Curious if a guy like Hill is still getting called by Mizzou and others cause MU Is not doing do hot. Wondering how pervasive this type of situation is when a high profile guy signs with a team during a down year
He's in full support of the team.
Nah. A verbal needs no excuse, but "team sucked this year" isn't a valid excuse to get out of an LOI.
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on February 01, 2014, 09:11:42 PM
Curious if a guy like Hill is still getting called by Mizzou and others cause MU Is not doing do hot. Wondering how pervasive this type of situation is when a high profile guy signs with a team during a down year
Sure, and Hill is going to call and say "you lost against St. John's today and I'm embarrassed and I want out of my LOI."
And of course Buzz won't remind him that we play four seniors a ton of minutes he'll never play with. And Buzz won't remind him the current freshmen and sophomore (Taylor) will play many more minutes next year. Further Buzz won't remind him that Hill will play with Luke Fisher, Duane Wilson and Satchel Pierce, none of which have logged a second this year.
No Buzz is going to release all recruits from their legal commitments, and will tell every current member of the team they can transfer and they will be let out of their commitment without question.
So, legal commitments and years of evaluating and consideration means nothing. Recruits will change their mind based on some Saturday morning loss.
If the recruit perceives that the team sucked he might view that as a positive because he anticipates playing time immediately. We live in an instant gratification, over-caffeinated, ADHD, helicopter parents... handlers... posse world.
Quote from: VegasWarrior77 on February 01, 2014, 09:50:22 PM
If the recruit perceives that the team sucked he might view that as a positive because he anticipates playing time immediately. We live in an instant gratification, over-caffeinated, ADHD, helicopter parents... handlers... posse world.
Again more than half the team he will play with his sophomore year is not on this team. Same applies if we were#1.
So what difference does it make ... Only Buzz is the constant between this team and his team.
Buzz is why he committed, not Jake, Jamil, Devante and Chris.
Why worry about this? He signed his LOI.
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on February 01, 2014, 09:11:42 PM
Curious if a guy like Hill is still getting called by Mizzou and others cause MU Is not doing do hot. Wondering how pervasive this type of situation is when a high profile guy signs with a team during a down year
Nah, c'mon man. No more so than gettin' wood when committed to a front runnin' program. There's a lot goin' on in signin' a LOI than the current W/L record.
I would think this year's team gives Hill more optimism that he will see significant playing time as a freshmen.
Quote from: bilsu on February 02, 2014, 11:12:18 AM
I would think this year's team gives Hill more optimism that he will see significant playing time as a freshmen.
+1
Right after he committed there was a quote from Hill that said something along the lines off "Buzz told me they are going to build the program around me." This is a kid who wants to play right away. Seeing us struggle, I'm sure he's excited to be our top recruit in next year's class.
Hill will probably get Major min from Day one.
This years team is on the verge of unwatchable so he should look forward to helping clean
Up this pile of crap next year.
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on February 01, 2014, 09:11:42 PM
Curious if a guy like Hill is still getting called by Mizzou and others cause MU Is not doing do hot. Wondering how pervasive this type of situation is when a high profile guy signs with a team during a down year
Have you seen Mizzou? They suck ass as well.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on February 01, 2014, 10:00:43 PM
Why worry about this? He signed his LOI.
You realize that this is KenoshaWarrior you're talking to, right?
Quote from: Nevada233 on February 02, 2014, 11:28:10 AM
Hill will probably get Major min from Day one.
This years team is on the verge of unwatchable so he should look forward to helping clean
Up this pile of crap next year.
Quote from: Nevada233 on February 02, 2014, 11:28:10 AM
Hill will probably get Major min from Day one.
Sigh ...
Last year we all thought Duane, Burton and JJJ would get major minutes, are they?
The year before that we thought the same with Taylor. Did he?
Before that we expected Vander to start as a Freshman and lead the team. Did he?
Jamil Jones was going to be a scoring machine from outside. Was he?
Before that Erik Williams had an "NBA body" and we wonder if he would leave early for the draft.
Need I go on.
Question, I'll assume that Hill can score like all highly rated recruits. Can he defend? Or will he spend his freshman year mostly out of position on defense? If he does, he's not seeing the floor.
