Derrick is an elite defender
John turned ball over twice against Butler in 4 minutes - that's two empty possessions and game was tied at end of regulation..can't afford to give possessions away...and went on to say everybody says Derrick can't shoot and he went 6-13 in that game...but of course Buzz failed to mention Derrick's 5 turnovers for the game.
Difference between Butler OT, Nova OT, and Georgetown OT was that we were able to get stops in the G'Town game...no mention of Dawson being clutch...and ironically, the GTown OT was largely played all by Dawson and not the elite defender Derrick.
Said Ryan A ran circles around us...single handidly won that game for Nova through his own offensive production and how he orchestrated the team.
Said Mayo has ice water in his veins, has scorers mentality, yet still would like to see a little more defensive consistency from Todd....and that Jake gives 100% at all times on both ends of the court..which is what's being rewarded. Said they both have been inconsistent..Jake 4-6 G'Town, yet 0-2 against Nova, and 1-8 against Butler. (Funny Dawson played in the GTown game) Said same for Todd - wasn't good against Butler, nor Georgetown most of the game..but hit clutch shot, and then played great against Nova. Still didn't answer question of would Todd or Dawson be more consistent if they got consistent minutes - much the way Jake and Derrick have been given?
Thinks team still has a run left in it. Guys still taking right attitude. Steve Taylor good against zones, and that he was better against Nova than he'd been in a long time prior to GTown game.
Said he'll continue to try to figure it out, that Dawson has been getting more PT of late.
It is quite evident from listening that Buzz seems hell bent on proving he can win with Derrick running the point - seems to highlight all of Derrick's positives - and speaks to none of his negatives...yet had no problem mentioning John's 2 turnovers against Butler. Did say again, however, that Dawson was very good against Gtown...but can he play that way all the time? And that he has a hard time letting the young guys play through their mistakes...as it could be difference between winning and losing.
Buzz needs to bite the bullet....and just roll with Dawson and Mayo for 30 and see what happens. It won't get worse...hard to actually get much worse when you have just 1 win over a Top 50 team.
Quote from: Ners on January 29, 2014, 07:13:52 PM
Derrick is an elite defender
John turned ball over twice against Butler in 4 minutes - that's two empty possessions and game was tied at end of regulation..can't afford to give possessions away...and went on to say everybody says Derrick can't shoot and he went 6-13 in that game...but of course Buzz failed to mention Derrick's 5 turnovers for the game.
Difference between Butler OT, Nova OT, and Georgetown OT was that we were able to get stops in the G'Town game...no mention of Dawson being clutch...and ironically, the GTown OT was largely played all by Dawson and not the elite defender Derrick.
Said Ryan A ran circles around us...single handidly won that game for Nova through his own offensive production and how he orchestrated the team.
Said Mayo has ice water in his veins, has scorers mentality, yet still would like to see a little more defensive consistency from Todd....and that Jake gives 100% at all times on both ends of the court..which is what's being rewarded. Said they both have been inconsistent..Jake 4-6 G'Town, yet 0-2 against Nova, and 1-8 against Butler. (Funny Dawson played in the GTown game) Said same for Todd - wasn't good against Butler, nor Georgetown most of the game..but hit clutch shot, and then played great against Nova. Still didn't answer question of would Todd or Dawson be more consistent if they got consistent minutes - much the way Jake and Derrick have been given?
Thinks team still has a run left in it. Guys still taking right attitude. Steve Taylor good against zones, and that he was better against Nova than he'd been in a long time prior to GTown game.
Said he'll continue to try to figure it out, that Dawson has been getting more PT of late.
It is quite evident from listening that Buzz seems hell bent on proving he can win with Derrick running the point - seems to highlight all of Derrick's positives - and speaks to none of his negatives...yet had no problem mentioning John's 2 turnovers against Butler. Did say again, however, that Dawson was very good against Gtown...but can he play that way all the time? And that he has a hard time letting the young guys play through their mistakes...as it could be difference between winning and losing.
Buzz needs to bite the bullet....and just roll with Dawson and Mayo for 30 and see what happens. It won't get worse...hard to actually get much worse when you have just 1 win over a Top 50 team.
More pure BS from Buzzspeak. Derrick "an Elite defender"? Well Scoopers, have you heard the latest from the slurp king? What a joke.
Start praying.
As much as he wants to prove he can win with Derrick playing big minutes, he's doing the same with Chris. Davante needs more minutes and Chris needs less. But, we all know that won't happen.
Link?
Quote from: Class71 on January 29, 2014, 07:17:29 PM
Start praying.
Hope we can get at least get Lottery Pick out of this laughable Season.....
Heres the link....
http://espnmilwaukee.com/common/page.php?pt=av_marquettebball&id=431
I don't know why anyone bothers, but the whole we know better than Buzz crowd -- you have lost your freaking minds. It is an absolute joke reading the constant undermining of all of Buzz's explanations for why players play and why players don't play.
I mean really, dead set on proving he can win with Derrick? Like he's trying to increase the degree of difficulty to prove how awesome he is?
Take a step back for a minute and really think about it, maybe you will realize how ridiculous that sounds.
Yes, Derrick Thomas was an elite defender....as was Derrick Brooks.
He also said "..But Archie wore Derrick out". But he is Buzz's elite defender. What a laughable pile of horse hockey.
if this is an accurate portrayal of what Buzz actually said - very disappointing, shows the bias / stubbornness to Wilson.
Really will be difficult to watch the rest of the year...
Quote from: madtownwarrior on January 29, 2014, 07:42:05 PM
if this is an accurate portrayal of what Buzz actually said - very disappointing, shows the bias / stubbornness to Wilson.
Really will be difficult to watch the rest of the year...
That is what he said. "For me Derrick is an elite defender..but Archie wore him out" Reality radio at its best. Surreal from da coach.
Quote from: buzzchiapet on January 29, 2014, 07:30:42 PM
As much as he wants to prove he can win with Derrick playing big minutes, he's doing the same with Chris. Davante needs more minutes and Chris needs less. But, we all know that won't happen.
How many more minutes do want Davante to play. He will drop dead.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 29, 2014, 07:45:42 PM
That is what he said. "For me Derrick is an elite defender..but Archie wore him out" Reality radio at its best. Surreal from da coach.
If he's an Elite Defender Dylan Flood is a Lottery Pick in the 2014 NBA Draft.....
Quote from: bradley center bat on January 29, 2014, 07:46:37 PM
How many more minutes do want Davante to play. He will drop dead.
Some scoopers will drop dead at Buzz's latest hallucination on Derrick.
It is what it is.
Some other things...
It's very clear that he feels that his team has a lot of inconsistent players, and that he tries to get everyone in the game to see if they are going to be good that particular day, but when push comes to shove he's going to go with his best defensive players.
Also said that he feels he has a good pulse on his team and where they sit emotionally, and considers this one of the strengths of his staff.
He says that MU is scoring enough to win. The problem is on the defensive end of the court.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 29, 2014, 07:45:42 PM
That is what he said. "For me Derrick is an elite defender..but Archie wore him out" Reality radio at its best. Surreal from da coach.
Not going to argue the elite statement, but it was clear that Archie did wear out Derrick. He simply played too many minutes.
