Nowhere to be found today at the game.
???
He is sick
Davante flu?
Well, guess I was wrong.
Homer confirmed he has the flu.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 14, 2013, 02:24:46 PM
Well, guess I was wrong.
Maybe so, but it's likely that he wasn't sick when you were told he would play.
Really disappointed he can't play this one. He could have gotten a solid 5-8 minutes under the bright lights for the first time. Doubt he plays against New Mexico, so hope he can get in for Ball St. then Samford before conference season.
Enjoying the good Wilson today!!
Quote from: Jajuannaman on December 14, 2013, 03:05:00 PM
Really disappointed he can't play this one. He could have gotten a solid 5-8 minutes under the bright lights for the first time. Doubt he plays against New Mexico, so hope he can get in for Ball St. then Samford before conference season.
Seconded. I was looking forward to seeing Duane all week. Hope he's ready to go on Tuesday.
Probably could have still out scored DeWilson today...
Quote from: Jajuannaman on December 14, 2013, 03:05:00 PM
Really disappointed he can't play this one. He could have gotten a solid 5-8 minutes under the bright lights for the first time. Doubt he plays against New Mexico, so hope he can get in for Ball St. then Samford before conference season.
Does anyone have an update on his health? Will we see Duane Wilson tonight against Ball State?
Quote from: kclem on December 17, 2013, 06:04:42 PM
Does anyone have an update on his health? Will we see Duane Wilson tonight against Ball State?
We sure as hell should, against Cupcake City. If not, that speaks volumes about the Leader.
Quote from: willie warrior on December 17, 2013, 06:08:54 PM
We sure as hell should, against Cupcake City. If not, that speaks volumes about the Leader.
Or volumes about influenza.
Quote from: willie warrior on December 17, 2013, 06:08:54 PM
We sure as hell should, against Cupcake City. If not, that speaks volumes about the Leader.
Hysterically dim-witted
Quote from: willie warrior on December 17, 2013, 06:08:54 PM
We sure as hell should, against Cupcake City. If not, that speaks volumes about the Leader.
you preach it willie. what does 2 sweet 16's, an elite 8, and a BEAST championship say about the leader???
Quote from: avid1010 on December 17, 2013, 06:56:14 PM
you preach it willie. what does 2 sweet 16's, an elite 8, and a BEAST championship say about the leader???
Yesterday's newspaper to Willie. Maybe he thinks Buzz took stupid pills over the summer.
Quote from: willie warrior on December 17, 2013, 06:08:54 PM
We sure as hell should, against Cupcake City. If not, that speaks volumes about the Leader.
Yes, dammit. Pull him from his sickbed, take the IV's out his arm, put extra towels around the floor, give him some gatorade, and send his flu-weakened carcass out there! Willie, are you sure you aren't trying for satire?
Could have played tonight but didn't......Would have been nice to see him....Buzz obviously sticking to his plan. Can't see him playing against New Mexico so one more chance to get is feet wet before conference play starts.
Seems almost a waste not to redshirt him at this point if he is open to it.....
Quote from: MuMark on December 17, 2013, 10:35:14 PM
Could have played tonight but didn't......Would have been nice to see him....Buzz obviously sticking to his plan. Can't see him playing against New Mexico so one more chance to get is feet wet before conference play starts.
Seems almost a waste not to redshirt him at this point if he is open to it.....
Can you confirm he could have? Seems like he may have been a bit under the weather still.
Was he healthy tonight, or just "available"? Has he practiced since last Wednesday or Thursday?
Not sure what they know but the announcers during the game tonight did say that Duane "didn't even look close to 100%"
No need to rush him back against cupcake
Quote from: tower912 on December 17, 2013, 07:21:10 PM
Yes, dammit. Pull him from his sickbed, take the IV's out his arm, put extra towels around the floor, give him some gatorade, and send his flu-weakened carcass out there! Willie, are you sure you aren't trying for satire?
He is suited up and been medically cleared, so all the rest of your BS is that---BS!!!!!
Was at the game early in the blue/gold room ... Ran into Buzz. Asked him if Duane would see action, he said "no, he's still hurting."
Not sure what that means (what exactly is hurting, his foot or the flu) but it's obvious the plan all along was no Duane or Steve Taylor last night.
Quote from: willie warrior on December 18, 2013, 06:39:59 AM
Quote from: tower912 on December 17, 2013, 07:21:10 PM
Yes, dammit. Pull him from his sickbed, take the IV's out his arm, put extra towels around the floor, give him some gatorade, and send his flu-weakened carcass out there! Willie, are you sure you aren't trying for satire?
He is suited up and been medically cleared, so all the rest of your BS is that---BS!!!!!
