man, you go away for a month and all of this belching and farting is still going on.
So, what is the bottom line: Derrick or Dawson?
Bottom Line: Whatever Buzz dictates. In Buzz we trust.