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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Coleman on February 08, 2014, 02:11:17 PM
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Not that I wouldn't still want him at MU. Might even be good for MU in the long run as it gets us to the next level of recruiting the more guys we put in the NBA.
But I am just curious what everyone thinks. 1 and done? 2 and done?
I know there is a separate thread on Stone, but this is more specific to how long people think he will play college ball
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No way to tell until he steps on the court.
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No way to tell until he steps on the court.
I agree with this. Heck, Embiid was quoted saying that at the start of the year, he considered a redshirt. It's so tough to tell with big guys.
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FYI from Mark Miller:
@WisBBYearbook: With Roy Williams in the crowd, Dominican junior Diamond Stone drops 34 in a 50-47 win at Racine St. Catherine's.
Q: when did a recruit pick us over an offer from UNC?
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Seen him a couple of times over the past several seasons. Haven't been all that impressed. Seems to have a questionable attitude. Obviously everyone wants him at MU, because of the potential. But he does take plays off, doesn't hustle and doesn't seem to have the best coaching. I would highly doubt he would be one and done. Unless he doesn't like college and the wrong people are in his ear. Seems to have a good support system, so the attitude is a little strange. Perhaps he will mature over the next year and a half, I believe he is young for his class. Everyone wants him, just afraid he may be a bit overhyped and his attitude concerns me. For those that get irritated with Davante's on court attitude, Diamond's is worse IMO.
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I saw Stone play last night and agree about the attitude issues. But a talent like Diamond doesn't come through town every day. Buzz should be able to turn him into a tough nosed player.
I haven't watched a ton of high school basketball, so I don't know if this is true across the board for superstars, but the entire Dominican offense ran through Stone. In the first half, the offense was either a) get it to DS inside or b) shoot the 3. When Dominican was down at the end of the first and beginning of the second, it just became "get DS the ball AND have him shoot the three." It probably doesn't help that the Dominican coach is just a kid (he looked early 30s).
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Seen him a couple of times over the past several seasons. Haven't been all that impressed. Seems to have a questionable attitude. Obviously everyone wants him at MU, because of the potential. But he does take plays off, doesn't hustle and doesn't seem to have the best coaching. I would highly doubt he would be one and done. Unless he doesn't like college and the wrong people are in his ear. Seems to have a good support system, so the attitude is a little strange. Perhaps he will mature over the next year and a half, I believe he is young for his class. Everyone wants him, just afraid he may be a bit overhyped and his attitude concerns me. For those that get irritated with Davante's on court attitude, Diamond's is worse IMO.
This is dead on. I thought D Stone seemed more engaged/better player his Freshman year that he does now. Without the attitude change--no way is he one and done, IMO.
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I saw Stone play last night and agree about the attitude issues. But a talent like Diamond doesn't come through town every day. Buzz should be able to turn him into a tough nosed player.
Like Jamil and Davante?
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Good job trashing a player by all the top level talent scouts here. Glad you're not recruiting for MU.
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This is dead on. I thought D Stone seemed more engaged/better player his Freshman year that he does now. Without the attitude change--no way is he one and done, IMO.
He had a real coach his freshman year. Good kid, good family.
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He had a real coach his freshman year. Good kid, good family.
+1 on the good coach his freshman year, that was a shame what happened at Domincan.
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Good job trashing a player by all the top level talent scouts here. Glad you're not recruiting for MU.
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Right because we aren't allowed to make honest assessments, I forgot.
He has great potential, and I will be thrilled if we land him, I just question his ability to meet that potential with his current attitude. Like I said maybe he grows up a little bit and this isn't even an issue when he arrives at MU.
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The dude is 17. Everyone has an attitude at that age. I'm not concerned. Go for the best talent, Buzz can take care of the rest
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Question for you Wisconsin scoopers out there. Stone is 6ft 10, 260 lbs. and is obviously a talented player. Do other high schools that he plays against have players with any size matching Stone's? I would imagine not, and he should just dominate games.