Quote from: Heisenberg on February 02, 2014, 01:34:24 PM
Sigh ...
Last year we all thought Duane, Burton and JJJ would get major minutes, are they?
The year before that we thought the same with Taylor. Did he?
Before that we expected Vander to start as a Freshman and lead the team. Did he?
Jamil Jones was going to be a scoring machine from outside. Was he?
Before that Erik Williams had an "NBA body" and we wonder if he would leave early for the draft.
Need I go on.
Question, I'll assume that Hill can score like all highly rated recruits. Can he defend? Or will he spend his freshman year mostly out of position on defense? If he does, he's not seeing the floor.
I do not recall a freshman getting significant minutes except Blue. Answer: Buzz don't do freshman.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 02, 2014, 01:39:53 PM
I do not recall a freshman getting significant minutes except Blue. Answer: Buzz don't do freshman IF THEY CANT PLAY DEFENSE
FIFY.
Quote from: Heisenberg on February 02, 2014, 01:34:24 PM
Sigh ...
Last year we all thought Duane, Burton and JJJ would get major minutes, are they?
The year before that we thought the same with Taylor. Did he?
Before that we expected Vander to start as a Freshman and lead the team. Did he?
Jamil Jones was going to be a scoring machine from outside. Was he?
Before that Erik Williams had an "NBA body" and we wonder if he would leave early for the draft.
Need I go on.
Question, I'll assume that Hill can score like all highly rated recruits. Can he defend? Or will he spend his freshman year mostly out of position on defense? If he does, he's not seeing the floor.
Dude. Seriously, you are in absolutely zero position to call out someones post. But since you just seem to be naturally slow...
Tell me which of those years had as many openings as next year will.
Underclassmen will have to play major minutes next year. That is fact. Go to bed.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 02, 2014, 01:39:53 PM
I do not recall a freshman getting significant minutes except Blue. Answer: Buzz don't do freshman.
To be fair .. Reggie Smith was a starter and Jmay was getting significant minutes. Then they transferred midseason.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 02, 2014, 01:39:53 PM
I do not recall a freshman getting significant minutes except Blue. Answer: Buzz don't do freshman.
Mayo got more minutes as a freshman than Blue did.
Buzz will play them if they can contribute.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 02, 2014, 01:33:44 PM
h
Hope so, but over who?
Buzz has already locked in this starting line-up for next year:
PG Derrick 35 minutes a game because he is elite
2G Mayo and JJJ for about 35 minutes
SF Anderson
PF Burton/Taylor
C Taylor, then Pierce, then Fischer
And minutes will still have to be found for Du. Wilson, Dawson and some of the other guys. The softest spot in this line up is Anderson. Buzz might have to go to 3 Guards to keep some of these guys happy.
JJJ could definitely play in Juan's spot. It's the same position that Trent played last year and Vander the year before.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on February 02, 2014, 01:50:55 PM
JJJ could definitely play in Juan's spot. It's the same position that Trent played last year and Vander the year before.
I agree - Buzz is very comfortable using a 6'4" - 6'5" guy in that spot.
you guys know that team that southern beat 116-12 or some crap?
could Juan even start on the team that scored 12? If he plays major minutes for us again next year....we are FU CK ED.
Quote from: Heisenberg on February 02, 2014, 01:48:12 PM
To be fair .. Reggie Smith was a starter and Jmay was getting significant minutes. Then they transferred midseason.
Forgot about Maymon but he did not last long. And Reggie Smith played about 3 minutes each and then sat. Not significant, and that experiment blew up on Buzz
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on February 01, 2014, 10:00:43 PM
Why worry about this? He signed his LOI.
I don't think there is anything to worry about in this case, but speaking in general - LOI's are often worth very little if a kid really wants out.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 02, 2014, 01:33:44 PM
h
Hope so, but over who?
Buzz has already locked in this starting line-up for next year:
PG Derrick 35 minutes a game because he is elite
2G Mayo and JJJ for about 35 minutes
SF Anderson
PF Burton/Taylor
C Taylor, then Pierce, then Fischer
And minutes will still have to be found for Du. Wilson, Dawson and some of the other guys. The softest spot in this line up is Anderson. Buzz might have to go to 3 Guards to keep some of these guys happy.
