Just looking at the MU online alum mag, and noticed that of the 8 person seacrh committee, 6 are grads (of the other two, one is a jesuit and one is a law school prof) who are in a very tight demographic cohort: 1977 to 1981. I don't know anything about the committee, but I find it promising that 4 of the committee members were on campus for the 1977 championship, and 2 more arrived on campus shortly after. Their experience of the program's success along with the strategic vision statement emphasizing the role of leveraging the basketball program to promote the University leads me to conclude that we are likely to get a president who believes in the importance of basketball to the University.
By the way, the article invites nominations: I nominate Dreadman24.
(The focus of the article was to front the likelihood that the new President will be a lay person):
The Marquette Presidential Search
Assignment: Discovery
Throughout its history, Marquette's president has been a Jesuit. The university community now faces a new reality. Because of multiple factors, count among them a declining pool of Jesuits in the United States, and, within that pool, an even smaller segment holding the credentials for university leadership, Marquette's 24th president may not be a Jesuit.
In selecting a lay president, the university would not cross into unchartered territory. Lay leaders hold the high office at seven of the 28 U.S. Jesuit colleges and universities, including Georgetown, Loyola Marymount, Canisius and Gonzaga universities. Four other Jesuit colleges and universities in addition to Marquette, plus one Catholic university, are currently conducting presidential searches. Pending the outcomes, the number of lay presidents may grow this year.
Marquette's bylaws were amended in 2011 to allow a lay president. Vice chair of the Marquette Board of Trustees and presidential search committee chair John Ferraro, Bus Ad '77, says the university has never before undertaken a search of comparable scope.
"For the first time at Marquette, we will be considering lay candidates as well as Jesuit candidates," Ferraro says. "Selecting the most qualified and the best person — man or woman — to lead Marquette has to be at the top of the agenda, and a passion for our Catholic identity and Jesuit mission has to be in the DNA of that person."
What's most important is that we identify the candidate who is a perfect match for Marquette today, says Rev. Joseph O'Keefe, another trustee, member of the presidential search committee and a professor of education at Boston College.
"At a particular time and place, there is a pool of candidates — lay and Jesuit — and it is important to consider who is ready to move and what a university needs at a particular point in its history," he says.
"In my opinion, a consideration for any candidate is the appreciation of St. Ignatius' legacy," says Father O'Keefe. "I would be concerned if it were someone who is indifferent to Ignatius' worldview. That would be a problem for me. More and more, lay men and women are leading Jesuit universities, and are very effective at promoting our Catholic, Jesuit mission. This leadership by lay people is in the spirit of St. Ignatius and the Jesuit order."
The Board of Trustees plans to conclude the search this spring and welcome Marquette's next president to campus for the fall 2014 semester
Contribute to the search by nominating a candidate. Visit marquettepresident@wittkieffer.com.
Members of the search committee belong to Marquette alumni, faculty and administrative circles.
John Ferraro, Bus Ad '77, vice chair of the Board of Trustees
Patricia Cervenka, professor of law, Marquette Law School
Dr. William Cullinan, PT '81, dean of the College of Health Sciences
Patrick Lawton, Bus Ad '78, Grad '80, university trustee
Dr. Arnold Mitchem, Grad '81, university trustee
Rev. Joseph M. O'Keefe, S.J., university trustee
Dr. Janis Orlowski, Eng '78, university trustee
Owen Sullivan, Arts '79, university trustee
From a current students perspective I really hope we have a non-Jesuit, nonreligious president. Times are changing and Marquette needs to adapt to this change. I dont feel like MU will make much progress if another Jesuit president is named. Also from a more selfish standpoint, MUs president have been very anti-greek life and being a fraternity I would really like to see the new president embrace this culture and aid it.
Quote from: esard2011 on January 17, 2014, 10:51:56 AM
From a current students perspective I really hope we have a non-Jesuit, nonreligious president. Times are changing and Marquette needs to adapt to this change. I dont feel like MU will make much progress if another Jesuit president is named. Also from a more selfish standpoint, MUs president have been very anti-greek life and being a fraternity I would really like to see the new president embrace this culture and aid it.
With all due respect, actually no screw that, with no respect...Marquette is a Catholic, Jesuit University, how in the world would you and current students be better served with a non religious President? I am pretty sure you are not talking about a lay person's ability to fund-raise or a lay person's understanding of intricate budgeting and planning.
Sounds to me like you don't like the "old fashioned" rules / policies enforced by a Jesuit or Religious leader. Tough sh!t. It's a Catholic, Jesuit school. They usually tell you that in the admission process. Did a priest crack down on your Cancun Party or shut down your Corn Roast? Has a religious figure objected to you doing more after 2am than most students do all night? I'll let you in on a little secret, even a lay president might argue with the premise that you can always retake a test but you can never relive a good party.
No thanks on the Greek stuff. It isn't a major selling point for MU and never has been. MU is fine to deprioritize in the future.
As for a non-Jesuit as pres, I'm ok with it, but I still want the school rooted firmly in Catholic roots. It's a Catholic school....allegedly.
Lens:
I was thinking/hoping that he meant non religious in the sense of non religious order- IOW not a priest or a nun of any sort (b/c first he said not a Jesuit). Esard?
Quote from: LloydMooresLegs on January 17, 2014, 01:07:59 PM
Lens:
I was thinking/hoping that he meant non religious in the sense of non religious order- IOW not a priest or a nun of any sort (b/c first he said not a Jesuit). Esard?
I'm sure (or I hope) he meant a lay person, as a opposed to a athiest. I can handle a lay person but to Chicos' point - we're a Catholic school. Deal with it.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 17, 2014, 01:07:36 PM
No thanks on the Greek stuff. It isn't a major selling point for MU and never has been. MU is fine to deprioritize in the future.
As for a non-Jesuit as pres, I'm ok with it, but I still want the school rooted firmly in Catholic roots. It's a Catholic school....allegedly.
Got to agree here. The fraternities we're not popular at all with the students when I was there at the same time as Chicos.
My brother was two years behind me at MU. His non-fraternity story is this. A couple of his sophmore year roommates eventually joined a fraternity. They always invited him their parties. They kept asking him to join their fraternity. He always said no with the rationale, what's the point, you invite me to your parties anyway!? He never joined and they kept inviting to their parties.
What I meant was I really dont see the problem with having a non-religious (lay-person) figure at the helm. Seems to work out pretty well with Georgetown...I gotta admit I was not expecting hate for that comment, simply put, Marquette isnt the same school it was 10 years ago, let alone 30 years ago. Id a lay person is the best fit for the job youre gonna say "thanks but no thanks we want someone less qualified but theyre a Jesuit priest" As for greek life I can go into detail about how it would be beneficial to MU but I know none of you are gonna agree with me no matter what I say so ill just hold off on that one. Oh also, I may be an atheist but that in no way shape or form mean I have less morals then a Christian.
Or maybe I am mistaken with my definition of a lay person. I didnt grow up in a religious household.
