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Title: Koenig should have gone to MU
Post by: Let's Go Warriors on December 04, 2013, 07:01:27 PM
He is a fish out of water at UW.  That system will surely allow him to untilize his skill...
Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: mubb34 on December 04, 2013, 07:03:08 PM
Quote from: CoachesCorner on December 04, 2013, 07:01:27 PM
He is a fish out of water at UW.  That system will surely allow him to untilize his skill...


I would rather have Duane anyways...
Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: Let's Go Warriors on December 04, 2013, 07:09:39 PM
Quote from: mubb34 on December 04, 2013, 07:03:08 PM

I would rather have Duane anyways...

Id take them both...
Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: mubb34 on December 04, 2013, 07:13:15 PM
Quote from: CoachesCorner on December 04, 2013, 07:09:39 PM
Id take them both...

Gotta save at least one scholie for big man  ::)
Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on December 04, 2013, 07:14:19 PM
I hate to see what the Badgers defense is going to do to our high octane offense.  Ugh
Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: Let's Go Warriors on December 04, 2013, 07:20:17 PM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 04, 2013, 07:14:19 PM
I hate to see what the Badgers defense is going to do to our high octane offense.  Ugh

While I am surely not anticipating an MU win.  Virginia has had numerous good shots from within 5 feet and just is missing them.  Also, seem to be able to get into the paint pretty easily on UW. 
Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on December 04, 2013, 07:28:45 PM
Quote from: CoachesCorner on December 04, 2013, 07:20:17 PM
While I am surely not anticipating an MU win.  Virginia has had numerous good shots from within 5 feet and just is missing them.  Also, seem to be able to get into the paint pretty easily on UW. 

I'm not looking forward to Saturday.  The combined records of UW-madison's opponents is 28-5.  Solid defense, enough offense.  I don't disagree that UVA is missing some easier shots, but doesn't that always seem to be the case against the Vadgers?  Teams just miss.
Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: Let's Go Warriors on December 04, 2013, 07:30:50 PM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 04, 2013, 07:28:45 PM
I'm not looking forward to Saturday.  The combined records of UW-madison's opponents is 28-5.  Solid defense, enough offense.  I don't disagree that UVA is missing some easier shots, but doesn't that always seem to be the case against the Vadgers?  Teams just miss.

Except when the team is a higher seed in teh NCAA tournament  ;D
Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: brewcity77 on December 04, 2013, 07:38:23 PM
I'm glad Koenig went there. Uncontrollable Maymonesque father and a reputation as a me-first d-bag. Seems likes the perfect kid we'll love to dislike. I'm sure he'll be a fine player but probably just as much of an unlikable punk as Jordan Taylor.
Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: GGGG on December 04, 2013, 07:45:07 PM
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 04, 2013, 07:38:23 PM
I'm glad Koenig went there. Uncontrollable Maymonesque father and a reputation as a me-first d-bag. Seems likes the perfect kid we'll love to dislike. I'm sure he'll be a fine player but probably just as much of an unlikable punk as Jordan Taylor.


Really the only thing unlikable about Jordan Taylor was his immediate post-game tweet from two years ago.  Other than that I didn't think he was that bad of a guy by any means.
Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: willie warrior on December 04, 2013, 07:45:35 PM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 04, 2013, 07:14:19 PM
I hate to see what the Badgers defense is going to do to our high octane offense.  Ugh
But..but..wait...We are MU, they are the lowly Badgers.
Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: brewcity77 on December 04, 2013, 07:55:45 PM
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on December 04, 2013, 07:45:07 PM

Really the only thing unlikable about Jordan Taylor was his immediate post-game tweet from two years ago.  Other than that I didn't think he was that bad of a guy by any means.

That one moment stuck with me. Koenig will probably be even more hateable.
Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on December 04, 2013, 08:10:06 PM
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 04, 2013, 07:38:23 PM
I'm glad Koenig went there. Uncontrollable Maymonesque father and a reputation as a me-first d-bag. Seems likes the perfect kid we'll love to dislike. I'm sure he'll be a fine player but probably just as much of an unlikable punk as Jordan Taylor.

Jordan Taylor is actually a pretty good guy, but I knew him before my MU time, so I guess I never looked at him in that light.
Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: Les Nessman on December 04, 2013, 08:10:57 PM
"...should have gone to MU."
Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: Let's Go Warriors on December 04, 2013, 08:13:10 PM
Quote from: tommyc6 on December 04, 2013, 08:10:57 PM
"...should have gone to MU."

Hey, great post!  It added so much.

