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Title: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: Untucked on January 09, 2014, 10:29:53 PM
Will Buzz ever realize that Derrick Wilson is not a starting D1 point guard. You finally get a chance to see Dawson play and the offense runs so much smoother. If he continues to play Willson 30 minutes/game, I'll change my original prediction of NIT to a losing record overall. Just think how much better Dawson would be if he had been getting significant minutes all year.
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: nathanziarek on January 09, 2014, 10:32:51 PM
Hey look, another thread on this!
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: LAZER on January 09, 2014, 10:33:21 PM
So after Dawson is 2-6 from the field with 2ast 1to and 3 pf, you're ready to claim he is the difference between a winning or losing season???

Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 09, 2014, 10:33:36 PM
True statement.

9-7 with Derrick. LOL.
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 09, 2014, 10:34:31 PM
Quote from: LAZER on January 09, 2014, 10:33:21 PM
So after Dawson is 2-6 from the field with 2ast 1to and 3 pf, you're ready to claim he is the difference between a winning or losing season???



nope just ready to claim that derrick Wilson is clearly an awful D1 PG and everything points to it. Team record, his stats, the eye test

Hell, a blind guy could watch the game and tell you he sucks.
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 09, 2014, 10:34:53 PM
Quote from: Untucked on January 09, 2014, 10:29:53 PM
Will Buzz ever realize that Derrick Wilson is not a starting D1 point guard. You finally get a chance to see Dawson play and the offense runs so much smoother. If he continues to play Willson 30 minutes/game, I'll change my original prediction of NIT to a losing record overall. Just think how much better Dawson would be if he had been getting significant minutes all year.

Did you not watch the first half? Dawson came in and we literally went over five minutes without a FG. We went from winning 26-20 to losing 36-28.

Yes, Dawson is a better shooter than Derrick. We all know that. But there is more to being a PG than scoring points.
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: LAZER on January 09, 2014, 10:39:03 PM
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on January 09, 2014, 10:34:31 PM
nope just ready to claim that derrick Wilson is clearly an awful D1 PG and everything points to it. Team record, his stats, the eye test

Hell, a blind guy could watch the game and tell you he sucks.

I was replying to the original post.

I wonder how bad Dawson is if he can't get minutes from a guy that sucks huh?
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: nyg on January 09, 2014, 10:39:26 PM
This will continue into next year with a healthy Duane Wilson.  D. Wilson will continue to get the nod because he will be a senior, then there are three potential PGs with Dawson.

Will Buzz ever realize.....More Burton, less Anderson.  Juan has not scored one point in the first three BE games.  Terrible.  
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: Lennys Tap on January 09, 2014, 10:39:35 PM
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on January 09, 2014, 10:33:36 PM
True statement.

9-7 with Derrick. LOL.

We'd be 8-8 or 7-9 if Dawson was getting Derrick's minutes.

True statement.
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 09, 2014, 10:39:40 PM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 09, 2014, 10:34:53 PM
Did you not watch the first half? Dawson came in and we literally went over five minutes without a FG. We went from winning 26-20 to losing 36-28.

Yes, Dawson is a better shooter than Derrick. We all know that. But there is more to being a PG than scoring points.

We scoured almost 80 pts today with Dawson actually playing a lot.

When Derrick plays the whole game breaking 50 calls for a party.
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 09, 2014, 10:40:57 PM
Quote from: LAZER on January 09, 2014, 10:39:03 PM
I was replying to the original post.

I wonder how bad Dawson is if he can't get minutes from a guy that sucks huh?

He isn't bad. Buzz just likes his upperclassmen.

Only way to explain Juan Anderson even being on scholarship at this point.
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: WellsstreetWanderer on January 09, 2014, 10:41:51 PM
Not a stat I have seen but Derrick seems to get 2 or 3 layups blocked a game
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: GooooMarquette on January 09, 2014, 10:43:42 PM
John Dawson showed promise on offense tonight, but he hurts us too much on defense and the boards.  He certainly deserves playing time, but is not yet ready for starter's minutes.
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: madtownwarrior on January 09, 2014, 10:44:05 PM
What's worse - the lack of production at PG by De Wilson or the lack of production by Jamil Wilson.   Maybe it is a Wilson thing?
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: LAZER on January 09, 2014, 10:44:46 PM
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on January 09, 2014, 10:40:57 PM
He isn't bad. Buzz just likes his upperclassmen.