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2 years max. I'd be thrilled with just 1. The pieces will be in place for a title run his frosh & potential soph year if he decides on MU. That would likely be the case at any of the blue bloods courting him as well. However, we have something to offer in addition that none of the others do in that it would be nice to have his family along for the ride the whole way. Hope he sees it that way too.
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I guess, by how he handled himself with Ellenson, Diamond is going to be solid.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/preps/henry-ellenson-and-rice-lake-topple-diamond-stone-and-dominican-b99172987z1-237777531.html
However, facing a player who has at least 3 years in D1 is a huge difference.
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FYI from Mark Miller:
@WisBBYearbook: With Roy Williams in the crowd, Dominican junior Diamond Stone drops 34 in a 50-47 win at Racine St. Catherine's.
Q: when did a recruit pick us over an offer from UNC?
We cannot compete with the weather and the fictional classes he will get credit for there.
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Scout and Rivals both say that NC hasn't offered yet.......not sure if those are up to date or not but I haven't read about an offer from UNC, Duke or Kentucky yet. I could have missed it....
As far as playing against other bigs.....in high school most of the people he plays against are smaller but he has gone to toe with other elite bigs in AAU and USA basketball and done very well.
Impossible to tell if he will be an early entry kind of guy..........6'10 250 a good but not elite level athlete.
I saw Demarcus Cousins play in high school and I can't say that Stone is at that level yet but he does have another year so......
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FYI from Mark Miller:
@WisBBYearbook: With Roy Williams in the crowd, Dominican junior Diamond Stone drops 34 in a 50-47 win at Racine St. Catherine's.
Q: when did a recruit pick us over an offer from UNC?
Not ever that I can think of. It will be sweet to get that finally on the books should it happen, and it definitely could.
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Seen him a couple of times over the past several seasons. Haven't been all that impressed. Seems to have a questionable attitude. Obviously everyone wants him at MU, because of the potential. But he does take plays off, doesn't hustle and doesn't seem to have the best coaching. I would highly doubt he would be one and done. Unless he doesn't like college and the wrong people are in his ear. Seems to have a good support system, so the attitude is a little strange. Perhaps he will mature over the next year and a half, I believe he is young for his class. Everyone wants him, just afraid he may be a bit overhyped and his attitude concerns me. For those that get irritated with Davante's on court attitude, Diamond's is worse IMO.
I'm sure that he is just feigning a NBA attitude so that the invites from USA Basketball will keep coming.
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Like Jamil and Davante?
You forgot Otule
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Question for you Wisconsin scoopers out there. Stone is 6ft 10, 260 lbs. and is obviously a talented player. Do other high schools that he plays against have players with any size matching Stone's? I would imagine not, and he should just dominate games.
In last nights game, Stone had 3-4 inches on every other player. St. Cat's center couldn't do anything except try to deny the entry pass. Stone had at least 4 or 5 blocks to boot.
If Stone was playing in a big public school league he'd see more height, but the other teams in the conference are all small private schools.
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It's not easy to be a 1-and-done under a coach who never plays freshmen.
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Question for you Wisconsin scoopers out there. Stone is 6ft 10, 260 lbs. and is obviously a talented player. Do other high schools that he plays against have players with any size matching Stone's? I would imagine not, and he should just dominate games.
As other eluded to, he does play against talented bigs in elite camps, AAU, etc. Dominican is a D4 private school which does play against some D1 programs,etc. (Germantown) but in conference and the state tourney they play against similar enrollment--which means very small school kids from country roads in Sconnie.
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Greek Freak's bro starts Dominican on Monday. Won't be playin' hoops 'til next season. GA says his 6'6" kin will be better than his own self.
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As other eluded to, he does play against talented bigs in elite camps, AAU, etc. Dominican is a D4 private school which does play against some D1 programs,etc. (Germantown) but in conference and the state tourney they play against similar enrollment--which means very small school kids from country roads in Sconnie.
And other urban Catholic schools....
Honestly it's a decent level of competition. Lots of talent at the likes of Racine St. Cats, Kenosha St. Joes, Pius IX, etc.