No hate. If the lay person is better, great. But better should be defined by how they run a University, not that they are more progressive than the Catholic Church.
The times are always changing. My parents ('73) thought they were in school during a time of great shift. There still is, and will always be, a place for maintaining the teaching of Catholicism.
I think Greek life can be beneficial at large schools.
At a school of MU's size, I'm not sure I see the benefit.
I don't know that sub-dividing the student body into smaller groups and organizations accomplished much. Plus, there are already Greek opportunities, and plenty of other service opportunities on campus if that's what a student is really looking for.
One of the great appeals of Marquette is its Jesuit heritage and the Jesuit commitment to service. One needn't be Roman Catholic to understand and embrace the essence of this tradition of seeking improvement through serving, giving, and helping. I have Anglican vicars and bishops in my lineage but I am convinced they would share my enthusiasm for the ideals articulated in the Jesuit curricula.
While not opposed to the hiring of a lay leader I would submit that a crucial selection criteria must be that individual's whole hearted advocacy of the Jesuit philosophical heritage for that is Marquette's raison d'être.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on January 17, 2014, 02:24:28 PM
I think Greek life can be beneficial at large schools.
At a school of MU's size, I'm not sure I see the benefit.
I don't know that sub-dividing the student body into smaller groups and organizations accomplished much. Plus, there are already Greek opportunities, and plenty of other service opportunities on campus if that's what a student is really looking for.
If the subject of Greek life is a factor in this search then Marquette is in deep trouble. I do not think the significance of this hire can be overstated given the damage done by the previous occupant of the seat. The consideration of lay candidates is a very positive departure but Marquette must remain true to its Jesuit values, principles, and objectives if it is to remain a viable alternative to public-sponsored education.
if you want a private school with a big Greek presence, go to Bradley or Depauw. That's not Marquette's thing.
and this is from a frat boy.
We just hired a Jesuit. He wasn't the right person for the job. IMHO, the next president is going to have to combine a commitment to the Jesuit Catholic ideal of service with a tremendous ability to fund-raise.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 17, 2014, 01:07:36 PM
No thanks on the Greek stuff. It isn't a major selling point for MU and never has been. MU is fine to deprioritize in the future.
As for a non-Jesuit as pres, I'm ok with it, but I still want the school rooted firmly in Catholic roots. It's a Catholic school....allegedly.
Agree on all counts. Maybe I was lucky. I lived for 2 years on 4 South (Schroeder Hall) and we had all the good things a frat could offer (eclectic mix of athletes, musicians, smart guys, comedians, party people and serious students who all pretty much meshed and became good friends) without the hazing and often faux brotherhood stuff. When we all moved to apartments junior year it was as if we had several frat houses for socializing. Our football, basketball and softball teams stayed together post dorm and played in the independent league. Had plenty of friends in the frats (those AKPsi guys could seriously party) but still thought MU was small enough that they weren't really necessary.
Regarding a president, I'd want competent and Catholic. If we can find a jesuit who best fits those criteria all the better - but not a requirement.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on January 17, 2014, 02:49:22 PM
if you want a private school with a big Greek presence, go to Bradley or Depauw. That's not Marquette's thing.
and this is from a frat boy.
I visited DePauw. The tour leaders flat out told us that (A) the first week on campus was rush week so (B) unless you made previous plans in writing, only plan to live in the freshman dorm that first week as you would be choosing a frat and moving into the house at the end of the first week. Combine that with fact that Greencastle has nothing else going on.....no thanks. But thanks for the huge scholarship offer.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 17, 2014, 02:53:45 PM
Agree on all counts. Maybe I was lucky. I lived for 2 years on 4 South (Schroeder Hall) and we had all the good things a frat could offer (eclectic mix of athletes, musicians, smart guys, comedians, party people and serious students who all pretty much meshed and became good friends) without the hazing and often faux brotherhood stuff. When we all moved to apartments junior year it was as if we had several frat houses for socializing. Our football, basketball and softball teams stayed together post dorm and played in the independent league. Had plenty of friends in the frats (those AKPsi guys could seriously party) but still thought MU was small enough that they weren't really necessary.
Regarding a president, I'd want competent and Catholic. If we can find a jesuit who best fits those criteria all the better - but not a requirement.
Agreed 100%. My best friends today are the guys that I lived with at McCormack and then for the next 3 years- Tower and two off campus houses.
At the risk of feeling the wrath of Chili and others here, a great non-frat model is ND (though I would not change the MU model; also, I get that when Many of us attended MU, the drinking age was 18 and there was no need for frats or their substitutes for "social" purposes). Their "fraternity" is their dorm - no hazing/silly admission rituals/competitions - they tend to live in their dorm for 3 years with some staying for the 4th (mostly RAs). Built in mentors, activities, culture, ritual etc.
And couldn't agree more with those who have said lay person is fine, but the president needs to have a demonstrated commitment to Catholic and, specifically, Jesuit ideals of education and service.
Legs, you're on probation.
;)
See this is the big misconcption about fraternities. Most of the guys in mine did not join just to find a way to drink. We could have found a way. There is so much more to a fraternity that GDIs dont understand. Also, our fraternity doesnt haze or even have pledges for that matter at all so dont put everybody into the same group.
Quote from: tower912 on January 17, 2014, 03:00:15 PM
I visited DePauw. The tour leaders flat out told us that (A) the first week on campus was rush week so (B) unless you made previous plans in writing, only plan to live in the freshman dorm that first week as you would be choosing a frat and moving into the house at the end of the first week. Combine that with fact that Greencastle has nothing else going on.....no thanks. But thanks for the huge scholarship offer.
DePauw is an outstanding undergraduate school. The fact they were waving a scholarship at you is impressive. Having choices makes life easier.
The lack of frats was a huge selling point for me at Marquette.
Don't care about the president, I kind of want Jesuit. The pope is killing it and could ride his coattails a bit.
Quote from: PTM on January 19, 2014, 08:04:38 PM
The Pope is killing it and could ride his coattails a bit.
Strangest use of "this will help recruiting.."
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on January 19, 2014, 09:06:40 PM
Strangest use of "this will help recruiting.."
Well done.
Just excited about what he is doing and makes me even more proud of the Jesuit connection.
Well just to keep everybody updated Marquette just approved expansion for both fraternities and sororities so wether you like it or not Greek life will be growing a lot by this fall.
Quote from: esard2011 on January 21, 2014, 01:47:39 AM
Well just to keep everybody updated Marquette just approved expansion for both fraternities and sororities so wether you like it or not Greek life will be growing a lot by this fall.
Where are the houses for these organizations? Frat Row in Ann Arbor or a U Dub has an impressive group of buildings. There isnothing like that around MU.
Michigan Frats, Ann Arbor
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U Dub Frats, Seattle
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Marquette Frat?
