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Consider:

UW
Total Games = 119
First Game = 1917
Series record = 55 (MU) 64 (UW)

Depaul
Total Games = 112
First Game = 1918
Series record = 68 (MU) 44(Dep)

Notre Dame
Total Games = 118
First Game = 1920
Series record = 38 (MU) 80(ND)

Louisville
Total Games = 67
First Game = 1942
Series record = 26 (MU) 41('ville)

UWM
Total Games = 39
First Game = 1917
Series record = 39 (MU) 0(UWM)

Why didn't you list IU on here based on the threads?

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 05, 2013, 02:06:52 PM
Why didn't you list IU on here based on the threads?

IU only is brought up as an ancillary based on their current head coach. I think most people here have no real problem with the team or players or university. It's the coach. And, by extension of feelings for that coach, people talk about the team. If he left IU, i don't think anyone would be talking about IU.

1)  ND
2)  DePaul (though they hardly "rival" us recently)
3)  UW

Just out of curiosity, where is Cincy?  How many times have we played them?  I can rememeber some great games with those guys, especially during the CUSA days.

It's impressive that ND can win even when we play Louisville or UWM  :)

Quote from: ElDonBDon on December 05, 2013, 02:28:00 PM
Just out of curiosity, where is Cincy?  How many times have we played them?  I can remember some great games with those guys, especially during the CUSA days.

Cincy
Total Games = 46
First Game = 1974
Series record = 19 (MU) 27 (Cincy)

Answered UW Madison based on current scheduling. 

If ND werre on the schedule, they would be #1.

As a student from '78-82 it went:

1) ND
1a)ND
1b)ND
1c)ND
2) DePaul
3) UW

Can't stand ND.

Quote from: willie warrior on December 05, 2013, 03:34:03 PM
Can't stand ND.

Isn't hatred necessary to be a rival?

I personally hate ND the most, but not having them on the schedule consistently probably excludes them from the biggest rival discussion.

I guess I would have to say it's UW now because of geography, recruiting, and bragging rights.

I hope our new conference creates some new rivalries that could surpass MU v. UW. Who knows, maybe DePaul will get their heads out of their backsides at some point to elevate the traditional rivalry.

Hard to say, anymore.   I never thought UW was, but with the fracturing and restructuring of the Big East, I don't really have anyone other than Georgetown that I have a healthy dislike for.    A year ago, two, I would have said ND or Louisville.   Today, I guess by default, it is UW, simply due to history and continuous play.  

Quote from: tower912 on December 05, 2013, 03:41:42 PM
Hard to say, anymore.   I never thought UW was, but with the fracturing and restructuring of the Big East, I don't really have anyone other than Georgetown that I have a healthy dislike for.    A year ago, two, I would have said ND or Louisville.   Today, I guess by default, it is UW, simply due to history and continuous play.  

Any particular reason?  I remember a couple of fans on their board were all poo-poo after losing to FGCU and took out their frustrations by hating on our success, but I generally find them agreeable.  And because they're the de facto flagship program of the BE, I generally find myself rooting hard for them, especially in the OOC.

I think I dislike them because they and their fans do see themselves as the de facto head of the Big East.   Also because of some of the games that have been played between the two schools.   

Dayton

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 05, 2013, 02:06:52 PM
Why didn't you list IU on here based on the threads?

Can always tell when Chicos is bored at work.

Why was Chico's not included as a vote option??   ;D


Kidding aside - I'd voted Wisconsin.  Hate losing to them because their fanbase is insufferable.

I wonder how many on that list would consider us their biggest rival?  Maybe Depaul and UWM?

Quote from: MarsupialMadness on December 05, 2013, 04:01:44 PM
I wonder how many on that list would consider us their biggest rival?  Maybe Depaul and UWM?

Who would UW consider their biggest rival? I'm sure many would say MSU, OSU, or IU, but I bet that sense of rivalry wouldn't be reciprocated by those fan bases.