If Derrick and Juan get more than 10 minutes combined over game next year it will be this year all over again. Derrick should be a backup and Juan should be behind a walkon, He has regressed to the point of being unplayable.
Quote from: ecompt on February 02, 2014, 02:41:41 PM
If Derrick and Juan get more than 10 minutes combined over game next year it will be this year all over again. Derrick should be a backup and Juan should be behind a walkon, He has regressed to the point of being unplayable.
Derrick won't be a back up. If you think that's going to hamper next year's team, you may as well log off for the next 15 months.
Quote from: ecompt on February 02, 2014, 02:41:41 PM
If Derrick and Juan get more than 10 minutes combined over game next year it will be this year all over again. Derrick should be a backup and Juan should be behind a walkon, He has regressed to the point of being unplayable.
I agree with you. Quite honestly, JA is a major disappointment. Could be a long year next year because I get the feeling to many people are expecting the incoming class to bail us out, again.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on February 02, 2014, 03:01:58 PM
Derrick won't be a back up. If you think that's going to hamper next year's team, you may as well log off for the next 15 months.
Yeah he won't be a "back up" but I bet his minutes are greatly reduced next year....or so I am hoping.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on February 02, 2014, 03:01:58 PM
Derrick won't be a back up. If you think that's going to hamper next year's team, you may as well log off for the next 15 months.
Agreed. But here's hoping Buzz shows the openness to ride the hot hand as he did in the GT game. Though I still doubt he'll be enough of an offensive threat to help us take a huge step forward, Derrick should be better next season with a year under his belt as a starter and a better all-around SG next to him.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on February 02, 2014, 03:01:58 PM
Derrick won't be a back up. If you think that's going to hamper next year's team, you may as well log off for the next 15 months.
The only way Derrick Wilson stops being an issue will be when he graduates.
UCLA was embarrassed by Oregon State today. UCLA is unranked.
Maybe someone should call Looney and see if he wants to bail on his LOI.
Sounds stupid? It is. As stupid as thinking Hill wants to bail
Haha people here are funny and/or clueless about basketball. Is Derrick Wilson a First Team All BE PG? No. But did anybody expect him to be? If you did, again, you are clueless. Derrick is the least of this team's problems (I feel like I am a broken freaking record). The problem is the rest of the team. Davante hasn't been as consistent. Jake is a net negative when he's not shooting (which he rarely is). Jamil sometimes decides he'll show up for a half, sometimes not. Todd goes off for about 2 minutes per game and the rest of the time is nowhere to be found. Juan puts forth a good effort but is extremely limited. Steve and Duane are/have been injured. JJJ, Dawson, and Burton all lack basic defensive understanding/fundamentals. CO is limited offensively.
Derrick is one of the few players who has really played up to my expectations. Maybe I'm just crazy. But Derrick has been fine. The rest of the team...
Ahmed brings the scorer mentality a la Jerel, but he needs to bring the McSteal defense to garner playing time.
I'm excited about next year's class except for the -1 that exists on the schollie table.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on February 02, 2014, 04:52:36 PM
Ahmed brings the scorer mentality a la Jerel, but he needs to bring the McSteal defense to garner playing time.
I'm excited about next year's class except for the -1 that exists on the schollie table.
Hopefully you're referring to the freshman and sophomore year McSteal defense. The more he found his offense in his later seasons at Marquette, the more he forgot about the defensive end of the floor. I can still picture him standing in no man's land looking at the ball up top while the man he was guarding had cut behind him for a wide open, game winning layup against Nova at MSG in the BE Tournament.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 02, 2014, 04:44:33 PM
Haha people here are funny and/or clueless about basketball. Is Derrick Wilson a First Team All BE PG? No. But did anybody expect him to be? If you did, again, you are clueless. Derrick is the least of this team's problems (I feel like I am a broken freaking record). The problem is the rest of the team. Davante hasn't been as consistent. Jake is a net negative when he's not shooting (which he rarely is). Jamil sometimes decides he'll show up for a half, sometimes not. Todd goes off for about 2 minutes per game and the rest of the time is nowhere to be found. Juan puts forth a good effort but is extremely limited. Steve and Duane are/have been injured. JJJ, Dawson, and Burton all lack basic defensive understanding/fundamentals. CO is limited offensively.