Well, maybe not...
Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: avid1010 on December 04, 2013, 08:22:51 PM
Quote from: willie warrior on December 04, 2013, 07:45:35 PM
But..but..wait...We are MU, they are the lowly Badgers.
i rolled my eyes at chicos post, then saw willie's post, and that validated my eye roll.

heck, when a fan refers to a state rival as lowly they do so because it's sports, and it's fun...not because they always have the best evidence, but because sports creates a bias that is essentially harmless, and often times just plain fun.  it's not like they're applying a "lowly" term to a serious situation like people who attend juco colleges, wear hoodies, or walk out on their players without showing them the respect they deserve.  
Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: forgetful on December 04, 2013, 08:32:40 PM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 04, 2013, 07:14:19 PM
I hate to see what the Badgers defense is going to do to our high octane offense.  Ugh

With the exception of the UVa game, UW's defense has been bad.  Best example was against Oral Roberts, where some favorable calls helped them avoid an upset.

Oral Roberts scored at will against them, because they made the wide open shots that they took.  UVa missed most of their wide open shots.

I'm not worried about UW's defense, I'm worried about their ability to shoot the 3.  They shoot over 45% and we really don't have a shot.  They shoot under 40 and we are going to have a close one.
Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: Lennys Tap on December 04, 2013, 08:32:52 PM
Quote from: avid1010 on December 04, 2013, 08:22:51 PM
i rolled my eyes at chicos post, then saw willie's post, and that validated my eye roll.

heck, when a fan refers to a state rival as lowly they do so because it's sports, and it's fun...not because they always have the best evidence, but because sports creates a bias that is essentially harmless, and often times just plain fun.  it's not like they're applying a "lowly" term to a serious situation like people who attend juco colleges, wear hoodies, or walk out on their players without showing them the respect they deserve.  

Hilarious and on the money.
Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on December 04, 2013, 09:08:37 PM
Quote from: avid1010 on December 04, 2013, 08:22:51 PM
i rolled my eyes at chicos post, then saw willie's post, and that validated my eye roll.

heck, when a fan refers to a state rival as lowly they do so because it's sports, and it's fun...not because they always have the best evidence, but because sports creates a bias that is essentially harmless, and often times just plain fun.  it's not like they're applying a "lowly" term to a serious situation like people who attend juco colleges, wear hoodies, or walk out on their players without showing them the respect they deserve.  

Like Buzz at New Orleans....oh snap.


I'm worried about their 3 shooting as well.  Eyes not rolling.



Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: 4everwarriors on December 04, 2013, 09:10:32 PM
Bo knows coachin'
Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: jesmu84 on December 04, 2013, 09:32:41 PM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 04, 2013, 09:08:37 PM
Like Buzz at New Orleans....oh snap.


I'm worried about their 3 shooting as well.  Eyes not rolling.

Did Buzz apply a "lowly" term to people who attend JUCO? Or wear hoodies? Did he walk out on players without showing them the respect they deserve? I assume you're referencing the last point. But do you actually know what Buzz did when he left? Buzz certainly could have had a long, private discussion with his players before announcing his decision. You have no idea. The big point there was "without showing [his players] the respect they deserve"
Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: wadesworld on December 04, 2013, 09:37:08 PM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 04, 2013, 09:08:37 PM
Like Buzz at New Orleans....oh snap.


I'm worried about their 3 shooting as well.  Eyes not rolling.





Buzz walked away from his team without showing them the respect they deserve?  I have a hard time believing that, but I'm sure one of your many important name drops was able to provide you with some inside information on that.
Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: LloydMooresLegs on December 04, 2013, 09:37:36 PM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 04, 2013, 09:08:37 PM
Like Buzz at New Orleans....oh snap.

Wow.  Way out of line. That is a jag comment, Chicos.  As I've said before, you are better than that.
Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 04, 2013, 09:49:58 PM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 04, 2013, 09:08:37 PM
Like Buzz at New Orleans....oh snap.


I didn't remember Buzz was on Crean's staff for that Craptacular Final 4 game.

#chicosjustcan'tleaveitalone
Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: The Lens on December 04, 2013, 09:54:05 PM
Why would anyone, I mean anyone, hold it against Buzz for taking a chance to learn at the foot of the master, Tom Crean?  I bet the UNO Chancellor was jealous of Buzz's opportunity.  YOU DON'T SAY NO TO TOM CREAN.
Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: Otule's Glass Eye on December 04, 2013, 10:02:41 PM
We don't need him.
Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: Stronghold on December 04, 2013, 10:16:11 PM
I'm glad UW will be 9-0 going into our game at their place.  Puts more pressure on them and if we win, it looks great.
Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 04, 2013, 10:47:18 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on December 04, 2013, 09:37:08 PM
Buzz walked away from his team without showing them the respect they deserve?  I have a hard time believing that, but I'm sure one of your many important name drops was able to provide you with some inside information on that.

