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He plays when it counts though.
Does it matter who starts. Yes, he needs more time on the floor.
Gotta give props to Todd. He has learned to play within the offense and is taking good shots. And obviously he is making some big shots in big moments. It seems as though he has turned a corner.
Second, ... Has something this team needs and the team needs more of it
TODD NEEDS MORE MINUTES PERIOD. I'D RATHER LIVE AND DIE BY HIM AND HAVE A CHANCE THAN BE BEHIND THE 8-BALL EVERY GAME WITH OUR TWO STARTING GUARDS. AND YES, I'M SHOUTING. ITS RIDICULOUS!
Todd is really good in chaotic/breakdown situations. Like the end of the game today. I'm not so sure he's nearly as good in slow, methodical, grinding situations. Either way, he's earned more minutes than Jake. And that's saying something, because I love Jake.
Todd is a college version of Nate Robinson.
Quote from: karavotsos on January 25, 2014, 06:21:55 PM
Todd is a college version of Nate Robinson.
ID SAY JR SMITH...
Agreed. Todd can save the season more than any other guard on the roster. No teal
YES
I don't care if he starts. But I want him getting more minutes when he is clearly hot.
Quote from: karavotsos on January 25, 2014, 06:21:55 PM
Todd is a college version of Nate Robinson.
I wish he was a college version of the college version of Nate Robinson. That guy was fanfreakingtastic. We'd be 17-3 right now.
Todd, Dawson, Taylor, Jamil and Gardner should start and/or play the most minutes, without question.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on January 25, 2014, 09:23:38 PM
Todd, Dawson, Taylor, Jamil and Gardner should start and/or play the most minutes, without question.
That would be to close to the right thing
The fact that this HAS to be a thread is pathetic. We lose to Gtown if not for Mayo, we lose big today if not for Mayo, we look like a D2 team if not for Mayo.
Todd can be inconsistent as well....wasn't he non-existant in the last game (or perhaps the one prior...I can't recall).
Sometimes I think so many of us are looking for a hero to step up and be the guy that we lose sight of the fact there aren't a lot of those guys on the team this year. Not consistently at least.
The only good thing Mayo did against Georgetown was hit the shot to send it to OT. He was awful for most of that game.
The JR Smith analogy is a good one. Good Todd is very good. Bad Todd makes you want to rip your hair out.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 26, 2014, 08:23:06 AM
The only good thing Mayo did against Georgetown was hit the shot to send it to OT. He was awful for most of that game.
The JR Smith analogy is a good one. Good Todd is very good. Bad Todd makes you want to rip your hair out.
+1
I believe the only shot he made in regulation was the three to tie. Great shot, the most important of the year so far. But let's not lose sight that for 39:50 he did little to nothing during Georgetown.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 26, 2014, 03:04:28 AM
Sometimes I think so many of us are looking for a hero to step up and be the guy that we lose sight of the fact there aren't a lot of those guys on the team this year. Not consistently at least.
My thoughts are somewhat along these lines. Other than Ox, and to a lesser extent Jamil, no one is consistent on offense this year. In prior years, many of the starters and bench player's had more offensive consistency. It allowed Buzz to vary the players on the floor in each game until he found the best mix of 3-4 players who could score. We have not had that consistently yet. For both Georgetown and Villanova, we trailed most/all of the game, forcing Buzz to continue to focus on finding that mix throughout the game. For both games it eventually arrived and forced OT. But I believe it also forced compromises at the defensive end. Our overall defense, rebounding and hustle after loose balls was terrible yesterday. If we had those consistent 3-4 offensive players, I believe Buzz could have given more attention to the defensive end. While Juan is having a terrible year, we really need someone like him (or at least, Sophmore Juan) on the defensive end for his hustle and rebounding, but can't afford that since we need to find offense to stay in games.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 26, 2014, 08:23:06 AM
The only good thing Mayo did against Georgetown was hit the shot to send it to OT. He was awful for most of that game.
The JR Smith analogy is a good one. Good Todd is very good. Bad Todd makes you want to rip your hair out.