Quote from: murara1994 on January 29, 2014, 07:34:43 PM
I don't know why anyone bothers, but the whole we know better than Buzz crowd -- you have lost your freaking minds. It is an absolute joke reading the constant undermining of all of Buzz's explanations for why players play and why players don't play.
It really has gotten ridiculous.
Quote from: bradley center bat on January 29, 2014, 07:46:37 PM
How many more minutes do want Davante to play. He will drop dead.
Maybe the 2 minutes where Buzz switches out Chris 21 times for defense.
listened to the podcast:
"Elite on the ball defender" is the exact quote - really Buzz?
Buzz can seemingly justify all his lineup choices...
too bad his record is 11 - 9... maybe something is not right Buzz?
"say he does a great job managing the ebbs and flows and the pulse of all the players / program"
hmm, what about all the program turnover?
think we lose tomorrow night as "they have won 5 in a row"
Quote from: madtownwarrior on January 29, 2014, 08:09:44 PM
listened to the podcast:
"Elite on the ball defender" is the exact quote - really Buzz?
Buzz can seemingly justify all his lineup choices...
too bad his record is 11 - 9... maybe something is not right Buzz?
"say he does a great job managing the ebbs and flows and the pulse of all the players / program"
hmm, what about all the program turnover?
think we lose tomorrow night as "they have won 5 in a row"
That's right, his record is 11-9 this year. Just ignore all the success he's had prior to this year. Last year he was smart, now he's dumb.
This type of logic makes me embarrassed as an MU fan/alum. If you got your degree from Marquette, you are devaluing my degree with every post.
For those criticizing Buzz for praising Derek and limiting his praise on Dawson. Do you think maybe Buzz realizes that there is enough criticism of Derek, so what would piling on really do for the team? Buzz feels that Derrick gives him the best chance to win, so he's gonna continue to roll with him. Derek's confidence is low enough without the coach highlighting his shortcomings on the radio. You praise your players who are struggling to help boost their confidence
What do you want? For Buzz to publicly slam Derrick? How will that help exactly?
Quote from: murara1994 on January 29, 2014, 08:14:16 PM
That's right, his record is 11-9 this year. Just ignore all the success he's had prior to this year. Last year he was smart, now he's dumb.
This type of logic makes me embarrassed as an MU fan/alum. If you got your degree from Marquette, you are devaluing my degree with every post.
Really amazing.
It's like madtown, Ners, Nevada, mubuzz, willie, etc. have become a cult with their self-reinforcing posts.
Seriously in a post about Buzz's radio show, Ners mentions John Dawson *nine* times. I doubt Buzz mentioned him half that. The obsession is incredible.
So at 11 - 9, this year is going well? Picked to win the conference and shooting for .500 now?
Did you take logic at Marquette?
So Buzz is great and it's on the players? Who recruited those players?
'
Buzz slurpers - Buzz has to either take some blame for the record due to coaching and/or recruiting?
Quote from: murara1994 on January 29, 2014, 08:14:16 PM
That's right, his record is 11-9 this year. Just ignore all the success he's had prior to this year. Last year he was smart, now he's dumb.
This type of logic makes me embarrassed as an MU fan/alum. If you got your degree from Marquette, you are devaluing my degree with every post.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 29, 2014, 08:19:09 PM
Really amazing.
It's like madtown, Ners, Nevada, mubuzz, willie, etc. have become a cult with their self-reinforcing posts.
Seriously in a post about Buzz's radio show, Ners mentions John Dawson *nine* times. I doubt Buzz mentioned him half that. The obsession is incredible.
You act like i personally create topics... all I do is chime in with the Truth.... At this point it doesnt matter to me who starts or plays... But I know who they not gonna win with... 11-9 shows that... and 11-10 after tomorrow will prove to you even more.... Like I cant believe you guys think Derrick and Jake are a good back court or even worthy of being starters.... They wouldn't start at any other Division 1 school and would be hard pressed to start at a Division 2 school...
None of them even have a chance to even sniff the D league... At least the Frosh can be developed... but Sultan I digress your probably Buzz Williams anyway... so I apologize coach for questioning your decisions...
Go Marquette N.I.T Bound!!!!
Quote from: Nevada233 on January 29, 2014, 08:25:58 PM
You act like i personally create topics... all I do is chime in with the Truth....
See? A cult. Treats opinion like fact and even capitalizes it.
Pass out the kool aid.
Quote from: madtownwarrior on January 29, 2014, 08:24:38 PM
So at 11 - 9, this year is going well? Picked to win the conference and shooting for .500 now?
Did you take logic at Marquette?
So Buzz is great and it's on the players? Who recruited those players?
'
Buzz slurpers - Buzz has to either take some blame for the record due to coaching and/or recruiting?
Nobody said the season is going well. But Buzz is still great. The former proposition does not preclude the latter. How's that for logic?
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 29, 2014, 08:30:15 PM
See? A cult. Treats opinion like fact and even capitalizes it.
Pass out the kool aid.
If anyone ever said your not a good guy.. Their a Liar.. I honestly like going back and forth with you....
you never back down... lol.. keep it consistent Sultan!
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 29, 2014, 08:19:09 PM
Really amazing.
It's like madtown, Ners, Nevada, mubuzz, willie, etc. have become a cult with their self-reinforcing posts.
Seriously in a post about Buzz's radio show, Ners mentions John Dawson *nine* times. I doubt Buzz mentioned him half that. The obsession is incredible.
I still wouldn't trade Buzz for any other coach in the country - still love the guy. As I've said, it doesn't mean you can't disagree with a coach you admire and think highly of in general. Nor does the fact Buzz has gotten great results in the past, mean that every coaching decision he makes is right.
The logic is simply this: We are 11-9. The team hasn't shown improvement under Derrick's direction and Jake getting max minutes at the 2G. Derrick has had ample opportunity to show he can get results. They aren't happening. Buzz has given John Dawson exactly 1 game of 30 minutes out of 20, and in that game he produced quite well, and showed a lot of skills you simply aren't going to see from Derrick - namely making 3 point shots, and then shot faking off a 3, to dribble into a pull up mid range 2. Also a nice jump stop/hop, half hook floater. Plus we won the game.
There is no substitute for getting long stretches of playing time in basketball. If you know your coach is going to give you 30 minutes night in, night out...and ride with you through some mistakes AND YOU HAVE TALENT - you will produce...
It's like madtown, Ners, Nevada, mubuzz, willie, etc. have become a cult with their self-reinforcing posts.
Maybe some see the light that Buzz is falliable for recruiting errors / transfer issues, maybe potential bad lineup decisions.
It's not that we don't like Buzz, but we don't slurp that he is infallible cause he had success the past years,...
It's possible Buzz is underachieving this year...
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 29, 2014, 08:19:09 PM
Really amazing.
It's like madtown, Ners, Nevada, mubuzz, willie, etc. have become a cult with their self-reinforcing posts.
Seriously in a post about Buzz's radio show, Ners mentions John Dawson *nine* times. I doubt Buzz mentioned him half that. The obsession is incredible.
You guys do realize that somebody can be a great defender and still have a bad game defending right?
I have seen Ray Allen have some horrible shooting games.....does that mean if his coach calls him a great shooter after the game he is "laughable"?
Dominic James was the best point guard defender I have seen at MU....he had games were the other guy torched him....it happens.
