Really liked the first half minutes distribution. Liked the offensive-minded starting lineup. Wish Buzz would have changed things up more during Providence's run in the second half.
Also, someone here said we absolutely would not beat Providence if Jake and Derrick played the majority of minutes. Jake with 23, Derrick with 30. I wonder if we'll see any response... (actually said we wouldn't win another game if Derrick played 30+ as well)
Edit: Yes, I am doing this because of all the threads that popped up after the Georgetown game. No, I still don't personally believe Derrick should be playing more than 20-25 min.
For once we didn't start a game down 10 after the first 5 minutes.
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 30, 2014, 08:15:07 PM
Really liked the first half minutes distribution. Liked the offensive-minded starting lineup.
Also, someone here said we absolutely would not beat Providence if Jake and Derrick played the majority of minutes. Jake with 23, Derrick with 30. I wonder if we'll see any response...
What do you say Nevada? Did we have a bet?
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 30, 2014, 08:15:07 PM
Really liked the first half minutes distribution. Liked the offensive-minded starting lineup. Wish Buzz would have changed things up more during Providence's run in the second half.
Also, someone here said we absolutely would not beat Providence if Jake and Derrick played the majority of minutes. Jake with 23, Derrick with 30. I wonder if we'll see any response...
Edit: Yes, I am doing this because of all the threads that popped up after the Georgetown game. No, I still don't personally believe Derrick should be playing more than 20-25 min.
I wasn't one of those guys. But when your spotted 19 points that helps. Thomas barely played in first half. Then buzz went to his standard lineup and Providence got back in the game. I'd have to rewind it, but Thomas and Wilsom were in the game during the high majority of that ridiculous 16-0 run.
I think the McDonalds All Americans should have received more minutes.
No Buzz was doing the hockey lineups still. Then went with the upper classmen when it got close even KO pointed it out.
I didn't see the 1st half but saw we won it 31-14.
Know we got beat 36-30 in second half....think Dawson got 2 minutes in 2nd half..paired with Juan and Otule. Yikes. Saw Buzz put him in after a timeout... Providence came with full court pressure...we couldn't inbound..Dawson couldn't shake free..call timeout....Buzz yanks him. That's the exact type of move I feel is too short of leash.
In 2nd half thought Derrick played well with 2 very nice assists that came off penetration for Deonte and Gardner.
Thought Jake was awful the whole 2nd half..not sure what he did to "earn" those 2nd half minutes..
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 30, 2014, 08:18:50 PM
What do you say Nevada? Did we have a bet?
I told you to inbox me... You didnt.. so guess we didnt... because we never set the stakes....
Great game tho.... I wanna be wrong on that for the rest of the year... As long as we win...
Not much Jake first half, good lead. Lots of Jake second half, not so much.
And we won't talk about the stupid fouls Jake committed 25 feet from the basket that gave easy points to Providence.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on January 30, 2014, 08:32:34 PM
Not much Jake first half, good lead. Lots of Jake second half, not so much.
Those fouls on Cotton 30 Feet from the basket were horrible....
Im just not sold on Jake Thomas His numbers don't add up to him playing 10 seconds a season longer than Mayo....
Providence - 23 minutes/ 1-5 FG/ 3 points
Seton Hall -30 minutes/ 0-4 FG/ 0 points
Villanova -30 minutes/0-1 FG/0 0 points
Wisconsin -28 minutes/0-1 FG/ 0 points
Ohio State -29 minutes/ 0-7 FG/ 2 points
Butler -38 minutes/1-8 FG/ 9 points
Depaul- 36 minutes/2-6 FG/ 6 points
Creighton -32 minutes/2-5 FG/8 points
San Diego State -28 minutes/1-3/ 5 points
The substitutions were strange, but I guess effective in first half. 11 players played in first six minutes, maybe Buzz appeasing players so they don't transfer.
Juan needs to sit at end of bench.
Thomas sitting in first half lead to big lead, then he just imploded in second half. Bad night, more Mayo or JJJ.
JJJ made two beautiful passes tonight, very impressive.
Burton is not bashful, but does he have the "IT" factor. Just calm down abit.
Nice win, but have to step it up to beat St. Johns at the Garden.
Buzz using "flashcards". Whats up with that?
1. First half was the best half of basketball all year.
2. Buzz kept the substitutions going for better or worse in the second half, until it mattered.
3. Jake takes smart 3 pt shots. He cannot pass up wide open looks. JaJuan needs to understand context before jacking early 3's.
