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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Aircraftcarrier on January 09, 2014, 11:28:10 AM
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Had the opportunity to watch Marial Shayok play.Some observations:good but not great athlete,very long,really nice handle,good first step to basket,good passer,played strictly on the perimeter,seems to understand the defensive end of court and is willing to play defense.Some concerns:did not take an outside shot or even a mid range shot and missed both free throws he attempted.If he can knock down the outside shot the sky is the limit.
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Had the opportunity to watch Marial Shayok play.Some observations:good but not great athlete,very long,really nice handle,good first step to basket,good passer,played strictly on the perimeter,seems to understand the defensive end of court and is willing to play defense.Some concerns:did not take an outside shot or even a mid range shot and missed both free throws he attempted.If he can knock down the outside shot the sky is the limit.
Did he score at least, dunks, do you see him getting anytime next year, can he rebound? Is he a wing player, another player that can not score the ball from the outside, fits the MU mold,
can he play the 4? Is he thick or skinny?
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Did he score at least, dunks, do you see him getting anytime next year, can he rebound? Is he a wing player, another player that can not score the ball from the outside, fits the MU mold,
can he play the 4? Is he thick or skinny?
Is that 8 questions?
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Is that 8 questions?
more the merrier
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One of 105 McDonald's All American nominees along with Cohen and Hill.
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Did he score at least, dunks, do you see him getting anytime next year, can he rebound? Is he a wing player, another player that can not score the ball from the outside, fits the MU mold,
can he play the 4? Is he thick or skinny?
Yes, no, maybe, when he wants to, sometimes, maybe, yes, yes, medium
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One of 105 McDonald's All American nominees along with Cohen and Hill.
Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego
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From what I've seen of each recruit, he might be the best of the bunch when it's all said and done. Very high ceiling.
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Hill, Cohen, and Shayok are undoubtedly excellent players, but the only thing required to be a McD's AA nominee is for someone to fill out a sheet of paper on your behalf. Pretty sure it can be anyone, or maybe it has to be a coach. In any event, there was something like 45 McD's AA nominations from the state of Iowa alone a few years back. Doesn't mean ALL that much when you look at it that way.
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Had the opportunity to watch Marial Shayok play.Some observations:good but not great athlete,very long,really nice handle,good first step to basket,good passer,played strictly on the perimeter,seems to understand the defensive end of court and is willing to play defense.Some concerns:did not take an outside shot or even a mid range shot and missed both free throws he attempted.If he can knock down the outside shot the sky is the limit.
Sounds like quite a few of the players on the team today.
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Rather recent article on Shayok and his team
http://zagsblog.com/articles/marial-shayok-elijah-burns-and-kevin-seymour-help-blair-academy-end-st-benedicts-preps/
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To be honest I see him getting the least amount of playing time of any of our recruits next year. Theres really no minutes available for a player of his skill set on net years team.
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i'd bet on buzz playing anyone who can defend and rebound.
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Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego
I want you to know that this did not go unappreciated.
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i'd bet on buzz playing anyone who can defend and rebound.
My hope is that he's a Juan Anderson with more offensive skill.
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He needs to be a better all around player than Juan, who is merely pedestrian.
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He needs to be a better all around player than Juan, who is merely pedestrian.
Well, that's kind of what I mean. If he can defend like Juan, but be able to put the ball in the hoop better, he will be a good player.
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It just amazes me on this board how every recruit needs to be "The Star" from day one or he is completely useless to the team. Forget growth and development, especially if it takes a few years to see. Juan is a nice role player on this team. Does some nice things when he is in. Then there is the off the court work which earns him a start once in a while. Good for the team imho.
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It just amazes me on this board how every recruit needs to be "The Star" from day one or he is completely useless to the team. Forget growth and development, especially if it takes a few years to see. Juan is a nice role player on this team. Does some nice things when he is in. Then there is the off the court work which earns him a start once in a while. Good for the team imho.
Not to mention that by value added he is one of the top defenders in the country.