But hey we get it...Derrick Wilson can't shoot so he shouldn't play. Buzz shouldn't defend him because if he would only admit that Derrick stinks somehow he will get better and/or Dawson will be more ready to take over.....
This team is short in the backcourt.......the upperclassman aren't very good and the freshmen are inconsistent, take bad shots and struggle on defense....
Quote from: madtownwarrior on January 29, 2014, 08:09:44 PM
think we lose tomorrow night as "they have won 5 in a row"
Four of the five have been at home. The fifth took two overtimes at St. John's, when they were playing some of their worst ball. With the elite defender/Buzz's man crush completely shutting down Cotton we should roll.
Quote from: chapman on January 29, 2014, 08:44:28 PM
Four of the five have been at home. The fifth took two overtimes at St. John's, when they were playing some of their worst ball. With the elite defender/Buzz's man crush completely shutting down Cotton we should roll.
Cotton will go for 25-30. Lol
Quote from: Nevada233 on January 29, 2014, 08:25:58 PM
You act like i personally create topics... all I do is chime in with the Truth.... At this point it doesnt matter to me who starts or plays... But I know who they not gonna win with... 11-9 shows that... and 11-10 after tomorrow will prove to you even more.... Like I cant believe you guys think Derrick and Jake are a good back court or even worthy of being starters.... They wouldn't start at any other Division 1 school and would be hard pressed to start at a Division 2 school...
None of them even have a chance to even sniff the D league... At least the Frosh can be developed... but Sultan I digress your probably Buzz Williams anyway... so I apologize coach for questioning your decisions...
Go Marquette N.I.T Bound!!!!
Nice post! I want you on my team.
Quote from: Ners on January 29, 2014, 07:13:52 PM
Derrick is an elite defender
Said Ryan A ran circles around us...single handidly won that game for Nova through his own offensive production and how he orchestrated the team.
So wouldn't it make sense to put Derrick on Ryan A? He is an elite defender after all and Ryan A is the opposing PG.
Or to just get Derrick out of the game?
Quote from: madtownwarrior on January 29, 2014, 08:42:08 PM
It's like madtown, Ners, Nevada, mubuzz, willie, etc. have become a cult with their self-reinforcing posts.
Maybe some see the light that Buzz is falliable for recruiting errors / transfer issues, maybe potential bad lineup decisions.
It's not that we don't like Buzz, but we don't slurp that he is infallible cause he had success the past years,...
It's possible Buzz is underachieving this year...
Please quote any one that is saying this team is performing at an acceptable level or that Buzz is without fault. Not a great year for Buzz, or the team...some through their own fault some through bad luck and misfortune. However the crowd going after Buzz, yourself included seemingly won't be satisfied until all of MU is burned down to the ground. It's a bad year, we get, why revel in it? The team will be better next year and this year their is room for improvement which hopefully we'll see some of. I'm willing to bet over the next 3 games you see some moderate changes.
I just don't get the crowd that just goes bonkers over how bad this team is and dumb Buzz is. What's the point really? Is it therapy for you guys? how many threads have been started by Ners and others about Dawson vs Derrick, is it really necessary? I get it's a message board but I don't get what all the vitriol is about.
Quote from: mu03eng on January 29, 2014, 09:38:08 PM
Please quote any one that is saying this team is performing at an acceptable level or that Buzz is without fault. Not a great year for Buzz, or the team...some through their own fault some through bad luck and misfortune. However the crowd going after Buzz, yourself included seemingly won't be satisfied until all of MU is burned down to the ground. It's a bad year, we get, why revel in it? The team will be better next year and this year their is room for improvement which hopefully we'll see some of. I'm willing to bet over the next 3 games you see some moderate changes.
I just don't get the crowd that just goes bonkers over how bad this team is and dumb Buzz is. What's the point really? Is it therapy for you guys? how many threads have been started by Ners and others about Dawson vs Derrick, is it really necessary? I get it's a message board but I don't get what all the vitriol is about.
As I reflect...I'm pulling a Buzz and am driving myself insane. I keep making the same argument over and over and over again, and expect different results from the dissenting minority on the topic.
Much like Buzz continues to trot out the same backcourt for 27+ minutes per game, and thinking things are going to change. How's that definition of insanity go: Keep doing the same thing over and over again yet expecting different results?
I'd say Buzz has to be at the point of the gif Reinko shared earlier as well - the odd thing is he has the power to make the change, and the one game a radical change was made - we got arguably our best win of the year - on the road at G'Town. Why not try it some more??!!
Quote from: Ners on January 29, 2014, 09:42:48 PMWhy not try it some more??!!
Because he doesn't think it'll work. He sees these guys in practice every day and doesn't believe that's the answer. He might be wrong. That doesn't make your relentless, demeaning opinions right. They're just guesses based on a single data point.
So please: you continue to quote the definition of insanity and that you're driving yourself crazy. Stop. Stop posting if that's what it takes. But honest to god enough already.
Quote from: Ners on January 29, 2014, 08:35:57 PM
I still wouldn't trade Buzz for any other coach in the country - still love the guy.
Thank God he's not your second favorite coach. This place would be post apocalyptic.
Quote from: buzzchiapet on January 29, 2014, 07:30:42 PM
As much as he wants to prove he can win with Derrick playing big minutes, he's doing the same with Chris. Davante needs more minutes and Chris needs less. But, we all know that won't happen.
Davante's minutes last six games:
39, 40, 42, 34, 37, 35.
As it is, he's tired at the end of every game. And you want him to play more? Did you ever think that he was so effective his first three seasons in great part because he didn't have to play so many minutes?
So...............how are our Lady Golden Eagles doing? Cause this Derrick crap is getting old. From Sultan to Ners to TAMU to Willie to who knows, but we definitely need something else to talk about. I'm on the Dawson side, but how much can you say? I've moved on to focusing on the more positive Steve Taylor comeback. Hopefully I can stay there.
Quote from: Utile et Dulce on January 29, 2014, 09:57:55 PM
Because he doesn't think it'll work. He sees these guys in practice every day and doesn't believe that's the answer. He might be wrong. That doesn't make your relentless, demeaning opinions right. They're just guesses based on a single data point.
So please: you continue to quote the definition of insanity and that you're driving yourself crazy. Stop. Stop posting if that's what it takes. But honest to god enough already.
Fair enough. But I would modify your statement to say it isn't a guess based on a single data point - I've liked what I've seen from Dawson in 5 games he's gotten 10+ minutes. I haven't seen anything from Derrick in the 17 games he's gotten 27+ minutes that leads me to believe he's the better candidate to run the team at PG...and I'll leave it at that.
Quote from: bradley center bat on January 29, 2014, 09:15:42 PM
Nice post! I want you on my team.
Touche' im on your team!
We should go to Miluwakee to see the Senior Day Game against St Johns.
We can all meet up, First round on me to quait the pain of this dissapointing season and hopeful N.I.T. Birth.
Quote from: Ners on January 29, 2014, 08:35:57 PM
I still wouldn't trade Buzz for any other coach in the country - still love the guy. As I've said, it doesn't mean you can't disagree with a coach you admire and think highly of in general. Nor does the fact Buzz has gotten great results in the past, mean that every coaching decision he makes is right.