No, it's not. Announcers for last night's game said that they watched him during shoot around, that he has beautiful form on his jumper, but that he is still clearly not ready. People with no dog in the fight. But what do they know.
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 18, 2013, 06:43:03 AM
Was at the game early in the blue/gold room ... Ran into Buzz. Asked him if Duane would see action, he said "no, he's still hurting."
Not sure what that means (what exactly is hurting, his foot or the flu) but it's obvious the plan all along was no Duane or Steve Taylor last night.
It means nothing - absolutely nothing - stacked up against willie warrior's weapons-grade stupidity.
Quote from: willie warrior on December 17, 2013, 06:08:54 PM
We sure as hell should, against Cupcake City. If not, that speaks volumes about the Leader.
That's Dear Leader to you >:(
My guess is the staff and Wilson's family are having a long talk about a redshirt. It will be harder to break the rotation at this point of the season and I'm sure no one wants this to be a wasted year for Wilson. If he comes back at this point, he burns the redshirt. Any further injury won't matter, his chance to take a redshirt will be gone.
If he's not clearly a guy who can earn minutes based on practice play, there's no reason for him to come back.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 18, 2013, 07:19:54 AM
That's Dear Leader to you >:(
My guess is the staff and Wilson's family are having a long talk about a redshirt. It will be harder to break the rotation at this point of the season and I'm sure no one wants this to be a wasted year for Wilson. If he comes back at this point, he burns the redshirt. Any further injury won't matter, his chance to take a redshirt will be gone.
If he's not clearly a guy who can earn minutes based on practice play, there's no reason for him to come back.
Is this a wild ass guess or an educated guess or do you have inside info? How do you know how he is doing or will do in practice? It's not like we are loaded and super talented at point guard. He should be able to get into the rotation and he brings something to the position that Der. Wilson does not.
Quote from: hairyworthen on December 18, 2013, 07:28:36 AM
Is this a wild ass guess or an educated guess or do you have inside info? How do you know how he is doing or will do in practice? It's not like we are loaded and super talented at point guard. He should be able to get into the rotation and he brings something to the position that Der. Wilson does not.
What I have heard: He was struggling in practice even before he had to sit. Nothing terrible. Just similar to a lot of freshmen who don't fully understand how to play defense at this level.
My guess: I was thinking similar to brew, that you won't see either Duane or Taylor v. New Mexico, and that would give them the break over Christmas to have conversations with their families about redshirts.
Quote from: hairyworthen on December 18, 2013, 07:28:36 AM
Is this a wild ass guess or an educated guess or do you have inside info? How do you know how he is doing or will do in practice? It's not like we are loaded and super talented at point guard. He should be able to get into the rotation and he brings something to the position that Der. Wilson does not.
Just go on what we know...places on court are given based on practice, minutes are earned with defense. That means Duane will likely be behind the 8-ball trying to break into what is currently a 9.5 man rotation. He has only recently started practicing regularly, so he has to climb past Dawson just to crack that 9.5, and if Buzz tightens the roster like he usually does come Big East play, he will have to play even more impressively to unseat the rapidly ascending JJJ and Burton or one of the more experienced guards, likely Jake or Todd.
No one has to like it, but Derrick is going to get 28+ the rest of the year. Right now, Jamil and Dawson are taking the remainder. Could Duane fight past Dawson to become the primary backup point off the bench? Sure. But at the same time, Dawson seems like the player most likely to have his minutes slashed come December 31, so Duane could easily come back, spend 2 weeks fighting his way into the rotation, only to see that rotation spot disappear.
Now the rest of this is wild ass guess, but if Derrick were to go down, I'm pretty sure Jamil would get 25 minutes or more at the point. That's the only way there'd be significant minutes for a freshman at the point. Could Duane come in and get those minutes? Maybe. But again, he'd have to get past Dawson and anyone else Buzz wanted to experiment with, like Juan or another guard. But the only way I think Duane would be guaranteed to get a chance at minutes (and that's just a chance, not a guarantee of minutes) would be an injury to Derrick. Is it worth burning the redshirt for that?
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 18, 2013, 07:58:21 AM
Just go on what we know...places on court are given based on practice, minutes are earned with defense. That means Duane will likely be behind the 8-ball trying to break into what is currently a 9.5 man rotation. He has only recently started practicing regularly, so he has to climb past Dawson just to crack that 9.5, and if Buzz tightens the roster like he usually does come Big East play, he will have to play even more impressively to unseat the rapidly ascending JJJ and Burton or one of the more experienced guards, likely Jake or Todd.