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It just amazes me on this board how every recruit needs to be "The Star" from day one or he is completely useless to the team. Forget growth and development, especially if it takes a few years to see. Juan is a nice role player on this team. Does some nice things when he is in. Then there is the off the court work which earns him a start once in a while. Good for the team imho.
To be fair, 4ever wasn't bashing on Juan.
But others have. And I completely agree with you. Sure he may not have panned out the way the collective Scoop wanted, but he works hard on the court, is seemingly a good kid, and Buzz loves him. And you have people who want him to, or think he should transfer?
Oh hell no. On a team full of underclassmen next year, you want a guy who has been in the system for four years, understands his role, and works his ass off without complaining. I don't think it's a coincidence that Derrick and him sat in for Buzz a couple weeks ago on his coach's show. He may not be a star when all is said and done, but that doesn't mean he won't play a valuable role.
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It just amazes me on this board how every recruit needs to be "The Star" from day one or he is completely useless to the team. Forget growth and development, especially if it takes a few years to see. Juan is a nice role player on this team. Does some nice things when he is in. Then there is the off the court work which earns him a start once in a while. Good for the team imho.
Agreed. But this board also think that not being "the man" in your first year means you are an automatic transfer.
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Agreed. But this board also think that not being "the man" in your first year means you are an automatic transfer.
If this is in refernce to JaJuan--there should be a legitimate concern of him transferring after this year. He's absolutely buried behind a very pedestrian backcourt. Top 35 recruits have higher expectations for themselves for better or worse. I'm sure Buzz has sounds reasons for not playing him, it's just a difficult situation.
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If this is in refernce to JaJuan--there should be a legitimate concern of him transferring after this year. He's absolutely buried behind a very pedestrian backcourt. Top 35 recruits have higher expectations for themselves for better or worse. I'm sure Buzz has sounds reasons for not playing him, it's just a difficult situation.
I was referencing: JJJ, Steve, Duane, Burton, and Juan... As all have been referenced in the past week and a half.
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If this is in refernce to JaJuan--there should be a legitimate concern of him transferring after this year. He's absolutely buried behind a very pedestrian backcourt. Top 35 recruits have higher expectations for themselves for better or worse. I'm sure Buzz has sounds reasons for not playing him, it's just a difficult situation.
Well he might.
But the issue is that if he wants to play high level division 1 basketball next year, Marquette is absolutely his best chance. His only chance really. He's not behind too many people (if any) if he looks at the future.
But that's not the only reason someone transfers I know.
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If this is in refernce to JaJuan--there should be a legitimate concern of him transferring after this year. He's absolutely buried behind a very pedestrian backcourt. Top 35 recruits have higher expectations for themselves for better or worse. I'm sure Buzz has sounds reasons for not playing him, it's just a difficult situation.
He simply needs to unbury himself then.
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He simply needs to unbury himself then.
This is my point. 18 and 19-year-olds don't think like this for the most part. Why "unbury" myself when I can have a fresh start elsewhere and play right away.
I know nothing about the situation so I'm not comfortable making any further comments regarding why he's not playing, or what Buzz has in store for him next year. I'm merely trying to get in the head of a kid is age.
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This is my point. 18 and 19-year-olds don't think like this for the most part. Why "unbury" myself when I can have a fresh start elsewhere and play right away.
I'm not sure if this is as universal as you think it is. I know what your are referring to. I work with millennial students every day. But athletes especially are used to years of coaching, belittling, challenge, and hard work. To transfer for more playing time is often viewed as "wimping out" or "giving up." Not saying it is right, just saying it is a perception that exists.
Plus, they wouldn't play right away. They would sit a year and then play. Very few millennial students are willing to delay gratification that long
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This is my point. 18 and 19-year-olds don't think like this for the most part. Why "unbury" myself when I can have a fresh start elsewhere and play right away.
But he's not going to play right away if he transfers.
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But he's not going to play right away if he transfers.
True.