4. The experienced players plus Deonte played the last 10 minutes, as MU fended off the run. Well coached, Buzz.
5. If you look at the right 33 minutes, MU won 61-34
6. Todd and Davante down the stretch with FT's. Nice.
7. Defensive rebounding, free throws, early shot clock 3's. I think that is all I can complain about.
8. Providence just puts their shoulders down and dares the ref to call an offensive foul.
9. I liked the hockey style line changes.
10. Great effort by the entire team. Anyone still beating the dead horse until after Saturday's game is a damn fool. Let it go. They both played well.
Quote from: tower912 on January 30, 2014, 08:54:47 PM
1. First half was the best half of basketball all year.
2. Buzz kept the substitutions going for better or worse in the second half, until it mattered.
3. Jake takes smart 3 pt shots. He cannot pass up wide open looks. JaJuan needs to understand context before jacking early 3's.
4. The experienced players plus Deonte played the last 10 minutes, as MU fended off the run. Well coached, Buzz.
5. If you look at the right 33 minutes, MU won 61-34
6. Todd and Davante down the stretch with FT's. Nice.
7. Defensive rebounding, free throws, early shot clock 3's. I think that is all I can complain about.
8. Providence just puts their shoulders down and dares the ref to call an offensive foul.
9. I liked the hockey style line changes.
10. Great effort by the entire team. If anyone still beating the dead horse until after Saturday's game is a damn fool. Let it go. They both played well.
Pretty good points (except #2), but getting a good win made me more pessimistic for the season. I see no way into the tournament since we have to win 3 in a row at the end of the season. We saw that when a game is competitive, it's gonna be Derrick (who had the best game of his career) & Jake on the floor and I don't see beating Creighton, Xavier, Nova with that lineup.
Buzz had a great game plan in the 1st half and it worked so well he abandoned it at halftime. I believe JJJ & Dawson had a combined 7 minutes in the 2nd half and I also don't see that changing.
11. That run would have stopped if Deonte doesn't miss a dunk and Juan doesn't miss a lay up. Both good shots, both shots MU wants. Gotta make them.
Quote from: tower912 on January 30, 2014, 09:09:00 PM
Dawson and JJJ earned their time in the first half. They earned the time they received in the second half. Pretty simple.
We'll agree to disagree on this one point.
One thing...def not bashing derrick today. Really I think Juan was only player who really had no positives.
But it is ironic this thread is started about the minute distribution and again, the half where derrick played basically the whole time is the one we got destroyed in until final free throws made it look better.
Not blaming him at all here. Just sayin, as usual it works both ways.
Quote from: brandx on January 30, 2014, 09:07:58 PM
Pretty good points (except #2), but getting a good win made me more pessimistic for the season. I see no way into the tournament since we have to win 3 in a row at the end of the season. We saw that when a game is competitive, it's gonna be Derrick (who had the best game of his career) & Jake on the floor and I don't see beating Creighton, Xavier, Nova with that lineup.
Buzz had a great game plan in the 1st half and it worked so well he abandoned it at halftime. I believe JJJ & Dawson had a combined 7 minutes in the 2nd half and I also don't see that changing.
We don't need to win 3 games at the end of the season. 8-2 down the stretch. Losses at home vs Creighton and @ Nova. 20-11 (12-6). All 11 losses to top 100 RPI teams. We're in. To steal one from legs......doable
Quote from: tower912 on January 30, 2014, 09:09:00 PM
Dawson and JJJ earned their time in the first half. They earned the time they received in the second half. Pretty simple.
Yep. Providence was trying to speed up MU and JJJ and Deonte took shots too early in the clock. The vets came in, slowed things down, and MU took hold of the game. I thought Dawson played well but Buzz clearly saw that Derrick was doing well so he rode with him. Really everyone got the minutes they deserved. And everyone played hard when they were in and made a positive contribution.
There was a complete line change during the run. They played about 2 minutes and nothing good happened. Buzz went back to his upperclassmen and they stopped the run and righted the ship.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on January 30, 2014, 09:13:22 PM
One thing...def not bashing derrick today. Really I think Juan was only player who really had no positives.
But it is ironic this thread is started about the minute distribution and again, the half where derrick played basically the whole time is the one we got destroyed in until final free throws made it look better.
Not blaming him at all here. Just sayin, as usual it works both ways.
Juan had a block and forced a turnover. Not much but it was something.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 30, 2014, 09:15:00 PM
Yep. Providence was trying to speed up MU and JJJ and Deonte took shots too early in the clock. The vets came in, slowed things down, and MU took hold of the game. I thought Dawson played well but Buzz clearly saw that Derrick was doing well so he rode with him. Really everyone got the minutes they deserved. And everyone played hard when they were in and made a positive contribution.