Only way to explain Juan Anderson even being on scholarship at this point.

You have no idea how good/bad Dawson is at this point.  He has shot terribly for the season, his highlight of the season thus far is a 2-6 performance.
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: CTWarrior on January 09, 2014, 10:47:10 PM
I think we move the ball around better and get the ball to Gardner in better position without Derrick, but frankly, our rebounding was more to blame for this loss than anything our guards did.  So far this season, if it's not one thing, its another.  We make 3s but have terrible transition defense and get killed on the boards.  Jake does well and Jamil disappears.

Goodness, we are frustrating to watch so far.  You can see the talent is there, just can't put a complete game together.
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: rocky_warrior on January 09, 2014, 10:51:13 PM
Quote from: CTWarrior on January 09, 2014, 10:47:10 PM
 You can see the talent is there, just can't put a complete game together.

But lookout when we do!  lol.

We may end up .500 on the year, but I keep day dreaming that one of these BE games we're gonna' blow out someone by playing a great game.
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: madtownwarrior on January 09, 2014, 10:52:00 PM
Awesome, we should lock in mediocrity or worse instead of potential.

News for you - De Wilson is not getting us to the  NCAA, so why not develop a younger player  with higher upside?

Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 09, 2014, 10:39:35 PM
We'd be 8-8 or 7-9 if Dawson was getting Derrick's minutes.

True statement.
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 09, 2014, 10:52:34 PM
Quote from: LAZER on January 09, 2014, 10:44:46 PM
You have no idea how good/bad Dawson is at this point.  He has shot terribly for the season, his highlight of the season thus far is a 2-6 performance.

The highlight of Derricks season was being kind enough to give Thames, Carson and Christain great-legendary games.
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: LAZER on January 09, 2014, 10:56:12 PM
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on January 09, 2014, 10:52:34 PM
The highlight of Derricks season was being kind enough to give Thames, Carson and Christain great-legendary games.

I get that you favor of the unknown of Dawson, but it's dumb to act like it's a nobrainer to play Dawson over Wilson when you have hardly even seen Dawson play.

How many Top 150 PG's are impact players freshman year, let alone guys way outside the Top 150?
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: jimmybutlerfanatic on January 09, 2014, 10:57:10 PM
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on January 09, 2014, 10:52:34 PM
The highlight of Derricks season was being kind enough to give Thames, Carson and Christain great-legendary games.


Factual comments like this would get you banned on that D-Bag Dodd's board!

Just keep saying he's a great defender. Tow the line.
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: Wojo'sMojo on January 09, 2014, 10:58:46 PM
Quote from: LAZER on January 09, 2014, 10:56:12 PM
I get that you favor of the unknown of Dawson, but it's dumb to act like it's a nobrainer to play Dawson over Wilson when you have hardly even seen Dawson play.

How many Top 150 PG's are impact players freshman year, let alone guys way outside the Top 150?

Derrick is a liability on offense and the defensive stopper role he supposedly plays is becoming more myth than anything.
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: MU82 on January 09, 2014, 11:00:01 PM
Quote from: madtownwarrior on January 09, 2014, 10:52:00 PM
News for you - De Wilson is not getting us to the  NCAA, so why not develop a younger player  with higher upside?


Coaches don't think this way, especially 3 games into an 18-game conference season.
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: forgetful on January 09, 2014, 11:02:50 PM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 09, 2014, 10:34:53 PM
Did you not watch the first half? Dawson came in and we literally went over five minutes without a FG. We went from winning 26-20 to losing 36-28.

Yes, Dawson is a better shooter than Derrick. We all know that. But there is more to being a PG than scoring points.

Dawson came in with the score 14-13 us...he then built a 26-22 lead and the offense looked very smooth.  We then had a stretch with Juan/Taylor and Mayo in where they repeatedly turned the ball over and Gardner forced poor shots.  That allowed the score to flip to (36-28).  Including bad turnovers by Juan and Mayo.  A missed uncontested layup by Gardner (on a very nice pass by Dawson to pass him open), open good looks from Thomas and Dawson.  They make those 3 and it would have been a tie ball game.

Tonight Dawson was the far far better player.  As I said in the other threads that doesn't make him the best option in the future or the best option in the past, but tonight he played very well and your memory of the first half is incomplete.
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 09, 2014, 11:03:40 PM
Quote from: MU82 on January 09, 2014, 11:00:01 PM
Coaches don't think this way, especially 3 games into an 18-game conference season.