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If this is in refernce to JaJuan--there should be a legitimate concern of him transferring after this year. He's absolutely buried behind a very pedestrian backcourt. Top 35 recruits have higher expectations for themselves for better or worse. I'm sure Buzz has sounds reasons for not playing him, it's just a difficult situation.
Then blame JaJuan for not doing the work to supplant the pedestrian backcourt. I had, and still have, high hopes for JJJ. But when he HAS seen the floor during the last month, he has done nothing to show he deserves more time. The formula is simple. Know your defensive responsibilities and perform them. Know your offensive responsibilities and perform them. Play hard and smart every minute you are on the floor. We all want JJJ to succeed.
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This is my point. 18 and 19-year-olds don't think like this for the most part. Why "unbury" myself when I can have a fresh start elsewhere and play right away.
I know nothing about the situation so I'm not comfortable making any further comments regarding why he's not playing, or what Buzz has in store for him next year. I'm merely trying to get in the head of a kid is age.
JJJ committed to Marquette under the impression that Vander Blue was going to be in front of him his freshman year and playing 32-36 minutes/game. If he was dead-set on playing big minutes right away, he wouldn't have committed to MU in the first place.
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JJJ committed to Marquette under the impression that Vander Blue was going to be in front of him his freshman year and playing 32-36 minutes/game. If he was dead-set on playing big minutes right away, he wouldn't have committed to MU in the first place.
He's playing no minutes right now.
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He's playing no minutes right now.
If a team's best player is a rising senior 2-guard who is going to play 35 min/game, then a 2-guard recruit who signs with that team is clearly willing to have, and understands that he will have, a very limited role his freshman year.
In other words, JJJ chose MU for reasons other than immediate playing time.
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To be honest I see him getting the least amount of playing time of any of our recruits next year. Theres really no minutes available for a player of his skill set on net years team.
No minutes??? The kid can't shoot, can't drive the lane, is a marginal rebounder, and has no clear position. He'll fit in from day one!
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Then blame JaJuan for not doing the work to supplant the pedestrian backcourt. I had, and still have, high hopes for JJJ. But when he HAS seen the floor during the last month, he has done nothing to show he deserves more time. The formula is simple. Know your defensive responsibilities and perform them. Know your offensive responsibilities and perform them. Play hard and smart every minute you are on the floor. We all want JJJ to succeed.
What you seem to continue to fail to understand is that it is really hard to "show something" in 3 minutes of action...which are the typical stints given to JJJ and Dawson... It's like you guys who unequivocally support the starting backcourt expect the freshman to come into the game and immediately score, make assists, steals, etc., within 3 minutes - and if they don't then they aren't doing anything to deserve more playing time...yet your guys have many, many, LONG stints of "showing nothing," and you try to justify how/why they are earning their time...when there is so little data to suggest they should continue to be max minute players. That's the frustration point for me/others who have an opposing viewpoint - so quick to jump and judge the freshman on such limited time/sample size...yet so willing to support the vets who have a huge sample size of not doing a whole lot...
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If a team's best player is a rising senior 2-guard who is going to play 35 min/game, then a 2-guard recruit who signs with that team is clearly willing to have, and understands that he will have, a very limited role his freshman year.
In other words, JJJ chose MU for reasons other than immediate playing time.
Guy, clearly that's not what's going on. You don't think he's adjusted his expectations after Blue bolted for the draft and this backcourt proved time and again to be inept?
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I'm not sure if this is as universal as you think it is. I know what your are referring to. I work with millennial students every day. But athletes especially are used to years of coaching, belittling, challenge, and hard work. To transfer for more playing time is often viewed as "wimping out" or "giving up." Not saying it is right, just saying it is a perception that exists.