No one has to like it, but Derrick is going to get 28+ the rest of the year. Right now, Jamil and Dawson are taking the remainder. Could Duane fight past Dawson to become the primary backup point off the bench? Sure. But at the same time, Dawson seems like the player most likely to have his minutes slashed come December 31, so Duane could easily come back, spend 2 weeks fighting his way into the rotation, only to see that rotation spot disappear.
Now the rest of this is wild ass guess, but if Derrick were to go down, I'm pretty sure Jamil would get 25 minutes or more at the point. That's the only way there'd be significant minutes for a freshman at the point. Could Duane come in and get those minutes? Maybe. But again, he'd have to get past Dawson and anyone else Buzz wanted to experiment with, like Juan or another guard. But the only way I think Duane would be guaranteed to get a chance at minutes (and that's just a chance, not a guarantee of minutes) would be an injury to Derrick. Is it worth burning the redshirt for that?
Yep, I guess our backcourt is doomed due to too much talent!
I'm just funnin'. I think Duane has a difficult decision to make and I wish him luck.
Quote from: MU82 on December 18, 2013, 08:08:02 AM
Yep, I guess our backcourt is doomed due to too much talent!
I'm just funnin'. I think Duane has a difficult decision to make and I wish him luck.
LOL
In all honesty, it's somewhat the truth. Not the doomed part, but this team is really starting to show its depth.
PG - Derrick is going to get minutes, whether people like it or not. Jamil is proving more and more to be a quality option swinging back there, and Dawson is at least showing he can get a few minutes. Not sure that will continue come conference play, but he isn't an automatic turnover and he's got some definite offensive upside. Though we would be in trouble if he had to play 20+ mpg.
2/3 - We have Juan, Jake, Mayo, Burton, and JJJ to divvy up 80 minutes per game, with Juan flexing up to the 4 some. Plenty of talent and depth.
4 - Jamil will get the bulk, Juan will get some time as will Oxtule when they are both out there.
C - I still think Oxtule is one of the best 1-2 punches at the 5 in the country. Jamil can play up there in a pinch.
This is a really deep team. That should serve us well as the season goes on, provided everyone is able to stay healthy. But it makes it harder for someone like Duane to come in and get immediate minutes, especially as we only have 1 cupcake left.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on December 18, 2013, 07:56:31 AM
What I have heard: He was struggling in practice even before he had to sit. Nothing terrible. Just similar to a lot of freshmen who don't fully understand how to play defense at this level.
My guess: I was thinking similar to brew, that you won't see either Duane or Taylor v. New Mexico, and that would give them the break over Christmas to have conversations with their families about redshirts.
It would be very tough to redshjrt Steve since he's already played in eight games.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 18, 2013, 07:58:21 AM
Just go on what we know...places on court are given based on practice, minutes are earned with defense. That means Duane will likely be behind the 8-ball trying to break into what is currently a 9.5 man rotation. He has only recently started practicing regularly, so he has to climb past Dawson just to crack that 9.5, and if Buzz tightens the roster like he usually does come Big East play, he will have to play even more impressively to unseat the rapidly ascending JJJ and Burton or one of the more experienced guards, likely Jake or Todd.
No one has to like it, but Derrick is going to get 28+ the rest of the year. Right now, Jamil and Dawson are taking the remainder. Could Duane fight past Dawson to become the primary backup point off the bench? Sure. But at the same time, Dawson seems like the player most likely to have his minutes slashed come December 31, so Duane could easily come back, spend 2 weeks fighting his way into the rotation, only to see that rotation spot disappear.
Now the rest of this is wild ass guess, but if Derrick were to go down, I'm pretty sure Jamil would get 25 minutes or more at the point. That's the only way there'd be significant minutes for a freshman at the point. Could Duane come in and get those minutes? Maybe. But again, he'd have to get past Dawson and anyone else Buzz wanted to experiment with, like Juan or another guard. But the only way I think Duane would be guaranteed to get a chance at minutes (and that's just a chance, not a guarantee of minutes) would be an injury to Derrick. Is it worth burning the redshirt for that?
Fair enough,
I see Duane as a viable back up to Der Wil, even if he had not been injured, that is what he would have been. From the team's perspective, if his role ends up being the same as it would have been had he not been injured, then why red shirt him? Let him gain some game experience albeit in a limited role. Duane and his family, with input from Buzz will have to decide what is best for him and do what is in his best interest. As it stands now, we really don't have a viable back up at point guard. I would hope Du. Wil quickly jumps past Dawson and Jamil Wil as back -up point.
I think it is a different situation than we had with Cadougan who should have red shirted in my opinion.
Quote from: ecompt on December 18, 2013, 08:32:17 AM
It would be very tough to redshjrt Steve since he's already played in eight games.