Idk if you can say JJJ took them too early. His only shot(that I recall) was early but he was wide the hell open and deonte had a monster board and scored. But yeah I agree Deonte did take some quick shots that were then rushed.
Im still baffled how Juan missed that Layup Line Layup.
Thats like when you miss a paper bag right by your trash can all by yourself. Lol
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 30, 2014, 09:16:17 PM
Juan had a block and forced a turnover. Not much but it was something.
lol ok fair enough. He still looked bad.
Forgot who it was JJJ or dawson I believe that saved him from the most moronic pass I have seen in a while at half court while they were on their run.
Juan Anderson rarely has any positives.
Jake didn't deserve his 2nd half minutes. Certainly wasn't one of the vets who helped right the ship.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on January 30, 2014, 09:18:17 PM
Forgot who it was JJJ or dawson I believe that saved him from the most moronic pass I have seen in a while at half court while they were on their run.
JJJ. One of several loose balls, saves, and deflections he had. Hope Buzz sees them on tape since it's the kind of stuff he salivates over.
Quote from: chapman on January 30, 2014, 09:24:59 PM
JJJ. One of several loose balls, saves, and deflections he had. Hope Buzz sees them on tape since it's the kind of stuff he salivates over.
Yeah that's what I thought because I think the ball shortly went to dawson. Great save.
Quote from: Boone on January 30, 2014, 09:22:14 PM
Jake didn't deserve his 2nd half minutes. Certainly wasn't one of the vets who helped right the ship.
Yeah I can go with that.
Quote from: MUEagle1090 on January 30, 2014, 09:14:07 PM
We don't need to win 3 games at the end of the season. 8-2 down the stretch. Losses at home vs Creighton and @ Nova. 20-11 (12-6). All 11 losses to top 100 RPI teams. We're in. To steal one from legs......doable
In the old BE, 20-11 gets you in. I don't think it does this year. They might have a chance with it if they win 2 BET games, but I still think they need the conf. title.
Ners said: "Saw Buzz put him in after a timeout... Providence came with full court pressure...we couldn't inbound..Dawson couldn't shake free..call timeout....Buzz yanks him. That's the exact type of move I feel is too short of leash."
The person who sat next to me was all over Buzz for that one....
No why idea Jake play so many minutes...
My only real quibble was Jake playing so much in the second half.
If he's not making wide-open 3-pointers -- especially the time he hesitated for about an hour before he hoisted a brick -- he can't be on the floor. Buzz says he trusts Jake's defense, but those were two awful fouls.
I thought JJJ was really active defensively when he was in the game, especially in the first half, and would have liked to have seen him get a little run with the Gardner-Jamil-Mayo-Derrick unit in the second half. Maybe Dawson could have had a few minutes with that group, and/or Taylor.
Too much Jake.
As I've said numerous times: We will know we're finally a good team again when Jake isn't playing 15+ minutes because it means Buzz trusts somebody enough to leave Jake on the bench.
Quote from: brandx on January 30, 2014, 09:07:58 PM
Pretty good points (except #2), but getting a good win made me more pessimistic for the season. I see no way into the tournament since we have to win 3 in a row at the end of the season. We saw that when a game is competitive, it's gonna be Derrick (who had the best game of his career) & Jake on the floor and I don't see beating Creighton, Xavier, Nova with that lineup.
Buzz had a great game plan in the 1st half and it worked so well he abandoned it at halftime. I believe JJJ & Dawson had a combined 7 minutes in the 2nd half and I also don't see that changing.
No he did not abandon the game plan. He played ten different guys even during the Providence 16-0 run and then he went with the upperclassmen. Because Cotton was being ineffective, Providence adjusted and went to Henton. Henton had 0 pts in the first half and went for 18 in 2nd half. That helped Cotton who started being more effective.
Maybe it was because Marquette won, but I liked the way the game was officiated. Let them play a little, but didn't get out of hand. Better than a lot of the previous games IMO.
Quote from: brandx on January 30, 2014, 09:37:50 PM
In the old BE, 20-11 gets you in. I don't think it does this year. They might have a chance with it if they win 2 BET games, but I still think they need the conf. title.
In the old BE 20-10 got us a 6 seed. 18-13 (9-9) got us in. Both of those records are without any BET games.
Two weeks ago I would have agreed with you, until I started checking out Lunardi's bracket. SMU and Saint Mary's are the last two in right now. THAT is how weak the field is at this point.
I think it is well known here that Jake is one of 4 players I strongly dislike. But I thought he was fine.
For his size and athleticism he does get some nice boards and can control the ball without panicking.
I truly thought tonights lead was a team effort and the breakdown was a team effort. The one person s I said and even he wasn't horrible was Juan. He didn't show much but wasn't very good.