Plus, they wouldn't play right away. They would sit a year and then play. Very few millennial students are willing to delay gratification that long
i think i agree with you, but the delayed gratification (maybe we should just put marshmallows in front of them, but then we wouldn't have signed gardner) reason for not wanting to transfer also pertains to not wanting to ride the pine in the first year or two at MU.
if i were buzz i would ask a player with the skill of JJJ to name a player who transferred from MU and went on to play in the NBA while making the point that i know what it takes to get guys in the NBA (rattling off all the names), and emphasizing that if you're not good enough to earn minutes at MU, you're sure as heck not going to earn minutes in the NBA no matter where you transfer to.
if a kid like juan wants to transfer back home to be close to family at a school where he can get tons of minutes, so be it. he's likely headed overseas, and a couple years being close to family before heading in that direction makes sense. if a kid like JJJ wants to be in the nba, but can't figure out how to crack the rotation, i think the only mentality that may allow him to have a chance at the nba is the one that says i'm going to work my a$$ off in the off-season and be so good that buzz can't take me off the court.
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Guy, clearly that's not what's going on. You don't think he's adjusted his expectations after Blue bolted for the draft and this backcourt proved time and again to be inept?
that can go in the other direction as well. do you think he's adjusted his expectations after continuously getting shut out in practice by teammates that are superior defenders and getting scored on by players that struggle to score in a BEAST game? i'm not saying that's what happening, but it very well could be. so i get that he's not getting minutes in the games to prove anything, but if he can't score or guard in practice, what makes him think he should get minutes.
now from a coaching perspective i might look at it differently, but from a player perspective...if i can't guard or score in practice...forget minutes in the game. as much as i struggle with d. wilson's minutes because i feel dawson has a higher ceiling. i bet he doesn't score much on d. wilson in practice, and i bet his defensive lapses are present.
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He is a Juan Anderson upgrade for sure
and you're a willie warrior upgrade
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What you seem to continue to fail to understand is that it is really hard to "show something" in 3 minutes of action...which are the typical stints given to JJJ and Dawson... It's like you guys who unequivocally support the starting backcourt expect the freshman to come into the game and immediately score, make assists, steals, etc., within 3 minutes - and if they don't then they aren't doing anything to deserve more playing time...yet your guys have many, many, LONG stints of "showing nothing," and you try to justify how/why they are earning their time...when there is so little data to suggest they should continue to be max minute players. That's the frustration point for me/others who have an opposing viewpoint - so quick to jump and judge the freshman on such limited time/sample size...yet so willing to support the vets who have a huge sample size of not doing a whole lot...
Sometimes I think people want to see the freshmen play to satisfy their own curiosity more than anything.
Because this kind of post lacks a certain type of logic. Yeah, from your vantage point you haven't been able to judge, but from the vantage point of the guy who sees them pretty much every day for the last six months, he has seen plenty to judge. And he has based his playing time decisions accordingly.
As I have said earlier, does that make Buzz infallible? Of course not. But at some point people need to understand that he knows what he is doing is is very likely (given his track record) making the right decisions.
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that can go in the other direction as well. do you think he's adjusted his expectations after continuously getting shut out in practice by teammates that are superior defenders and getting scored on by players that struggle to score in a BEAST game? i'm not saying that's what happening, but it very well could be. so i get that he's not getting minutes in the games to prove anything, but if he can't score or guard in practice, what makes him think he should get minutes.
now from a coaching perspective i might look at it differently, but from a player perspective...if i can't guard or score in practice...forget minutes in the game. as much as i struggle with d. wilson's minutes because i feel dawson has a higher ceiling. i bet he doesn't score much on d. wilson in practice, and i bet his defensive lapses are present.
Fair points, I suppose. But I'm basing my argument on realities where yours is pure speculation. But clearly, something is going on in practice for JJJ to be relegated to the end of the bench for multiple games.
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If this is in refernce to JaJuan--there should be a legitimate concern of him transferring after this year. He's absolutely buried behind a very pedestrian backcourt. Top 35 recruits have higher expectations for themselves for better or worse. I'm sure Buzz has sounds reasons for not playing him, it's just a difficult situation.
Why - because you are an insider with all the scoop? I'm gonna pass on that.
