I'm looking for a reason to be optimistic about the future. Unfortunately, losing your entire frontcourt next year, and the weak guard play give me hesitation. Any reason to re-up for season ticket for 2014-15? Help...
Quote from: Warrior of Law on December 31, 2013, 11:27:33 PM
I'm looking for a reason to be optimistic about the future. Unfortunately, losing your entire frontcourt next year, and the weak guard play give me hesitation. Any reason to re-up for season ticket for 2014-15? Help...
Guard play will be infinitely better next year. Not even close.
Quote from: Warrior of Law on December 31, 2013, 11:27:33 PM
Any reason to re-up for season ticket for 2014-15? Help...
1) To keep the B&G points for better years.
2) You're a Warrior fan, as as much as you want to, you can't quit them.
3) To win a frozen pizza to see if it's really as bad as every says.
Quote from: brandx on December 31, 2013, 11:32:07 PM
Guard play will be infinitely better next year. Not even close.
Can I ask why you believe that? True Jake will be gone replaced by some combination of JaJuan and Mayo, which should be an improvement. But Derrick will still be the starting point guard and Mayo will still most likely be here. Buzz has shown that he favors experience to talent so a starting back court of Derrick and Todd seems likely.....not sure that's an improvement.....
Quote from: BenCat12 on December 31, 2013, 11:34:55 PM
Can I ask why you believe that? True Jake will be gone replaced by some combination of JaJuan and Mayo, which should be an improvement. But Derrick will still be the starting point guard and Mayo will still most likely be here. Buzz has shown that he favors experience to talent so a starting back court of Derrick and Todd seems likely.....not sure that's an improvement.....
If for no other reason than we can play 5 on 5 when Duane Wilson is on the floor. We don't know how good Duane will be - but we do know he is a good shooter so the defense will have to guard the PG.
Of course if Derrick is on the floor for 30+ minutes a game - nevermind
I see the board now justifying why a senior can not be replaced by a redshirt freshman who has not played a game yet...
Quote from: BenCat12 on December 31, 2013, 11:34:55 PM
Can I ask why you believe that? True Jake will be gone replaced by some combination of JaJuan and Mayo, which should be an improvement. But Derrick will still be the starting point guard and Mayo will still most likely be here. Buzz has shown that he favors experience to talent so a starting back court of Derrick and Todd seems likely.....not sure that's an improvement.....
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 31, 2013, 11:32:55 PM
3) To win a frozen pizza to see if it's really as bad as every says.
It's not that it is of bad quality. Or that it is made from wheat. The proper release technique forgives all of these sins. Squat to purge fully!
If you have more B&G points than I do, then the sky is falling and there's no reason to re-up.
If you have fewer points, you should re-up to watch JJJ, Deonte, Duane and the new kids develop.
Quote from: keefe on December 31, 2013, 11:45:28 PM
It's not that it is of bad quality. Or that it is made from wheat. The proper release technique forgives all of these sins. Squat to purge fully!
+1
Even in the Deane/Crean days, I always felt good about the future. But for the Frosh, its rather discouraging this year. Hopefully my ticket partner doesnt bail considering the revised Big East and weak roster. The sun will allegedly rise tomorrow!
The problem as Insee it is his Freshman give Buzz the best opportunity to score. Conversely, they give Buzz the greatest opportunity to be scored upon. This season is killing me, but every season is different and thus I will subscribe to the "future is bright" train of thought.
Quote from: Warrior of Law on December 31, 2013, 11:27:33 PMAny reason to re-up for season ticket for 2014-15? Help...
Listen, I live in SEC country and barely catch a game every 2-3 years. I would love to be able to catch regular games. Besides that, I might curse this team and yell at the TV, but they are still playing with intensity and we need to show them the respect they deserve. Even with this blowout, no one can say that we gave up.
Jesus Christ! We're already at this point? Please. Losing hope for the future? Them get outta here.
Wow, not only have some given up on this season but they are already giving up on next season. C'mon man, if you're going to call yourself a Warrior, act like a Warrior
Quote from: Warrior of Law on December 31, 2013, 11:27:33 PM
I'm looking for a reason to be optimistic about the future. Unfortunately, losing your entire frontcourt next year, and the weak guard play give me hesitation. Any reason to re-up for season ticket for 2014-15? Help...
Purge! Feel better immediately!
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Last night's game proves it: We are gonna suck in 2018-19.
Oh, we might be good again in 2021-22, and it looks like Player/Coach Otule will have a fine squad in 2024-25.
But after last night, it's impossible to say we'll be any good in 2030-31.
Curious how many of you ARE season ticket holders ...
No doubt, it is silly to start thinking MU's program is in the toilet for multiple years coming ..