Jake Thomas & Juan Anderson should NOT see the floor. I don't care if they work hard in practice, they aren't good enough to play for Marquette. Plain and simple.
As far as "vets" righting the ship. You need to rewind the tape. Marquette was up 17 when Buzz went back to the Wilson/Thomas back court and they made a run. I don't think its coincidental that Marquette had a great first half not playing Wilson and Thomas together.
I thought Buzz's choice of lineup in the second half was interesting. Against GT's zone, we went Dawson/Derrick, Thomas, Jamil, STJ, Gardner. Tonight we went Derrick, Jake, Mayo, Jamil, Gardner. I honestly wonder what the decision behind that was. Personally, I think STJ is way better at the high/low against a 2-3 compared to Jamil. Especially when it was evident Jake wasn't hitting from the outside, plus Providence was scoring on the inside and still getting offensive rebounds, swapping Jake for STJ makes sense to me.
Edit 1: Perhaps Buzz wanted 4 ball handlers in for the press?
Edit 2: 2nd half offensive ball movement against the zone was awful. We were really only effective offensively in the second half off providence misses (so they didn't have time to set up the press or zone)
Buzz doesn't seem to want Mayo on the floor without Jake. I first noticed it in the Butler game, but their minutes tend to coincide.
At this point, I think their best five is Wilson, Mayo, Wilson, Taylor, and Otule. Todd has played mature basketball the past couple games, and I like Taylor on the glass. Otule might not score as much, but does a great job sealing driving lanes for Todd and Jamil.
Regardless, glad to see Buzz give the frosh some run tonight. I think he got a little scared by JJJ's quick 3 early in the second half, and didn't want them to start chucking. Unfortunately, the energy level dropped without those guys on the floor, and it took awhile for the vets to pick it up.
Quote from: newsdrms on January 30, 2014, 10:05:45 PM
No he did not abandon the game plan. He played ten different guys even during the Providence 16-0 run and then he went with the upperclassmen. Because Cotton was being ineffective, Providence adjusted and went to Henton. Henton had 0 pts in the first half and went for 18 in 2nd half. That helped Cotton who started being more effective.
I believe Jake and Derrick had 34 out of 40 minutes in the 2nd half - in the first half, each of the 11 players had 7-12 minutes. Different game plan. Derrick
played well tonite and deserved the minutes, but it does not bode well down the road because we know which way Buzz will go.
Quote from: MUEagle1090 on January 30, 2014, 10:24:31 PM
In the old BE 20-10 got us a 6 seed. 18-13 (9-9) got us in. Both of those records are without any BET games.
Two weeks ago I would have agreed with you, until I started checking out Lunardi's bracket. SMU and Saint Mary's are the last two in right now. THAT is how weak the field is at this point.
That is the one thing we got going for us. But I can see 6-4, but have a hard time seeing 8-2.
It's easy to say negative things about Jake after tonight... but let us not forget some of the big shots he has hit in a few games that have single handedly kept us in some games this season as well. He's a streaky shooter and has the potential to get it going from beyond the arc... I agree that he didn't play well tonight but we still won. While I don't think he should play 30 minutes per game, there's no way that I can agree that the guy shouldn't be seeing the floor. He moves the ball quickly and plays hard on defense, even if his abilities are limited when it comes to the likes of JJJ... but even early in the game JJJ got beat on a backdoor cut to Cotton. I think he makes a good option off the bench to spell JJJ/Mayo and play 15-20 a game with more minutes if he's knocking his 3's down.
I like that Buzz shook things up a bit tonight; everyone contributed. Derrick played well. It wasn't always pretty but a solid W.
Quote from: chapman on January 30, 2014, 09:24:59 PM
JJJ. One of several loose balls, saves, and deflections he had. Hope Buzz sees them on tape since it's the kind of stuff he salivates over.
Yes he played good on the ball D and put on a lot of pressure. Hustled non-stop. Buzz loves that. But he also repeatedly lost his man when playing off the ball. Fortunately, the guy with the ball didn't see it, so no harm done...but Buzz hates that.
That's the reason some of these kids aren't playing more. They do some things great, but then give it all back with mistakes.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on January 30, 2014, 10:38:52 PM
As far as "vets" righting the ship. You need to rewind the tape. Marquette was up 17 when Buzz went back to the Wilson/Thomas back court and they made a run. I don't think its coincidental that Marquette had a great first half not playing Wilson and Thomas together.
I posted this in another thread but this is not true. Wilson left up 14 and returned up 3. The rest of the way MU was +8. So the Vets did right the ship.