+100

Not sure how people don't understand this.
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: 🏀 on January 09, 2014, 11:03:52 PM
Dawson earsome minutes tonight, that's it.
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: madtownwarrior on January 09, 2014, 11:04:39 PM
Great, keep playing De Wilson, struggle to be .500 in BE, bow out in the NIT and then produce great quotes that like I should played Dawson more while watching the NCAA tournament.


Quote from: MU82 on January 09, 2014, 11:00:01 PM
Coaches don't think this way, especially 3 games into an 18-game conference season.

Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: CTWarrior on January 09, 2014, 11:05:36 PM
Quote from: mubuzz on January 09, 2014, 10:58:46 PM
Derrick is a liability on offense and the defensive stopper role he supposedly plays is becoming more myth than anything.

Derrick is not a "stopper", but he is a good defensive guard.  He got beat a few times down the stretch while he was in good technical defensive position.  Sometimes the other guy makes tough plays.

When we're down 6 with under a minute, I don't get why he is in the game though.  He just wastes time dribbling east to west.
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: 🏀 on January 09, 2014, 11:06:52 PM
This whole argument is the same as Bears fans with all their backup QBs, so dumb.

Orton over Rex.
Haine over Cutler.
McCown over Cutler.
Dawson over Wilson.
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: MU82 on January 09, 2014, 11:06:57 PM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 09, 2014, 11:03:40 PM
+100

Not sure how people don't understand this.

At 1-2 in the conference, many fans think, "Oh my God! We have a horrible team! We need to build for the future!"

At 1-2 in the conference, coaches think, "We didn't do enough to win but we have a chance to be good. If we win our next game, we can get on a roll. We can keep getting better in the second half of the season. If we don't lock up an automatic bid, I think we can win our conference tournament."

Please understand, I am not commenting on whether it is "right" or "wrong" for a coach to think this way. I'm just telling you that is their mindset. They don't face a little adversity and decide to pack it in 3 games into an 18-game conference season. If they did, they wouldn't be tough enough to be coaches.
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: madtownwarrior on January 09, 2014, 11:11:38 PM
Put like that, we are pretty much screwed and might want to consider moving to DIII


Quote from: PTM on January 09, 2014, 11:06:52 PM
This whole argument is the same as Bears fans with all their backup QBs, so dumb.

Orton over Rex.
Haine over Cutler.
McCown over Cutler.
Dawson over Wilson.
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: 77ncaachamps on January 10, 2014, 12:29:05 AM
If Derrick scores FOUR baskets, WE WIN!


Speaking of which...

MU hasn't been able to make stops but enough of the defensive lapses as the reason.
We can't score the ball.
And THAT'S the main reason we're losing.

MU's scoring defense rank: 20th Rank
MU's scoring offense rank: 220th (out of 345 D-1 schools)
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: Texas Western on January 10, 2014, 02:04:11 AM
Solution more minutes to Deonte, JJJ, Dawson. Less to Derick. He is a good kid but he needs to be more a role player where he can be successful . Buzz is doing this kid wrong by keeping him in the role he is in.
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: jeffreyweee on January 10, 2014, 02:42:12 AM
JJJ Hasnt been good recently. Lost his aggression. Burton needs to pick his spots better, he's on the other side with far too much aggression. Dawson was the best freshman tonight. A couple friendly rims and he had 15 points tonight. If he keeps his confidence he'll have a big game soon.
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: Rudy on January 10, 2014, 07:36:50 AM
Tough game. Jamil got caught jumping for head fakes too often. If Jamil has a halfway decent game, we are right in this.

The foul shooting discrepency was bad. I really only questioned a couple calls. (Juan took a charge and they ended up with 2 points on it. I can't remember the other one.) We were out of position too often. Our defensive rotations were not great and that causes fouls. It also creates offensive rebounds. All in all, not a great game by our bigs.

Christon was pretty darn good. He is a very good guard. The announcers were spot on that he does not force it...until he forced a tough 3 and hit it at the end. Could not believe he took that and that it went in. The other 3 they hit down the stretch was also a tough shot. Long shot and by a guy who had missed his last 7. Looked like a knuckle ball. Nails it.

I was impressed  that we got back in the game, but it went away with two misses on our end and two threes on theirs.

