New look bracketology has us at a 12 seed. Though that's probably where we should be right now it sucks to see us in a play in game. Also not very much love for the BE as it just says the three traditionally big time C7 teams and Creighton make the tournament. Would be fun to play Jeronne Maymon though.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology
As of now, we are The bubble team!!!
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology
He has us in the play in game against Tennessee (JMay!) for the right to play #5 Memphis.
Beat yah to it :P
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=41047.0
Hmmmm.....This does not square with the soothsayers on this board who are now saying we are anywhere from an 8 seed to a 11 seed. Lots of basketball yet to be played, but we will need to pretty much own the conference to get in solidly.
We're in! We're in!
Does that mean we'd have to go to Dayton? I'd almost rather not be in.
The way our program is trending - there is ZERO excuse for not making the tournament. ZERO. (barring major injury)
IMO, in future years, we may need to be more impressive in the non-conference season bc the weight of Big East Conference games may not carry the same night in and night out. (as it did previously)
Quote from: willie warrior on December 16, 2013, 01:39:29 PM
Hmmmm.....This does not square with the soothsayers on this board who are now saying we are anywhere from an 8 seed to a 11 seed. Lots of basketball yet to be played, but we will need to pretty much own the conference to get in solidly.
"You guys are all saying 8-11, this one guys says 12. IN YO FACE!!!!" - a complete moron
Quote from: APieperFan3 on December 16, 2013, 02:15:39 PM
The way our program is trending - there is ZERO excuse for not making the tournament. ZERO. (barring major injury)
Man, Kentucky shoulda cleaned house after last season.
Quote from: APieperFan3 on December 16, 2013, 02:15:39 PM
The way our program is trending - there is ZERO excuse for not making the tournament. ZERO. (barring major injury)
Plenty of high quality programs have missed the tournament in off years. It's not the end of the world if they do.
Quote from: MUfan12 on December 16, 2013, 02:17:09 PM
Man, Kentucky shoulda cleaned house after last season.
I'd consider losing Nerlens a major injury.
Quote from: APieperFan3 on December 16, 2013, 02:15:39 PM
The way our program is trending - there is ZERO excuse for not making the tournament. ZERO. (barring major injury)
IMO, in future years, we may need to be more impressive in the non-conference season bc the weight of Big East Conference games may not carry the same night in and night out. (as it did previously)
I would consider Duane Wilson's stress fracture a major injury.
Quote from: APieperFan3 on December 16, 2013, 02:24:44 PM
I'd consider losing Nerlens a major injury.
Eh...they went 4-3 in the regular season games he missed. 4-4 if you want to count the one in which he got hurt, but he played 23 minutes, and they were getting beat pretty good when he went down. The whole year was pretty much a struggle with or without him.
Quote from: APieperFan3 on December 16, 2013, 02:15:39 PM
The way our program is trending - there is ZERO excuse for not making the tournament. ZERO. (barring major injury)
IMO, in future years, we may need to be more impressive in the non-conference season bc the weight of Big East Conference games may not carry the same night in and night out. (as it did previously)
North Carolina missed in 2010 after winning n.c.
Kentucky missed in 2013 after winning n. c.
AZ missed in 2012 and 2010
UCLA missed in 2010 and 2012
Just a few examples of high profile "blue blood" type programs missing the NCAA tournament.
It happens, teams have rebuilding or down years.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on December 16, 2013, 02:22:29 PM
Plenty of high quality programs have missed the tournament in off years. It's not the end of the world if they do.
I agree, but plenty of posters here went apeshot crazy when we missed it the last time. We weren't even supposed to be that good that year, while this year we were picked to win the Big East. If we don't make it, it will be curious to see the reactions of that group.
There were no posters 'here' when we missed it last time. There was no 'here'. Not to mention there were two future NBA players on the team. And I was right next to you on the jsonline forums arguing on your side against Abe Froman. Stop playing the martyr.
Quote from: hairyworthen on December 16, 2013, 02:36:42 PM
North Carolina missed in 2010 after winning n.c.
Kentucky missed in 2013 after winning n. c.
AZ missed in 2012 and 2010
UCLA missed in 2010 and 2012
Just a few examples of high profile "blue blood" type programs missing the NCAA tournament.
It happens, teams have rebuilding or down years.
Some solid backups to an argument (not sure if you know how this board works...).
OK. Missing the tournament every once in a long while is VERY possible; and probably inevitable.
However, missing it a year that we are supposed to win the BE would be tragic. (That being said, I dont see us missing this year)
Quote from: APieperFan3 on December 16, 2013, 02:50:16 PM
Some solid backups to an argument (not sure if you know how this board works...).