According to stat sheet play-by-play, Wilson played from 20 to the 15:43 mark. Score 8-2. Team 8 points scored in 4:17 minutes
Dawson entered at 15:43. Dawson played until the 11:45 (4 minute run). He scored 2pts. Score 11-5. Team 3 points scored in 4 minutes
Wilson entered at 11:45 and played until 7:09 (4:30 run) Score is 20-10. Team 9 Points in 4:30.
Dawson game in a 7:09 and played until 4:54 score is 24-10 (2:15 run) Team 4 points
Wilson comes in a 4:54 and plays to 2:12 (2:40 run) score is 26-12 Team 2 points
Dawson from 2:12 - 1:46 (:26 run) score is 28-14 Team 2 points
Derrick 1:46 - :55 (~1:00 run) score is 31-14 Team 3 points
Dawson :55 - 0 (:55 run) score is 31-14 0 points
First half
Derrick 21pts for but 9 points scored against
Dawson 10 points and 5 points against
Second half
Wilson plays 20 - 15:02 Team points 6 Score 37-23
Dawson plays 15:02 - 11:33 (3:30) Team point 0 score 37-34
Wilson plays 11:33 - end of game Score 61-50 24 Team points
Derrick Wilson 30 points. Points against 25 points
Dawson 0 points Points against 11 points
Overall
Wilson 51 points while in game. 34 point against
Dawson 10 points while in game. 16 points against with 3:30 offensive dry spell and 11-0 run
Quote from: MUfan12 on January 30, 2014, 10:49:39 PM
At this point, I think their best five is Wilson, Mayo, Wilson, Taylor, and Otule. Todd has played mature basketball the past couple games, and I like Taylor on the glass. Otule might not score as much, but does a great job sealing driving lanes for Todd and Jamil.
What? Your best 5 does not include the team's leading scorer, who led the team in points again in tonight's win? Oh, and he leads the team in rebounding too. No way Otule is playing better than Gardner.
Quote from: Nevada233 on January 30, 2014, 08:26:02 PM
I told you to inbox me... You didnt.. so guess we didnt... because we never set the stakes....
Great game tho.... I wanna be wrong on that for the rest of the year... As long as we win...
Fair enough. But for the record I did respond in the thread and laid out my offer for stakes.
Quote from: Aircraftcarrier on January 30, 2014, 08:22:38 PM
I think the McDonalds All Americans should have received more minutes.
There's none on this team.
Quote from: hdog1017 on January 30, 2014, 09:19:01 PM
Juan Anderson rarely has any positives.
The one thing about Juan last night is that it looked like Buzz took his leash off and let him play. He was aggressive. He didn't accomplish much (anything), but I want every guy on the floor to have the mindset that it is OK to attack. I think it pays off in the long run.
Quote from: CTWarrior on January 31, 2014, 07:48:34 AM
The one thing about Juan last night is that it looked like Buzz took his leash off and let him play. He was aggressive. He didn't accomplish much (anything), but I want every guy on the floor to have the mindset that it is OK to attack. I think it pays off in the long run.
+1. While I totally understand playing within the system and to the scouting report, I don't like to see our guys playing scared. Aggressive but under control is the ideal - but it's a fine line not easy to walk.
Little discussed was Buzz's use of signs from the bench to let everyone know which pick and roll defense they were using against Cotton. Two things come to mind.
First, Awesome. Cotton never saw the same look twice in a row. He got his 20, but he didn't control the game and ended up with more TO's than assists. Credit to Buzz for having that many defenses of Pick and Roll and getting the team to commit to it last night.
Second, I can't help but think this is a response to the poor p-n-r defense MU played against Nova. Clearly, Nova is a more guard oriented team and have a lot more options. But I wonder if there weren't times where MU's defenders were not on the same page on how they were going to guard it, leading to bad help, bad rotations, etc.
Quote from: tower912 on January 31, 2014, 08:58:47 AM
Little discussed was Buzz's use of signs from the bench to let everyone know which pick and roll defense they were using against Cotton. Two things come to mind.
First, Awesome. Cotton never saw the same look twice in a row. He got his 20, but he didn't control the game and ended up with more TO's than assists. Credit to Buzz for having that many defenses of Pick and Roll and getting the team to commit to it last night.
Second, I can't help but think this is a response to the poor p-n-r defense MU played against Nova. Clearly, Nova is a more guard oriented team and have a lot more options. But I wonder if there weren't times where MU's defenders were not on the same page on how they were going to guard it, leading to bad help, bad rotations, etc.
commented in the gamechat about this. are we oregon football now?