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What you seem to continue to fail to understand is that it is really hard to "show something" in 3 minutes of action...which are the typical stints given to JJJ and Dawson... It's like you guys who unequivocally support the starting backcourt expect the freshman to come into the game and immediately score, make assists, steals, etc., within 3 minutes - and if they don't then they aren't doing anything to deserve more playing time...yet your guys have many, many, LONG stints of "showing nothing," and you try to justify how/why they are earning their time...when there is so little data to suggest they should continue to be max minute players. That's the frustration point for me/others who have an opposing viewpoint - so quick to jump and judge the freshman on such limited time/sample size...yet so willing to support the vets who have a huge sample size of not doing a whole lot...
Personally, I don't expect them to or even care if they score at all in those limited stints of action. What I expect them to do is:
1) play good defense -- this isn't necessarily about steals or something else that shows up in a boxscore
2) Not jack up shots early in the shot clock without running the offense
3) Not turn the ball over
4) Not commit silly fouls (you could argue that this is closely related to #1)
Generally speaking, I think #1 is the area that most commonly results in the quick trip back to the bench and that is just fine with me.
You seem to want to only judge guys on whether or not they score -- "long stints of showing nothing" I think is how you put it. As has been said ad nauseam, the guys who play the most minutes play those minutes because they have fewer defensive lapses.
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Why - because you are an insider with all the scoop? I'm gonna pass on that.
Is it possible that JJJ would more than compensate for any defensive shortcomings by his athleticism and offensive capabilities? If so, it would be a net gain for MU.
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Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego
MLK, Letter From a Birmingham Jail
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From what I've seen of each recruit, he might be the best of the bunch when it's all said and done. Very high ceiling.
Really?
Thought on him here in Jersey is that he's a very nice high school player who seems to have hit a level higher then he should relative to attending Marquette. I only watched him twice since he's on a prep squad and they play a lot out of state but it feels more that he'd be a nice program guy recruit.
Then again, I'm a bit daft when it comes this stuff. I think Veer Singh, supposed 2016 stud from Jersey, is more a reject tennis player than anything. Not even best player on his squad.
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Is it possible that JJJ would more than compensate for any defensive shortcomings by his athleticism and offensive capabilities? If so, it would be a net gain for MU.
Theoretically is it possible? Sure.
But outside of ASU, I haven't seen much evidence to suggest that it would be reality. And neither does Buzz.
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Personally, I don't expect them to or even care if they score at all in those limited stints of action. What I expect them to do is:
1) play good defense -- this isn't necessarily about steals or something else that shows up in a boxscore
2) Not jack up shots early in the shot clock without running the offense
3) Not turn the ball over
4) Not commit silly fouls (you could argue that this is closely related to #1)
Generally speaking, I think #1 is the area that most commonly results in the quick trip back to the bench and that is just fine with me.
You seem to want to only judge guys on whether or not they score -- "long stints of showing nothing" I think is how you put it. As has been said ad nauseam, the guys who play the most minutes play those minutes because they have fewer defensive lapses.
Okay...so basically you list 1-4 that could be Derrick's best assets...he's a good defender...he won't shoot, unless its a layup, he is good at protecting the ball, and he generally doesn't foul.
Now if those things were leading to victories consistently, and us beating a good team every now and then..I wouldn't argue their merits as it relates to this MU team. But we all can agree...nobody here thought going into this year we would be fighting for our NCAA lives, and be 3-8 against Teams in the Top 50...so...the defensive first approach really hasn't worked that well.
At the end of the day, I'd just like a PG that gets 30 minutes plus per game to be a threat offensively, and require that the defense defend him on the perimeter. You simply cannot seem to wrap your head around how hard that makes it for all 4 of the other MU players to be effective on the offensive end. As for the defensive end...yes, Dawson isn't as good of defender as Derrick (and wouldn't expect that he would be as a freshman), but there is something called "help" defense...where you can help a teammate....there is no "help" teammate on the offensive end can provide when your PG doesn't need to be guarded on the perimeter...