Not tough at all....if they can show his injury got worse he's under the requirement of games played he should be fine. The only reason Steve doesn't redshirt this year is if Juan or Jamil get hurt
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 18, 2013, 08:20:15 AM
This is a really deep team. That should serve us well as the season goes on, provided everyone is able to stay healthy. But it makes it harder for someone like Duane to come in and get immediate minutes, especially as we only have 1 cupcake left.
Yep, the extended minutes did a ton for Burton and Johnson's impact as the rotation tightens up. Very difficult decisions regarding Duane's role (and Steve too).
Quote from: ecompt on December 18, 2013, 08:32:17 AM
It would be very tough to redshjrt Steve since he's already played in eight games.
Could be, we really haven't been given enough information on his prognosis. Is another surgery on the table, or can we get an NCAA-respected doctor's opinion that he requires three more months of rest and rehab and shouldn't be playing? Can probably get the redshirt then. If it's just being hurt at the wrong time and now he's going to miss the rotation, then he's not getting the extra year out of it.
Quote from: hairyworthen on December 18, 2013, 08:33:29 AMFair enough,
I see Duane as a viable back up to Der Wil, even if he had not been injured, that is what he would have been. From the team's perspective, if his role ends up being the same as it would have been had he not been injured, then why red shirt him? Let him gain some game experience albeit in a limited role. Duane and his family, with input from Buzz will have to decide what is best for him and do what is in his best interest. As it stands now, we really don't have a viable back up at point guard. I would hope Du. Wil quickly jumps past Dawson and Jamil Wil as back -up point.
I think it is a different situation than we had with Cadougan who should have red shirted in my opinion.
I heard the same as Sultan from a few sources regarding Duane struggling a bit in practice even before the injury. So in regards to that question, I would respond in the form of a question: If the role he would have had was as the third point behind Derrick and Dawson (not to mention Jamil taking minutes), is it worth burning a redshirt to come back and have to fight from behind 2.5 guys with half the season gone and the rotation already established?
Further, the more he misses these cupcakes, the less likely he'll be able to make an impact on games that matter. We have seen how Buzz goes based on who has shown they can be trusted on the court. Maybe that led to too much Junior in the past and obviously many feel that's leading to too much Derrick this year, but if Duane comes in and plays less than 10 minutes against Samford, that burns the redshirt and it's entirely possible he won't play much more than that combined in the remaining 20-25 games.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 18, 2013, 08:41:19 AM
I heard the same as Sultan from a few sources regarding Duane struggling a bit in practice even before the injury. So in regards to that question, I would respond in the form of a question: If the role he would have had was as the third point behind Derrick and Dawson (not to mention Jamil taking minutes), is it worth burning a redshirt to come back and have to fight from behind 2.5 guys with half the season gone and the rotation already established?
Further, the more he misses these cupcakes, the less likely he'll be able to make an impact on games that matter. We have seen how Buzz goes based on who has shown they can be trusted on the court. Maybe that led to too much Junior in the past and obviously many feel that's leading to too much Derrick this year, but if Duane comes in and plays less than 10 minutes against Samford, that burns the redshirt and it's entirely possible he won't play much more than that combined in the remaining 20-25 games.
I have a VERY VERY hard time believing Buzz would allow that to happen. If he comes back against Samford, Buzz will find time for him in Big East play. He may not be in the main rotation, but he is going to play more than 10 minutes over the course of 25 games. I am not really sure what is the best decision at this point - I was really hoping to see him last night. I would still side with letting him play if he is healthy.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 18, 2013, 08:41:19 AM
I heard the same as Sultan from a few sources regarding Duane struggling a bit in practice even before the injury. So in regards to that question, I would respond in the form of a question: If the role he would have had was as the third point behind Derrick and Dawson (not to mention Jamil taking minutes), is it worth burning a redshirt to come back and have to fight from behind 2.5 guys with half the season gone and the rotation already established?
Further, the more he misses these cupcakes, the less likely he'll be able to make an impact on games that matter. We have seen how Buzz goes based on who has shown they can be trusted on the court. Maybe that led to too much Junior in the past and obviously many feel that's leading to too much Derrick this year, but if Duane comes in and plays less than 10 minutes against Samford, that burns the redshirt and it's entirely possible he won't play much more than that combined in the remaining 20-25 games.
Well, right but I guess I don't buy your premise that he would be behind Dawson and Jamil. That's the unknown.
If Duane wants to red-shirt, that decision is his to make. I hope that even if he chooses that route, he keeps working hard in practice. If something were to happen to Derrick, a la Diener, I would want Duane to be as ready as possible, because he and JD would have to grow up fast.
Quote from: hairyworthen on December 18, 2013, 09:10:37 AM
Well, right but I guess I don't buy your premise that he would be behind Dawson and Jamil. That's the unknown.