Jake played great. I hope the guy who stood up after the first play of the Depaul game and yelled "Buzz get him out of there." was watching. That was uncalled for. If you have to pay that much attention to one player (like Xavier did) and he still has a really good game (like Jake did) that should really bode well for MU. The problem was that Christon had an even better game and we had to pay a ton of attention to him and our rotations were not good...their whole team benefited.

Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: ATWizJr on January 10, 2014, 07:39:51 AM
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on January 09, 2014, 10:40:57 PM
He isn't bad. Buzz just likes his upperclassmen.

Only way to explain Juan Anderson even being on scholarship at this point.
Who recruited these guys?
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: NersEllenson on January 10, 2014, 10:55:05 AM
Quote from: PTM on January 09, 2014, 11:06:52 PM
This whole argument is the same as Bears fans with all their backup QBs, so dumb.

Orton over Rex.
Haine over Cutler.
McCown over Cutler.
Dawson over Wilson.

It might be dumb if Cutler or Rex were clearly the worst QB in the league - but when Cutler is at least a Top 15 out of 30 QB - it is ridiculous.  Derrick is clearly the worst PG in the Big East, and probably the Top 75 teams.  He's now averaging 1.5 ppg and 2 assists per game in 27 minutes of play in conference action through 3 games.
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: Dreadman24 on January 10, 2014, 11:27:32 AM
Burton is the best player on the team..by far. Should start but in Buzz YOU ALL trust..smh
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: nyg on January 10, 2014, 11:29:07 AM
Quote from: Ners on January 10, 2014, 10:55:05 AM
It might be dumb if Cutler or Rex were clearly the worst QB in the league - but when Cutler is at least a Top 15 out of 30 QB - it is ridiculous.  Derrick is clearly the worst PG in the Big East, and probably the Top 75 teams.  He's now averaging 1.5 ppg and 2 assists per game in 27 minutes of play in conference action through 3 games.

Well, thats 1.5ppg more than Juan.  He has zero....
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: tower912 on January 10, 2014, 11:29:46 AM
I have been saying that if it were me I would start Burton over Juan right now.  As difficult as it has been to watch at times, Sweet 16, Sweet 16, Elite 8 means that I still trust Buzz.  
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 10, 2014, 11:55:46 AM
Some here were pissed Juan was gonna transfer.
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: chapman on January 10, 2014, 12:08:17 PM
Thought Juan was coming around after he had the two solid back-to-back games.  Now looks worse than ever.  I don't doubt he can put together a couple decent games at some point, but I've lost faith that he can build off of them rather than falling back to irrelevancy.
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: mu-rara on January 10, 2014, 12:22:00 PM
Quote from: chapman on January 10, 2014, 12:08:17 PM
Thought Juan was coming around after he had the two solid back-to-back games.  Now looks worse than ever.  I don't doubt he can put together a couple decent games at some point, but I've lost faith that he can build off of them rather than falling back to irrelevancy.
Substitute Trent for Juan and you have the same posts as last year.
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: willie warrior on January 10, 2014, 02:03:55 PM
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 10, 2014, 11:55:46 AM
Some here were pissed Juan was gonna transfer.
Yeah--who talked him out of it?
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: Dreadman24 on January 10, 2014, 02:12:04 PM
Buzz is TOO loyal to his upperclassmen.  The players are who they are. Buzz is more of the problem than the few non D-1 players we have.
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: Dreadman24 on January 10, 2014, 02:16:53 PM
If you notice every time we made a run Dawson and Burton was on the floor, then Buzz for some odd reason sits them on the bench and all the momentum went away.  Guys, Buzz is not a good coach. Plain and simple.
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: Hards Alumni on January 10, 2014, 02:18:06 PM
Quote from: Dreadman24 on January 10, 2014, 02:16:53 PM
If you notice every time we made a run Dawson and Burton was on the floor, then Buzz for some odd reason sits them on the bench and all the momentum went away.  Guys, Buzz is not a good coach. Plain and simple.

Sweet 16s and Elite 8s don't just happen.
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: Dreadman24 on January 10, 2014, 02:22:32 PM
Yea his bench players weren't more talented than his starters either.
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: chapman on January 10, 2014, 02:30:42 PM
Quote from: mu-rara on January 10, 2014, 12:22:00 PM
Substitute Trent for Juan and you have the same posts as last year.

Trent played 97 minutes and had 16 points, 18 rebounds, 5 assists, 4 steals, and 3 blocks after three conference games (team going 3-0).  