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Sometimes I think people want to see the freshmen play to satisfy their own curiosity more than anything.
Because this kind of post lacks a certain type of logic. Yeah, from your vantage point you haven't been able to judge, but from the vantage point of the guy who sees them pretty much every day for the last six months, he has seen plenty to judge. And he has based his playing time decisions accordingly.
As I have said earlier, does that make Buzz infallible? Of course not. But at some point people need to understand that he knows what he is doing is is very likely (given his track record) making the right decisions.
You make a good point...and it certainly is reasonable. I'd just say in opposition, that just because it is the way Buzz is doing it (or any coach for that matter), doesn't automatically mean its the right decision....Buzz makes mistakes/miscalculations just like every other human being in the world.
If you can't see and tell that Buzz LOVE Derrick, and thinks the world of him...don't know what to say...coaches do develop favorites for all kinds of different reasons...and when a guy is a favorite...he is going to get the maximum benefit of the doubt from a coach..and that's the way I look at the whole deal with Derrick. Derrick is a great kid, hard worker, high character - all admirable qualities, and ones Buzz sure loves...so....Buzz rewards that perhaps beyond what he should...if you are going to look at the overall results of Derrick getting 30 minutes per game objectively.
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Why - because you are an insider with all the scoop? I'm gonna pass on that.
It's called accounting for known factors and making an educated guess. I never said he will because I don't have "scoop." You do realize that's pretty much the essence of this message board, right? We're all operating on imperfect information, but that doesn't mean we can't make assertions or statements based on what we do know. And then, you get to judge those based on the argument laid out and what you know. It's called an argument. Look it up.
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Is it possible that JJJ would more than compensate for any defensive shortcomings by his athleticism and offensive capabilities? If so, it would be a net gain for MU.
I think they will - but I don't think we can say yet that he won't be a good defensive player. I think he was a typical freshman in that regard. these guys are stars in HS, so they play a lot of zone to keep them out of foul trouble and on the floor.
I think he has the athleticism to be a good defensive player.
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It's called accounting for known factors and making an educated guess. I never said he will because I don't have "scoop." You do realize that's pretty much the essence of this message board, right? We're all operating on imperfect information, but that doesn't mean we can't make assertions or statements based on what we do know. And then, you get to judge those based on the argument laid out and what you know. It's called an argument. Look it up.
Didn't mean to pick on you. Tranfer talk is one of my pet peeves cuz none of us are privy to the any player's thinking on this. Will someone transfer? Probably - based on past history. But none of us really have any insight on who it would be.
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Is it possible that JJJ would more than compensate for any defensive shortcomings by his athleticism and offensive capabilities? If so, it would be a net gain for MU.
Sure, it's possible. But Buzz has set the precedent that, at least right now, that's not how he operates the team.
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It just amazes me on this board how every recruit needs to be "The Star" from day one or he is completely useless to the team. Forget growth and development, especially if it takes a few years to see. Juan is a nice role player on this team. Does some nice things when he is in. Then there is the off the court work which earns him a start once in a while. Good for the team imho.
No doubt......go review Cam Bairstow from New Mexico for a nice college growth curve, saw him at LV game and the Lobo fans by us couldn't stop talking about his progression
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/51163/cameron-bairstow (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/51163/cameron-bairstow)
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What you seem to continue to fail to understand is that it is really hard to "show something" in 3 minutes of action...which are the typical stints given to JJJ and Dawson... It's like you guys who unequivocally support the starting backcourt expect the freshman to come into the game and immediately score, make assists, steals, etc., within 3 minutes - and if they don't then they aren't doing anything to deserve more playing time...yet your guys have many, many, LONG stints of "showing nothing," and you try to justify how/why they are earning their time...when there is so little data to suggest they should continue to be max minute players. That's the frustration point for me/others who have an opposing viewpoint - so quick to jump and judge the freshman on such limited time/sample size...yet so willing to support the vets who have a huge sample size of not doing a whole lot...