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Quote from: LloydMooresLegs on January 18, 2014, 10:26:45 AM
Agreed 100%. My best friends today are the guys that I lived with at McCormack and
Same here. The guys I met in my McCormick wing freshmen year stayed the closest.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on January 21, 2014, 08:07:53 AM
Same here. The guys I met in my McCormick wing freshmen year stayed the closest.
Yep me too, even started a podcast with one of those guys in McCormick ;D
Quote from: esard2011 on January 21, 2014, 01:47:39 AM
Well just to keep everybody updated Marquette just approved expansion for both fraternities and sororities so wether you like it or not Greek life will be growing a lot by this fall.
Yeeeeeeeah! More bros that still pretend to care about social issues when required and otherwise be general scumbags
Way to go!
Quote from: PTM on January 21, 2014, 11:04:17 PM
Yeeeeeeeah! More bros that still pretend to care about social issues when required and otherwise be general scumbags
Way to go!
Wow...did a frat guy crap in your corn flakes, PTM??
I am personally neutral on Frats but they have their place. My dad was a Sigma Chi at USC and that seemed important to him. I have known a lot of great guys who did the frat thing in college. On some campuses it is absolving the university of capex in housing but in most it is social.
Marquette doesn't have that tradition, for whatever reason, and it lacks the infrastructure one associates with Greek Houses. The only similar organizations I recall from my days were the Rabbits, Evans Scholars, and the Rugby House. Rabbits socialized at Lenny's and were solid guys. I am unaware of any social justice genetics among them back then but I wouldn't have called them "scum bags."
Any idea why Greek never took hold at MU? All I can think is that Greek communities had an anti-Catholic bias more than a century ago which may have retarded their development in Catholic campus communities.
Quote from: keefe on January 21, 2014, 11:59:16 PM
Wow...did a frat guy crap in your corn flakes, PTM??
I am personally neutral on Frats but they have their place. My dad was a Sigma Chi at USC and that seemed important to him. I have known a lot of great guys who did the frat thing in college. On some campuses it is absolving the university of capex in housing but in most it is social.
Marquette doesn't have that tradition, for whatever reason, and it lacks the infrastructure one associates with Greek Houses. The only similar organizations I recall from my days were the Rabbits, Evans Scholars, and the Rugby House. Rabbits socialized at Lenny's and were solid guys. I am unaware of any social justice genetics among them back then but I wouldn't have called them "scum bags."
Any idea why Greek never took hold at MU? All I can think is that Greek communities had an anti-Catholic bias more than a century ago which may have retarded their development in Catholic campus communities.
No, I don't see a reason to further develop these. I went to plenty of frat parties, had friends in them and was asked to join a couple.
The Greek system had it's use back in the day and still do on a lot of campuses, but I see then as unnecessary on a modern college campus that lacks the presence.
Didn't we all learn from the hit ABC Family show 'Greek' that frats and sororities are quite awesome?
I mean, Cappie and Spitter .. the parties and pranks those guys did .. wow.
Oozma Kappa for life, bro!
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Yes Greek life is lacking at MU but it is a huge factor at other schools. Just look at this bid day video for Delta Gamma (a sorority) at FSU. Its not NSFW per say but I doubt your bosses would be pleased with you watching a video of 18-22 year old sorority girls dancing around.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8v0YXIRnbU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8v0YXIRnbU)
I dunno. Back in the day, I belonged to 2 frats: I Felta Thi and Tappa Kegga.
The President and Greek life thing dovetail in a way...
Marquette needs to stay true to its culture. There has been a lot of change at MU in the past decade or so, most of it overwhelmingly for the good. A basketball renaissance, increased academic rigor, construction of new state of the art buildings, a rise in national prestige.
However, its an important time to remember that MU needs to stay true to its values, and its culture.
Greek life has never been a large part of MU's culture. I am ok if it is allowed a slightly larger niche, but it should never become what it is at larger schools. Part of the draw to MU for me was a small Greek life presence, and I know many, many people who expressed similar sentiments. I was glad that it did not dominate my undergrad experience. It is there if folks really want it, but it was never more than 5-10% of the student body. And that's the way it should stay. That is part of MU's unique culture. People looking for a larger Greek life experience should go elsewhere.
I really didn't ever see the value of fraternities at MU. But if its important to some people, I'm ok with allowing a half dozen of them to exist.
Keep in mind there have been a LOT of issues with fraternities at MU in the past. In the late 1990s/early 2000s, many of them were shut down for disciplinary and academic issues. They have a pretty lousy record overall. Perhaps this has changed, but given the track record I don't see much potential upside for the university community to allowing them to expand beyond their current niche.
Likewise, the Jesuit values are also part of MU's culture. Like Greek life, there is some wiggle room. A layperson can become President. But this person should stay true to the values and culture and MU's rich heritage. Things should not drastically change. You aren't going to get co-ed floors. You just aren't. And that's ok. It's part of the MU experience. We still had lots of ways to have fun without co-ed floors and fraternities. Believe me.
Well said, Bleuteax. The lack of a strong Greek system was a draw for me. As was the setting in downtown Milwaukee, a fascinating city with a wonderful lakefront. As opposed to DePauw, a school in a tiny town on the Indiana prairie with a strong Greek system and nothing to do.
I understand that MU has a culture I really do. When I came to MU I was very anti-greek as well and never thought I would join a fraternity. I completely understand that it just isnt for people I guess the point im trying to get across is that I just hate that people go by the stereotypes they hear in mainstream media who really dont understand what Greek life is all about. Thats all.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on January 22, 2014, 08:26:07 AM
Oozma Kappa for life, bro!
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When the movie came out, my kids constantly told me that they are stealing the Marquette name.
Quote from: esard2011 on January 22, 2014, 09:58:58 AM
Yes Greek life is lacking at MU but it is a huge factor at other schools. Just look at this bid day video for Delta Gamma (a sorority) at FSU. Its not NSFW per say but I doubt your bosses would be pleased with you watching a video of 18-22 year old sorority girls dancing around.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8v0YXIRnbU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8v0YXIRnbU)
where are the fat chicks?
Here I thought this thread was sayin' Obama resigned.
Quote from: esard2011 on January 22, 2014, 10:26:24 AM
I understand that MU has a culture I really do. When I came to MU I was very anti-greek as well and never thought I would join a fraternity. I completely understand that it just isnt for people I guess the point im trying to get across is that I just hate that people go by the stereotypes they hear in mainstream media who really dont understand what Greek life is all about. Thats all.
That's fair.
Even if we strip away all of the fraternity cliches and BS, I'm still not sure how adding more Greek life really benefits MU.
MU doesn't have a huge student population, and it seems to me that there are already plenty of service opportunities and social organizations to join.
I'm not sure that sub-dividing the student body into smaller groups is a great idea.
At UW-Madison, I see the benefit of the greek organizations. I'm not sure I see it for MU.
However, I've never been in a frat, so maybe I'm really missing something.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on January 22, 2014, 08:06:54 AM
Didn't we all learn from the hit ABC Family show 'Greek' that frats and sororities are quite awesome?