Juan played 32 minutes and had 0 points, 7 rebounds (all in one game), 3 assists, 1 steal, and 1 block after three conference games (team going 1-2).

So yes, per minute Juan is better in all but scoring.  But one was second on the team in minutes, the other eighth.  One had Buzz's complete trust to improve an already strong team, the other lost his starting spot in a weak rotation.  
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: JD on January 10, 2014, 02:32:22 PM
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 10, 2014, 11:55:46 AM
Some here were pissed Juan was gonna transfer.


i was NOT one of them...  Never saw so many fans crying about a guy leaving, who has always for the most part been a non-factor on this team.  Maybe if dude would stop douging, and dancing, he could practice and get a little better to earn his scholarship..
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: tower912 on January 10, 2014, 03:25:47 PM
Quote from: Dreadman24 on January 10, 2014, 02:12:04 PM
Buzz is TOO loyal to his upperclassmen.  The players are who they are. Buzz is more of the problem than the few non D-1 players we have.

Sweet 16, Sweet 16, Elite 8.    A team is only as good as it's leaders.     Butler, Crowder, DJO, Blue.......uhhhhhhh.   
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: NersEllenson on January 10, 2014, 03:32:50 PM
Quote from: tower912 on January 10, 2014, 03:25:47 PM
Sweet 16, Sweet 16, Elite 8.    A team is only as good as it's leaders.     Butler, Crowder, DJO, Blue.......uhhhhhhh.   

I'd tend to say that you could have great "leadership," but without a good Point Guard, that leadership won't matter much.  We've gotten a little spoiled at MU over the years with having really good Point Guards, and if you look at the successful teams -they all had good PG's.

Go back to Tony Miller, then Aaron Hutchins, then Cordell Henry - though Hutch and Henry lacked good players around them for a couple of their years running the show.  Then Diener, than Dominic, then Junior.  

Just really hard to be good in college hoop or any level for that matter - with a suspect PG...
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: tower912 on January 10, 2014, 03:43:21 PM
Junior wasn't a great PG.  There were many calls to have Derrick start over him because of the frustration level with him.   Derrick frequently looked better than he did.     Junior had a dynamic 2G next to him who attacked the basket.   IMO, if this team had Vander Blue, it would be ranked in the top 25.   Simple as that.
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: keefe on January 10, 2014, 03:44:49 PM
Quote from: jimmybutlerfanatic on January 09, 2014, 10:57:10 PM

Factual comments like this would get you banned on that D-Bag Dodd's board!

Just keep saying he's a great defender. Tow the line.

I was always amused when Dodds would take such glee in being the first to report something about MU Basketball. He seems to genuinely believe that he is a legitimate journalist which is fine but then he turns around and bans open discussion in that very same venue.

Borrowing a line from Chico but that is a stellar example of hypocrisy with the delicious irony of it being around the First Amendment. Dodds is one of those guys who likely never really fit in and if you dare to disagree with him he takes his toys and goes home. I would love to have a beer with Mike Juno.
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: NersEllenson on January 10, 2014, 03:47:55 PM
Quote from: tower912 on January 10, 2014, 03:43:21 PM
Junior wasn't a great PG.  There were many calls to have Derrick start over him because of the frustration level with him.   Derrick frequently looked better than he did.     Junior had a dynamic 2G next to him who attacked the basket.   IMO, if this team had Vander Blue, it would be ranked in the top 25.   Simple as that.

Junior was WAY better than Derrick has been this year - no contest.  Junior was great in transition, very good at getting into the paint, and very good at getting easy looks for our bigs, including Crowder his junior year.  Junior also had an effective pull mid range game coming off of ball screens.  Have we seen Derrick even attempt a jumper off the bounce?

I would say that of the PG's of the past 20 years, Junior probably rates behind Diener, Tony Miller, Hutch, Cordell and Dom - but Junior was much better than Derrick has played this year.

Losing Vander hurts, yes, but I believe that's been way over-stated.  We miss Junior more than Vander in my opinion - as Mayo could take up Vander's production.  
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: Hards Alumni on January 10, 2014, 04:02:41 PM
Quote from: Ners on January 10, 2014, 03:47:55 PM
Junior was WAY better than Derrick has been this year - no contest.  Junior was great in transition, very good at getting into the paint, and very good at getting easy looks for our bigs, including Crowder his junior year.  Junior also had an effective pull mid range game coming off of ball screens.  Have we seen Derrick even attempt a jumper off the bounce?