Wrong on so many levels.
Marquette basketball is a better basketball program with Todd Mayo on the court. It really is that simple.
The "bad Todd" thing is so exaggerated.
If Todd wasn't on the team we have 5 wins maximum .
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 26, 2014, 03:04:28 AM
Todd can be inconsistent as well....wasn't he non-existant in the last game (or perhaps the one prior...I can't recall).
Sometimes I think so many of us are looking for a hero to step up and be the guy that we lose sight of the fact there aren't a lot of those guys on the team this year. Not consistently at least.
+100000 can't tell you how many times I have seen this happen on this board. People loved Jake the last game and hated Mayo (up until the clutch 3), and now everyone loves Mayo and hates Jake. This role reversal has happened between them several times this year.
For good teams, Todd is a "hot-hand play." You put him in there and if he has the hot hand, you ride it. If he doesn't, you give him 4-5 minutes hoping he gets hot but then get him out of there if he doesn't. And you try the same in the second half. Plus, you use him in the "desperate scramble" situations we faced against Georgetown and Villanova. Playing Todd this way, good teams might use him for 12 minutes some games, 32 minutes some other games.
But we have not proven to be a good team this season, so we should play him more minutes just because he has the potential to give us more production than Jake does. In our situation, we have to be willing to live with some of Mayo's ill-conceived decisions.
Really, if we are not going to commit to repeatedly setting double screens, Jake should play little for us because that is the only way he can produce. Mayo is a good enough 3-point shooter to help space the floor, especially if Derrick isn't on the floor with him.
Maybe we could put Jakes head on Todd's body!
We could get the best of both worlds: mentally strong player who has the athleticism to become MU's top scorer.
Or we could get Frankenstein: a shooter scared to shoot and turns the ball over.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on January 26, 2014, 12:20:22 PM
Wrong on so many levels.
Marquette basketball is a better basketball program with Todd Mayo on the court. It really is that simple.
The "bad Todd" thing is so exaggerated.
If Todd wasn't on the team we have 5 wins maximum .
Right what Todd brings is wayyy better than
What Jake brings. If you cant create a shot you shouldnt
Be out there 30 minutes a night. While people who can are sitting
On the Bench. I know todd is a wild card but sheesh this team
The way it is isnt gonna finish over .500
Todd May is inconsistent. However, much like Vander Blue, he is cold blooded and has "clutch" in his DNA.
One cannot be coached to be "the man" when the game is on the line. One either has "it", or does not have it.
Todd Mayo has it, and, indeed, should continue to play 30 minutes a game, especially the last six to ten minutes of each half.
Quote from: UticaBusBarn on January 26, 2014, 12:39:38 PM
Todd May is inconsistent. However, much like Vander Blue, he is cold blooded and has "clutch" in his DNA.
One cannot be coached to be "the man" when the game is on the line. One either has "it", or does not have it.
Todd Mayo has it, and, indeed, should continue to play 30 minutes a game, especially the last six to ten minutes of each half.
#1
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on January 26, 2014, 12:20:22 PM
Wrong on so many levels.
Marquette basketball is a better basketball program with Todd Mayo on the court. It really is that simple.
The "bad Todd" thing is so exaggerated.
Really?
So the 27 minutes with 4 points, 2 rebounds, 0 assists and two TOs against Butler was an exaggeration?
The 20 minutes with 2 points against Creighton is an exaggeration?
The 15 minutes with a -20 Roland Rating against Georgetown is an exaggeration?
Hmmm... No. Bad Todd is bad.
Oh...and if were up to me I would start the following:
1. Derrick Wilson, but Dawson should get more than the 8 mpg he got yesterday
2. Todd Mayo
3. Jake Thomas
4. Jamil Wilson
5. Davante Gardner
I hate the Oxtule line up because it takes MU's best post player away from the basket.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 26, 2014, 12:48:59 PM
Oh...and if were up to me I would start the following:
1. Derrick Wilson, but Dawson should get more than the 8 mpg he got yesterday
2. Todd Mayo
3. Jake Thomas
4. Jamil Wilson
5. Davante Gardner
I hate the Oxtule line up because it takes MU's best post player away from the basket.