The logic is simply this: We are 11-9. The team hasn't shown improvement under Derrick's direction and Jake getting max minutes at the 2G. Derrick has had ample opportunity to show he can get results. They aren't happening. Buzz has given John Dawson exactly 1 game of 30 minutes out of 20, and in that game he produced quite well, and showed a lot of skills you simply aren't going to see from Derrick - namely making 3 point shots, and then shot faking off a 3, to dribble into a pull up mid range 2. Also a nice jump stop/hop, half hook floater. Plus we won the game.
There is no substitute for getting long stretches of playing time in basketball. If you know your coach is going to give you 30 minutes night in, night out...and ride with you through some mistakes AND YOU HAVE TALENT - you will produce...
Ners, I've actually enjoyed going back and forth with you on this topic. I think you're right on a number of things. However, I really feel like you're shouting into the wind with your opinion. We'd all like MU to win, through whichever players/strategy gets us to win. But, regardless of what we all want or think, Buzz is going to run his team how he wants to run his team. I haven't agreed with multiple things Buzz has done throughout his tenure. I can understand your passion and frustration with this topic. Let's hope things turn around one way or another.
Edit: On the plus side, I'm glad we're all conversing over here and not biting on PhillyCoach's troll post.
Quote from: mu03eng on January 29, 2014, 09:38:08 PM
Please quote any one that is saying this team is performing at an acceptable level or that Buzz is without fault. Not a great year for Buzz, or the team...some through their own fault some through bad luck and misfortune. However the crowd going after Buzz, yourself included seemingly won't be satisfied until all of MU is burned down to the ground. It's a bad year, we get, why revel in it? The team will be better next year and this year their is room for improvement which hopefully we'll see some of. I'm willing to bet over the next 3 games you see some moderate changes.
I just don't get the crowd that just goes bonkers over how bad this team is and dumb Buzz is. What's the point really? Is it therapy for you guys? how many threads have been started by Ners and others about Dawson vs Derrick, is it really necessary? I get it's a message board but I don't get what all the vitriol is about.
+1. This is best post in the thread. I have no idea why Ners, willie, Dread, madtown, Hayward etc still bother with the constant b1tching over and over about the same points. We get it. My only guess is that having everyone read their regurgitated negative talk somehow is therapeutic for them. There is no reason to make the same point 10-15 times in a thread, not to mention injecting it in EVERY thread. Ignore button or not, it's really making Scoop hard to read.
Quote from: wardle2wade on January 30, 2014, 03:10:36 AM
+1. This is best post in the thread. I have no idea why Ners, willie, Dread, madtown, Hayward etc still bother with the constant b1tching over and over about the same points. We get it. My only guess is that having everyone read their regurgitated negative talk somehow is therapeutic for them. There is no reason to make the same point 10-15 times in a thread, not to mention injecting it in EVERY thread. Ignore button or not, it's really making Scoop hard to read.
TOTALLY AGREE. Let it effin go. You've made your point.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 29, 2014, 07:56:02 PM
It really has gotten ridiculous.
Diversion from the warts being revealed!
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 29, 2014, 08:30:15 PM
See? A cult. Treats opinion like fact and even capitalizes it.
Pass out the kool aid.
You pass it out--you drink it all the time. What is ridiculous is that the apologists keep apologizing. Give it a rest and maybe some of the others will quit pointing out the ridiculous and insanity currnently being pronounced.
Quote from: wardle2wade on January 30, 2014, 03:10:36 AM
+1. This is best post in the thread. I have no idea why Ners, willie, Dread, madtown, Hayward etc still bother with the constant b1tching over and over about the same points. We get it. My only guess is that having everyone read their regurgitated negative talk somehow is therapeutic for them. There is no reason to make the same point 10-15 times in a thread, not to mention injecting it in EVERY thread. Ignore button or not, it's really making Scoop hard to read.
It has become virtually unreadable. I would estimate I spend about 20% of the time i used to here. There is really little/no reason to come here any more. It has pretty much become the most boring/tedious place on the internets.
Of course now it seems to be morphing into a DJ Newbill rehash, so at least that's fresh and interesting. ::)
Quote from: Ners on January 29, 2014, 09:42:48 PM
As I reflect...I'm pulling a Buzz and am driving myself insane. I keep making the same argument over and over and over again, and expect different results from the dissenting minority on the topic.
Ners, here is where I think the disconnect is. The VAST majority of the board, I'd darn say the entire board doesn't think Derrick is the answer. I think 99.9% (I don't like absolutes) of the board would like to see some sort of modification of the PG and SG minutes. However, you seem to think there is some cabal on the board that loves Derrick and sees no evil.
What I think the majority of the board of the board disagrees with you on is the presentment that if Dawson gets 30+ minutes everything will be good. Or the concept that we have to play somebody 30 minutes a game to know if they are any good. Or just the way the arguments are crafted ("you can't use a small sample size"...."the one time he played 30+ min we won, see it works").
Lastly, for me anyway, is the way your crowd presents it, forces everyone else to be defensive and admittedly childishly lash out(that's on us). I don't know what to call the Willie crowd, but it's presented as Buzz is either an idiot(because he doesn't know Dawson is better) or he is a stubborn, bad coach(because he refuses to play Dawson). If you disagree with either of those assessments you are a kool-aid drinker.
The answer can simple be this is a very average team with limited room for growth no matter who you roll out there. Some of it has been coaching decisions and some of it has been bad luck or poor choices by college kids.
Quote from: Nevada233 on January 29, 2014, 08:34:04 PM
If anyone ever said your you're not a good guy.. Their They're a Liar.. I honestly like going back and forth with you....
you never back down... lol.. keep it consistent Sultan!
FIFY. I know this is a message board and some of the people on here may still be in college or even younger, but did they stop teaching remedial English to middle school kids? Typos are one thing for a message board, but I find it hard to believe that people who are either at MU or have graduated from MU are this bad with English.
This is not just directed at 233, but to those who daily say the same message....We get the frustration with the lineups Buzz has on the floor. We get the frustration of a loss when it was close to being a W. But to post multiple times per day on the same subject in the same, and different, threads, makes this board difficult to read. I realize there is an "ignore" button and I and others do use it. But I'm understanding why others, who actually had interesting content to post, have gone away from Scoop. It's the daily vitriol on the same subjects.
Edit: Navin's right. Unfortunately, Scoop has become a boring place to be.
Quote from: mu03eng on January 30, 2014, 07:59:44 AM
I don't know what to call the Willie crowd...
The Whiney Bitch Brigade...wanting to believe that there are easy answers to complex problems.
Quote from: mu03eng on January 30, 2014, 07:59:44 AM
Ners, here is where I think the disconnect is. The VAST majority of the board, I'd darn say the entire board doesn't think Derrick is the answer. I think 99.9% (I don't like absolutes) of the board would like to see some sort of modification of the PG and SG minutes. However, you seem to think there is some cabal on the board that loves Derrick and sees no evil.
What I think the majority of the board of the board disagrees with you on is the presentment that if Dawson gets 30+ minutes everything will be good. Or the concept that we have to play somebody 30 minutes a game to know if they are any good. Or just the way the arguments are crafted ("you can't use a small sample size"...."the one time he played 30+ min we won, see it works").
Lastly, for me anyway, is the way your crowd presents it, forces everyone else to be defensive and admittedly childishly lash out(that's on us). I don't know what to call the Willie crowd, but it's presented as Buzz is either an idiot(because he doesn't know Dawson is better) or he is a stubborn, bad coach(because he refuses to play Dawson). If you disagree with either of those assessments you are a kool-aid drinker.