I would say that of the PG's of the past 20 years, Junior probably rates behind Diener, Tony Miller, Hutch, Cordell and Dom - but Junior was much better than Derrick has played this year.

Losing Vander hurts, yes, but I believe that's been way over-stated.  We miss Junior more than Vander in my opinion - as Mayo could take up Vander's production.  

While that is true, I think that Van would have seen a lot more action at the 1 this year, and he would be taking up Cadougan's minutes.
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: MU82 on January 10, 2014, 04:03:53 PM
Quote from: Dreadman24 on January 10, 2014, 02:16:53 PM
If you notice every time we made a run Dawson and Burton was on the floor, then Buzz for some odd reason sits them on the bench and all the momentum went away.  Guys, Buzz is not a good coach. Plain and simple.

Oh, this is absolutely true!

When, oh when, will Marquette fire this poser and hire a coach who can get us past the first weekend of the NCAA tournament?
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: keefe on January 10, 2014, 06:19:49 PM
Quote from: MU82 on January 10, 2014, 04:03:53 PM
Oh, this is absolutely true!

When, oh when, will Marquette fire this poser and hire a coach who can get us past the first weekend of the NCAA tournament?

Well, this year the more relevant question would be  hire a coach who can get us past into the first weekend of the NCAA tournament...
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 10, 2014, 06:22:28 PM
Quote from: Dreadman24 on January 10, 2014, 11:27:32 AM
Burton is the best most aggressive player on the team..by far. Should start but in Buzz YOU ALL trust..smh

FIFY

I love me some Burton but he makes way too many bad decisions to be consider our best player. There is more to basketball than scoring and agression. Gotta play defense and not turn the ball over as well
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: NersEllenson on January 10, 2014, 06:45:30 PM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 10, 2014, 06:22:28 PM
FIFY

I love me some Burton but he makes way too many bad decisions to be consider our best player. There is more to basketball than scoring and agression. Gotta play defense and not turn the ball over as well

I get the feeling your take on basketball is that you need a bunch of amazing defenders, who cannot score the ball - and that is a formula for winning.  Defense is great, but at the end of the day you need guys who can put it in the bucket, and get their own shot off.

And, just FYI - steals and blocked shots are considered big parts of defense.  Guess who leads the team in both categories??  Ding Ding Ding - Deonte Burton.  And, 7 guys on the team have played more minutes than Deonte.

Some of you resident Derrick Wilson fans need to realize Derrick has 16 steals and 1 blocked shot in 463 minutes of action.  Burton checks in with 22 steals and 14 blocks in 235 minutes - or HALF as many minutes as Derrick.

Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: forgetful on January 10, 2014, 07:25:42 PM
Quote from: tower912 on January 10, 2014, 03:43:21 PM
Junior wasn't a great PG.  There were many calls to have Derrick start over him because of the frustration level with him.   Derrick frequently looked better than he did.     Junior had a dynamic 2G next to him who attacked the basket.   IMO, if this team had Vander Blue, it would be ranked in the top 25.   Simple as that.

I agree with you, but Junior didn't have Jake being able to shoot like he does and help spread the floor.  Swap Junior for D. Wilson and we are a top 25 team this year.
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 10, 2014, 07:30:51 PM
All of a sudden Junior becomes larger than life. You guys need a memory like a turtle. He sucked ass too.
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: g0lden3agle on January 10, 2014, 07:35:38 PM
Quote from: Ners on January 10, 2014, 06:45:30 PM
I get the feeling your take on basketball is that you need a bunch of amazing defenders, who cannot score the ball - and that is a formula for winning.  Defense is great, but at the end of the day you need guys who can put it in the bucket, and get their own shot off.

And, just FYI - steals and blocked shots are considered big parts of defense.  Guess who leads the team in both categories??  Ding Ding Ding - Deonte Burton.  And, 7 guys on the team have played more minutes than Deonte.

Some of you resident Derrick Wilson fans need to realize Derrick has 16 steals and 1 blocked shot in 463 minutes of action.  Burton checks in with 22 steals and 14 blocks in 235 minutes - or HALF as many minutes as Derrick.