(http://a.espncdn.com/media/motion/2010/1030/dm_101030_cfb_oregon_signs.jpg)
i haven't seen any other college bball teams use this. but it seems more effective than screaming to the other side of the court
I did see the comment during the game. Everything else is being dissected, why not the signs?
Quote from: tower912 on January 30, 2014, 08:54:47 PM
1. First half was the best half of basketball all year.
2. Buzz kept the substitutions going for better or worse in the second half, until it mattered.
3. Jake takes smart 3 pt shots. He cannot pass up wide open looks. JaJuan needs to understand context before jacking early 3's.
4. The experienced players plus Deonte played the last 10 minutes, as MU fended off the run. Well coached, Buzz.
5. If you look at the right 33 minutes, MU won 61-34
6. Todd and Davante down the stretch with FT's. Nice.
7. Defensive rebounding, free throws, early shot clock 3's. I think that is all I can complain about.
8. Providence just puts their shoulders down and dares the ref to call an offensive foul.
9. I liked the hockey style line changes.
10. Great effort by the entire team. Anyone still beating the dead horse until after Saturday's game is a damn fool. Let it go. They both played well.
11. For the first time this year, we shut down an opposing guard. OK, he got his 20, but he had lot's of TO's and couldn't lead their normal offense. As a matter of fact, it's the first time in 2-3 years we've done that. Well done Derrick, well done Dawson, well done JJJ, and especially well done to Buzz for developing a system.
Now, you've got another day to put in a system to stop D'Angelo Harrison.
Quote from: BallBoy on January 30, 2014, 11:44:38 PM
I posted this in another thread but this is not true. Wilson left up 14 and returned up 3. The rest of the way MU was +8. So the Vets did right the ship.
According to stat sheet play-by-play, Wilson played from 20 to the 15:43 mark. Score 8-2. Team 8 points scored in 4:17 minutes
Dawson entered at 15:43. Dawson played until the 11:45 (4 minute run). He scored 2pts. Score 11-5. Team 3 points scored in 4 minutes
Wilson entered at 11:45 and played until 7:09 (4:30 run) Score is 20-10. Team 9 Points in 4:30.
Dawson game in a 7:09 and played until 4:54 score is 24-10 (2:15 run) Team 4 points
Wilson comes in a 4:54 and plays to 2:12 (2:40 run) score is 26-12 Team 2 points
Dawson from 2:12 - 1:46 (:26 run) score is 28-14 Team 2 points
Derrick 1:46 - :55 (~1:00 run) score is 31-14 Team 3 points
Dawson :55 - 0 (:55 run) score is 31-14 0 points
First half
Derrick 21pts for but 9 points scored against
Dawson 10 points and 5 points against
Second half
Wilson plays 20 - 15:02 Team points 6 Score 37-23
Dawson plays 15:02 - 11:33 (3:30) Team point 0 score 37-34
Wilson plays 11:33 - end of game Score 61-50 24 Team points
Derrick Wilson 30 points. Points against 25 points
Dawson 0 points Points against 11 points
Overall
Wilson 51 points while in game. 34 point against
Dawson 10 points while in game. 16 points against with 3:30 offensive dry spell and 11-0 run
Good stuff. I'm not a Wilson hater and I don't think Dawson is very good. Both PGs are below average. I just hate the wilson/thomas/Jamil/Otule/Anderson lineup. Its so incredibly awful and easy to defend. I tried looking at Stat sheet and couldn't see who else was in the game during that run. Can you provide? It wasn't JUST a defensive issue like Buzz pinpoint. 15 points in 6 minutes is awful (Henton scored 10 of the 15), but Marquette was stuck on 37 from 17;26 to 11;33. Even scoring 1 point a minute keeps the lead at 9. Not scoring for 6 minutes of basketball is ridiculous, and it happens almost every game....sometimes multiple times in a game. Buzz doesn't need to play 10 or 11 guys to keep them happy. Juan & Jake should not see the floor. 8-9 guy rotation is perfect.
Quote from: BallBoy on January 30, 2014, 11:44:38 PM
I posted this in another thread but this is not true. Wilson left up 14 and returned up 3. The rest of the way MU was +8. So the Vets did right the ship.
According to stat sheet play-by-play, Wilson played from 20 to the 15:43 mark. Score 8-2. Team 8 points scored in 4:17 minutes
Dawson entered at 15:43. Dawson played until the 11:45 (4 minute run). He scored 2pts. Score 11-5. Team 3 points scored in 4 minutes
Wilson entered at 11:45 and played until 7:09 (4:30 run) Score is 20-10. Team 9 Points in 4:30.