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They don't play Pius.
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And other urban Catholic schools....
Honestly it's a decent level of competition. Lots of talent at the likes of Racine St. Cats, Kenosha St. Joes, Pius IX, etc.
Their conference is terrible. St. Catherine's might be the best other team, but they generally win their conference games by 15-20 points.
Stone lives in Tosa. He went to Dominican to play for Paul Wollersheim, who was fired after arrested for sexual assault. (They declined to press charges, but he resigned.) And now he's playing for a coach who clearly isn't as good, at a level that is clearly beneath him.
Perhaps he should have stayed at Tosa East to play D1 ball? (They aren't very good either.) Who knows what his decision would be if he had it over.
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Diamond will go downas one of the 5 best centers to have ever played in Wisconsin and I don't agree at all with the attitude comments.
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Diamond will go downas one of the 5 best centers to have ever played in Wisconsin and I don't agree at all with the attitude comments.
I completely agree with this as well.
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Greek Freak's bro starts Dominican on Monday. Won't be playin' hoops 'til next season. GA says his 6'6" kin will be better than his own self.
What year will little Greek freak be?
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What year will little Greek freak be?
He'll be in the class of 2016
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So we have a thread bashing a top 10 recruit seriously considering MU? What is wrong with you people? And where are the moderators? Anything in the name of 'free speech' I guess. What a crock.
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So we have a thread bashing a top 10 recruit seriously considering MU? What is wrong with you people? And where are the moderators? Anything in the name of 'free speech' I guess. What a crock.
This is bashing?
Troll.
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Scout and Rivals both say that NC hasn't offered yet.......not sure if those are up to date or not but I haven't read about an offer from UNC, Duke or Kentucky yet. I could have missed it....
As far as playing against other bigs.....in high school most of the people he plays against are smaller but he has gone to toe with other elite bigs in AAU and USA basketball and done very well.
Impossible to tell if he will be an early entry kind of guy..........6'10 250 a good but not elite level athlete.
I saw Demarcus Cousins play in high school and I can't say that Stone is at that level yet but he does have another year so......
Then again, Cousins is the premier offensive center in the NBA and no one else is even close.
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Not to put too fine a point on it, but anybody criticizing the theoretical attitude and theoretical work habits of a high school junior who is considering MU from their keyboard is a moron.
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Not to put too fine a point on it, but anybody criticizing the theoretical attitude and theoretical work habits of a high school junior who is considering MU from their keyboard is a moron.
+1000
He's down low with 2 and 3 guys on him every play. If he went outside to get the ball and shoot, the same "experts" would be saying he is a ball hog just interested in his own stats.
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I doubt he will be a one year player. Dakari Johnson has a similar build and is struggling this year. He's averaging 5 & 3 in about 11 minutes. He gets into foul trouble and isn't ready offensively. And he played against some of the best competition in the country in high school and AAU.
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Diamond will go downas one of the 5 best centers to have ever played in Wisconsin and I don't agree at all with the attitude comments.
jim chones, joe wolf, kurt nimphius, luke fischer, keaton nankivil, kurt portmann, brian butch...we're talking high school right-i'm not taking into consideration how well or not they did post high school. so diamond's got to fit somewhere around these 7 that i've found? hard to say as i haven't run any numbers or compared wins, losses or titles/team ranks. i may have overlooked some? i welcome any additions to this list without changing the post or moving it to the superbar that is. maybe it would make a good subject all on it's own...
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This is bashing?
Troll.
However you want to characterize it, seems ill-advised at minimum.
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jim chones, joe wolf, kurt nimphius, luke fischer, keaton nankivil, kurt portmann, brian butch...we're talking high school right-i'm not taking into consideration how well or not they did post high school. so diamond's got to fit somewhere around these 7 that i've found? hard to say as i haven't run any numbers or compared wins, losses or titles/team ranks. i may have overlooked some? i welcome any additions to this list without changing the post or moving it to the superbar that is. maybe it would make a good subject all on it's own...
John Rushing was also as good in HS as anyone on the list other than maybe Chones.