OK. Missing the tournament every once in a long while is VERY possible; and probably inevitable.
However, missing it a year that we are supposed to win the BE would be tragic. (That being said, I dont see us missing this year)
I can't wait for MU to get its first quality win--it's imminent. This board will be so much more chill. We go through these freak-outs every year and every year MU notches some solid wins and all is well. Patience is key.
Borrowing from a thread on another site..... 2010-11, OOC, our best wins were Bucknell, UWGB, and UWM. MU lost to Duke, Gonzaga, Wisconsin, and Vanderbilt. Granted, MU had to finish with a flourish to get in. But where MU is right now is hardly uncharted territory.
Quote from: APieperFan3 on December 16, 2013, 02:50:16 PM
Some solid backups to an argument (not sure if you know how this board works...).
OK. Missing the tournament every once in a long while is VERY possible; and probably inevitable.
However, missing it a year that we are supposed to win the BE would be tragic. (That being said, I dont see us missing this year)
I think we get in also, as a seed higher than a 5. The tournament isn't for another 2 months, things change. The team will find it's identity and be a solid tournament team come March.
Quote from: tower912 on December 16, 2013, 02:58:55 PM
Borrowing from a thread on another site..... 2010-11, OOC, our best wins were Bucknell, UWGB, and UWM. MU lost to Duke, Gonzaga, Wisconsin, and Vanderbilt. Granted, MU had to finish with a flourish to get in. But where MU is right now is hardly uncharted territory.
We were also in the best single-season conference ever, where there was a marquee resume game almost every time out and the 9th and 11th place teams were in the Sweet 16. Consistency in BE play will be everything, since it won't be possible to make up for losing to a mediocre team by just beating the top 15 team scheduled a few days later.
Quote from: chapman on December 16, 2013, 03:09:58 PM
Consistency in BE play will be everything, since it won't be possible to make up for losing to a mediocre team by just beating the top 15 team scheduled a few days later.
Agreed. And also more important Non-con season as well.
Making excuses for not making the dance is fun--just like making excuses for not alnding a quality big every decade or so.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on December 16, 2013, 01:24:33 PM
New look bracketology has us at a 12 seed. Though that's probably where we should be right now it sucks to see us in a play in game. Also not very much love for the BE as it just says the three traditionally big time C7 teams and Creighton make the tournament. Would be fun to play Jeronne Maymon though.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology
Wait, I missed Selection Sunday yesterday?
Quote from: hairyworthen on December 16, 2013, 03:02:29 PM
I think we get in also, as a seed higher than a 5. The tournament isn't for another 2 months, things change. The team will find it's identity and be a solid tournament team come March.
With big wins over...who, exactly? You don't get handed a 4 seed or higher with your best win being St. John's or home to a mediocre Georgetown type team.
Quote from: willie warrior on December 16, 2013, 03:14:32 PM
Making excuses for not making the dance is fun--just like making excuses for not alnding a quality big every decade or so.
Yeah, our bigs suck ass. Thank god we have kick ass guards though.
Quote from: Jajuannaman on December 16, 2013, 02:17:05 PM
"You guys are all saying 8-11, this one guys says 12. IN YO FACE!!!!" - a complete moron
you know something jackoffman, which I doubt, you are one. back to the ignore button.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 16, 2013, 03:15:47 PM
Wait, I missed Selection Sunday yesterday?
Right cause posting this was me saying it's the end of the world and that this is where we're gonna be for the whole season. Get over yourself I was posting the current bracketology that gets posted here every time it comes out. Jeeze. Also noticed you didn't say that on the other thread with the same article do you just have a vendetta against me? Do you feel like annoying one person and not the other?
Quote from: wadesworld on December 16, 2013, 03:16:57 PM
With big wins over...who, exactly? You don't get handed a 4 seed or higher with your best win being St. John's or home to a mediocre Georgetown type team.
Everyone freaks out and predicts a lower seed than we actually get every year. Last year I picked the exact seed they got and I was one of only a few picking them with that high of a seed.
If they finish first or second in the big east they will get higher than a 5 seed. I firmly believe they will do that. They finished first in the old big east last year. Did you think that would happen at this time last year? Only if your name was brew city.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on December 16, 2013, 03:22:27 PM
Right cause posting this was me saying it's the end of the world and that this is where we're gonna be for the whole season. Get over yourself I was posting the current bracketology that gets posted here every time it comes out. Jeeze.
I appreciate the post. Talking about this stuff way too prematurely is what fans do.