I have been increasingly unimpressed with Dawson. Now, I know it's tough to play in only short stints, but he doesn't seem very comfortable out there.
Maybe it comes down to if Buzz thinks Duane will move past Dawson on the depth chart this year. If Duane is going to be behind Dawson at the 1 and just be in the jumble for scraps at the 2, it makes little sense for him to give up a year.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 18, 2013, 09:00:22 AM
I have a VERY VERY hard time believing Buzz would allow that to happen. If he comes back against Samford, Buzz will find time for him in Big East play. He may not be in the main rotation, but he is going to play more than 10 minutes over the course of 25 games. I am not really sure what is the best decision at this point - I was really hoping to see him last night. I would still side with letting him play if he is healthy.
Well, that's why I'm starting to think the redshirt is a lot more likely. Buzz won't just play Duane because he's healthy and eligible. He'll play him because he's ready to contribute. If Duane is the 4th option in a 3-man rotation, is it worth trying to get back? I believe Jamail had 14 DNPs as a freshman after conference play started. Ferguson had 17. Erik had 9. Is it inconceivable that Duane would get a DNP in half or more of our remaining games and limited minutes in the chances he got, especially as at least 19 of our remaining games will be meaningful?
I'm all for Duane and hope he has a great career here. I just worry that rushing back to play in a season that's nearly half-gone might end up being a wasted one.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 18, 2013, 09:32:07 AM
Well, that's why I'm starting to think the redshirt is a lot more likely. Buzz won't just play Duane because he's healthy and eligible. He'll play him because he's ready to contribute. If Duane is the 4th option in a 3-man rotation, is it worth trying to get back? I believe Jamail had 14 DNPs as a freshman after conference play started. Ferguson had 17. Erik had 9. Is it inconceivable that Duane would get a DNP in half or more of our remaining games and limited minutes in the chances he got, especially as at least 19 of our remaining games will be meaningful?
I'm all for Duane and hope he has a great career here. I just worry that rushing back to play in a season that's nearly half-gone might end up being a wasted one.
I understand your concern. I think everyone on this board shares your concern. But the season is less than half over - and the games that really count have not even started. "IF" Duane is healthy, and "IF" Buzz thinks he has a chance at decent minutes, he needs to be out there. I don't see Duane as the 4th option at PG, but I also haven't seen him play since this past summer. In Buzz I trust, but I think throwing the rest of Duane's season down the tube in hopes that he'll stick around for a 5th year is far too conservative with the make-up of the PG position on this squad. We shall see.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 18, 2013, 09:36:22 AM
I understand your concern. I think everyone on this board shares your concern. But the season is less than half over - and the games that really count have not even started. "IF" Duane is healthy, and "IF" Buzz thinks he has a chance at decent minutes, he needs to be out there. I don't see Duane as the 4th option at PG, but I also haven't seen him play since this past summer. In Buzz I trust, but I think throwing the rest of Duane's season down the tube in hopes that he'll stick around for a 5th year is far too conservative with the make-up of the PG position on this squad. We shall see.
Redshirting Duane is not a one time answer of course. If he agrees to redshirt, he still practices with the team. He just doesn't play. If for whatever reason (injury, lack of performance by another player, etc.) they need him to play, he can go ahead and play.
That would be different than Steve and a medical redshirt though.
Quote from: Heisenberg on December 18, 2013, 06:43:03 AM
Was at the game early in the blue/gold room ... Ran into Buzz. Asked him if Duane would see action, he said "no, he's still hurting."
Not sure what that means (what exactly is hurting, his foot or the flu) but it's obvious the plan all along was no Duane or Steve Taylor last night.
Let's see: Buzz says last week he has full medical clearance, the announcers said he looked to have beautiful form (implying there was no sign of pain). The kid is suited up but Dr. Buzz says no he is still hurting. Then why is he suited up? Something not right with this picture. Why can't Buzz clear the air and say what the hell is going on? But then all the kool aid drinkers will blindly come forward and call anybody that raises those types of concerns any name they can think of. As the illustrious Frank Drebben said "Nothing to see here"
Quote from: MU82 on December 18, 2013, 09:25:19 AM
I have been increasingly unimpressed with Dawson. Now, I know it's tough to play in only short stints, but he doesn't seem very comfortable out there.
Maybe it comes down to if Buzz thinks Duane will move past Dawson on the depth chart this year. If Duane is going to be behind Dawson at the 1 and just be in the jumble for scraps at the 2, it makes little sense for him to give up a year.
Dawson is fine. He's not a blue-chip frosh. It's going to take some time and hard work before he can contribute.
He's not going to play much (if at all) in conference play.