The correct term is "slurper."
And this post is pretty much spot on. Honestly, even though I have repeatedly acknowledged Derrick's down side and said that he is at best average, I'm labelled "pro-Derrick" because I don't agree with giving 30+ minutes to Dawson.
It reminds me of the political debates we have now in this country where there is no middle ground. Either you're with us completely, or you are the enemy. No shades of gray allowed.
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on January 30, 2014, 08:02:17 AM
FIFY. I know this is a message board and some of the people on here may still be in college or even younger, but did they stop teaching remedial English to middle school kids? Typos are one thing for a message board, but I find it hard to believe that people who are either at MU or have graduated from MU are this bad with English.
This is not just directed at 233, but to those who daily say the same message....We get the frustration with the lineups Buzz has on the floor. We get the frustration of a loss when it was close to being a W. But to post multiple times per day on the same subject in the same, and different, threads, makes this board difficult to read. I realize there is an "ignore" button and I and others do use it. But I'm understanding why others, who actually had interesting content to post, have gone away from Scoop. It's the daily vitriol on the same subjects.
Edit: Navin's right. Unfortunately, Scoop has become a boring place to be.
Most of us are usually on the go when replying and have other things to do besides worry about grammar on a Basketball Forum. If you dont want to read what someone says just hit "Ignore" and done ive done it. Most recently with someone named Atticus he has no idea about basketball, but anyway I do agree some of the topics on here are getting drug out if we gonna lose with Derrick lets just continue to lose. After tonite there will be 20 more Dawson should start posts. Is that gonna change much probably not, so im done beating a dead horse.
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on January 30, 2014, 08:02:17 AM
FIFY. I know this is a message board and some of the people on here may still be in college or even younger, but did they stop teaching remedial English to middle school kids? Typos are one thing for a message board, but I find it hard to believe that people who are either at MU or have graduated from MU are this bad with English.
This is not just directed at 233, but to those who daily say the same message....We get the frustration with the lineups Buzz has on the floor. We get the frustration of a loss when it was close to being a W. But to post multiple times per day on the same subject in the same, and different, threads, makes this board difficult to read. I realize there is an "ignore" button and I and others do use it. But I'm understanding why others, who actually had interesting content to post, have gone away from Scoop. It's the daily vitriol on the same subjects.
Edit: Navin's right. Unfortunately, Scoop has become a boring place to be.
Pretty much everything you say is right (as are similar comments by others), including that nobody seems to know the difference between there, their and they're, as well as to, too and two.
However, I will amplify one thing: The ignore button is very underrated. I started using it on willie for the first time a couple weeks ago and it has enhanced my Scoop experience. Might be time to deploy it on a few others, too.
And I'm not talking about Ners; yeah, he keeps going back to the same silliness, but at least he never tries to claim that Buzz is worthless, has never done anything good for MU and deserves to be fired.
So
theirs,
they'res,
theyrz, there's no reason to ignore Ners.
Quote from: Ners on January 29, 2014, 09:42:48 PM
As I reflect...I'm pulling a Buzz and am driving myself insane. I keep making the same argument over and over and over again, and expect different results from the dissenting minority on the topic.
Much like Buzz continues to trot out the same backcourt for 27+ minutes per game, and thinking things are going to change. How's that definition of insanity go: Keep doing the same thing over and over again yet expecting different results?
I'd say Buzz has to be at the point of the gif Reinko shared earlier as well - the odd thing is he has the power to make the change, and the one game a radical change was made - we got arguably our best win of the year - on the road at G'Town. Why not try it some more??!!
You have the power to make a change too - recognize that Buzz is saying this team will succeed or fail with Derrick running the point, and (if you are the true MU fan I assume you are) cheer like he!! for us to win with him instead of criticizing his game in nearly every post.
Otherwise, you're being that gif Reinko showed too....
Quote from: MU82 on January 30, 2014, 08:52:00 AM
Pretty much everything you say is right (as are similar comments by others), including that nobody seems to know the difference between there, their and they're, as well as to, too and two.
However, I will amplify one thing: The ignore button is very underrated. I started using it on willie for the first time a couple weeks ago and it has enhanced my Scoop experience. Might be time to deploy it on a few others, too.
And I'm not talking about Ners; yeah, he keeps going back to the same silliness, but at least he never tries to claim that Buzz is worthless, has never done anything good for MU and deserves to be fired.
So theirs, they'res, theyrz, there's no reason to ignore Ners.
Ners is pretty cool I think and there are, theres, thurr, their, there is 100 people id ignore before him.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on January 30, 2014, 08:55:40 AM
You have the power to make a change too - recognize that Buzz is saying this team will succeed or fail with Derrick running the point, and (if you are the true MU fan I assume you are) cheer like he!! for us to win with him instead of criticizing his game in nearly every post.
Otherwise, you're being that gif Reinko showed too....
Indeed Im actually looking forward to Duane and Dawson life after Derrick. . . Because this current team is win or lose with Derrick. Period
Quote from: MU82 on January 30, 2014, 08:52:00 AM
However, I will amplify one thing: The ignore button is very underrated. I started using it on willie for the first time a couple weeks ago and it has enhanced my Scoop experience. Might be time to deploy it on a few others, too.
Never been a fan of the ignore button, but on you're recommendation, I'll put it too use. At this point, their is really nothing two lose. After all, what wood I due without 87 knew Derrik Wilson threads a day?
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on January 30, 2014, 09:02:02 AM
Never been a fan of the ignore button, but on you're recommendation, I'll put it too use. At this point, their is really nothing two lose. After all, what wood I due without 87 knew Derrik Wilson threads a day?
I sea what your duing +1
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 30, 2014, 08:40:39 AM
The correct term is "slurper."
And this post is pretty much spot on. Honestly, even though I have repeatedly acknowledged Derrick's down side and said that he is at best average, I'm labelled "pro-Derrick" because I don't agree with giving 30+ minutes to Dawson.
It reminds me of the political debates we have now in this country where there is no middle ground. Either you're with us completely, or you are the enemy. No shades of gray allowed.
+1
Agree pretty much - it's buzz's decision to roll with Derrick - it's on him. If they keep losing, I am sure the board will continue to explode and question Buzz. If they win, it will die down. If he does give Dawson some playing time and the team wins, maybe here is hope for this season yet & next year.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on January 30, 2014, 08:55:40 AM
You have the power to make a change too - recognize that Buzz is saying this team will succeed or fail with Derrick running the point, and (if you are the true MU fan I assume you are) cheer like he!! for us to win with him instead of criticizing his game in nearly every post.
Otherwise, you're being that gif Reinko showed too....
Quote from: madtownwarrior on January 30, 2014, 09:18:33 AM
Agree pretty much - it's buzz's decision to roll with Derrick - it's on him. If they keep losing, I am sure the board will continue to explode and question Buzz. If they win, it will die down. If he does give Dawson some playing time and the team wins, maybe here is hope for this season yet & next year.
What's the outcome if he gives Dawson more playing time and they still lose?