Quote from: muhoops1 on December 05, 2013, 03:58:01 PM
Dayton

Dayton
Total Games = 35
First Game = 1966
Last Game = November 29, 2008
Series record = 21 (MU) 14 (Dayton)

Hard to have your biggest rival a team that we don't even play.
If you don't think Wisky is a rival my guess you live in Chicagoland and think its dePaul or Loyola.

Quote from: MarsupialMadness on December 05, 2013, 04:01:44 PM
I wonder how many on that list would consider us their biggest rival?  Maybe Depaul and UWM?

We've played ND 118 times.  They rank second for MU (behind UW) and we are number 1 for ND (Depaul is #2).

Most ND fans (ie., "low information" fans) think their biggest rival is the best ranked team on this year's schedule.  Those that are true ND basketball fans recognize MU as one of their biggest rivals, along with Depaul and IU.

Quote from: We R Final Four on December 05, 2013, 04:08:18 PM
Hard to have your biggest rival a team that we don't even play.
If you don't think Wisky is a rival my guess you live in Chicagoland and think its dePaul or Loyola.

Loyola IL
Total Games = 81
First Game = 1925
Last Game = December 17, 2001
Before That = February 17, 1991
Series record = 46 (MU) 35 (Loyola)

So a team we have not played in 13 years (counting this year) and once in the last 23 years is a rival?

Other teams we have long histories with

Detriot
Total Games = 88
First Game = 1925
Last Game = November 14, 2006
Series record = 61 (MU) 27 (Detroit)

Creighton
Total Games = 76
First Game = 1923
Last Game = March 11, 1998
Series record = 48 (MU) 28 (Creighton)

Xavier
Total Games = 61
First Game = 1923
Last Game = March 18, 2011
Series record = 45 (MU) 16 (Xavier)

St. Louis
Total Games = 54
First Game = 1925
Last Game = March 5, 2005
Series record = 31 (MU) 23 (St. Louis)

Mich State
Total Games = 54
First Game = 1922
Last Game = March 15, 2007
Before That = January 13, 1959
Series record = 23 (MU) 31 (MSU)

Northwestern
Total Games = 29
First Game = 1921
Last Game = December 3, 1994
Before That = December 19, 1987
Series record = 14 (MU) 15 (NU)

Notre Dame for me followed by sconnie. HATE ND...

Quote from: Heisenberg on December 05, 2013, 04:16:41 PM
Loyola IL
Total Games = 81
First Game = 1925
Last Game = December 17, 2001
Before That = February 17, 1991
Series record = 46 (MU) 35 (Loyola)

So a team we have not played in 13 years (counting this year) and once in the last 23 years is a rival?

Didn't think I needed teal, but I guess I should have.

If ND was on this year's schedule or there was a plan in place to put them back on the schedule, it wouldn't be close for me--ND.  

DePaul has sucked for too long.

UWM is taken as the joke intended.

By default it is Bucky--it didn't feel that way in the 80's, but it does now.

Interesting to see the teams being added by Heisenberg and others.

Anyone else find it interesting that based on the numbers given the top three "rivals" as voted dominate Marquette in the all time match-ups?

Larry Williams!

Quote from: Golden Avalanche on December 05, 2013, 05:56:01 PM
Anyone else find it interesting that based on the numbers given the top three "rivals" as voted dominate Marquette in the all time match-ups?

I don't know if I would say dominated with UW-madison.  It's 46.2% to 53.8%. 

The other ones are far more pronounced...only 32% of the ND games won.  38.8% of the Louisville games. 

I agree that UW and ND are the two leaders by a long shot but if Depaul was still good I'd have them right there with those two.  In fact when Depaul isn't good and beats us (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X-eYsrLOdY) for that split instant I'm more upset than when UW or ND beats us. 

ND

And it's very disappointing that we're not playing them this year and every year.  Major failure by MU athletics dept.  I'd rather have a regular rivalry non conference game with ND than with a powerhouse like Ohio State.  It's more fun, and it cements the bond (or lack of ) between the universities and fan base. 