Buzz was really working Jamil at PG last night trying to get him ready to play 10min. of PG per game so he can get Derrick down to 30mpg. (instead of 38+ against the best opponents)
Quote from: willie warrior on December 18, 2013, 09:46:43 AM
Let's see: Buzz says last week he has full medical clearance, the announcers said he looked to have beautiful form (implying there was no sign of pain). The kid is suited up but Dr. Buzz says no he is still hurting. Then why is he suited up? Something not right with this picture. Why can't Buzz clear the air and say what the hell is going on? But then all the kool aid drinkers will blindly come forward and call anybody that raises those types of concerns any name they can think of. As the illustrious Frank Drebben said "Nothing to see here"
Duane will play when Buzz thinks he's ready.
Air. Cleared.
Quote from: hairyworthen on December 18, 2013, 09:10:37 AMWell, right but I guess I don't buy your premise that he would be behind Dawson and Jamil. That's the unknown.
I wonder, if Duane was from Oklahoma City, or Dallas, or Boston, would people feel as confident that he was going to come in and get minutes right away? If we've learned anything from freshmen over the past few years, it's that many of them aren't going to contribute heavily in their first year. And when a freshman suffers a major setback, it only decreases that likelihood. I know a lot of people watched Duane in high school, but the average freshman has a ton to adjust to when they come to this level, Duane's injury is significantly more than that.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 18, 2013, 09:32:07 AM
Well, that's why I'm starting to think the redshirt is a lot more likely. Buzz won't just play Duane because he's healthy and eligible. He'll play him because he's ready to contribute. If Duane is the 4th option in a 3-man rotation, is it worth trying to get back? I believe Jamail had 14 DNPs as a freshman after conference play started. Ferguson had 17. Erik had 9. Is it inconceivable that Duane would get a DNP in half or more of our remaining games and limited minutes in the chances he got, especially as at least 19 of our remaining games will be meaningful?
I'm all for Duane and hope he has a great career here. I just worry that rushing back to play in a season that's nearly half-gone might end up being a wasted one.
Then perhaps the Coach should explain what is going on.Isn't that reasonable?
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on December 18, 2013, 09:49:29 AM
Duane will play when Buzz thinks he's ready.
Air. Cleared.
Not really. That needs to come from the Coach's mouth. That is what he should say, if it is true. What is so difficult about him saying that?
The announcers said he clearly wasn't ready.
Quote from: willie warrior on December 18, 2013, 09:51:46 AM
Then perhaps the Coach should explain what is going on.Isn't that reasonable?
Honestly, that's not reasonable.
The coach and Duane's family will communicate through the process and come to a decision.
Once a solid decision has been made, that will be shared with the public.
The coach does not need to share the process at this point. Too many variables. Too many people misinterpreting stuff.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 18, 2013, 09:51:12 AM
I wonder, if Duane was from Oklahoma City, or Dallas, or Boston, would people feel as confident that he was going to come in and get minutes right away? If we've learned anything from freshmen over the past few years, it's that many of them aren't going to contribute heavily in their first year. And when a freshman suffers a major setback, it only decreases that likelihood. I know a lot of people watched Duane in high school, but the average freshman has a ton to adjust to when they come to this level, Duane's injury is significantly more than that.
Lets look at who we have at back up point guard. Dawson, is a freshman also so he has the same adjustments to make as Duane does. Jamil is out of position at the point, the reason he is playing there speaks volumes on where Dawson is at this time. Of course Buzz has a pretty good idea of where Duane will fit in and maybe you are correct, but I am not so sure he would be behind Dawson and Jamil, we just don't know for sure yet.
Quote from: willie warrior on December 18, 2013, 09:51:46 AM
Then perhaps the Coach should explain what is going on.Isn't that reasonable?
No, not reasonable at all. Buzz has an obligation to be accountable to his players, his players' families, and his employers. He has no obligation to tell the fans what Duane's status is just because a bunch of idiots on the Internet are complaining. Certainly not until after the situation is resolved.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 18, 2013, 09:59:15 AM
No, not reasonable at all. Buzz has an obligation to be accountable to his players, his players' families, and his employers. He has no obligation to tell the fans what Duane's status is just because a bunch of idiots on the Internet are complaining. Certainly not until after the situation is resolved.
Don't agree with you. he does have a responsibility to the fans also. Since he has been medically cleared and is suiting up, then tell us why he is not playing. He is hurting does not square with the medical report Buzz gave. If he is not ready, then Buzz needs to say so. If his defense or practice results are lacking, he needs to say so. He does it for others.