Derrick is one of the few players who has really played up to my expectations. Maybe I'm just crazy. But Derrick has been fine. The rest of the team...
Nailed it.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 02, 2014, 04:58:53 PM
Hopefully you're referring to the freshman and sophomore year McSteal defense. The more he found his offense in his later seasons at Marquette, the more he forgot about the defensive end of the floor. I can still picture him standing in no man's land looking at the ball up top while the man he was guarding had cut behind him for a wide open, game winning layup against Nova at MSG in the BE Tournament.
Nailed it, part II
Quote from: wadesworld on February 02, 2014, 04:44:33 PM
Haha people here are funny and/or clueless about basketball. Is Derrick Wilson a First Team All BE PG? No. But did anybody expect him to be? If you did, again, you are clueless. Derrick is the least of this team's problems (I feel like I am a broken freaking record). The problem is the rest of the team. Davante hasn't been as consistent. Jake is a net negative when he's not shooting (which he rarely is). Jamil sometimes decides he'll show up for a half, sometimes not. Todd goes off for about 2 minutes per game and the rest of the time is nowhere to be found. Juan puts forth a good effort but is extremely limited. Steve and Duane are/have been injured. JJJ, Dawson, and Burton all lack basic defensive understanding/fundamentals. CO is limited offensively.
You are forgetting something...
...Davante isn't consistent BECAUSE OF DERRICK WILSON!!!!
...Jake doesn't shoot BECAUSE OF DERRICK WILSON!!!!
...Juan is limited BECAUSE OF DERRICK WILSON!!!!
...Steve and Duane have been injured BECAUSE OF DERRICK WILSON!!!!
Cmon man. Just open your eyes!!!!
Quote from: wadesworld on February 02, 2014, 04:44:33 PM
Haha people here are funny and/or clueless about basketball. Is Derrick Wilson a First Team All BE PG? No. But did anybody expect him to be? If you did, again, you are clueless. Derrick is the least of this team's problems (I feel like I am a broken freaking record). The problem is the rest of the team. Davante hasn't been as consistent. Jake is a net negative when he's not shooting (which he rarely is). Jamil sometimes decides he'll show up for a half, sometimes not. Todd goes off for about 2 minutes per game and the rest of the time is nowhere to be found. Juan puts forth a good effort but is extremely limited. Steve and Duane are/have been injured. JJJ, Dawson, and Burton all lack basic defensive understanding/fundamentals. CO is limited offensively.
Derrick is one of the few players who has really played up to my expectations. Maybe I'm just crazy. But Derrick has been fine. The rest of the team...
Wades, I know you're a smart guy, but come on. We wouldn't have dozens of Derrick or Dawson threads if Derrick wasn't the problem.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on February 02, 2014, 01:46:41 PM
FIFY.
Honestly, Marial Shayok might be getting decent minutes next year because of his D. Corey Evans loves his defensive versatility.
Back to the topic at hand: I don't see commitments being as fickle as our fan base. While the message board loves to turn on whatever the topic du jour of whining is that week (or, apparently in a down year EVERYTHING), commits don't freak out about one game. Or for that matter, a season. He signed an LOI. He knows what buzz and Chew promised him. That's enough consideration.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 02, 2014, 04:44:33 PM
Haha people here are funny and/or clueless about basketball. Is Derrick Wilson a First Team All BE PG? No. But did anybody expect him to be? If you did, again, you are clueless. Derrick is the least of this team's problems (I feel like I am a broken freaking record). The problem is the rest of the team. Davante hasn't been as consistent. Jake is a net negative when he's not shooting (which he rarely is). Jamil sometimes decides he'll show up for a half, sometimes not. Todd goes off for about 2 minutes per game and the rest of the time is nowhere to be found. Juan puts forth a good effort but is extremely limited. Steve and Duane are/have been injured. JJJ, Dawson, and Burton all lack basic defensive understanding/fundamentals. CO is limited offensively.
Derrick is one of the few players who has really played up to my expectations. Maybe I'm just crazy. But Derrick has been fine. The rest of the team...