I mean, Cappie and Spitter .. the parties and pranks those guys did .. wow.
I'm not a tv watcher so I don't know that show but I do know Animal House. Faber College Greek Life was really a metaphor for American society in the pre-Beatle '60's.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on January 23, 2014, 11:41:08 AM
That's fair.
Even if we strip away all of the fraternity cliches and BS, I'm still not sure how adding more Greek life really benefits MU.
MU doesn't have a huge student population, and it seems to me that there are already plenty of service opportunities and social organizations to join.
I'm not sure that sub-dividing the student body into smaller groups is a great idea.
At UW-Madison, I see the benefit of the greek organizations. I'm not sure I see it for MU.
However, I've never been in a frat, so maybe I'm really missing something.
These are my thoughts, summed up much better.
Quote from: Waldo Jeffers on January 22, 2014, 11:49:29 AM
where are the fat chicks?
How about anyone with short hair? Like, 60 plus girls, and all with hair the same length. That's just weird. Maybe not as weird as a 50 year old man watching the video and noticing the hair length, but still...
There has been a decline in Greek participation at a lot of schools. Part of that has to do with schools putting the clamps down on them due to the aforementioned behavior, but part of that is that many in this generation really aren't "joiners." Or if they are going to join something, it will be a student group associated with their major or with an issue that really drives them.
And in general it's good for students to join *something.* Students who join student groups are retained and graduate at a higher rate, and generally report feeling better about their college experience.
That being said, I have no idea why MU would be promoting this more. Perhaps to be more competitive with school out east that have a more robust Greek system?
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 24, 2014, 12:41:53 PM
There has been a decline in Greek participation at a lot of schools. Part of that has to do with schools putting the clamps down on them due to the aforementioned behavior, but part of that is that many in this generation really aren't "joiners." Or if they are going to join something, it will be a student group associated with their major or with an issue that really drives them.
And in general it's good for students to join *something.* Students who join student groups are retained and graduate at a higher rate, and generally report feeling better about their college experience.
That being said, I have no idea why MU would be promoting this more. Perhaps to be more competitive with school out east that have a more robust Greek system?
Well for Sororities its out of need. The sororities that we have are very saturated and there are more girls looking to join then there are available. For the new fraternity its because Scott Walkers son pitched a fit that he didnt like any of the fraternities (when he only even looked into 2 of them) so he probably talked to dear old dad and got his way.
Quote from: esard2011 on January 24, 2014, 01:11:27 PM
Well for Sororities its out of need. The sororities that we have are very saturated and there are more girls looking to join then there are available. For the new fraternity its because Scott Walkers son pitched a fit that he didnt like any of the fraternities (when he only even looked into 2 of them) so he probably talked to dear old dad and got his way.
So you're saying that Scott Walker pulled strings so that Marquette would create more frats?
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on January 24, 2014, 01:13:02 PM
So you're saying that Scott Walker pulled strings so that Marquette would create more frats?
I dont think there was string pulling there are complex rules for expansion that I dont know but I think that if the IFC didnt open up for expansion voluntarily then Walker would have played a far bigger role.
Quote from: esard2011 on January 24, 2014, 01:19:19 PM
I dont think there was string pulling there are complex rules for expansion that I dont know but I think that if the IFC didnt open up for expansion voluntarily then Walker would have played a far bigger role.
Walker isn't going to invest political capital in trying to get a private university to expand its greek system.
Quote from: esard2011 on January 24, 2014, 01:19:19 PM
I dont think there was string pulling there are complex rules for expansion that I dont know but I think that if the IFC didnt open up for expansion voluntarily then Walker would have played a far bigger role.
you're high.
When Kappa Sigma came on to campus 10-15 years ago, it was all student gov't types. don't know if that's still the case. but those are the kids that are connected with the admin and are considered "safe" vs the rest of the d-bags like ZFB and his ilk.
According to today's University news briefs:
To date, more than 1,200 individuals have been recommended or nominated, expressed interest, or were targeted as potential candidates.
1200? Blah, blah, blah. Fr. Jim McDermott, S.J., '91 is the only one MU should be looking at.
While I am fraudulently putting words in his mouth, he will be absolutely committed to bringing back the Warrior name.
Quote from: Sir Lawrence on February 06, 2014, 04:06:15 PM
According to today's University news briefs:
To date, more than 1,200 individuals have been recommended or nominated, expressed interest, or were targeted as potential candidates.
Who's running the search, Phil Emery?
Thank you, thank you...
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on February 07, 2014, 11:42:47 AM
1200? Blah, blah, blah. Fr. Jim McDermott, S.J., '91 is the only one MU should be looking at.
While I am fraudulently putting words in his mouth, he will be absolutely committed to bringing back the Warrior name.
I'm glad you said it....I saw that 1200 the other day and just started shaking my head. My hope is that this was just MU putting a number out there to show how many people are wanting to lead the university and find it a special place. If this is a serious list, my head is going to explode....which is why it can't be a serious list.
I have to assume they have a list of 25 to 40 people they started with and will due their homework on....maybe much less than that number. Come up with their 5 to 7 that make the cut, put those to the board, do their interviews, white smoke comes out of the chimney and we're done.
1,200....smh
Well, I did submit Scoop's user list for consideration.
Removing all the China spam accounts, we're riiiiiight at 1200.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on February 07, 2014, 02:37:34 PM
Well, I did submit Scoop's user list for consideration.
Removing all the China spam accounts, we're riiiiiight at 1200.
I wondered how they got my name.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 07, 2014, 01:40:51 PM
I'm glad you said it....I saw that 1200 the other day and just started shaking my head. My hope is that this was just MU putting a number out there to show how many people are wanting to lead the university and find it a special place. If this is a serious list, my head is going to explode....which is why it can't be a serious list.
I have to assume they have a list of 25 to 40 people they started with and will due their homework on....maybe much less than that number. Come up with their 5 to 7 that make the cut, put those to the board, do their interviews, white smoke comes out of the chimney and we're done.
1,200....smh
They've hired Witt/Kieffer to run the search.
I have no experience with them specifically, but this is why you hire a search firm. They will go through every single name, send out an email to that individual about the position. Most of those people won't bother to apply. But any applicant will reviewed by the firm. Eventually they will narrow it down to the 30-50 that they feel are the best candidates, and the search committee will review those applications more in-depth.
Don't read too much into the 1200 figure.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on February 07, 2014, 11:42:47 AM
1200? Blah, blah, blah. Fr. Jim McDermott, S.J., '91 is the only one MU should be looking at.
While I am fraudulently putting words in his mouth, he will be absolutely committed to bringing back the Warrior name.
I'd back that. He was my next door neighbor freshman year.
Does McDermott have any administration experience?
We could all list 3 or 4 Jesuits we love, but I doubt MU is gonna go with anyone who isn't already a university president or at least someone very high up in university administration.
On another thread I did float Daniel Hendrickson SJ, who is an Associate Vice President, and a professor in the College of Education, but I think he might be too inexperienced yet. He's only been in administration for two years. But I do like the idea of promoting someone from within, who already knows MU's character.