Quote from: willie warrior on December 18, 2013, 11:10:10 AM
Don't agree with you. he does have a responsibility to the fans also. Since he has been medically cleared and is suiting up, then tell us why he is not playing. He is hurting does not square with the medical report Buzz gave. If he is not ready, then Buzz needs to say so. If his defense or practice results are lacking, he needs to say so. He does it for others.
Yeah, no. He doesn't owe you a damn thing where this is concerned.
Quote from: willie warrior on December 18, 2013, 11:10:10 AM
Don't agree with you. he does have a responsibility to the fans also. Since he has been medically cleared and is suiting up, then tell us why he is not playing. He is hurting does not square with the medical report Buzz gave. If he is not ready, then Buzz needs to say so. If his defense or practice results are lacking, he needs to say so. He does it for others.
In order...
No, he doesn't. He doesn't have to. Buzz doesn't need to say anything. Buzz doesn't need to say anything. What he does for others has nothing to do with Duane.
Bottom line, you are quite simply wrong. You can pout and whine and bang your fists against the wall, but Buzz owes you nothing.
Seems like everybody but willie agrees that Buzz doesn't owe us anything in terms of reporting on Duane.
Odd that a coach would owe such a report to one fan. Must be one important dude.....
Quote from: willie warrior on December 18, 2013, 11:10:10 AM
Since he has been medically cleared and is suiting up, then tell us why he is not playing. He is hurting does not square with the medical report Buzz gave.
Isn't it possible to be medically cleared AND still be hurting? Medically cleared could be that playing would not risk further injury, but Duane could still be hurting. Isn't S. Taylor medically cleared? Yet, Buzz has said that he is still fighting through some pain. Seems to me they aren't the same thing.
Quote from: willie warrior on December 18, 2013, 09:46:43 AM
Let's see: Buzz says last week he has full medical clearance, the announcers said he looked to have beautiful form (implying there was no sign of pain). The kid is suited up but Dr. Buzz says no he is still hurting. Then why is he suited up? Something not right with this picture. Why can't Buzz clear the air and say what the hell is going on? But then all the kool aid drinkers will blindly come forward and call anybody that raises those types of concerns any name they can think of. As the illustrious Frank Drebben said "Nothing to see here"
The announcers also said that he didn't look "even close to 100%"
Why is he suited up? In the very small chance that Derrick goes down with an injury and Jamil fouls out and Dawson is like a deer in the headlights, a not 100% Duane is the next best option.
Dude, settle down. You get so angry about problems that don't even exist
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 18, 2013, 01:11:35 PM
The announcers also said that he didn't look "even close to 100%"
Why is he suited up? In the very small chance that Derrick goes down with an injury and Jamil fouls out and Dawson is like a deer in the headlights, a not 100% Duane is the next best option.
Dude, settle down. You get so angry about problems that don't even exist
That about sums it up
Is Williie a troll?
Quote from: GOO on December 18, 2013, 02:43:35 PM
Is Williie a troll?
Up there with "Is the Pope Catholic?" and "Does a bear s**t in the woods?" in terms of self-evident questions used to sarcastically prove a point.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 18, 2013, 02:45:18 PM
Up there with "Is the Pope Catholic?" and "Does a bear s**t in the woods?" in terms of self-evident questions used to sarcastically prove a point.
I guess I am not the smartest guy. He sure wastes a lot of time on this board for a non-MU fan. Can he be banned?
He is a UW-something alum that spent 20 minutes in a MU graduate program back in the day. I wouldn't call him a troll. Just a one-note unintentionally funny satirist.
Quote from: GOO on December 18, 2013, 02:50:02 PM
I guess I am not the smartest guy. He sure wastes a lot of time on this board for a non-MU fan. Can he be banned?
I wish he would be, but the Ignore Feature works well for some...
Quote from: willie warrior on December 18, 2013, 09:46:43 AM
Let's see: Buzz says last week he has full medical clearance, the announcers said he looked to have beautiful form (implying there was no sign of pain). The kid is suited up but Dr. Buzz says no he is still hurting. Then why is he suited up? Something not right with this picture. Why can't Buzz clear the air and say what the hell is going on? But then all the kool aid drinkers will blindly come forward and call anybody that raises those types of concerns any name they can think of. As the illustrious Frank Drebben said "Nothing to see here"
Maybe you should send Buzz a note asking if he likes you with boxes to check: Yes, No, Maybe
What does Buzz need to justify to you or any of us. What in his performance says he has anything other than the players, the teams, and the universities interests(in that order) at heart? You would like to know, so would I...but there is absolutely nothing we should know.
Do you also see conspiracies in every corner? What about this situation says something is "going on"?