Hey Sultan, I tend to agree, except the minutes split at PG should be about 20/20. Would not start Thomas, would go with Taylor over him, and Burton getting some minutes. Thomas splits time with Mayo, with Mayo getting 20 to 25 minutes. I too think Ox has to play too much away from the basket, but he has been pretty effective because it gives him more room to dribble/body his opponent to the basket. Would put him more down low and Taylor up high, because of his length.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 26, 2014, 12:46:58 PM
Really?
So the 27 minutes with 4 points, 2 rebounds, 0 assists and two TOs against Butler was an exaggeration?
The 20 minutes with 2 points against Creighton is an exaggeration?
The 15 minutes with a -20 Roland Rating against Georgetown is an exaggeration?
Hmmm... No. Bad Todd is bad.
Creighton actually was a terrible game for Todd. But that was the outlier. If you seriously only use points for a guy of the bench to prove a point, you don't have a point.
crap, just yesterday the guy was 4-4 with two of those buckets being early in second half once nova was attempting to run away... And he barely saw the floor after that until the final minutes. It is literally night and day how much better we are with Todd playing.
If he was getting 30 minutes a game we are at least 14-6. And that doesn't include the two games we lost where he didn't play.
Ironic you quote my post and leave out the end....5 wins if Todd mayo is not with Marquette. That is not opinion. It's a fact.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on January 26, 2014, 01:21:57 PM
5 wins if Todd mayo is not with Marquette. That is not opinion. It's a fact.
I agree with much of what you said earlier, but this is not a fact.
A fact is: Marquette wore pink uniforms yesterday. Or: Chicos loves Tom Crean. Or: I am bald.
Assigning a number to how many games we'd win without Mayo or how many games we'd have won if Mayo played more is not a fact.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on January 26, 2014, 01:21:57 PM
Creighton actually was a terrible game for Todd. But that was the outlier. If you seriously only use points for a guy of the bench to prove a point, you don't have a point.
LOL...whatever.
Believe what you want to believe.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 26, 2014, 01:42:53 PM
LOL...whatever.
Believe what you want to believe.
This is pretty much all that can be said at this point.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 26, 2014, 01:42:53 PM
LOL...whatever.
Believe what you want to believe.
Seeing ain't believing
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 26, 2014, 12:46:58 PM
Really?
So the 27 minutes with 4 points, 2 rebounds, 0 assists and two TOs against Butler was an exaggeration?
The 20 minutes with 2 points against Creighton is an exaggeration?
The 15 minutes with a -20 Roland Rating against Georgetown is an exaggeration?
Hmmm... No. Bad Todd is bad.
Todd gets such a bad rap around here its funny to me...he's had a few off court issues and as a result some paint him with a bad brush. Some would like him to smile more. It's funny, because he and Vander - who you have been so complimentary of, and think was so brilliant last year - are basically the same player. Granted, Todd hasn't punched anybody in the face off campus, but he didn't take care of business academically, and was late to practice...but he's just not a good guy/team player. But on the court...he produces at the same/better rate than Vander Blue per minute last year...albeit with a much worse PG. The numbers don't lie...it's a joke that he gets less minutes than Jake Thomas.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=todd-mayo&i=1&p1=vander-blue
Quote from: Ners on January 26, 2014, 02:17:49 PM
Todd gets such a bad rap around here its funny to me...he's had a few off court issues and as a result some paint him with a bad brush. Some would like him to smile more. It's funny, because he and Vander - who you have been so complimentary of, and think was so brilliant last year - are basically the same player. Granted, Todd hasn't punched anybody in the face off campus, but he didn't take care of business academically, and was late to practice...but he's just not a good guy/team player. But on the court...he produces at the same/better rate than Vander Blue per minute last year...albeit with a much worse PG. The numbers don't lie...it's a joke that he gets less minutes than Jake Thomas.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=todd-mayo&i=1&p1=vander-blue
I'm not really mentioning any of his off court stuff...so I have no idea why you are bringing it up. But the idea that "Bad Todd" is an exaggeration is just false. He is wildly inconsistent even within games.