Who actually listened to the show and who is just bloviating? Buzz said the problem is consistency. That he doesn't know what he is going to get offensively from Derrick, John, Todd, Jake, Steve from game to game. That every game is an experiment, seeing who has it that particular day. That Jake sees so much time because his defensive effort is the same every game. Pointed out that Derrick had the best shooting percentage on the team against Butler in a low scoring game, whereas JD turned the ball over twice in 4 minutes and in a low scoring, low possession game, he couldn't let him play through it. That he sees a run in this team.
I think his riff on Coach Cooley at Providence was particularly telling. Talked about how he has changed the culture at PC and that players who had any kind of entitled attitude are either gone or buried on the bench.
So Buzz is frustrated. He isn't blind or oblivious. He just doesn't know what he is going to get from game to game.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on January 30, 2014, 08:06:20 AM
The Whiney Bitch Brigade...wanting to believe that there are easy answers to complex problems.
Yes it is always good to hear the name calling. Nobody said there are easy answers but you. I guess the question you should answer: Is Derrick the answer? Pretty simple question. If it is yes--own it and live with it. If no, then try other things.
Quote from: mu03eng on January 30, 2014, 09:24:27 AM
What's the outcome if he gives Dawson more playing time and they still lose?
Then we would know with certainty that we truly exhausted all reasonable possibilities.
And the upshot would be that Dawson has more experience starting day one next season
I took a couple days off from Scoop but it's good to see that nothing has changed ;)
Marquette has lost 9 games this season. They looked awful against OSU and got routed by Creighton. Other than that, every game has been nip and tuck. Of the 7 other losses, 3 either went to OT or came down to the final possession and in the other 4, MU was within one or two possessions in the final minutes. As has been the case recently, MU has very little margin for error. In each of those 7 games, if one bounce or one call goes differently, Marquette's season could look completely different despite being the exact same team. In the same respect, if a bounce or call goes differently against Davidson, MU never would have been an Elite 8 team last season despite being the exact same team.
Buzz believes that the players who are currently seeing the most floor time are the players who put this team in the best position to win. That's the key phrase. This team has been in position to win in just about all of their losses but they haven't been able to get the job done. If the team was getting dominated nightly, then a coach is likely going to make wholesale changes. If a team is right there but just can't quite get over the hump, it doesn't really make sense to scrap the plan and try something completely different.
Would giving John Dawson an 8-minute run in the first half have made a difference in any of those losses? Would it have cost MU any of its wins? If Todd Mayo was getting Jake Thomas' PT, would MU have more wins? More losses? If JJJ played 20+ mins a game, would he be a difference-maker or just guy who show potential to be good next year?
Who knows?
All I know is that this team is close and Buzz is going to continue to do all he can to put these players in the best position to win.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 30, 2014, 08:40:39 AM
The correct term is "slurper."
And this post is pretty much spot on. Honestly, even though I have repeatedly acknowledged Derrick's down side and said that he is at best average, I'm labelled "pro-Derrick" because I don't agree with giving 30+ minutes to Dawson.
It reminds me of the political debates we have now in this country where there is no middle ground. Either you're with us completely, or you are the enemy. No shades of gray allowed.
Ners, Willie and their minions are just fundamentally dishonest in many of their arguments. If you acknowledge Derrick's limitations, are excited about Dawson's potential but aren't convinced we've seen enough to make him the starter and give him 30 minutes a game, they characterize you as "pro Derrick". If you suggest the possibility that the guy making 2 million a year who's won 7 NCAA tournament games over three years and who sees these guys every day might know as much or more about coaching this team as they do, well, that makes you a "slurper". To be orthodox enough for Ners you even have to root for Derrick to fail, and if Marquette fails because of it so be it. No interest in joining that cult.
Quote from: mu03eng on January 30, 2014, 09:24:27 AM
What's the outcome if he gives Dawson more playing time and they still lose?
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Probably switch the bitching to Jake Thomas :)
Quote from: mu03eng on January 30, 2014, 09:24:27 AM
What's the outcome if he gives Dawson more playing time and they still lose?
Quote from: madtownwarrior on January 30, 2014, 10:01:28 AM
Probably switch the bitching to Jake Thomas :)
Where it should probably be focused now. I hate to say that because I understand why he's out there and why its tough to pull him off the floor, because not only does he present a threat, but he does some things very well, and clearly understands how to play, but he's just limited ability-wise.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 29, 2014, 07:53:43 PM
Some other things...
It's very clear that he feels that his team has a lot of inconsistent players, and that he tries to get everyone in the game to see if they are going to be good that particular day, but when push comes to shove he's going to go with his best defensive players.
Also said that he feels he has a good pulse on his team and where they sit emotionally, and considers this one of the strengths of his staff.
He says that MU is scoring enough to win. The problem is on the defensive end of the court.
I agree with this.
But my major criticism of Buzz this year is that it's HIS JOB to get his players to play consistently. You cannot just blame the players he has. He recruited, coached them, and its clear this year that he hasn't done a good enough job on the perimeter players. I do think its partially his coaching style (he isn't going to play you unless you're getting everything right, which may impede that on-the-job learning process that I think he underestimates), and the way he subs. I really don't like the 36 vs 8 minute split he did.
Quote from: mu03eng on January 30, 2014, 09:24:27 AM
What's the outcome if he gives Dawson more playing time and they still lose?
Then the same people who are whining about Buzz's "loyalty' to Derrick will whine next season about his "loyalty" to Dawson.
People tend to stick with their strengths....
Quote from: GooooMarquette on January 30, 2014, 10:23:40 AM
Then the same people who are whining about Buzz's "loyalty' to Derrick will whine next season about his "loyalty" to Dawson.
People tend to stick with their strengths....
I'm a pro-Dawson guy, but I wish people would stop with the loyalty talk. Other than his family, winning is first and foremost on Buzz's mind. Buzz cares more about winning basketball games than anything else (see Newbill threads). Buzz plays Derrick because Derrick gives us the best chance to win *right now*. I agree.
The disagreement that I have is that winning right now is essentially meaningless. We need to focus on the BET and next season. Otherwise, we are going to run in to the same problems next year. Playing to win right now is a little too short-sighted IMO.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on January 30, 2014, 10:23:40 AM
Then the same people who are whining about Buzz's "loyalty' to Derrick will whine next season about his "loyalty" to Dawson.
People tend to stick with their strengths....
This is false. We have proven we can't win with Derrick. If we prove we can't win with Dawson we will move on to the next one!
Quote from: mu03eng on January 30, 2014, 09:24:27 AM
What's the outcome if he gives Dawson more playing time and they still lose?
That's exactly part of my argument - the outcome basically wouldn't be any
different WORSE (edited) than the 10-9 record Derrick has led us to in the 19 games he's gotten 20+ - with one win over a Top 50 team. Why not see what your freshman's got??
We've seen 19 games, that's a relevant sample size. My point about sample size, has been with regard to playing time - you cannot make a whole lot of assessments on a guy when he gets 2-3 stints of 2-3 minutes of playing time rolled up into 9 minutes. We have 1 data point of what happens when Dawson plays 30 minutes and long stretches of run....and he DID take over in Overtime and essentially win the game...showed poise. He's tripled the number of 3 points shots Derrick has made in his career as a Junior through 20 games...in just 10 games played as a freshman. These aren't some made up b.s. stats..they are facts.
I feel confident saying this team will finish no better than 6-5 from here on out, if Derrick continues to get 28+ minutes per game. Just doubt it would be worse than that with Dawson getting 30....and you are developing a prospect for the future, and getting a sense of what he can bring to next year's team.