Quote from: WarriorFan on December 05, 2013, 07:38:15 PM
ND

And it's very disappointing that we're not playing them this year and every year.  Major failure by MU athletics dept.  I'd rather have a regular rivalry non conference game with ND than with a powerhouse like Ohio State.  It's more fun, and it cements the bond (or lack of ) between the universities and fan base. 

Not MUs fault ... ND has to commit

With ND and Louisville off the schedule, it has to be Wisconsin. Whether they admit it or not, we were their biggest rival before and after the reconstruction of the Big East. They may want it to be MSU, Michigan, or Ohio State, but those three are a lot more obsessed with each other than they are UW. A rivalry has to go both ways. Wisconsin is #1, though ND is right there if we renew the series.

Quote from: brewcity77 on December 06, 2013, 06:50:35 AM
With ND and Louisville off the schedule, it has to be Wisconsin. Whether they admit it or not, we were their biggest rival before and after the reconstruction of the Big East. They may want it to be MSU, Michigan, or Ohio State, but those three are a lot more obsessed with each other than they are UW. A rivalry has to go both ways. Wisconsin is #1, though ND is right there if we renew the series.

This is spot on from both sides.  The only people on their side trying to claim MU is not a rival are internet d-bags with an agenda...

Im too lazy to go look but Im pretty sure there are quotes stating how big the rivalry is from former UW players.

Well DePaul is the only school on the list that is still in our conference and they've been pretty bad.  If ND was still in our conference I would have said them, possibly the same for Louisville.  But out of these choices I have to say UW (which I hate because they think we are obsessed with them).

I consider Georgetown and Villanova to be pretty good rivalries for us despite the geographic separation.  We've had some great games with both those teams.

Quote from: WarriorFan on December 05, 2013, 07:38:15 PM
ND

And it's very disappointing that we're not playing them this year and every year.  Major failure by MU athletics dept.  I'd rather have a regular rivalry non conference game with ND than with a powerhouse like Ohio State.  It's more fun, and it cements the bond (or lack of ) between the universities and fan base. 

Obviously, you don't know what's going on there.  ND has axed the series for the foreseeable future.

Quote from: brewcity77 on December 06, 2013, 06:50:35 AM
With ND and Louisville off the schedule, it has to be Wisconsin. Whether they admit it or not, we were their biggest rival before and after the reconstruction of the Big East. They may want it to be MSU, Michigan, or Ohio State, but those three are a lot more obsessed with each other than they are UW. A rivalry has to go both ways. Wisconsin is #1, though ND is right there if we renew the series.

However, we as fans of MU might have felt about Louisville, I'm sure that their fans would giggle at the thought that we were rivals.  The team that they love to hate and that they feel on the same level as is Kentucky.

Quote from: LittleMurs on December 06, 2013, 08:52:16 AM
Obviously, you don't know what's going on there.  ND has axed the series for the foreseeable future.

But that's not public knowledge. There's been no official word from the South Bend athletic department. It's simply the truth based on a narrative built here from the words of three people who are closer to the inside track than the casual fan.

Right?

Quote from: Golden Avalanche on December 06, 2013, 09:18:59 AM
But that's not public knowledge. There's been no official word from the South Bend athletic department. It's simply the truth based on a narrative built here from the words of three people who are closer to the inside track than the casual fan.

Right?

Yet, far more likely than the statement that the series wasn't continued due to a "Major failure by MU athletics dept."

Quote from: CoachesCorner on December 06, 2013, 07:27:07 AM
This is spot on from both sides.  The only people on their side trying to claim MU is not a rival are internet d-bags with an agenda...

Im too lazy to go look but Im pretty sure there are quotes stating how big the rivalry is from former UW players.

Funny, it's probably the internet dbags who hate us the most.  The looks of hatred and the early exit of Vadger fans when we beat them at the KohlHole 2 years ago tells me all I need to know....It's a rivlary.

A rivalry is only a "rivalry" if the opposing team consider us as so. Therefore, I would say Wisconsin and maybe Depaul.

Quote from: LittleMurs on December 06, 2013, 08:55:27 AM
However, we as fans of MU might have felt about Louisville, I'm sure that their fans would giggle at the thought that we were rivals.  The team that they love to hate and that they feel on the same level as is Kentucky.