And Todd isn't Vander. Trying to say they are the same player really only weakens your argument. Vander is a much better defender and a much more consistent player.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 26, 2014, 12:48:59 PM
Oh...and if were up to me I would start the following:
1. Derrick Wilson, but Dawson should get more than the 8 mpg he got yesterday
2. Todd Mayo
3. Jake Thomas
4. Jamil Wilson
5. Davante Gardner
I hate the Oxtule line up because it takes MU's best post player away from the basket.
Dawson hit a 3 from the Consession stand. Then got benched. Lol.
Todd is as good or better than Vander? Dear lord. Some people who think they know a lot about basketball are hopelessly clueless.
Quote from: Ners on January 26, 2014, 02:17:49 PM
Todd gets such a bad rap around here its funny to me...he's had a few off court issues and as a result some paint him with a bad brush. Some would like him to smile more. It's funny, because he and Vander - who you have been so complimentary of, and think was so brilliant last year - are basically the same player. Granted, Todd hasn't punched anybody in the face off campus, but he didn't take care of business academically, and was late to practice...but he's just not a good guy/team player. But on the court...he produces at the same/better rate than Vander Blue per minute last year...albeit with a much worse PG. The numbers don't lie...it's a joke that he gets less minutes than Jake Thomas.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=todd-mayo&i=1&p1=vander-blue
Ners: I have agreed with you about Derrick from the start and you make a lot of good points about other players, including some about Mayo. However, Mayo is no Vander. Just look at the consistency Vander had game-in, game-out last season. Even when Todd has been given good runs, as he has most of the conference season, he has been wildly inconsistent.
I'm not saying he lacks value and I'm not saying he should play less than Jake, because I'm with you on both of those things. And he obviously is the one guy who is willing and able to step up and hit a big shot. But he has displayed little evidence that he is in Vander's league as a consistent offensive weapon or a defensive player.
Quote from: MU82 on January 26, 2014, 04:57:14 PM
Ners: I have agreed with you about Derrick from the start and you make a lot of good points about other players, including some about Mayo. However, Mayo is no Vander. Just look at the consistency Vander had game-in, game-out last season. Even when Todd has been given good runs, as he has most of the conference season, he has been wildly inconsistent.
I'm not saying he lacks value and I'm not saying he should play less than Jake, because I'm with you on both of those things. And he obviously is the one guy who is willing and able to step up and hit a big shot. But he has displayed little evidence that he is in Vander's league as a consistent offensive weapon or a defensive player.
Todd Mayo is NOT as good as Vander. That said, he should play at least 25-30 minutes a game as he is our most dynamic playmaker.
Todd is a better all around offensive player than Vander. No Doubt!
Quote from: Hold the Mayo on January 25, 2014, 05:25:01 PM
TODD NEEDS MORE MINUTES PERIOD. I'D RATHER LIVE AND DIE BY HIM AND HAVE A CHANCE THAN BE BEHIND THE 8-BALL EVERY GAME WITH OUR TWO STARTING GUARDS. AND YES, I'M SHOUTING. ITS RIDICULOUS!
The irony of this post coming from that username has not been lost on me.
Quote from: Blueprint on January 26, 2014, 05:29:23 PM
Todd is a better all around offensive player than Vander. No Doubt!
He *can* be...but oftentimes isn't.
I LIKE TALKING IN ALL CAPS TOO IN ORDER TO MAKE MY POINT SEEM MORE IMPORTANT!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6oAQHROtzs (very related video. WATCH IT!!!!)
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 26, 2014, 06:32:53 PM
He *can* be...but oftentimes isn't.
Todd is a lot like Buycks. He plays best in a more unregulated offense like at the end of a shot clock or at the end of the game. He plays a lot off emotion and feel. That makes him very clutch, but in other parts of the game when it is more regimented he struggles.