But .. buying season tickets is an investment (in entertainment) and not a small one, especially in the lower bowl. My wife and I have had tickets a dozen+ years .. our simple barometer, with kids, we evaluate whether we need a babysitter for each game / or have one of us go and take a friend. No babysitters for cupcakes. Babysitters for BE/big games. This year has been a lot easier on my wallet.
With the new Big East .. the interest level was lower in July, but we could look forward to dominating the Big East.
Now that we're fighting for a chance to be a bubble team .. ouch.
Because Deonte Burton and probably JJJ will be worth the price of admission alone. seriously, we are well positioned for the future. This freshman class is turning out to be the most exciting and hopeful part of this season and they are only going to get better. We also will have roster turnover (I will bet anyone here Mayo is not back next year as an example) and while we enjoy another great recruiting class...a few positive surprises could occur (like transfers in, etc.).
It is turning out to be a transition year after a great 5 year run....it is a surprising and disappointing transition year but every program goes through it....it will be short-lived.
Even if this season ends in a worst-case scenario and a school that went to the Elite 8 last year ends up missing the NCAA Tournament entirely the following season....OHHHHHHHHHHHH NOEEEEEEEEEES that hasn't happened since...
Kentucky last year.
We'll be fine.
Stop whining. Good teams aren't a birthright. Ask the cubs, lions, brewers, northwestern fans.
I don't think you can look at season tickets as a one year proposition. If you tried to "time the market" would last year have been your choice for an undefeated season at home and a Big East championship? After losing DJO and Jae? Let's be honest: We have re-loaded pretty well sine Buzz took over. For whatever reason the players we were counting on THIS YEAR are not producing. Obviously we can debate if this is a lack of talent or lack of player development or poor talent evaluation, or even blame some of it on unexpected departures. Whatever the reason, this team is the anomaly.
But I look at JJJ and DB and I see good things on the horizon, and I am excited about what next year may bring.
There is too much talent returning and too much talent coming in for a multi-year plunge. How many times have we see talented programs have an off year and then the next year everyone thinks they will not be very good and, surprise surprise, they end up much better the next year?
Still a lot of basketball to play (we are not even half-way through yet), but if this season ends up a disappointment I think we will be much better next year. The freshmen will be much improved next year. Duane Wilson returns and will at least garner decent minutes.
Yes we lose a lot of our frontcourt but Buzz has proven he can win without a major post presence. And you still have Burton, Anderson, Taylor, and some good frosh coming in who can fill some of that void.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on January 01, 2014, 08:48:20 AM
Curious how many of you ARE season ticket holders ...
No doubt, it is silly to start thinking MU's program is in the toilet for multiple years coming ..
But .. buying season tickets is an investment (in entertainment) and not a small one, especially in the lower bowl. My wife and I have had tickets a dozen+ years .. our simple barometer, with kids, we evaluate whether we need a babysitter for each game / or have one of us go and take a friend. No babysitters for cupcakes. Babysitters for BE/big games. This year has been a lot easier on my wallet.
With the new Big East .. the interest level was lower in July, but we could look forward to dominating the Big East.
Now that we're fighting for a chance to be a bubble team .. ouch.
We are and probably make a longer drive than 85% who regularly attend. Wouldn't consider giving them up. But it will be interesting to see what happens with the season ticket base following a less than successful year. Our attendance has been on a steady, albeit slow decline for a handful of years now.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on January 01, 2014, 08:48:20 AM
Curious how many of you ARE season ticket holders ...
No doubt, it is silly to start thinking MU's program is in the toilet for multiple years coming ..
But .. buying season tickets is an investment (in entertainment) and not a small one, especially in the lower bowl. My wife and I have had tickets a dozen+ years .. our simple barometer, with kids, we evaluate whether we need a babysitter for each game / or have one of us go and take a friend. No babysitters for cupcakes. Babysitters for BE/big games. This year has been a lot easier on my wallet.
With the new Big East .. the interest level was lower in July, but we could look forward to dominating the Big East.
Now that we're fighting for a chance to be a bubble team .. ouch.
Raises hand.In addition to going through the same thought processes about sitters when our girls were younger, we moved 4 1/2 hours' drive from MKE 15 years ago. So we have time, gas money, hotels and restaurants as natural adjuncts to every game. We still have our tickets (about 25 years, with a 4 year gap when we lived in Nashville), and to us, they're worth every penny.
I'm ready to concede this year, but no way feel this will carry over. Still think we're running a Villanova cycle and are two years behind. Bad years happen - in 2011-12 Nova was 13-19 (5-13), last year they came around at the end and made the tournament, this year they're the class of the conference. Watching them tough out a win at Butler last night was incredibly impressive. They also lost Yarou from last year, basically the only good frontcourt player, but have a talented point (Archie) and switchable (Pinkston) that are more important. Would worry about not having senior leadership over the next couple years because none of them are good enough to lead more than not having enough bigs.