Quote from: Nevada233 on January 29, 2014, 11:16:56 PM
Touche' im on your team!
We should go to Miluwakee to see the Senior Day Game against St Johns.
We can all meet up, First round on me to quait the pain of this dissapointing season and hopeful N.I.T. Birth.
I'm at every game!! Will be at Major's G. at 4:15pm!
Time for a little perspective on this issue - it isn't just Buzz that is stubborn:
Scott Brooks benched Kendrick Perkins and the Thunder walloped the Heat. I've never seen anything like this in sport, where an entire community has focused in on one specific issue almost to consensus with all the data and eye-tests one could imagine to support the conclusion – Perk needed to go. Now there are still some in the media that have yet to concede the overall impact the Brooks-Perkins-Durant issue has had on their championship aspirations, and they're all complicit in this from top to bottom. They decided a long time ago to ride or die with Perkins, and later with Derek Fisher, andit has wasted a three-year championship window for a potential top 5-10 player of all time in Durant.
But as the saying goes, 'better late than never.'
Brooks was careful to say that this was a one-game thing but at least we know he's capable of making the move now, and I can officially put them on my list of teams that has a chance at the title in June. f the Thunder can find a way to lay off their veteran crutch and get real threats in Reggie Jackson (nine points, three rebounds, four assists, two steals, one three) and Jeremy Lamb (18 points, 7-of-10 FGs, four treys, three boards, four assists, 35 minutes) comfortable before the playoffs then I could start to get behind them in the West.
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Quote from: Nevada233 on January 29, 2014, 08:34:04 PM
If anyone ever said your you're not a good guy.. Their They're a Liar.. I honestly like going back and forth with you....
you never back down... lol.. keep it consistent Sultan!
FIFY. I know this is a message board and some of the people on here may still be in college or even younger, but did they stop teaching remedial English to middle school kids? Typos are one thing for a message board, but I find it hard to believe that people who are either at MU or have graduated from MU are this bad with English.
SO, BACK TO THE REMEDIAL ENGLISH...
RATHER THAN SUGGESTING "THEY'RE" AS A SUBSTITUTE, WHICH RESULTS IN MIS-MATCHING A PLURAL PRONOUN (THEY) WITH A SINGULAR ANTECENDENT (ANYONE), I SUGGEST USING "HE'S" (WITH APOLOGIES TO MELLISAMOOTH AND WARRIORCHICK, I BELIEVE THAT THE USE OF "HE" IS NOT ONLY PERMITTTED, BUT ALSO PROPER IN THIS TESTOSTERONE FILLED MESSAGE BOARD CONTEXT).
Quote from: Ners on January 30, 2014, 10:55:49 AM
That's exactly part of my argument - the outcome basically wouldn't be any different WORSE (edited) than the 10-9 record Derrick has led us to in the 19 games he's gotten 20+ - with one win over a Top 50 team. Why not see what your freshman's got??
We've seen 19 games, that's a relevant sample size. My point about sample size, has been with regard to playing time - you cannot make a whole lot of assessments on a guy when he gets 2-3 stints of 2-3 minutes of playing time rolled up into 9 minutes. We have 1 data point of what happens when Dawson plays 30 minutes and long stretches of run....and he DID take over in Overtime and essentially win the game...showed poise. He's tripled the number of 3 points shots Derrick has made in his career as a Junior through 20 games...in just 10 games played as a freshman. These aren't some made up b.s. stats..they are facts.
I feel confident saying this team will finish no better than 6-5 from here on out, if Derrick continues to get 28+ minutes per game. Just doubt it would be worse than that with Dawson getting 30....and you are developing a prospect for the future, and getting a sense of what he can bring to next year's team.
Because unless Dawson is playing very well early in his minutes, Buzz believes that Derrick puts us in the best position to have a good outcome at the end of the game. That's all there is. That's all that matters. Buzz believes it.
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 30, 2014, 11:13:38 AM
Because unless Dawson is playing very well early in his minutes, Buzz believes that Derrick puts us in the best position to have a good outcome at the end of the game. That's all there is. That's all that matters. Buzz believes it.
True. Just seems hard to believe when that belief hasn't been paid off one time yet with a win (against a team of any substance)....and the one time you put belief in the alternative...you are rewarded with a win.
But....regardless....should be fun to see what happens from here on out.
Bottom line is that games are won and lost based on talented players on the floor. Bobby Knight may have been a great coach - but he went undefeated ONLY when 4 of his 5 starters were NBA players.
For whatever reason, we are not playing our most talented players. A simple eye test confirms that.
Quote from: LloydMooresLegs on January 30, 2014, 11:08:14 AM
SO, BACK TO THE REMEDIAL ENGLISH...
RATHER THAN SUGGESTING "THEY'RE" AS A SUBSTITUTE, WHICH RESULTS IN MIS-MATCHING A PLURAL PRONOUN (THEY) WITH A SINGULAR ANTECENDENT (ANYONE), I SUGGEST USING "HE'S" (WITH APOLOGIES TO MELLISAMOOTH AND WARRIORCHICK, I BELIEVE THAT THE USE OF "HE" IS NOT ONLY PERMITTTED, BUT ALSO PROPER IN THIS TESTOSTERONE FILLED MESSAGE BOARD CONTEXT).
I like how you did this in all capitalized letters. That was a nice touch.
Quote from: brandx on January 30, 2014, 11:19:52 AM
Bottom line is that games are won and lost based on talented players on the floor. Bobby Knight may have been a great coach - but he went undefeated ONLY when 4 of his 5 starters were NBA players.
For whatever reason, we are not playing our most talented players. A simple eye test confirms that.
What you are missing here: Bobby recruited those players and played them. Buzz says over and over he is playing the most talented.
The best defensive guard I've seen at Marquette during and since my student years was Mandy Johnson, hands down. He used his quickness to shut down guys that were bigger and taller on a regular basis.
Derrick Wilson is nowhere near Mandy Johnson.
Heavy
Mandy sure could play D. For a guy who can dribble worth a lick he was very productive PG. I am not sure he was best, but definitely high on the list. Doc, Michael Wilson and D James were quite solid defenders.
Quote from: Henry Sugar on January 30, 2014, 11:37:30 AM
I like how you did this in all capitalized letters. That was a nice touch.
when correcting grammar, leave as little to chance as possible...including errors in capitalization
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on January 30, 2014, 09:48:53 AM
Buzz believes that the players who are currently seeing the most floor time are the players who put this team in the best position to win. That's the key phrase.
Go back to the first post in the thread. Buzz is quoted saying:
"Jake gives 100% at all times on both ends of the court . . . which is what's being rewarded"
Note that he's absolutely not saying "Jake gives us the best chance to win."
In fact, reading between the lines, he's justifying his reasons for playing Jake
ahead of the players that
might give us a better chance to win.
You can distill all these threads down to this: the perception of many here is that we have better players who ride the bench and if played more would put us in a better position to win. And Buzz has been quoted saying things that support the belief that he just can't bring himself to play them becuase he doesn't think they give 100% at all times, or they don't work hard enough in practice, or they fail to measure up to some indefinable 'earning' threshold.
And instead of simply admitting that there might be some merit to this thought, we have to go through some version of "Well, nyahh nyhah, Buzz knows more than you" or "How dare you question the One. He's been to the Elite Eight therefore can't be questioned."