Derrick has played up to my expectations as well. He has been inadequate which is what I expected. Buzz has stated that we are essentially playing 4 on 5 on offense when he is in the game. How is that the least of our problems? Defenses will never play him honestly because he can't make a shot outside of a layup. When your PG is shooting 47 percent from the ft line that isn't a problem? We do have other issues, I will readily admit that. To think Derrick isn't one of our main issues is ridiculous. He does nothing offensively adequately...well actually he's a good rebounding point. His defense has been average to slightly above this year.
Quote from: mubuzz on February 02, 2014, 07:14:29 PM
Derrick has played up to my expectations as well. He has been inadequate which is what I expected. Buzz has stated that we are essentially playing 4 on 5 on offense when he is in the game. How is that the least of our problems? Defenses will never play him honestly because he can't make a shot outside of a layup. When your PG is shooting 47 percent from the ft line that isn't a problem? We do have other issues, I will readily admit that. To think Derrick isn't one of our main issues is ridiculous. He does nothing offensively adequately...well actually he's a good rebounding point. His defense has been average to slightly above this year.
Derrick is averaging 5.5 points, 4 assists, and 4 rebounds per game. Again, 1st Team All BE? Nope. But inadequate? Nope. If you look at the points players account for on Marquette by combining their average points and giving them 2 points for each assist they average (the minimum amount of points that could create), Derrick is creating 13.5 points/game. That would be good for 3rd on the Marquette team behind Jamil Wilson and Davante Gardner. I will say it again, Derrick is not the problem, it's the fact that Derrick is within 5 points/game (when combining points + points from assists) of being the team leader, and sits at 3rd on the team. That is not Derrick's fault.
Agreed. Inconsistent performances from the purported leaders are as much to blame as Derrick. But, he is a convenient scapegoat for what is to my eyes more a case of lazy senioritis than anything Derrick has done.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on February 02, 2014, 05:09:13 PM
You are forgetting something...
...Davante isn't consistent BECAUSE OF DERRICK WILSON!!!!
...Jake doesn't shoot BECAUSE OF DERRICK WILSON!!!!
...Juan is limited BECAUSE OF DERRICK WILSON!!!!
...Steve and Duane have been injured BECAUSE OF DERRICK WILSON!!!!
Cmon man. Just open your eyes!!!!
and you called my post dumb...
Quote from: wadesworld on February 02, 2014, 07:21:19 PM
Derrick is averaging 5.5 points, 4 assists, and 4 rebounds per game. Again, 1st Team All BE? Nope. But inadequate? Nope. If you look at the points players account for on Marquette by combining their average points and giving them 2 points for each assist they average (the minimum amount of points that could create), Derrick is creating 13.5 points/game. That would be good for 3rd on the Marquette team behind Jamil Wilson and Davante Gardner. I will say it again, Derrick is not the problem, it's the fact that Derrick is within 5 points/game (when combining points + points from assists) of being the team leader, and sits at 3rd on the team. That is not Derrick's fault.
Those stats are fine, but is doesn't account for opposing defenses sagging into the paint because he can't shoot. This bogs down our offense. Sole reason for our teams struggles...most certainly not. A part of our struggles, absolutely. There are numerous issues with this team and to say he isn't one of them I disagree.
Quote from: avid1010 on February 02, 2014, 07:38:50 PM
and you called my post dumb...
i think sultan was being sarcastic.
Quote from: mubuzz on February 02, 2014, 07:41:13 PM
Those stats are fine, but is doesn't account for opposing defenses sagging into the paint because he can't shoot. This bogs down our offense. Sole reason for our teams struggles...most certainly not. A part of our struggles, absolutely. There are numerous issues with this team and to say he isn't one of them I disagree.
I was watching yesterday's game specifically for this. They didn't sag off of Derrick one bit. Providence a little, but it didn't really matter.
The 5 on 4 line is so tired. Every team has a player on the floor who isn't a high impact scorer. There have been point guards that aren't high impact scorers.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on February 02, 2014, 08:05:59 PM
I was watching yesterday's game specifically for this. They didn't sag off of Derrick one bit. Providence a little, but it didn't really matter.
The 5 on 4 line is so tired. Every team has a player on the floor who isn't a high impact scorer. There have been point guards that aren't high impact scorers.