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So we have a thread bashing a top 10 recruit seriously considering MU? What is wrong with you people? And where are the moderators? Anything in the name of 'free speech' I guess. What a crock.
Sack up, sally. Three people mentioned Stone's attitude -- one of whom seemed to point more towards not being engaged -- and more then three people talked about how great Stone is and will likely go down as one of the best in the history of Wisconsin. If this is a "bashing", you must reside in a pillow-lined house.
By the way, considering some of the issues with the present incarnation of MU basketball it's no shock there are fans out there with concerns over attitude, body language, and engagement from the player.
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However you want to characterize it, seems ill-advised at minimum.
If stone and/or his family have been reading this web site, they've seen a ton of material on him.
98.3% of what is written about him is über good. Every now and then, there are comments about how he mails it in on some plays. There was a thread about a month ago about Stone and Ellenson both having mediocre games against each other. No big deal.
My point is that stone was not being "bashed". I get your point that fans should be aware that recruits read this stuff.
I'm sure that stone and family read the thread about Buzz's Bunch. All they need to do is read the badger blog response to that story. Enough said.
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Keefe needs to chime in with a reference to Sly and the Family Stone, aina?
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Keefe needs to chime in with a reference to Sly and the Family Stone, aina?
They must not have 'lectricity in Honduras and/or the interweb.
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I hope Stone comes to MU (obviously) and that he is good enough to be a legitimate 1-and-done.
By legitimate, I mean not somebody who merely thinks he is a 1-and-done, leaves early, gets drafted late (or not at all) and messes up his life.
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Stone and Ellenson were both at the Badger game today. Third time for Stone this year.
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Stone and Ellenson were both at the Badger game today. Third time for Stone this year.
So?? Leabe to the Vag to come here and try to stir up crap. Do you even know how many MU games he's been to?? Or that Stone's dad was so into an MU game recently he was up cheering like a 30 year old season ticket holder??
Now run along....and enjoy your sucky ass win today. MSU at full strength blows you out of the Kohl hole. FACT. Just like you got to play Florida's JV team earlier this year. Badgers only get MSU at home. Why does it seem that most years UW gets all the top teams only once, and at home??
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Stone and Ellenson were both at the Badger game today. Third time for Stone this year.
We're still in it because some Badger posters were dumb enough to admit that Buzz's work with disadvantaged kids indicates that he has "some" good in him.
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If stone and/or his family have been reading this web site, they've seen a ton of material on him.
98.3% of what is written about him is über good. Every now and then, there are comments about how he mails it in on some plays. There was a thread about a month ago about Stone and Ellenson both having mediocre games against each other. No big deal.
My point is that stone was not being "bashed". I get your point that fans should be aware that recruits read this stuff.
I'm sure that stone and family read the thread about Buzz's Bunch. All they need to do is read the badger blog response to that story. Enough said.
I have absolutely no problem with a critique (good or bad) over how he played in a game.
When the discussion turns to the attitude of a high school kid (only a junior) that none of you have ever met or talked to - that is pathetic. Maybe you all can hold him to the same standards as you would an adult, but you are clueless if doing so.
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We're still in it because some Badger posters were dumb enough to admit that Buzz's work with disadvantaged kids indicates that he has "some" good in him.
I just don't see how he fits In with Bucky. Plus Hayes will be their for 4 years which actually helps us IMHO
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They must not have 'lectricity in Honduras and/or the interweb.
Been there many times and you don't know how close to the truth that statement is.
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Sack up, sally. Three people mentioned Stone's attitude -- one of whom seemed to point more towards not being engaged -- and more then three people talked about how great Stone is and will likely go down as one of the best in the history of Wisconsin. If this is a "bashing", you must reside in a pillow-lined house.
By the way, considering some of the issues with the present incarnation of MU basketball it's no shock there are fans out there with concerns over attitude, body language, and engagement from the player.
Is sack up Sally directed at me? I can take it. I'm an adult. Is it directed outward a towards potential recruits and their families who read this message board? If so, that's a sad and selfish attitude.