Dawson game in a 7:09 and played until 4:54 score is 24-10 (2:15 run) Team 4 points
Wilson comes in a 4:54 and plays to 2:12 (2:40 run) score is 26-12 Team 2 points
Dawson from 2:12 - 1:46 (:26 run) score is 28-14 Team 2 points
Derrick 1:46 - :55 (~1:00 run) score is 31-14 Team 3 points
Dawson :55 - 0 (:55 run) score is 31-14 0 points
First half
Derrick 21pts for but 9 points scored against
Dawson 10 points and 5 points against
Second half
Wilson plays 20 - 15:02 Team points 6 Score 37-23
Dawson plays 15:02 - 11:33 (3:30) Team point 0 score 37-34
Wilson plays 11:33 - end of game Score 61-50 24 Team points
Derrick Wilson 30 points. Points against 25 points
Dawson 0 points Points against 11 points
Overall
Wilson 51 points while in game. 34 point against
Dawson 10 points while in game. 16 points against with 3:30 offensive dry spell and 11-0 run
Ballboy you should know better than to support DWilson around here, especially when you use actual facts.
The true all knowing MU fan knows that Derrick Wilson is to be blamed for EVERYTHING. Bad offense. Derrick Wilson's fault. Bad defense. Derrick Wilson's fault. Bad Weather. Derrick Wilson's fault. Bad economy. Derrick Wilson's fault. And conversely. How do you fix a bad MU offense, a bad MU defense, have warmer temps and less snow and create more higher paying jobs? Well you play Dawson 30+ minutes a game no matter what and if you don't you are probably stubborn, stupid or blind.
Hey I just want MU to win and I thought Buzz did a great job of getting us the win against a good Providence team. This team has a lot of very flawed players so there are no absolutes this year. So saying so and so has to get 30 plus minutes a game and so and so should not get any playing time is beyond STUPID!!!!!!
There will be games and times that Derrick Wilson will excel at and provide us the best chances to win. Same goes for Dawson and Otule and Thomas and the rest of the team. This is no easy 24 piece jigsaw puzzle that Buzz needs to figure out. It is one of those 1,000 piece 3-D jigsaw puzzles that might not get solved all season long.
For as good as Dawson looked at the end of the Georgetown game, I thought he didn't look good at all in the second half of last nights game. He lost his man on defense consistently, threw the ball away badly against an average full court pressure defense and failed to move and get open on an in-bounds play after a Providence make that forced us to call a time-out. All during a 4 minute stretch that saw our lead shrink from 14 to 3. Consequently he didn't get much run the rest of the game. It is what it is. I fully expect him to knock down some big shots and make some nice passes against St. Johns and if he plays well, he will get extended minutes.
Quote from: mufanatic on January 31, 2014, 10:29:48 AM
Ballboy you should know better than to support DWilson around here, especially when you use actual facts.
The true all knowing MU fan knows that Derrick Wilson is to be blamed for EVERYTHING. Bad offense. Derrick Wilson's fault. Bad defense. Derrick Wilson's fault. Bad Weather. Derrick Wilson's fault. Bad economy. Derrick Wilson's fault. And conversely. How do you fix a bad MU offense, a bad MU defense, have warmer temps and less snow and create more higher paying jobs? Well you play Dawson 30+ minutes a game no matter what and if you don't you are probably stubborn, stupid or blind.
Hey I just want MU to win and I thought Buzz did a great job of getting us the win against a good Providence team. This team has a lot of very flawed players so there are no absolutes this year. So saying so and so has to get 30 plus minutes a game and so and so should not get any playing time is beyond STUPID!!!!!!
There will be games and times that Derrick Wilson will excel at and provide us the best chances to win. Same goes for Dawson and Otule and Thomas and the rest of the team. This is no easy 24 piece jigsaw puzzle that Buzz needs to figure out. It is one of those 1,000 piece 3-D jigsaw puzzles that might not get solved all season long.
For as good as Dawson looked at the end of the Georgetown game, I thought he didn't look good at all in the second half of last nights game. He lost his man on defense consistently, threw the ball away badly against an average full court pressure defense and failed to move and get open on an in-bounds play after a Providence make that forced us to call a time-out. All during a 4 minute stretch that saw our lead shrink from 14 to 3. Consequently he didn't get much run the rest of the game. It is what it is. I fully expect him to knock down some big shots and make some nice passes against St. Johns and if he plays well, he will get extended minutes.
Sanity
Quote from: MUfan12 on January 30, 2014, 10:49:39 PM
Buzz doesn't seem to want Mayo on the floor without Jake. I first noticed it in the Butler game, but their minutes tend to coincide.
At this point, I think their best five is Wilson, Mayo, Wilson, Taylor, and Otule. Todd has played mature basketball the past couple games, and I like Taylor on the glass. Otule might not score as much, but does a great job sealing driving lanes for Todd and Jamil.