You are right, there are. They are usually backups, or possess great court awareness and make easy looks for their teammates. You are also right about the last 2 teams we have played not sagging off of Derrick...I have no idea what they are thinking. The 4 on 5 line is tired? Did Buzz himself not specifically say this? Can Derrick make a jump shot?
Quote from: mubuzz on February 02, 2014, 08:20:08 PM
You are right, there are. They are usually backups, or possess great court awareness and make easy looks for their teammates. You are also right about the last 2 teams we have played not sagging off of Derrick...I have no idea what they are thinking. The 4 on 5 line is tired? Did Buzz himself not specifically say this? Can Derrick make a jump shot?
As I have said, he is average at best. But IMO he's not as big of a problem as inconsistency from the other guard positions and senior leaders that have sh*t body language and don't always show up.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on February 02, 2014, 08:22:41 PM
As I have said, he is average at best. But IMO he's not as big of a problem as inconsistency from the other guard positions and senior leaders that have sh*t body language and don't always show up.
I know that you have said that you think he is average at best. My point in commenting originally was to disagree that he is the least of our problems. He is a problem in my eyes. Not our only problem obviously, but a problem none the less.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on February 02, 2014, 08:22:41 PM
As I have said, he is average at best. But IMO he's not as big of a problem as inconsistency from the other guard positions and senior leaders that have sh*t body language and don't always show up.
+1. I have gained a lot more respect for Derrick with his play, his effort, and his leadership the last couple games.
Quote from: brandx on February 02, 2014, 08:41:45 PM
+1. I have gained a lot more respect for Derrick with his play, his effort, and his leadership the last couple games.
I was thinking the exact same thing.
Despite this, I also was thinking that a high-major team with high aspirations needs a significantly better PG.
Quote from: 79Warrior on February 02, 2014, 03:27:26 PM
I agree with you. Quite honestly, JA is a major disappointment. Could be a long year next year because I get the feeling to many people are expecting the incoming class to bail us out, again.
I have a guy feeling that this year's class with a year's experience under their belts will more than bail us out. Luke Fischer just might help a little bit, too. Steve Taylor, Jr. being healthy from the git go might impact things, as well.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on February 02, 2014, 04:52:36 PM
Ahmed brings the scorer mentality a la Jerel, but he needs to bring the McSteal defense to garner playing time.
I'm excited about next year's class except for the -1 that exists on the schollie table.
If next year's class excites you, the -1 is good news. MU is going to lose one of the guys who is disappointing you.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on February 02, 2014, 05:09:13 PM
You are forgetting something...
...Davante isn't consistent BECAUSE OF DERRICK WILSON!!!!
...Jake doesn't shoot BECAUSE OF DERRICK WILSON!!!!
...Juan is limited BECAUSE OF DERRICK WILSON!!!!
...Steve and Duane have been injured BECAUSE OF DERRICK WILSON!!!!
Cmon man. Just open your eyes!!!!
And, of course, Buzz has forgotten how to coach because of Derrick....
Quote from: Heisenberg on February 02, 2014, 04:39:02 PM
UCLA was embarrassed by Oregon State today. UCLA is unranked.
Maybe someone should call Looney and see if he wants to bail on his LOI.
Sounds stupid? It is. As stupid as thinking Hill wants to bail
You keep bringing up how stupid it is that Hill would want out of his LOI. Where does the original poster ever imply that that is what is happening. He asked if a school that finished #2 for a kid might still be poking around despite the kid being committed to another school. I thought it was a valid question.
Also if anyone knows whether this does happen or not, is it against the rules or merely something frowned upon. I would assume that once they sign on the line they are completely off limits.
Quote from: Skitch on February 02, 2014, 10:50:43 PM
You keep bringing up how stupid it is that Hill would want out of his LOI. Where does the original poster ever imply that that is what is happening. He asked if a school that finished #2 for a kid might still be poking around despite the kid being committed to another school. I thought it was a valid question.
Also if anyone knows whether this does happen or not, is it against the rules or merely something frowned upon. I would assume that once they sign on the line they are completely off limits.