Not if they pay attention.  I'm sure Louisville fans would rather beat Kentucky than Marquette, but there's no question that they have been one of our top rivals over the past 15 years.  Part of what makes a rivalry great is memorable games and there are just a ton of them in this series.  Card Chronicle did a great job compiling a list of the best games between these teams.  I'll never forget the game Wade had at Louisville to bring us all the way back from 19 down to win and completely dominated Reece Gaines, or the Jerry Smith shot to beat us, or the time they came back from 18 down with 5:36 to play and I literally could not talk about it for two weeks.

http://www.cardchronicle.com/2012/1/16/2710357/ten-most-memorable-louisville-vs-marquette-games-rivalry-cardinals-knowles-jerry-smith

Quote from: Dreadman24 on December 06, 2013, 09:57:00 AM
A rivalry is only a "rivalry" if the opposing team consider us as so. Therefore, I would say Wisconsin and maybe Depaul.

This is correct, and also why the BS meter goes off on the UW-madison board.  MSU doesn't consider UW-madison a rival, neither does OSU, or Michigan or IU.  I'm sure UW-madison believes those teams are rivals, but there is no reciprocation. 

So when I hear the nonsense in the endless threads and posts screaming how MU isn't a rival, it is always a rather humorous affair.  It takes two to tango for a rivalry to matter.  UW-milwaukee fans think MU is a rivalry, it is not a rivalry in reality.  It may be couched that way, but not really.

I'd still go UW-madison, Notre Dame, DePaul and hopefully some new ones to be created moving forward.

One thing I like about the new conference is that Xavier, Butler and Creighton are all well positioned to be new rivals.

I think going forward the most likely one is Xavier, I don't understand the idea that Creighton is most likely to be our rival.  We've had a couple great games recently against X (Old Spice Classic and ending their Sweet 16 streak) and recently our profiles in terms of success have been similar.

Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on December 06, 2013, 02:07:07 PM
I think going forward the most likely one is Xavier, I don't understand the idea that Creighton is most likely to be our rival.  We've had a couple great games recently against X (Old Spice Classic and ending their Sweet 16 streak) and recently our profiles in terms of success have been similar.

Agreed.  Xavier seems to have a chippiness (case in point: recent Cincy-X games) to their style too which usually adds to the rivalry.

Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on December 06, 2013, 02:07:07 PM
I think going forward the most likely one is Xavier, I don't understand the idea that Creighton is most likely to be our rival.  We've had a couple great games recently against X (Old Spice Classic and ending their Sweet 16 streak) and recently our profiles in terms of success have been similar.

From Creighton's perspective, I'm sure they will definitely look to us as a top rival, given that we are the closest in proximity to them.  And, since both teams are (were?) supposed to be pretty competitive this year, could be some great games off the bat to spark a rivalry. 

We might not end up feeling quite as strong about it as them, given some pre-existing/potential rivalries (G'town/Nova from old BE, X and Butler among newbies, given recent history).  But, my guess is that a couple of tough, chippy games this year, and that could shift quickly.  In old BE, I felt like both Pitt and 'cuse ended up becoming pretty good rivalries in just a few years time based on a couple of close/good games against them, even though I wouldn't have predicted that going in. 

Quote from: frozena pizza on December 06, 2013, 12:27:26 PM
One thing I like about the new conference is that Xavier, Butler and Creighton are all well positioned to be new rivals.

Here is the history with these schools

Creighton
Total Games = 76
First Game = 1923
Last Game = March 11, 1998
Series record = 48 (MU) 28 (Creighton)

Xavier
Total Games = 61
First Game = 1923
Last Game = March 18, 2011
Series record = 45 (MU) 16 (Xavier)

Butler
Total Games = 29
First Game = 1922
Last Game = March 23, 2013
Series record = 15 (MU) 14 (Butler)

Quote from: MUMountin on December 06, 2013, 02:36:57 PM
From Creighton's perspective, I'm sure they will definitely look to us as a top rival, given that we are the closest in proximity to them.  And, since both teams are (were?) supposed to be pretty competitive this year, could be some great games off the bat to spark a rivalry. 