Interestingly, Hendrickson is also MU's Title IX Coordinator.
Quote from: Bleuteaux on February 11, 2014, 09:29:47 AM
Does McDermott have any administration experience?
We could all list 3 or 4 Jesuits we love, but I doubt MU is gonna go with anyone who isn't already a university president or at least someone very high up in university administration.
On another thread I did float Daniel Hendrickson SJ, who is an Associate Vice President, and a professor in the College of Education, but I think he might be too inexperienced yet. He's only been in administration for two years. But I do like the idea of promoting someone from within, who already knows MU's character.
Interestingly, Hendrickson is also MU's Title IX Coordinator.
MU just got a anonymous $10 million donation. Not coincidentally it came right after Pillarz left and Wild returned.
Do any of the above have experience in talking to the type of people that give these types of donations. Do they have any experience in getting these types of donations. Do you have any reason to believe they know how to smooze people worth a few hundred million or more? Wild certainly can do this, and he proved it again. Problem is he is too old.
Sorry to say this is a critical part of the President's job. Operational competence is what the people immediately under the President need to have. I think the names above are better considered as Deans of colleges and/or Provost, not President.
Quote from: Heisenberg on February 11, 2014, 10:29:09 AM
MU just got a anonymous $10 million donation. Not coincidentally it came right after Pillarz left and Wild returned.
Do any of the above have experience in talking to the type of people that give these types of donations. Do they have any experience in getting these types of donations. Do you have any reason to believe they know how to smooze people worth a few hundred million or more? Wild certainly can do this, and he proved it again. Problem is he is too old.
Sorry to say this is a critical part of the President's job. Operational competence is what the people immediately under the President need to have. I think the names above are better considered as Deans of colleges and/or Provost, not President.
Not many people are going to come in with this experience, but they need to have the ability to relate to people, speak with passion about the vision of the institution and where philanthropy fits into that vision.
I mean, Pilarz had experience with that at Scranton, and it didn't do him any good once he got here. I doubt someone like Fr. Raynor had any experience with that prior to MU, and he raised money like Wild did.
For anyone who's interested: http://www.marquette.edu/provost/documents/Bioprovostsite.pdf
Quote from: Heisenberg on February 11, 2014, 10:29:09 AM
MU just got a anonymous $10 million donation. Not coincidentally it came right after Pillarz left and Wild returned.
Do any of the above have experience in talking to the type of people that give these types of donations. Do they have any experience in getting these types of donations. Do you have any reason to believe they know how to smooze people worth a few hundred million or more? Wild certainly can do this, and he proved it again. Problem is he is too old.
Sorry to say this is a critical part of the President's job. Operational competence is what the people immediately under the President need to have. I think the names above are better considered as Deans of colleges and/or Provost, not President.
I hear what you are saying. I think that's especially true at non-Jesuit universities. But I think Marquette is looking for more than fundraiser-in-chief.
The person must be a good fundraiser, but also exemplify Jesuit values. You will never get a politician simply because they are a good fundraiser at Marquette. The President needs to be more than that.
Quote from: Bleuteaux on February 11, 2014, 11:15:48 AM
I hear what you are saying. I think that's especially true at non-Jesuit universities. But I think Marquette is looking for more than fundraiser-in-chief.
The person must be a good fundraiser, but also exemplify Jesuit values. You will never get a politician simply because they are a good fundraiser at Marquette. The President needs to be more than that.
Let's remember what happened.
In May MU issued a "vision" for the university. That includes raising the University profile and its US News ranking.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=38621.0
Soon after that Pillarz is shown the door.
Point is the job description of University President changed last May. That's why Pillarz is gone. The new job is about raising the profile of the school. That starts with raising a lot of money!
Test ... The New President has to be capable of Getting Marcus Lemonis to write a big enough check to name the b-school after him (I'll guess that should be in the $20 million range). No doubt Wild can.
http://www.ask.com/wiki/Marcus_Lemonis?o=2800&qsrc=999&ad=doubleDown&an=apn&ap=ask.com
Side note, the new B-School Dean needs to be able to so the same. I think Epli (acting dean) can.
Quote from: Heisenberg on February 11, 2014, 10:29:09 AM
MU just got a anonymous $10 million donation. Not coincidentally it came right after Pillarz left and Wild returned.
Could be a result of the change, but could also have been in the works for a long time, as well. Announcements like these are usually done for strategic reasons also. Helps to kick start others, etc.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 11, 2014, 01:47:10 PM
Could be a result of the change, but could also have been in the works for a long time, as well. Announcements like these are usually done for strategic reasons also. Helps to kick start others, etc.
One thing we do know - the $10,000,000 man didn't rip up his check in protest when Pilarz was released and Wild returned. I connect the dots and guess Fr Wild's return helped with this.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 11, 2014, 01:55:56 PM
One thing we do know - the $10,000,000 man didn't rip up his check in protest when Pilarz was released and Wild returned. I connect the dots and guess Fr Wild's return helped with this.
Correct, though I would hope anyone making that kind of contribution is doing it for the school and tax benefits, not based on who is the President. But, for some people, it matters absolutely.
My experience with friends who work in advancement (MU, UCLA, IU, OSU, etc) is that these big ones often take many months (years) of cultivating and planning. How the donation works, how the tax implications are handled, etc, just take a long time. But no question you are right in that some folks who is running the show it is a critical part of the process. Depends ultimately on the donor, what the donation is for, etc. My most recent example is at UCLA where they are building a new practice facility. Friend is working with a well heeled booster that will donation $5M plus. Donor is doing it 100% because of Jim Mora and that relationship and the AD, President, etc are essentially just bystanders.
Quote from: Heisenberg on February 11, 2014, 10:29:09 AM
MU just got a anonymous $10 million donation.
By the way, was this earmarked for anything? Or just a general donation?
Nvm...google just answered my question.
Awesome that JP Donnelly, SJ made the picture...
http://www.jsonline.com/news/education/marquette-university-gets-anonymous-10-million-gift-b99192370z1-242228701.html
Odds that Wild has a building named after him within 20 years? I gotta think its >90% chance
Quote from: Bleuteaux on February 11, 2014, 02:32:45 PM
Nvm...google just answered my question.
Awesome that JP Donnelly, SJ made the picture...
http://www.jsonline.com/news/education/marquette-university-gets-anonymous-10-million-gift-b99192370z1-242228701.html
Odds that Wild has a building named after him within 20 years? I gotta think its >90% chance
Yes the Jesuit residence. Just waiting for him to retire again (this is my guess, no inside info)
Quote from: Bleuteaux on February 11, 2014, 02:32:45 PM
Awesome that JP Donnelly, SJ made the picture...
Wow, I would not have recognized him had you not identified him. Where have the years gone?