You don't know Kenosha warrior, he's stirring the pot, not asking a question
Quote from: Skitch on February 02, 2014, 10:50:43 PM
You keep bringing up how stupid it is that Hill would want out of his LOI. Where does the original poster ever imply that that is what is happening. He asked if a school that finished #2 for a kid might still be poking around despite the kid being committed to another school. I thought it was a valid question.
Also if anyone knows whether this does happen or not, is it against the rules or merely something frowned upon. I would assume that once they sign on the line they are completely off limits.
I'm sure it happens, but it's definitely a recruiting violation. Verbal commits it's still open season. Once the LOI is signed, they are off limits to contact from other schools.
So no, Missouri is not/should not be poking around. And I doubt Hill would listen for even a second if they were.
This post highlights how insecure we are about our program and our place in the basketball world. It's a down year, it happens--I need not remind everyone again. Ahmed Hill committed to an excellent coach in Buzz Williams and a Marquette program that has been to the Tournament every year since 2006 and has enjoyed back to back to back Sweet 16s with an Elite 8 sprinkled on top. Hills knows where he's going and he's grateful to be going there. Let's keep our heads up. We have a lot to be proud of with regard to this program.
Quote from: Jajuannaman on February 03, 2014, 09:32:38 AM
I'm sure it happens, but it's definitely a recruiting violation. Verbal commits it's still open season. Once the LOI is signed, they are off limits to contact from other schools.
So no, Missouri is not/should not be poking around. And I doubt Hill would listen for even a second if they were.
I would add to this that once the LOI is signed not only are recruits are off limits but so are current players. No one can call Burton, JJJ, Duane Wilson, Steve Taylor or whoever and ask if they are unhappy and want to transfer.
If you want to transfer like Luke Fisher first you have to ask out of your commitment, then you can call other coaches. Even if Fisher's dad called Buzz before he was out, Buzz is not allowed to answer per Fisher's legal commitment to IU.
(Fisher knew via public sources that MU had an open spot and Buzz did recruit him last year so he could reasonably assume Buzz would say yes if they asked once they were let of the commitment.)
This is cute and all, but there are always ways to talk to guys.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on February 03, 2014, 10:15:06 AM
This is cute and all, but there are always ways to talk to guys.
Of course, but that "talk" would never include the head coach directly. He should be smart enough not to be tied to such talk.
Quote from: Heisenberg on February 03, 2014, 10:12:27 AM
I would add to this that once the LOI is signed not only are recruits are off limits but so are current players. No one can call Burton, JJJ, Duane Wilson, Steve Taylor or whoever and ask if they are unhappy and want to transfer.
If you want to transfer like Luke Fisher first you have to ask out of your commitment, then you can call other coaches. Even if Fisher's dad called Buzz before he was out, Buzz is not allowed to answer per Fisher's legal commitment to IU.
(Fisher knew via public sources that MU had an open spot and Buzz did recruit him last year so he could reasonably assume Buzz would say yes if they asked once they were let of the commitment.)
I thought the player could call another school, but the other program could not have any communication with a player at another program unless it was initiated by the player. So I thought Luke could have called MU before receiving his release from IU, but nobody could contact Luke until after Luke was given his release from IU unless Luke initiated it. Not sure though. Jaybee, care to clarify?
http://chronicle.augusta.com/sports/high-school/2014-02-07/aquinas-star-ahmed-hill-takes-showdown-marquette-coach-attendance#.UvZoC-zWXh8.twitter
Quote from: MuMark on February 08, 2014, 11:51:46 AM
http://chronicle.augusta.com/sports/high-school/2014-02-07/aquinas-star-ahmed-hill-takes-showdown-marquette-coach-attendance#.UvZoC-zWXh8.twitter
Great link. Thanks.
Sounds like Hill values defense and is quite good at it. And he looks like he already has a college-ready body.
Quote from: MU82 on February 08, 2014, 12:28:05 PM
Great link. Thanks.
Sounds like Hill values defense and is quite good at it. And he looks like he already has a college-ready body.
My thoughts exactly. He has an ability to play man-to-man defense...and the body to contribute right away.
I can't copy the tweet for whatever reason, but this is what Hill tweeted out last night after Buzz watched his game.
"It was great to see Coach Chew and Coach Buzz...Can't wait for next year to be coached by the greatest coaches in the nation. #WeAreMU...