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Is sack up Sally directed at me? I can take it. I'm an adult. Is it directed outward a towards potential recruits and their families who read this message board? If so, that's a sad and selfish attitude.
+1
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Are you a Badger troll too?
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Are you a Badger troll too?
I'm no badger troll, I just hate the arrogance and stupidity on this board. The lack of supervision and discretion can only harm, not help, MUs interests.
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I'm no badger troll, I just hate the arrogance and stupidity on this board. The lack of supervision and discretion can only harm, not help, MUs interests.
The free wheeling attitudes of some of the posters on this board have cost us a recruit in the past. We have another player's father who posts here regularly.
People just need to keep that in mind.
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Words have consequences.
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I am not much of a rabble-rouser here. But even if I were, the fact that a recruit or a player's father might read my words wouldn't make me change one thing about what I'd post on MUScoop.
If a kid bases anything on words written by a bunch of anonymous fans, he's not mentally strong enough to play college hoops at the highest level.
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I am not much of a rabble-rouser here. But even if I were, the fact that a recruit or a player's father might read my words wouldn't make me change one thing about what I'd post on MUScoop.
If a kid bases anything on words written by a bunch of anonymous fans, he's not mentally strong enough to play college hoops at the highest level.
I sort of see both sides to this, and I think the answer is somewhere in the middle.
Is legitimate, basketball play related criticism and analysis appropriate? Sure. Observations on attitude included. If it's nothing an ESPN recruiting analyst wouldn't also say, fine with me. I haven't seen anything in this specific thread that I would say goes too far.
Where it crosses the line is when people sink to personal attacks, calling these kids names, making ridiculous statements like "X is the worst player in MU history" (that was said on Scoop this season), or when people constantly derail threads to constantly put down the same player over and over.
I am not in favor of censorship, just a little common sense. Don't say anything you wouldn't attach your real name to.
All that said, it's fair to say every single person on Scoop would be thrilled if Stone came to MU.
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I am not much of a rabble-rouser here. But even if I were, the fact that a recruit or a player's father might read my words wouldn't make me change one thing about what I'd post on MUScoop.
If a kid bases anything on words written by a bunch of anonymous fans, he's not mentally strong enough to play college hoops at the highest level.
Kinda sounds like the badger fans upset after Vander Blue called them out for spouting nonsense on message boards.
Even if you are skeptical of the effect, why take the risk if you care about MU?
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Kinda sounds like the badger fans upset after Vander Blue called them out for spouting nonsense on message boards.
Even if you are skeptical of the effect, why take the risk if you care about MU?
I have been accused of many, many things in my life, but never anything as heinous as sounding, acting or smelling like a Badger fan!
I care about MU as much as any person who comments here. I do not think expressing one's freedom of speech is a risk. I think censorship, however, is a major risk.
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I don't think censorship is the answer. I think that contemplating what you have written and pondering its possible affects is a good idea. "Would you say it to their face" is a safe guideline. I try to follow that one. Admittedly, I screw it up. But until you have seen your name in print and ignoramuses spouting utter falsehoods about you and situations they know nothing about (yes, it has happened to me), you don't really understand the impact.
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I've said this before, but what we write on our message board is a more direct reflection on our school than many other college teams' message boards. Smaller private schools have a much higher percentage of fans that are alumni, especially compared to places like state schools. Plus, there aren't as many sources out there for MU info (newspaper coverage sucks, etc.), so people end up here or the other boards if they're curious about MU and looking for info. The amount of crap being posted here has increased significantly this year, and I wish everyone would try to think about how they're representing our school a little more before hitting the Post button.
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I don't think censorship is the answer. I think that contemplating what you have written and pondering its possible affects is a good idea. "Would you say it to their face" is a safe guideline. I try to follow that one. Admittedly, I screw it up. But until you have seen your name in print and ignoramuses spouting utter falsehoods about you and situations they know nothing about (yes, it has happened to me), you don't really understand the impact.