We might not end up feeling quite as strong about it as them, given some pre-existing/potential rivalries (G'town/Nova from old BE, X and Butler among newbies, given recent history).  But, my guess is that a couple of tough, chippy games this year, and that could shift quickly.  In old BE, I felt like both Pitt and 'cuse ended up becoming pretty good rivalries in just a few years time based on a couple of close/good games against them, even though I wouldn't have predicted that going in. 

Well I was just referring to how Creighton's program is positioned going forward post gibbs and mcdermott.  I just don't see them staying at the level necessary to remain a big rival while I can see that with X.  Also I'm pretty sure Depaul is closer in proximity to Creighton. 

Quote from: brewcity77 on December 06, 2013, 06:50:35 AM
With ND and Louisville off the schedule, it has to be Wisconsin. Whether they admit it or not, we were their biggest rival before and after the reconstruction of the Big East. They may want it to be MSU, Michigan, or Ohio State, but those three are a lot more obsessed with each other than they are UW. A rivalry has to go both ways. Wisconsin is #1, though ND is right there if we renew the series.

You're right, it just sucks to admit it, both because we've lost the ND series and because it legitimatizes the crap that passes for basketball in Madison.  Rivalry games are supposed to be exciting, 89-86 victories, not snoozers where you can catch a 10 minute nap between baskets. 

Quote from: LittleMurs on December 06, 2013, 08:55:27 AM
However, we as fans of MU might have felt about Louisville, I'm sure that their fans would giggle at the thought that we were rivals.  The team that they love to hate and that they feel on the same level as is Kentucky.

Kentucky is clearly their biggest rival, but considering the games we had over the past 15-20 years, I think we definitely had a good rivalry and most of their fans acknowledged that. So many incredibly memorable games. Admittedly, most seemed to go their way (especially the past few years) but I think sharing conferences as long as we did helped cement us as rivals.

That said, with us no longer in the same conference, I'm sure they no longer see us as a rival. But that doesn't change the shared history, and pretty much every UL fan I've talked to acknowledges that it was significant.

The Bleecher report (the source of all sports wisdom!!) lists the 25 college basketball rivalries.  They say MU/ND is no. 23 and MU/UW is no. 16.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1719358-ranking-the-25-best-rivalries-in-college-basketball/page/4

They seem to be saying that we are NDs biggest rival but our biggest rival is UW.

Hoping Butler becomes a big rival. Those two games we played with them last year were hopefully a big sign of things to come.

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 05, 2013, 02:06:52 PM
Why didn't you list IU on here based on the threads?

Begging for it AGAIN.

Funny to read the Badger players talk about how important this game is, how it is a huge rivalry, etc.  The irony must be lost on their fans.

Quote from: Jay Bee on December 07, 2013, 11:44:04 AM
Begging for it AGAIN.

Jay Bee, they are the MOST talked about school on the MU Scoop message board other than MU....they must be a huge rivalry of ours.

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 07, 2013, 11:50:55 AM
Funny to read the Badger players talk about how important this game is, how it is a huge rivalry, etc.  The irony must be lost on their fans.

From the game day story in the Wisconsin State Journal:

"Gasser said earlier this week that if he could have chosen one regular-season game to play in last season, it would have been the one against Marquette. He was asked to describe the feeling of being forced to watch from the sidelines.

"Painful," he said. "Just dreadful. Something that wasn't fun. ... This is just a fun game to be part of, and I'm glad to be back and ready for it."

When the No. 8 Badgers (9-0) and Golden Eagles (5-3) meet at 1:15 p.m. today at the Kohl Center, it will be the teams' 120th meeting in a series that dates to 1917. For Gasser, a Port Washington native, it's a game that means a lot, especially after sitting out last season's installment.

"I love rivalries like this," Gasser said. "You know it's going to be a great game. It's not going to be a game where you can play 30 minutes and pull out the win. You've got to play hard for 40 minutes."

Case closed.