The announcers have no credibility. They have no clue what is really going on with Duane. Until Buzz speaks up, no one really knows what's going on. I think Willie has a point. Buzz does have a responsibility to fans to tell us what Duane's status is. We are supporting the team by spending big bucks on tickets, etc. and some of us looked forward to watching Duane play this year. What is going on Buzz? Please give us an update, whether it's good or bad on Duane's status.
Quote from: willie warrior on December 18, 2013, 11:10:10 AM
Don't agree with you. he does have a responsibility to the fans also. Since he has been medically cleared and is suiting up, then tell us why he is not playing. He is hurting does not square with the medical report Buzz gave. If he is not ready, then Buzz needs to say so. If his defense or practice results are lacking, he needs to say so. He does it for others.
his responsibility is to the players regarding injuries. his responsibility to the fans is to win with a program that MU can be proud of. he's won, and i'm happy with the way the players conduct themselves overall, so he's fulfilled that responsibility.
i've posed this question to you a million times, and you will never answer it. if buzz is such a dope, then who should MU find to replace him? everyday i manage employees that do things i have no idea how to do myself. in the end, we set standards for their productivity and their conduct, because micro-managing their actions and decisions would show a great deal of arrogance and stupidity on my part. they are then evaluated based upon those standards. what are your standards for buzz?
Duane is medically cleared to play and wants to play.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on December 18, 2013, 04:27:11 PM
The announcers have no credibility. They have no clue what is really going on with Duane. Until Buzz speaks up, no one really knows what's going on. I think Willie has a point. Buzz does have a responsibility to fans to tell us what Duane's status is. We are supporting the team by spending big bucks on tickets, etc. and some of us looked forward to watching Duane play this year. What is going on Buzz? Please give us an update, whether it's good or bad on Duane's status.
While it would be nice to know the actual detailed status of Duane, I'm pretty sure only professional sports have the responsibility to inform the media/fans. Even that can be difficult. Bill Belichek?
Quote from: wadesworld on December 18, 2013, 06:19:25 PM
Duane is medically cleared to play and wants to play
Wade, you clearly have some inside track on talking to some of the players. Does Duane feel he's
ready to play? If the answer is yes, does Duane feel he knows the defensive rotations and can execute them well enough to play as well or better than DeWil, JD or JWil, when they each play the point? I guess the question would apply to whomever is playing the 2 as well.
Either way, I would like to know Duane's thoughts. I can imagine being cleared to play and really wanting to play, but if I'm honest with myself, realize why I'm not playing.
Quote from: GOO on December 18, 2013, 02:43:35 PM
Is Williie a troll?
Yeah, Willie must be a troll because he does not swallow all the Kool Aid some do and asks questions. Listening to some on this board, Buzz can tell the fans to shove it.
And just for the record I have been an MU fan for longer than many on this board and have seen plenty of coaches come and go.
If you do not like the questions, don't read the posts. And of course, if you do not like the opinions, call names, that is always classy and satisfies the little boy in those that do it.
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on December 18, 2013, 08:56:51 PM
Wade, you clearly have some inside track on talking to some of the players. Does Duane feel he's ready to play? If the answer is yes, does Duane feel he knows the defensive rotations and can execute them well enough to play as well or better than DeWil, JD or JWil, when they each play the point? I guess the question would apply to whomever is playing the 2 as well.
Either way, I would like to know Duane's thoughts. I can imagine being cleared to play and really wanting to play, but if I'm honest with myself, realize why I'm not playing.
Duane and his camp feel as though he is ready to play. I do not know exactly what his thoughts on where he fits int he rotation are.
Quote from: willie warrior on December 18, 2013, 10:09:39 PM
Yeah, Willie must be a troll because he does not swallow all the Kool Aid some do and asks questions. Listening to some on this board, Buzz can tell the fans to shove it.
And just for the record I have been an MU fan for longer than many on this board and have seen plenty of coaches come and go.
If you do not like the questions, don't read the posts. And of course, if you do not like the opinions, call names, that is always classy and satisfies the little boy in those that do it.
I don't know if you are a troll or not because I don't even know what a troll is. I simply wonder if Marquette basketball gives you any joy whatsoever, that's all.
I mean, if this coach, who has given us the best run of basketball since Al retired, hasn't earned a modicum of trust and loyalty, why bother even being a fan?
It doesn't mean he shouldn't be questioned occasionally. As is the case with the rest of us, he isn't perfect. But to constantly tear down a guy who has ushered in an era that most fans at most schools would give their left you-know-what for, it just doesn't make sense to me.
It's sports. It's supposed to be enjoyable.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 18, 2013, 10:50:58 PM
Duane and his camp feel as though he is ready to play. I do not know exactly what his thoughts on where he fits int he rotation are.
If Duane feels he is ready to play but Buzz doesn't, my inclination is to trust the latter.