I have never once come on here and said "so-and-so sucks" or "so-and-so is worthless crap," or anything like that. I have said, "so-and-so simply is not good enough to play Position X for a high major." If that is the kind of outrageous slur that would convince a current player to quit, convince a recruit to go elsewhere or reflect poorly on the university, well, these easily offended folks either need to stay away from Internet chat sites or grow thicker skin.
The minute this or any site starts legislating against something as benign as "Buzz has to do a better job of recruiting guards better than so-and-so" is the minute this site isn't worth visiting at all.
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MU82, I am not singling you out. I honestly cannot remember anything that you have posted that struck me as inappropriate. I am speaking more to the communal 'you'. And there is a huge difference between saying (Player X) doesn't shoot/jump/run the floor/defend/rebound well/ shows bad body language on the floor, etc. and some of the more extreme thing that have been written here this year. Litehouse is right. The extreme, vicious negative reflects poorly on us all and MU as a whole since the vast majority of us are alum. So, say what you want, but think about what you say.
To bring it home, contemplate what a few badger fans said about Wes's mother. Think about what a few badger fans said about Buzz's bunch. Does it reflect the entire badger nation? Of course not. Is it what all of us think of when we think of badger fans? Hell, yes. If we (communal we) truly believe we are superior to them, don't we have an obligation to show it through our words and actions and not just our attitude?
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Curious nervous nelly question.
Will Wisconsins Win yesterday influence Stone in any way. It seems like he has seen us lose every game this year, and he has seen them win every time this year. Does this play into anything?
Secondly: How does Diamond react to the Marquette team when he is attendance? Is he cheering, or does he try to play it cool?
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Curious nervous nelly question.
Will Wisconsins Win yesterday influence Stone in any way. It seems like he has seen us lose every game this year, and he has seen them win every time this year. Does this play into anything?
Secondly: How does Diamond react to the Marquette team when he is attendance? Is he cheering, or does he try to play it cool?
Stone saw Bucky choke one up against Northwestern last week.
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Curious nervous nelly question.
Will Wisconsins Win yesterday influence Stone in any way. It seems like he has seen us lose every game this year, and he has seen them win every time this year. Does this play into anything?
Secondly: How does Diamond react to the Marquette team when he is attendance? Is he cheering, or does he try to play it cool?
Another fan reported that he and his dad were going nuts at the Villanova game. I think "cheering like 30 year season ticket holders" was the exact phrasing
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I don't have a problem with sound basketball-related criticism. I have a problem with saying that Stone has an "attitude problem" when you really don't know the kid at all.
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Is sack up Sally directed at me? I can take it. I'm an adult. Is it directed outward a towards potential recruits and their families who read this message board? If so, that's a sad and selfish attitude.
Seemed pretty clear when I wrote it.
In a 69 reply thread, three people wrote about Stone's "attitude". That's a tiny number. Within that discussion, some of the talk pointed out the coaching issues Stone has been through and how that seems to have had an effect on his engagement. It's nowhere near a "bashing" in a logical thinker's mind.
Not surprisingly during your shocked outrage in this thread, you have glossed over the people who wrote that Stone will be one of the best in Wisconsin history and said he was a real talent that Buzz can work with and everyone on Scoop would be thrilled if he came to MU.
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I am not much of a rabble-rouser here. But even if I were, the fact that a recruit or a player's father might read my words wouldn't make me change one thing about what I'd post on MUScoop.
If a kid bases anything on words written by a bunch of anonymous fans, he's not mentally strong enough to play college hoops at the highest level.
You mean like Vander Blue?
http://www.tarheelblog.com/2009/05/wisconsin-recruit-decommits-because-of-message-boards/
Look, I don't think anything said in this thread comes anywhere close to what UW boards said about Vander. But let's not justify something by saying "well, he isn't mentally strong then." Players are going to go, in part, where they feel welcome.
And most of what is said in this thread has been more than fair. But people need to know that Buzz has lost a recruit *he wanted* because of what was said in this very forum. I just think they need to keep that in mind.