I enjoy bracketology as the tournament gets closer but its kind of foolish at this point in the season. Even more foolish is that Lunardi claims to have his teams projected in/out as of THIS moment. Marquette would really be in over George Washington (last team in and first team out, respectively)??? Marquette is 6-4 and is 1-4 vs. the RPI top 100 and RPI top 200. GW is 9-1 which includes 3-1 vs. the top 100 and 5-1 vs. top 200. If you were to play a game of "blind resume", is Marquette really more deserving of a bid than GW?
but more important - do we get a shot at Indiana? or Norfolk State? Or Murray State? What region are we in, can we travel easily?
Quote from: willie warrior on December 16, 2013, 01:39:29 PM
Hmmmm.....This does not square with the soothsayers on this board who are now saying we are anywhere from an 8 seed to a 11 seed. Lots of basketball yet to be played, but we will need to pretty much own the conference to get in solidly.
It also "does not square" with the soothsayers on this board who are saying we will be sub .500 in conference. You can look at it either way. I'm not surprised by the viewpoint you selected.
Quote from: tower912 on December 16, 2013, 02:44:11 PM
There were no posters 'here' when we missed it last time. There was no 'here'. Not to mention there were two future NBA players on the team. And I was right next to you on the jsonline forums arguing on your side against Abe Froman. Stop playing the martyr.
+1
Quote from: tower912 on December 16, 2013, 02:44:11 PM
There were no posters 'here' when we missed it last time. There was no 'here'. Not to mention there were two future NBA players on the team. And I was right next to you on the jsonline forums arguing on your side against Abe Froman. Stop playing the martyr.
Actually, plenty of posters "here" that were from the previous board that stayed here and still to this DAY continue to rag on us missing that year. No martyr playing, it will be interesting to see the reaction....hopefully it doesn't come to that.
By the way, that team was picked for what in CUSA vs this year's team picked 1st in the Big East? Want a hint? It wasn't first, second, third....
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 16, 2013, 09:14:12 PM
Actually, plenty of posters "here" that were from the previous board that stayed here and still to this DAY continue to rag on us missing that year. No martyr playing, it will be interesting to see the reaction....hopefully it doesn't come to that.
That's true, this board goes back a whole lot further than this board, but it won't come to that. Barring additional injuries, this team will be in the tournament.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 16, 2013, 09:14:12 PM
Actually, plenty of posters "here" that were from the previous board that stayed here and still to this DAY continue to rag on us missing that year. No martyr playing, it will be interesting to see the reaction....hopefully it doesn't come to that.
By the way, that team was picked for what in CUSA vs this year's team picked 1st in the Big East? Want a hint? It wasn't first, second, third....
You are correct that not much was expected of us when we last missed the tournament in 2004-05. Sadly, the reason for this was we were coming off a very disappointing 2003-04, where we were a top 25 team in preseason coming off a Final Four and missed the tournament.
Regarding the once proud NIT, I'm on record that it's now "the loser's tournament". Even after a run of 7 NCAA wins in the last 3 years, I'll be very disappointed if we don't make it in this year, just as I was in 2003-04 and 2004-5 and would be any year.
Quote from: tower912 on December 16, 2013, 02:44:11 PM
There were no posters 'here' when we missed it last time. There was no 'here'. Not to mention there were two future NBA players on the team. And I was right next to you on the jsonline forums arguing on your side against Abe Froman. Stop playing the martyr.
Good old Abe. What a piece of work. What ever happened to him?
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on December 16, 2013, 09:21:36 PM
That's true, this board goes back a whole lot further than this board, but it won't come to that. Barring additional injuries, this team will be in the tournament.
We should, but we need to get it going very soon.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 16, 2013, 02:39:05 PM
I agree, but plenty of posters here went apeshot crazy when we missed it the last time. We weren't even supposed to be that good that year, while this year we were picked to win the Big East. If we don't make it, it will be curious to see the reactions of that group.
Revisionist history. We were preseason #23 that year.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings/_/year/2004/week/1/seasontype/2
Quote from: Jajuannaman on December 17, 2013, 08:56:15 AM
Revisionist history. We were preseason #23 that year.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings/_/year/2004/week/1/seasontype/2
You're right about the 2003-04 season. That year we were preseason top 25 and favored to compete with Cincinnati for the CUSA title. Missing the NCAA this year would parallel the disappointment of that season. We also missed the following year (04-05). Naturally, given the dismal performance in 03-04 expectations were lower in 04-05. Same will be true next year if we end up shy of 20 wins and in the NIT this year.