Sounds like a guy who is looking forward to coming to Milwaukee.
Awesome article. The pic with the MU pennant is outstanding. Hill is a perfect fit for MU. When all is said and done I think he'll be the best 2G in blue and gold since Wade.
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on February 08, 2014, 12:37:09 PM
I can't copy the tweet for whatever reason, but this is what Hill tweeted out last night after Buzz watched his game.
"It was great to see Coach Chew and Coach Buzz...Can't wait for next year to be coached by the greatest coaches in the nation. #WeAreMU...
Sounds like a guy who is looking forward to coming to Milwaukee.
I'm looking forward to Ahmed!
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on February 08, 2014, 12:37:09 PM
I can't copy the tweet for whatever reason, but this is what Hill tweeted out last night after Buzz watched his game.
"It was great to see Coach Chew and Coach Buzz...Can't wait for next year to be coached by the greatest coaches in the nation. #WeAreMU...
Sounds like a guy who is looking forward to coming to Milwaukee.
I guess he must have missed the memo that Buzz is stubborn and suddenly has become the village idiot of coaching.
Quote from: MU82 on February 08, 2014, 02:01:02 PM
I guess he must have missed the memo that Buzz is stubborn and suddenly has become the village idiot of coaching.
Hill should be safe. He's not competing for minutes at the PG position. :o
Quote from: Jajuannaman on February 08, 2014, 12:44:51 PM
Awesome article. The pic with the MU pennant is outstanding. Hill is a perfect fit for MU. When all is said and done I think he'll be the best 2G in blue and gold since Wade.
With Jerel, DJO, Buycks, and Vander on that list "best 2G since Wade" is a tall order. 2G has probably been our strongest position over the last ten years. Can't say I wouldn't love for him to surpass all those guys.
Quote from: Jajuannaman on February 08, 2014, 12:44:51 PM
Awesome article. The pic with the MU pennant is outstanding. Hill is a perfect fit for MU. When all is said and done I think he'll be the best 2G in blue and gold since Wade.
i seem to remembrer people saying that about JJJ
Quote from: MU82 on February 08, 2014, 12:28:05 PM
Great link. Thanks.
Sounds like Hill values defense and is quite good at it. And he looks like he already has a college-ready body.
I remember people here saying Erik Williams had an NBA body. Does that mean Hill's not as good?
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 08, 2014, 03:19:46 PM
i seem to remembrer people saying that about JJJ
JJJ will start and be very productive next year. Double figure scoring and will run the floor.
Quote from: ODMU238 on February 08, 2014, 03:14:58 PM
With Jerel, DJO, Buycks, and Vander on that list "best 2G since Wade" is a tall order. 2G has probably been our strongest position over the last ten years. Can't say I wouldn't love for him to surpass all those guys.
I'm well aware of the gravity of that statement. I think he will be that good. I'm very excited about Hill.
Quote from: Jajuannaman on February 08, 2014, 04:39:03 PM
I'm well aware of the gravity of that statement. I think he will be that good. I'm very excited about Hill.
Let's temper our expectations and just say that we have high hopes for the young man.
Quote from: MuMark on February 08, 2014, 11:51:46 AM
http://chronicle.augusta.com/sports/high-school/2014-02-07/aquinas-star-ahmed-hill-takes-showdown-marquette-coach-attendance#.UvZoC-zWXh8.twitter
From the article:
The Marquette coach said he wanted to see some of the traits he looks for in a player.
"(I look for) character, how hard they play, what kind of teammate they are,
what's their body language like," he said.
I guess that this'll end the Diamond Stone recruitment.
Corry Black @CoachCBlack 4m
#CBHoopsReport:6'4 Ahmed Hill(Aquanis) @MedHill_14 went to another Level Today when he drop 41(9 3's) @MarquetteMBB
Quote from: MuMark on February 11, 2014, 05:27:48 PM
Corry Black @CoachCBlack 4m
#CBHoopsReport:6'4 Ahmed Hill(Aquanis) @MedHill_14 went to another Level Today when he drop 41(9 3's) @MarquetteMBB
Wow!
That's got me salivating
Damn. 9 threes? Can't wait for MedHill.