Regardless, glad to see Buzz give the frosh some run tonight. I think he got a little scared by JJJ's quick 3 early in the second half, and didn't want them to start chucking. Unfortunately, the energy level dropped without those guys on the floor, and it took awhile for the vets to pick it up.
How in the sh it can your best 5 possibly include Chris Otule?
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on January 31, 2014, 12:33:36 PM
How in the sh it can your best 5 possibly include Chris Otule?
You can't, but it is a posting on the internet where anything is possible.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on January 31, 2014, 12:33:36 PM
How in the sh it can your best 5 possibly include Chris Otule?
Easy. He's their best interior defender. Takes up a lot of space and seals driving lanes on offense. MU gets very little from the wings going to the hoop. Teams pack it in, since they're so poor from 3. Need all the help you can get creating space to attack.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on January 31, 2014, 12:33:36 PM
How in the sh it can your best 5 possibly include Chris Otule?
For the love of all that is holy, look at the last 10 minutes of last night's game. The answers are all there. Derrick, Jake, Todd, Jamil, and Davante, having all gotten decent rest because the rest of the team stepped up in the first half, entered the game and played almost all of the rest of the way. Deonte came in for Jamil for a minute or two after Jamil picked up his third foul. Otule came in for offensive/defensive switches with Davante. Jamil, Davante, and Todd got the lion's shares of shots and points. Jake had open looks at 3's and missed. I don't care, he has to take those. Buzz had gotten minutes and contributions from lots of other players. But it was winning time and Buzz put what he believes to be his best combination on the floor to win that game. That may not be the combination every game. Against G-town, Dawson earned the minutes and held onto the ball. Personally, I wanted Dawson in the game for free throws down the stretch. But you know what? Buzz decided to ride his upperclassmen the last 10 minutes. This is not a difficult, obscure, off the reservation concept to get your mind around. Everybody played well. MU won. Buzz went with experience down the stretch. Why the whining?
Quote from: tower912 on January 31, 2014, 01:00:39 PM
For the love of all that is holy, look at the last 10 minutes of last night's game. The answers are all there. Derrick, Jake, Todd, Jamil, and Davante, having all gotten decent rest because the rest of the team stepped up in the first half, entered the game and played almost all of the rest of the way. Deonte came in for Jamil for a minute or two after Jamil picked up his third foul. Otule came in for offensive/defensive switches with Davante. Jamil, Davante, and Todd got the lion's shares of shots and points. Jake had open looks at 3's and missed. I don't care, he has to take those. Buzz had gotten minutes and contributions from lots of other players. But it was winning time and Buzz put what he believes to be his best combination on the floor to win that game. That may not be the combination every game. Against G-town, Dawson earned the minutes and held onto the ball. Personally, I wanted Dawson in the game for free throws down the stretch. But you know what? Buzz decided to ride his upperclassmen the last 10 minutes. This is not a difficult, obscure, off the reservation concept to get your mind around. Everybody played well. MU won. Buzz went with experience down the stretch. Why the whining?
What does any of that rambling have to do with Otule being one of our Top 5 to be on the court.
Quote from: MUfan12 on January 31, 2014, 12:45:08 PM
Easy. He's their best interior defender. Takes up a lot of space and seals driving lanes on offense. MU gets very little from the wings going to the hoop. Teams pack it in, since they're so poor from 3. Need all the help you can get creating space to attack.
Alright, can't shoot, can't catch, can't rebound, has 1 eye, his defense is overrated, can't run, and defense is really one thing our team isn't bad at to begin with.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on January 31, 2014, 01:47:07 PM
What does any of that rambling have to do with Otule being one of our Top 5 to be on the court.
At crunch time, he wasn't on the court for extended minutes. He was only on the court for offensive/defensive switches. This is as it should be. He is one of MU's 5 best defenders. He is not one of MU's 5 best offensive players. The playing time in the last 10 minutes revealed who Buzz believes to be the best 5 all around players. Otule was not one of them.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on January 31, 2014, 01:48:23 PM
Alright, can't shoot, can't catch, can't rebound, has 1 eye, his defense is overrated, can't run, and defense is really one thing our team isn't bad at to begin with.
And he played 15 minutes. Can't really complain about a tall, smart, defensive player who plays 15 minutes. Especially since his strengths mirror Davante's weaknesses.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on January 31, 2014, 01:48:23 PM
Alright, can't shoot, can't catch, can't rebound, has 1 eye, his defense is overrated, can't run, and defense is really one thing our team isn't bad at to begin with.
There are some real winners on this board.