The most striking thing about that photo is the complete lack of young Jesuits. This is a problem throughout the Church and is crippling Diocesan operations. I really do think the Church needs to sort out its position on a number of issues that are inhibiting the recruitment and retention of clergy and abbesses.
The Church of England liturgy is identical to the Roman Catholic Church and many RC parishes now have married CE vicars providing divine services and sacraments through an ecumenical agreement between The Vatican and Canterbury. I think RC needs to accept certain realities if it is to remain viable as a contributing service entity at the community level.
I am CE but attend RC Mass almost as often as I do the Anglican service. Fact is, the exercise of faith is the same but the CE has far less personnel strain as the allowance for married clergy opens up the aperture to many who might otherwise not elect to serve in that way. I have been to many Episcopal services where the vicar was a she and that never bothered me in the least. I wonder if The Vatican under the new Pontiff is ready to come to terms with a critical manpower problem? It is bloody difficult to fight a war without platoon leaders.
Quote from: Bleuteaux on February 11, 2014, 02:32:45 PM
Nvm...google just answered my question.
Awesome that JP Donnelly, SJ made the picture...
http://www.jsonline.com/news/education/marquette-university-gets-anonymous-10-million-gift-b99192370z1-242228701.html
Odds that Wild has a building named after him within 20 years? I gotta think its >90% chance
The Wild Building would seem to be a perfect name for one of the new Frat houses.
Quote from: keefe on February 15, 2014, 05:46:25 PM
Wow, I would not have recognized him had you not identified him. Where have the years gone?
The most striking thing about that photo is the complete lack of young Jesuits. This is a problem throughout the Church and is crippling Diocesan operations. I really do think the Church needs to sort out its position on a number of issues that are inhibiting the recruitment and retention of clergy and abbesses.
The Church of England liturgy is identical to the Roman Catholic Church and many RC parishes now have married CE vicars providing divine services and sacraments through an ecumenical agreement between The Vatican and Canterbury. I think RC needs to accept certain realities if it is to remain viable as a contributing service entity at the community level.
I am CE but attend RC Mass almost as often as I do the Anglican service. Fact is, the exercise of faith is the same but the CE has far less personnel strain as the allowance for married clergy opens up the aperture to many who might otherwise not elect to serve in that way. I have been to many Episcopal services where the vicar was a she and that never bothered me in the least. I wonder if The Vatican under the new Pontiff is ready to come to terms with a critical manpower problem? It is bloody difficult to fight a war without platoon leaders.
Agree with everything you say but women priests just won't happen in our lifetime. The Vatican moves at a snails pace. That said I think married priests are not only possible but likely, due to the dwindling numbers as you said.
Unfortunately a married diocesan priesthood would completely bury religious orders such as the Jesuits, along with all other orders that require celibacy would eventually die out.
Quote from: The Sultan of Serenity on February 11, 2014, 11:01:11 AM
Not many people are going to come in with this experience, but they need to have the ability to relate to people, speak with passion about the vision of the institution and where philanthropy fits into that vision.
I mean, Pilarz had experience with that at Scranton, and it didn't do him any good once he got here. I doubt someone like Fr. Raynor had any experience with that prior to MU, and he raised money like Wild did.
Sultan, Although you are right that not many people have the experience to bring in big money right away, if MU does not hire one of those people it is a failed search. The president's job is one thing and one thing only, raise money. Administration tasks generally fall to the Provost level.
One can be successful without the prior experience, but you are making it an uphill battle from day 1.
As to the 1200 applicants comment, agree with your assessment. Those are publicity numbers, they assuredly have a list of less than 50 that they are actually considering. Most of those didn't formally apply, they were specifically targeted and contacted as to their interest level.
Quote from: Bleuteaux on February 16, 2014, 03:10:48 PM
Agree with everything you say but women priests just won't happen in our lifetime. The Vatican moves at a snails pace. That said I think married priests are not only possible but likely, due to the dwindling numbers as you said.
Unfortunately a married diocesan priesthood would completely bury religious orders such as the Jesuits, along with all other orders that require celibacy would eventually die out.
I have less faith that the institution of marriage will even survive. People aren't getting married as much...we've done a good job of diluting its value and encouraging other endeavors. Marriage rates are falling dramatically. The birth rate will continue to drop (because of this and other societal changes) to the point where it is extremely problematic....Japan is in a terrible bind right now because of it.
We reap what we sow as a society, I just feel bad for my kids that will have to live longer in it than I will.
Quote from: Bleuteaux on February 16, 2014, 03:10:48 PM
Agree with everything you say but women priests just won't happen in our lifetime. The Vatican moves at a snails pace. That said I think married priests are not only possible but likely, due to the dwindling numbers as you said.
Unfortunately a married diocesan priesthood would completely bury religious orders such as the Jesuits, along with all other orders that require celibacy would eventually die out.
But they all now require celibacy and that is likely the single biggest reason there isn't one Jesuit under the age of 70 in that photo. There is a huge difference in mission, battle rhythm, and end game between Jesuits and Diocesans. Frankly, I think that a married vicar has a keener appreciation of his flock's struggles and torments than the single, celibate priest.
My wife was RC and I am CE so we split time between parishes throughout. We helped with some of the Marriage Encounter groups over the years and I could see that a married clergy had a deeper understanding of marital issues from the simple fact of having had to deal with a female in an intimate relationship.
As for female priests, I have been in CE services with a woman vicar and I can attest that her genital gear issue doesn't interfere with her ability to provide sacramental service. And frankly speaking, the 800 pound gorilla in the room is that the celibacy criteria is a major factor in what has been going on in parishes around the world for generations.
The North American Church has been addressing its priest shortfall by importing clergy from French speaking Africa and the Philippines. They are also allowing CE vicars to say Mass. But these solutions are ignoring the problem which is a huge risk factor for the Church. Francis has a unique opportunity to engineer real change. Let's see if he has the courage to save the Church.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 16, 2014, 03:33:30 PM
I have less faith that the institution of marriage will even survive. People aren't getting married as much...we've done a good job of diluting its value and encouraging other endeavors. Marriage rates are falling dramatically. The birth rate will continue to drop (because of this and other societal changes) to the point where it is extremely problematic....Japan is in a terrible bind right now because of it.
We reap what we sow as a society, I just feel bad for my kids that will have to live longer in it than I will.
The Pill. This is all because of The Pill.
Quote from: keefe on February 16, 2014, 03:46:23 PM
The Pill. This is all because of The Pill.
That is what I was talking about with "other societal changes", but I don't agree it is all the pill. It's a huge chunk, but many people just don't want to have kids anymore. The desire to have them is gone...career is more valued than motherhood...heck, I see where some women who are stay at home mothers feel put down because that is what they chose to do. Very sad, but that's how they feel. We do that enough as a society, we stigmatize that somehow women who do this are less, than you will have fewer and fewer women choosing to do so.
Sad.
Quote from: forgetful on February 16, 2014, 03:20:14 PM
As to the 1200 applicants comment, agree with your assessment. Those are publicity numbers, they assuredly have a list of less than 50 that they are actually considering. Most of those didn't formally apply, they were specifically targeted and contacted as to their interest level.