When Derrick Wilson leaves we will get back on track...he is absolutely horrendous and I put most of the blame on him for this season. Actually I should put it on Buzz because he is in charge of this mess we have going on.
I think we should quit looking for scape goats. CrackedSidewalks always did a great analysis on how good Marquette should be. They were reasonably accurate. We should ask those folks how good they feel Marquette will be in future years.
Quote from: tower912 on January 01, 2014, 09:34:16 AM
Stop whining. Good teams aren't a birthright. Ask the cubs, lions, brewers, northwestern fans.
Yup--ask Duke, UNC, Ky., Louisville, Patriots fans.
Quote from: tower912 on January 01, 2014, 09:34:16 AM
Stop whining. Good teams aren't a birthright. Ask the cubs, lions, brewers, northwestern fans.
It's a message board...this team is not good. Are people supposed to be happy?
Who's happy? But abandoning the team for multiple years? Entitled whining at its worst.
The facts are the frontcourt is all gone and there isn't a proven guard set to return in 2014-15. Two poor recruiting years (current juniors and sophomores) will take a while to overcome.
I do hold season tickets, but I share with someone who's more fickle. He's not going to pay good money to watch average basketball against non-high profile teams.
Quote from: Warrior of Law on January 01, 2014, 12:43:14 PM
The facts are the frontcourt is all gone and there isn't a proven guard set to return in 2014-15. Two poor recruiting years (current juniors and sophomores) will take a while to overcome.
Marquette will be competitive next year (i.e. at least make the Dance). This year the jury is still out on this team but, barring major defections or injuries, I am confident stating that next year we will make the Dance.
As a season ticket holder, I suggest you give up your season tickets since you're obviously a "what have you done for me lately" type of fan. I don't even know why you are even asking this question.
I on the other hand will continue to support Marquette by being a season ticket holder through thick and thin.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 01, 2014, 11:37:25 AM
Yup--ask Duke, UNC, Ky., Louisville, Patriots fans.
UNC, Kentucky, and Louisville have all missed the tournament during our active ncaa tournament streak. And we aren't Duke
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 01, 2014, 01:44:16 PM
UNC, Kentucky, and Louisville have all missed the tournament during our active ncaa tournament streak. And we aren't Duke
Not the point. Which pedigree would you want MU--or those.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 01, 2014, 02:36:25 PM
Not the point. Which pedigree would you want MU--or those.
Well, since I
AM a MU fan, I will take MU. If I wanted to root for Kentucky's pedigree, I would.
Quote from: mubuzz on January 01, 2014, 11:25:42 AM
When Derrick Wilson leaves we will get back on track...he is absolutely horrendous and I put most of the blame on him for this season. Actually I should put it on Buzz because he is in charge of this mess we have going on.
Your second sentence helps make up for your silly first sentence. It isn't Derrick's fault that he is who he is. Derrick isn't the one who recruited Derrick, starts Derrick or plays Derrick 30-35 minutes.
Quote from: tower912 on January 01, 2014, 09:34:16 AM
Stop whining. Good teams aren't a birthright. Ask the cubs, lions, brewers, northwestern fans.
+1
Plus while I recognize not everyone on this board is an alum, if you are a graduate of the university you should support it regardless of performance on the court.
I also recognize its a big investment, and may be prohibitively expensive for everyone to buy season tickets. That's fine. But missing one NCAA tournament in 8 years is not a good reason.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on January 01, 2014, 01:41:40 PM
Marquette will be competitive next year (i.e. at least make the Dance). This year the jury is still out on this team but, barring major defections or injuries, I am confident stating that next year we will make the Dance.
Well it is great we are now projecting next year. Most have given up on this year.
Quote from: jsglow on January 01, 2014, 09:45:32 AM
Our attendance has been on a steady, albeit slow decline
Why, why you're nothing but a Fair Weather Fan...
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Quote from: Bleuteaux on January 01, 2014, 04:04:56 PM
I also recognize its a big investment, and may be prohibitively expensive for everyone to buy season tickets. That's fine. But missing one NCAA tournament in 8 years is not a good reason.
I would agree with that. As I wrote before .. a down season isn't the big issue .. (although it is for the remaining 9 games..) .. It's the reality that the product in the building has taken a long-term hit. For any season ticket holder these past decade(s), you suffer cupcakes to get to the steak, which meant a host of hall of fame coaches that brought their teams to play you, UConn, Louisville, Syracuse, not to mention other great games like Pitt and even Cincy and West Virginia.