Ners you seem like a patron at a Basketball Stat Buffet.  Picking and choosing stats as they fit the situation as you see it.  Steals and blocks are important, but so are proper rotation and not getting lost on defense.  If the young guys don't give up easy buckets through lack of rotation on d it doesn't matter how many blocks and steals they get, they're going to ride the pine. 
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 10, 2014, 07:46:10 PM
Quote from: Ners on January 10, 2014, 06:45:30 PM
I get the feeling your take on basketball is that you need a bunch of amazing defenders, who cannot score the ball - and that is a formula for winning.  Defense is great, but at the end of the day you need guys who can put it in the bucket, and get their own shot off.

And, just FYI - steals and blocked shots are considered big parts of defense.  Guess who leads the team in both categories??  Ding Ding Ding - Deonte Burton.  And, 7 guys on the team have played more minutes than Deonte.

Some of you resident Derrick Wilson fans need to realize Derrick has 16 steals and 1 blocked shot in 463 minutes of action.  Burton checks in with 22 steals and 14 blocks in 235 minutes - or HALF as many minutes as Derrick.

You are right that I think defense is more important than offense. Obviously, I prefer players who are good at both.

I absolutely think Burton is a better player than Derrick.  But I don't think he's our best. I've got him as 5th or 6th. Bringing up my defense of Derrick is irrelevant to this conversation because Burton wouldn't take minutes from Derrick.

I love Burton's aggression and I love his ability to score in multiple was. But I hate that he gets tunnel vision with the hoop. He never looks to pass and this results in some pretty ugly looking possessions. Same is true with his defense. He is a ballhawk, gets steals and blocks at an ungodly rate. But as an off the ball defender? He's terrible! His men get open constantly. When his defender has the ball he is overagressive and gets blown past repeatedly.

I love me some Burton, but I also hate me some dumb frosh mistakes. Right now, Burton gives us both.
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: Dreadman24 on January 10, 2014, 07:46:25 PM
Quote from: Ners on January 10, 2014, 06:45:30 PM
I get the feeling your take on basketball is that you need a bunch of amazing defenders, who cannot score the ball - and that is a formula for winning.  Defense is great, but at the end of the day you need guys who can put it in the bucket, and get their own shot off.

And, just FYI - steals and blocked shots are considered big parts of defense.  Guess who leads the team in both categories??  Ding Ding Ding - Deonte Burton.  And, 7 guys on the team have played more minutes than Deonte.


Some of you resident Derrick Wilson fans need to realize Derrick has 16 steals and 1 blocked shot in 463 minutes of action.  Burton checks in with 22 steals and 14 blocks in 235 minutes - or HALF as many minutes as Derrick.



+1000
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: NersEllenson on January 10, 2014, 08:39:06 PM
Quote from: g0lden3agle on January 10, 2014, 07:35:38 PM
Ners you seem like a patron at a Basketball Stat Buffet.  Picking and choosing stats as they fit the situation as you see it.  Steals and blocks are important, but so are proper rotation and not getting lost on defense.  If the young guys don't give up easy buckets through lack of rotation on d it doesn't matter how many blocks and steals they get, they're going to ride the pine. 

LOL - Isn't this what everybody does here to support their opinions?!  The notion that Deonte, Dawson, and JJJ are such poor defenders, is vastly overstated - and a subjective argument used to try to bolster the totally objective stats of our ineffective vets - Derrick, Juan, Otule (to an extent), and Jake Thomas (to a lesser extent.)

I don't care how good of system defender Juan or Derrick may be - I care that they are dead weight at the offensive end, and their defensive "merits" in no way exceed or compensate for their offensive limitations.  Burton and Dawson should be getting at least as many minutes as Juan and Derrick - and in my opinion...a majority more.  Flip Dawson and Burton to getting 25 and Derrick and Juan 10ish, and this team could be really good by March.
Title: Re: Will Buzz ever realize?
Post by: Nevada233 on January 11, 2014, 01:52:22 AM
Quote from: keefe on January 10, 2014, 03:44:49 PM
I was always amused when Dodds would take such glee in being the first to report something about MU Basketball. He seems to genuinely believe that he is a legitimate journalist which is fine but then he turns around and bans open discussion in that very same venue.

Borrowing a line from Chico but that is a stellar example of hypocrisy with the delicious irony of it being around the First Amendment. Dodds is one of those guys who likely never really fit in and if you dare to disagree with him he takes his toys and goes home. I would love to have a beer with Mike Juno.

Douche Bag Dodds is fast to ban from his forum... you voice your opinion if it isn't his.. best believe your getting a "Read only restriction email" so lame.. but oh well MUSCOOP for me...
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