The search committee is currently considering about 15 and expects to be down to 3-4 finalists within 30 to 45 days. There is still every expectation that the new President will be in place for the start of the school year. Permanent Provost search will be launched immediately thereafter followed by Bus. Ad Dean, etc.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 16, 2014, 03:57:27 PM
That is what I was talking about with "other societal changes", but I don't agree it is all the pill. It's a huge chunk, but many people just don't want to have kids anymore. The desire to have them is gone...career is more valued than motherhood...heck, I see where some women who are stay at home mothers feel put down because that is what they chose to do. Very sad, but that's how they feel. We do that enough as a society, we stigmatize that somehow women who do this are less, than you will have fewer and fewer women choosing to do so.
Sad.
Chico's you are so far away from what the actual issues are with these statements. The reason fewer are getting married and few are having kids, is frankly they can't. They must at least go to college (most to grad school) to get a job that is sufficient to consider having a family. Because grad school is often required it creates a two body problem late in life when people would normally settle down. That means college relationships are not often viewed as precursors to a marriage, they realize that they will be separating for grad school (similar to high school-college a few decades ago).
Once they finally do have a job, they are facing student loan payments that often exceed peoples house note. Thus, they feel a burden of having to get their affairs in order before marriage is an option. Those that are married, cannot afford a child because of the costs of their education, so they are forced to wait. That leaves many having 1 or at most 2 kids, later in life, instead of 2-4 kids while they are young.
It is not the pill, or valuing a career more than motherhood. It is the requirement of a two family income and lengthy and costly education that is the issue.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 16, 2014, 03:57:27 PM
That is what I was talking about with "other societal changes", but I don't agree it is all the pill. It's a huge chunk, but many people just don't want to have kids anymore. The desire to have them is gone...career is more valued than motherhood...heck, I see where some women who are stay at home mothers feel put down because that is what they chose to do. Very sad, but that's how they feel. We do that enough as a society, we stigmatize that somehow women who do this are less, than you will have fewer and fewer women choosing to do so.
Sad.
People are choosing not to have kids, or choosing to have less kids, because kids are expensive. There really isn't more to it than that.
Quote from: The Sultan of Serenity on February 11, 2014, 11:01:11 AM
Not many people are going to come in with this experience, but they need to have the ability to relate to people, speak with passion about the vision of the institution and where philanthropy fits into that vision.
I mean, Pilarz had experience with that at Scranton, and it didn't do him any good once he got here. I doubt someone like Fr. Raynor had any experience with that prior to MU, and he raised money like Wild did.
Yeah, and DiUlio had jebbie Unversity (Xavier) experience, too, and look what a disaster that turned out to be. (Ask any of the old timers about their MU pension fund.)
And, if truth be told, I don't think announcing a $7.5 million donation to build a jebbie residence in these tight economic times sets the right tone for Fr. Wilde's "re-inauguration."
On the other hand, I hope the selection committee gives very serious consideration is given to selecting a woman president, for reasons I've mentioned in an earlier post.
Quote from: wildbill sb on February 16, 2014, 04:36:15 PM
Yeah, and DiUlio had jebbie Unversity (Xavier) experience, too, and look what a disaster that turned out to be. (Ask any of the old timers about their MU pension fund.)
And, if truth be told, I don't think announcing a $7.5 million donation to build a jebbie residence in these tight economic times sets the right tone for Fr. Wilde's "re-inauguration."
On the other hand, I hope the selection committee gives very serious consideration is given to selecting a woman president, for reasons I've mentioned in an earlier post.
So you think if someone offers to donate 7.5 million for a new Jesuit residence .... Marquette should say no?
Quote from: keefe on February 16, 2014, 03:44:43 PM
But they all now require celibacy and that is likely the single biggest reason there isn't one Jesuit under the age of 70 in that photo. There is a huge difference in mission, battle rhythm, and end game between Jesuits and Diocesans. Frankly, I think that a married vicar has a keener appreciation of his flock's struggles and torments than the single, celibate priest.
My wife was RC and I am CE so we split time between parishes throughout. We helped with some of the Marriage Encounter groups over the years and I could see that a married clergy had a deeper understanding of marital issues from the simple fact of having had to deal with a female in an intimate relationship.
As for female priests, I have been in CE services with a woman vicar and I can attest that her genital gear issue doesn't interfere with her ability to provide sacramental service. And frankly speaking, the 800 pound gorilla in the room is that the celibacy criteria is a major factor in what has been going on in parishes around the world for generations.
The North American Church has been addressing its priest shortfall by importing clergy from French speaking Africa and the Philippines. They are also allowing CE vicars to say Mass. But these solutions are ignoring the problem which is a huge risk factor for the Church. Francis has a unique opportunity to engineer real change. Let's see if he has the courage to save the Church.
Again, I agree with literally all of this.
My point was only that if a married diocesan priesthood was allowed, it would hasten the demise of the Jesuits and other orders.
But I still think it needs to happen.
I am also all for women priests. I just don't think its a realistic expectation, unfortunately.
I was married in a Lutheran Church by a female pastor. Still going 22 years later. My wife ultimately decided to become Catholic, so we returned to the RC Church. What was funny for me is that when my oldest daughter was baptized, no one checked on the validity of our marriage. When my 7 year old was baptized, the current pastor actually had to sit us down and have a talk about getting our marriage recognized by the Catholic church. I amusedly shook my head the whole time but ultimately jumped through the hoop. Kids are expensive and the planet has finite resources. Raising money has to be the next MU president's number 1 priority. Did I miss anything?
Quote from: Bleuteaux on February 16, 2014, 06:03:58 PM
So you think if someone offers to donate 7.5 million for a new Jesuit residence .... Marquette should say no?
Tough call, I admit, and I'm not sure what is the best response to such an offer. Maybe switching the amounts offered - 2.5 for the residence and 7.5 for the scholarship fund? My initial question (which I still hold): Is a new residence hall for the jebbies a higher priority than a significant contribution to helping needy students? It may be simply my perception, or maybe others, as well.
Quote from: forgetful on February 16, 2014, 04:12:36 PM
Chico's you are so far away from what the actual issues are with these statements. The reason fewer are getting married and few are having kids, is frankly they can't. They must at least go to college (most to grad school) to get a job that is sufficient to consider having a family. Because grad school is often required it creates a two body problem late in life when people would normally settle down. That means college relationships are not often viewed as precursors to a marriage, they realize that they will be separating for grad school (similar to high school-college a few decades ago).
Once they finally do have a job, they are facing student loan payments that often exceed peoples house note. Thus, they feel a burden of having to get their affairs in order before marriage is an option. Those that are married, cannot afford a child because of the costs of their education, so they are forced to wait. That leaves many having 1 or at most 2 kids, later in life, instead of 2-4 kids while they are young.
It is not the pill, or valuing a career more than motherhood. It is the requirement of a two family income and lengthy and costly education that is the issue.