Can anyone reasonably refute the observation that we've won in the past
despite Buzz's eccentricities when it comes to decisions over playing time or X's and O's--not becuase of them? Something with more depth than "Shut up because Buzz won before" or "You're wrong because I trust in Buzz".
Perhaps we've won in the past only because we've had NBA-level talent--Butler, Crowder, Buycks, Matthews, Blue. Without such talent Buzz is merely average at the Xs and Os, susceptible to being outcoached on any given night by the likes of Chris Mack or Herb Sendek or Brandon Miller or Craig Neal.
Equalizer, if you listened to the entire interview, it gave a little more nuance than the simple quote.
What he said was that this was a team that lacks consistency. That he tries to give everyone time to see what they can do, and if it looks to be their night, he will ride them. He mentioned Dawson and Taylor specifically in that regard.
But if no one steps up, he is going with the guys that he trusts more on the defensive end. I don't recall if he said "best position to win," but perhaps it was obvious. He did mention something about not wanting to lose games in regards to the freshmen playing more, but perhaps I'm not remembering it right.
Listen to the interview. It makes much more sense then a few quotes here and there.
Quote from: The Equalizer on January 30, 2014, 12:14:42 PM
Go back to the first post in the thread. Buzz is quoted saying:
"Jake gives 100% at all times on both ends of the court . . . which is what's being rewarded"
Note that he's absolutely not saying "Jake gives us the best chance to win."
In fact, reading between the lines, he's justifying his reasons for playing Jake ahead of the players that might give us a better chance to win.
You can distill all these threads down to this: the perception of many here is that we have better players who ride the bench and if played more would put us in a better position to win. And Buzz has been quoted saying things that support the belief that he just can't bring himself to play them becuase he doesn't think they give 100% at all times, or they don't work hard enough in practice, or they fail to measure up to some indefinable 'earning' threshold.
Reading between the lines, one could also infer that Buzz believes that players who give 100% at all times are the ones who give the team the best chance to win because the team can't afford that 1% or 5% or 20% lack of effort.
I never bought into the whole "he needs to practice well to play" notion. Buzz all but flat-out said that Cadougan wasn't a good practice player and that Gardner isn't a good practice player and he lauded Jamail Jones' effort and engagement in practice. Did the minutes reflect that only players who practice well get to play?
Quote from: Heavy Gear on January 30, 2014, 11:48:04 AM
The best defensive guard I've seen at Marquette during and since my student years was Mandy Johnson, hands down. He used his quickness to shut down guys that were bigger and taller on a regular basis.
Derrick Wilson is nowhere near Mandy Johnson.
Goose-
They were all really good. By his senior year, Mandy was lock down.
Heavy
Agreed on Mandy being lockdown defender. Plus, we were in almost every class together so I have soft spot for the kid from Jersey.
Quote from: LloydMooresLegs on January 30, 2014, 11:08:14 AM
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Quote from: Nevada233 on January 29, 2014, 08:34:04 PM
If anyone ever said your you're not a good guy.. Their They're a Liar.. I honestly like going back and forth with you....
you never back down... lol.. keep it consistent Sultan!
FIFY. I know this is a message board and some of the people on here may still be in college or even younger, but did they stop teaching remedial English to middle school kids? Typos are one thing for a message board, but I find it hard to believe that people who are either at MU or have graduated from MU are this bad with English.
SO, BACK TO THE REMEDIAL ENGLISH...
RATHER THAN SUGGESTING "THEY'RE" AS A SUBSTITUTE, WHICH RESULTS IN MIS-MATCHING A PLURAL PRONOUN (THEY) WITH A SINGULAR ANTECENDENT (ANYONE), I SUGGEST USING "HE'S" (WITH APOLOGIES TO MELLISAMOOTH AND WARRIORCHICK, I BELIEVE THAT THE USE OF "HE" IS NOT ONLY PERMITTTED, BUT ALSO PROPER IN THIS TESTOSTERONE FILLED MESSAGE BOARD CONTEXT).
Great point, though spell check would have corrected ANTECENDENT to ANTECEDENT. Otherwise, thanks for the correction. ::)
Quote from: ElDonBDon on January 30, 2014, 10:47:09 AM
I'm a pro-Dawson guy, but I wish people would stop with the loyalty talk. Other than his family, winning is first and foremost on Buzz's mind. Buzz cares more about winning basketball games than anything else (see Newbill threads). Buzz plays Derrick because Derrick gives us the best chance to win *right now*. I agree.
The disagreement that I have is that winning right now is essentially meaningless. We need to focus on the BET and next season. Otherwise, we are going to run in to the same problems next year. Playing to win right now is a little too short-sighted IMO.
If Buzz gives us less of a chance to in
now because "winning is essentially meaningless," what does that say to the seniors, who I'd guess still want to win every game they can? In fact, what does that say to the whole team? If you think you're "out of it" for the season and play for next year...why wouldn't players think this also applies within games -- if you think you're out of a game, save yourself for the next one? If Buzz coached with that attitude, how likely is it that we'd have had the miracle comeback against Davidson?
Buzz has always been a "win this possession," "win this game" sort of guy...and it has served us quite well over his tenure. IMHO it would cause a seismic shift in the players' attitudes if he suddenly stopped playing the guys who give us the bast chance to win
now...with the hopes that maybe the new guys will be good enough to win in March.
Quote from: Goose on January 30, 2014, 01:18:19 PM
Heavy
Agreed on Mandy being lockdown defender. Plus, we were in almost every class together so I have soft spot for the kid from Jersey.
Couldn't go wrong if ya followed Hank in the Old Gym with the players at 7 am Monday morning pickin' up IBM class registration cards. He knew to guide them to the most favorable profs.
Quote from: Heavy Gear on January 30, 2014, 11:48:04 AM
The best defensive guard I've seen at Marquette during and since my student years was Mandy Johnson, hands down. He used his quickness to shut down guys that were bigger and taller on a regular basis.
Derrick Wilson is nowhere near Mandy Johnson.
That is absolutely 100 % correct. Mandy was the Sultan of steals.
4ever
With that "special" guidance it still took me 8 years to get out. Very much appreciate the help the program gave to me back in the day. Will say having Reason, Sir Walter, Mandy and DJ in all my classes made me question my major from time to time.
Quote from: Goose on January 30, 2014, 02:00:54 PM
4ever
With that "special" guidance it still took me 8 years to get out. Very much appreciate the help the program gave to me back in the day. Will say having Reason, Sir Walter, Mandy and DJ in all my classes made me question my major from time to time.
Terry "Hair" Reason; Walter Downing; Mandy Johnson and Duane Johnson. Now there are some blasts from the past.
Jimmy, Black Swan, Sugar, Marcus, Allie, Luke, Spychalla, and the student manager, JC, regularly graced my liberal arts classes, sans science. I'm no idiot.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 31, 2014, 12:34:36 PM
Jimmy, Black Swan, Sugar, Marcus, Allie, Luke, Spychalla, and the student manager, JC, regularly graced my liberal arts classes, sans science. I'm no idiot.
The Black Swan, Bob Lackey! But who the hell is Spychalla? With a name like that, he must be working for the NSA.
Kurt Spychalla, traditional, from Up Nort (D.C. Everest).