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Greek Freak's bro starts Dominican on Monday. Won't be playin' hoops 'til next season. GA says his 6'6" kin will be better than his own self.
Mark Miller just tweeted he may yet play this year.
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You mean like Vander Blue?
http://www.tarheelblog.com/2009/05/wisconsin-recruit-decommits-because-of-message-boards/
And most of what is said in this thread has been more than fair. But people need to know that Buzz has lost a recruit *he wanted* because of what was said in this very forum. I just think they need to keep that in mind.
I thought Vander decommitted because details of a private meeting regarding academics were leaked by someone on the UW side?
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I don't have a problem with sound basketball-related criticism. I have a problem with saying that Stone has an "attitude problem" when you really don't know the kid at all.
I know plenty. Out of respect for the family, the kid and the recruiting process I choose not to disclose any information that ultimately could hurt any of the people or processes I listed. Saying what I said about him originally was the most respectful way I could put my concerns. If me saying that he may not reach his potential because of his attitude is too negative, perhaps we should just shut down scoop all together. If you don't like it don't read it.
Marquette basketball will continue to be successful with or without DS. My hope is with.
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I know plenty. Out of respect for the family, the kid and the recruiting process I choose not to disclose any information that ultimately could hurt any of the people or processes I listed. Saying what I said about him originally was the most respectful way I could put my concerns. If me saying that he may not reach his potential because of his attitude is too negative, perhaps we should just shut down scoop all together. If you don't like it don't read it.
Marquette basketball will continue to be successful with or without DS. My hope is with.
Buzz clearly wants Stone. It would be a program changing commit if he pulled the trigger for MU. Why write something in a public forum that could potentially undermine that? Even if it's only a 0.0001% chance that it affects anything? I think that's the point.
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I thought Vander decommitted because details of a private meeting regarding academics were leaked by someone on the UW side?
Did you read the article? It has direct quotes from Vander.
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I know plenty. Out of respect for the family, the kid and the recruiting process I choose not to disclose any information that ultimately could hurt any of the people or processes I listed. Saying what I said about him originally was the most respectful way I could put my concerns. If me saying that he may not reach his potential because of his attitude is too negative, perhaps we should just shut down scoop all together. If you don't like it don't read it.
Marquette basketball will continue to be successful with or without DS. My hope is with.
So you went from some random statement about watching him play and commenting on his demeanor on the court, to "I know plenty." Well...OK.
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So you went from some random statement about watching him play and commenting on his demeanor on the court, to "I know plenty." Well...OK.
Says the message board police man. The point is I didn't say anything all that negative and I went on to say how I still hope we land him. Shame on me. ::)
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Mods can we lock this thread? I feel like its going nowhere good... sort of regret starting it.
Maybe we can at least get back to the original topic?
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Says the message board police man. The point is I didn't say anything all that negative and I went on to say how I still hope we land him. Shame on me. ::)
Why are you so defensive about it? I accurately quoted your first post, and summarized your second.
And I most certainly don't want to be a policeman about anything. I have not reported your post to the mods or anything. Feel free to say whatever you want to say. I will exercise the same right however.
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Why are you so defensive about it? I accurately quoted your first post, and summarized your second.
And I most certainly don't want to be a policeman about anything. I have not reported your post to the mods or anything. Feel free to say whatever you want to say. I will exercise the same right however.
I don't want to get into personal attacks. You questioned my comments and credibility, knowing full well there is no way to prove them without disclosing the information I know. The op wanted opinions on DS, I gave mine, the end.
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Did you read the article? It has direct quotes from Vander.
Sorry I was unclear.
The Badger boards lit up because someone inside the program leaked info from a private meeting to Erick the Red and the other Badger azzhats.
My point is an insider leaked, and that was what really caused him to leave. I think he proved to be a tough minded player at MU, and normal internet chatter wouldn't have chased him away.
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I don't want to get into personal attacks. You questioned my comments and credibility, knowing full well there is no way to prove them without disclosing the information I know. The op wanted opinions on DS, I gave mine, the end.
I questioned your comments.
I did not question your credibility.