So, if we don't win 20 this year or next and play in the NIT both years will people here be dissatisfied like they were 10 years ago? Yes. Is anybody but Chicos fixated on making sure everybody goes ape shyte IF that's how the next two years play out? No. Makes you think there a very dark place in his heart that would celebrate if it actually happened. Why else would he spend his time publishing his daydreams about it?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 17, 2013, 09:59:29 AM
You're right about the 2003-04 season. That year we were preseason top 25 and favored to compete with Cincinnati for the CUSA title. Missing the NCAA this year would parallel the disappointment of that season. We also missed the following year (04-05). Naturally, given the dismal performance in 03-04 expectations were lower in 04-05. Same will be true next year if we end up shy of 20 wins and in the NIT this year.
So, if we don't win 20 this year or next and play in the NIT both years will people here be dissatisfied like they were 10 years ago? Yes. Is anybody but Chicos fixated on making sure everybody goes ape shyte IF that's how the next two years play out? No. Makes you think there a very dark place in his heart that would celebrate if it actually happened. Why else would he spend his time publishing his daydreams about it?
No doubt
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 16, 2013, 09:14:12 PM
Actually, plenty of posters "here" that were from the previous board that stayed here and still to this DAY continue to rag on us missing that year. No martyr playing, it will be interesting to see the reaction....hopefully it doesn't come to that.
By the way, that team was picked for what in CUSA vs this year's team picked 1st in the Big East? Want a hint? It wasn't first, second, third....
NIT years, 03-04, 04-05. Scoop debuted in October 2006. This site didn't exist. And I never was on rivals and didn't enjoy scout until the same week I joined here. Scoop Wiki says that MU was ranked 23rd in the 03-04 preseason and was ranked for 10 weeks in the season. So they must have gotten some preseason love. I freely admit that sometimes seasons don't go as expected. And I defended Crean on jsonline as the season death-spiraled. It just hasn't remained my raison d'etre.
Quote from: willie warrior on December 16, 2013, 03:14:32 PM
Making excuses for not making the dance is fun--just like making excuses for not alnding a quality big every decade or so.
So, what you're saying is that you are not a fun guy.
Quote from: tower912 on December 17, 2013, 11:25:01 AM
NIT years, 03-04, 04-05. Scoop debuted in October 2006. This site didn't exist. And I never was on rivals and didn't enjoy scout until the same week I joined here. Scoop Wiki says that MU was ranked 23rd in the 03-04 preseason and was ranked for 10 weeks in the season. So they must have gotten some preseason love. I freely admit that sometimes seasons don't go as expected. And I defended Crean on jsonline as the season death-spiraled. It just hasn't remained my raison d'etre.
All true Tower, but I think you're taking too narrow a view of the Chicos "reason for being". His mission is to unearth what he sees as hypocrisy in every person he disagrees with on every imaginable topic - including, but certainly not limited to, religion, philosophy, politics, culture and sports. It's a massive undertaking that leaves very little time for considering his own hypocrisies, an irony not lost on those he calls out.
If I had a dollar for everytime a scooper unnecessarily provoked Chicos...
Props though, its been awhile since I've posted this
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 17, 2013, 01:39:39 PM
If I had a dollar for everytime a scooper unnecessarily provoked Chicos...
Props though, its been awhile since I've posted this
Guess you missed his two previous posts in this thread.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 17, 2013, 09:59:29 AM
So, if we don't win 20 this year or next and play in the NIT both years will people here be dissatisfied like they were 10 years ago? Yes.
Are you really telling me that if we only win 19 games and only make the NIT, we can look forward to you in 2024 still harping about a dismal 19 win performance in 2014 as Buzz's defining coaching performance every time his name comes up?
Quote from: The Equalizer on December 17, 2013, 01:53:59 PM
Are you really telling me that if we only win 19 games and only make the NIT, we can look forward to you in 2024 still harping about a dismal 19 win performance in 2014 as Buzz's defining coaching performance every time his name comes up?
Of course not. I don't harp on Crean's dismal performance in 2003-04 or 2004-05 every time his name comes up either. I've always acknowledged that Crean was a pretty good coach. No Buzz, mind you, but pretty good. My biggest problem with him was never coaching acumen but his boorish behavior. I'm grateful he's Indiana's problem and not ours anymore.
Quote from: LittleMurs on December 17, 2013, 11:45:07 AM
So, what you're saying is that you are not a fun guy.
WTF. I just said this was fun. Sorry you are not enjoying it--even though you are reading and commenting to my post.
The last two times we played the winner of the play-in game, many experts thought we'd lose in the round of 64.