What you continue to fail to understand is that they are playing extended minutes in practice. Buzz can see what they can or cannot do there.
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Ners I'm sorry but Dawson had his BIG opportunity when Derrick picked up 2 quick fouls in the SH game a couple weeks ago. He goes in at something like the 12 minute mark in the first half knowing that the rest of the half is his if he rises to the occasion. And what does he do. Looks completely over matched. Picks up 3 fouls by a bunch of reaching and to top it off dribbles the ball out of bounds on a simple between the legs dribble. He effectively forces Buzz to take him out. And this is against SH.
That is when a talent that is ready but not getting the playing time he deserves seizes the opportunity. But he didn't because he is not ready.
It takes a unique talent to come in and play significant minutes at PG as a freshman. Dominic James was a unique talent so was Diener. Dawson is not a unique talent. And playing him more is not going to make him a unique talent.
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Ners I'm sorry but Dawson had his BIG opportunity when Derrick picked up 2 quick fouls in the SH game a couple weeks ago. He goes in at something like the 12 minute mark in the first half knowing that the rest of the half is his if he rises to the occasion. And what does he do. Looks completely over matched. Picks up 3 fouls by a bunch of reaching and to top it off dribbles the ball out of bounds on a simple between the legs dribble. He effectively forces Buzz to take him out. And this is against SH.
That is when a talent that is ready but not getting the playing time he deserves seizes the opportunity. But he didn't because he is not ready.
It takes a unique talent to come in and play significant minutes at PG as a freshman. Dominic James was a unique talent so was Diener. Dawson is not a unique talent. And playing him more is not going to make him a unique talent.
What I'd ask you to consider in counter to your point: Can you point to another game where Dawson looked that bad? Did he look remotely close to that bad against Xavier, Georgetown on the road? What about against DePaul on the road? He laid an egg against Seton Hall at home...I don't deny it was an awful stretch of playing time for Dawson, but...it was an outlier...time will prove it out...the kid has a lot of talent...and is going to be a player..
How many games of watching Derrick not being defended within 6' by teams that have scouted us well do you have to watch, before realizing...it doesn't take a whole lot to be an upgrade? When you consider, we actually grew our lead by 1 point in that 13 minute stretch of playing time Dawson got against Seton Hall...and as terrible as he was...and that our elite defender (Derrick was the bench the whole time), does that not make you think twice about "Wow...as horrific as Dawson was, the team was still able to build on the lead it had when he entered the game." I wonder why? Maybe because the floor was spaced so much better, and our offense could operate more effectively. Maybe we were able to slash better from the wing. More easily able to get Davante the ball in the post for either a bucket or FTs...
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You and I must have been watching different games. Just to make sure we're on the same page the SH game I was referring to was a road game, we had a lead early in the first half (when Jamil was going off). Then during the second part of the first half (after Derrick had to sit with 2 fouls) SH built their lead to 6 to end the half. That was when Dawson was playing.
As for your other question what has he looked like otherwise he hasn't played much recently. He played a couple of spot minutes against X and didn't look good in that game either. (yes I know you're going to say he only got in for a couple minutes).
I've seen enough Point Guards at MU to know he's not the savior. Could he be better than Derrick is right now when he is a junior. I hope so. That would make him an adequate back-up. He still doesn't drive and dish which is what this team needs to make use of our advantage in the front court. He shoots 30% from 3 which while better than derrick but doesn't make him a 3 point marksman.
Right now MU has a 3 guard line up that is working better than any of the other screwed up line ups we've had this year and I'd be inclined to ride that one out and hope either we get some new talent at PG or someone makes a huge improvement over the summer.
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And another thread goes down the DW tube. I'm positive by now that if someone started a thread about the weather - it would become just another p*ssing contest over Derrick.
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And another thread goes down the DW tube. I'm positive by now that if someone started a thread about the weather - it would become just another p*ssing contest over Derrick.
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