Of course financial considerations are part of it, career, schooling, etc. It's not the end all be all for everyone either.
But you're right...there is no knocking motherhood in this country by some, it doesn't happen. Forgive me.
You're also right, everyone requires two incomes and advanced degrees to make it a go in this country. Forgive me. (Somehow my wife's high school degree, no college degree and staying home to raise our two kids is by a miracle)
I'll have to let my wife know that the volunteer work she does, including helping stay at home moms not feel shamed by others and instead value their roles (if they choose it), is wasted work.
A poem she likes to share
Today I left some dishes dirty
the bed got made around 3:30
The diapers soaked a little longer
the odor grew a little stronger
the crumbs I spilled the day before
are staring at me on the floor
the fingerprints there on the wall
will likely be there till next fall
the dirty streaks on the window panes
will still be there next time it rains.
Shame on you you sit and say,
Just what did you do today?
I held a baby till he slept
I held a toddler while she wept
I played a game of hide and seek
I squeezed a toy so it would squeak
I pulled a wagon, sang a song
Tought a child right from wrong
What did I do this whole day through?
not much that shows i guess its true.
unless you think that what Ive done
might be important to someone.
with deep green eyes and soft brown hair
If thats true... Ive done my share.
Looks like Mrs. Chicos tends to be over-persecuted as well.
Quote from: tower912 on February 16, 2014, 06:18:09 PM
I was married "married" in a Lutheran Church by a female pastor.
FIFY.
Quote from: wildbill sb on February 16, 2014, 04:36:15 PM
Yeah, and DiUlio had jebbie Unversity (Xavier) experience, too, and look what a disaster that turned out to be. (Ask any of the old timers about their MU pension fund.)
And, if truth be told, I don't think announcing a $7.5 million donation to build a jebbie residence in these tight economic times sets the right tone for Fr. Wilde's "re-inauguration."
On the other hand, I hope the selection committee gives very serious consideration is given to selecting a woman president, for reasons I've mentioned in an earlier post.
Don't know much about Diulio other then he got rid of Warriors. What else did he do wrong?
I know the 1980s and early 1990s were a tough time for MU, but how much of that was stuff like Dahmer, and how much was it the administrations fault?
Quote from: The Sultan of Serenity on February 16, 2014, 07:18:04 PM
Looks like Mrs. Chicos tends to be over-persecuted as well.
You don't know Mrs. Chicos...she's a wonderful woman....she doesn't feel persecuted at all, she helps those that do. This was our plan from day one, and sometimes it can be difficult.
Usually women that are pressured from their duck husbands to get a job, do it all so they can have a bigger house, get the Mercedes, blah blah. The women feel what they are doing is not up to snuff.
That's the problem I have most with Forgetful's post...a lot of this is about choices. People want it all, they want the big house, the nice cars, the vacations, all of the other stuff. That's what is most important to them. You know what, get the medium sized house, don't pay $45K for a car, try $20K or less, etc, etc. You make tradeoffs in life. I drive a used truck, we have a "nice" house, we certainly could have gotten won a helluva lot more expensive and she would need to go to work....choices.
Dahmer was a convenient scapegoat.
Marquette had no money, needed to invest in infrastructure, it's neighborhood was falling apart, and the late Raynor administration felt a bit complacent. And of course the basketball sucked.
DiUlio had some good ideas. Buying up the crappy buildings around campus was good. Improving the basketball program was important. Trying to convince the city to close Wisconsin Avenue wasn't going to go anywhere. But he simply didn't do a good job with Marquette's top donors. He was elitist and not terribly approachable. Then of course he pissed off everyone with the nickname debacle.
In many ways he woke up the campus and pushed it into the future, but he could never sustain it. Wild was a perfect replacement.
Seems like everyone in LA drives Mercedes, BMW, or Lexus. If ya wanna strut your stuff, move up to Bentley, Ferrari, Maserati, or Maybach, aina?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 16, 2014, 06:28:45 PM
Of course financial considerations are part of it, career, schooling, etc. It's not the end all be all for everyone either.
But you're right...there is no knocking motherhood in this country by some, it doesn't happen. Forgive me.
You're also right, everyone requires two incomes and advanced degrees to make it a go in this country. Forgive me. (Somehow my wife's high school degree, no college degree and staying home to raise our two kids is by a miracle)
I'll have to let my wife know that the volunteer work she does, including helping stay at home moms not feel shamed by others and instead value their roles (if they choose it), is wasted work.
You have completely gone off your rocker on this one. Nowhere in my post did I say a word about those that chose to be stay at home moms. In fact I have the utmost respect for them, also the stay at home dads in this country.
The problem is that you have decided as you note in the follow up post that people that wait til later in life or those that are two income families are doing it out of greed to have bigger homes and nicer things.
You also mention that women are pressured to get a job by their duck husbands (whatever the hell that means). That women that work are apparently powerless saps that are being controlled by their greedy husbands. Get off your high horse, get in touch with reality.
You are very fortunate to be able to have your wife stay at home, very few in this country can afford the same luxury anymore. Two income households are a norm in this country for a reason; they are there because of declining incomes that necessitate two incomes to reach the same level as one previously...not greed as you imply.
Whereas I didn't say a thing about stay at home moms, your statement is insulting to every family in America that has two people working their tails off just to keep the lights on in their household. I will not comment on this further as there is nothing here to debate and this thread is about the MU president, that somehow you managed (as normal) to twist into some unrelated debate.
Stay at home persons, rock.
Quote from: wildbill sb on February 16, 2014, 04:36:15 PM
And, if truth be told, I don't think announcing a $7.5 million donation to build a jebbie residence in these tight economic times sets the right tone for Fr. Wilde's "re-inauguration."
I'm not sure I understand your objection. The pledge was for a specific purpose. And there is hardly anything profilagte, questionable, or excessive in updating the living quarters for Jesuit priests.
Quote from: tower912 on February 16, 2014, 06:18:09 PM
When my 7 year old was baptized, the current pastor actually had to sit us down and have a talk about getting our marriage recognized by the Catholic church. I amusedly shook my head the whole time but ultimately jumped through the hoop.
How was the second bachelor party?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 16, 2014, 07:51:22 PM
I drive a used truck
Is the
Panty Dropper second-hand, too?
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Would like to someone with extensive fund raising capability. I like our strategic plan to raise the profile of the school and we need a much bigger endowment to make that happen. An expert fund raiser will understand that our traditions and history are critical to what make us unique.
Quote from: Bleuteaux on February 11, 2014, 09:29:47 AM
On another thread I did float Daniel Hendrickson SJ, who is an Associate Vice President, and a professor in the College of Education, but I think he might be too inexperienced yet. He's only been in administration for two years. But I do like the idea of promoting someone from within, who already knows MU's character.
Interestingly, Hendrickson is also MU's Title IX Coordinator.
BUMP. Creighton just hired Hendrickson to be their next President. Damn it I'm good.