Joe Fulce was so pissed at the lack of respect to his UNO LOI that he followed Buzz to MU to torment him for 3 years.
Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on December 04, 2013, 10:47:57 PM
Quote from: LloydMooresLegs on December 04, 2013, 09:37:36 PM
Wow.  Way out of line. That is a jag comment, Chicos.  As I've said before, you are better than that.


Actually, it wasn't out of line at all.  Read the comments from some of the New Orleans players.  They were obviously disappointed, as they should have been.  The comments from the AD, etc.  Look, I don't blame him for doing it, same as I don't blame TC for going to a better program.  It is what it is, I just find Avid's comments funny (and of course, hypocritical). 

Avid must have missed the part about the fact I married a JUCO...she's terrific.  Hoodies, love them...tried to order one yesterday from a link on this very site, unfortunately sold out.  I was going to get a hoodie for my JUCO wife.

Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on December 04, 2013, 10:50:19 PM
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 04, 2013, 10:47:18 PM
Joe Fulce was so pissed at the lack of respect to his UNO LOI that he followed Buzz to MU to torment him for 3 years.

Similar to those that left Milwaukee (or bound for Milwaukee) to follow someone in Bloomington...something like 5 or 6 of them.....felt all disrespected and all.   ;)
Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: We R Final Four on December 04, 2013, 10:55:27 PM
Quote from: LloydMooresLegs on December 04, 2013, 09:37:36 PM
Wow.  Way out of line. That is a jag comment, Chicos.  As I've said before, you are better than that.
No he's not......did he mention UW is gonna be tough to beat on Sat?

Only 4 times so far and several Buzz jabs along the way. Classic.
Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on December 04, 2013, 10:59:04 PM
Quote from: We R Final Four on December 04, 2013, 10:55:27 PM
No he's not......did he mention UW is gonna be tough to beat on Sat?

Only 4 times so far and several Buzz jabs along the way. Classic.

I cheered for Buzz on Sunday, very enthusiastically....only a few feet away from him....I got no credit from you on that either....despite your comments on Sunday.  You're such a downer.  Poopyhead



Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 04, 2013, 11:06:22 PM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 04, 2013, 10:50:19 PM
Similar to those that left Milwaukee (or bound for Milwaukee) to follow someone in Bloomington...something like 5 or 6 of them.....felt all disrespected and all.   ;)

I shouldn't have started this argument, but I'd guess they way Nick Williams feels about TC is way worse than the way Fulce feels about Buzz.  As for Mo Creek, it might be a better comparison (especially given the injury similarities to Fulce).
Title: Re: Koenig should have gone to MU
Post by: Eye on December 05, 2013, 07:27:56 AM
MU should have gotten in on Matt Thomas earlier. I think they're going to regret that in a few years.
Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on December 05, 2013, 08:14:15 AM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 04, 2013, 10:59:04 PM
I cheered for Buzz on Sunday, very enthusiastically....only a few feet away from him....I got no credit from you on that either.


Credit due to Chicos for cheering for MU to beat SD St.
Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: Dawson Rental on December 05, 2013, 08:40:41 AM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 04, 2013, 09:08:37 PM
Like Buzz at New Orleans....oh snap.


I'm worried about their 3 shooting as well.  Eyes not rolling.


Your sense of loyalty to an employer, even one that has broken promises made when someone was hired is commendable.

I guess that you are still on your first job out of school.
Title: Re: Koenig should have gone to MU
Post by: Dawson Rental on December 05, 2013, 08:48:58 AM
Quote from: Eye on December 05, 2013, 07:27:56 AM
MU should have gotten in on Matt Thomas earlier. I think they're going to regret that in a few years.

Where the hell did this come from?  Thomas isn't going to Wisconsin, so wouldn't this be more appropriate its own thread or the Malik Harris/LaChance would save us threads?
Title: Re: Koenig should have gone to MU
Post by: memorialspartans on December 05, 2013, 09:15:58 AM
I agree Koenig should of went to MU...would look great in a Warrior uni!
Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: Silkk the Shaka on December 05, 2013, 09:34:00 AM
Quote from: LloydMooresLegs on December 04, 2013, 09:37:36 PM
Wow.  Way out of line. That is a jag comment, Chicos.  As I've said before, you are better than that.

If you have to keep saying it.... maybe he isn't?
Title: Re: Koenig should have gone to MU
Post by: 4everwarriors on December 05, 2013, 10:10:26 AM
Shoulda not let Tokoto outta MKE, a'ina?
Title: Re: Koenig should have gone to MU
Post by: Eye on December 05, 2013, 12:04:12 PM
That's my way of saying MU was correct on not pursuing Koenig harder. If they were going to go harder after anybody in that league, it should have been Thomas. Sorry you couldn't read between the lines.
Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: keefe on December 05, 2013, 12:27:30 PM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 04, 2013, 10:47:57 PM

I was going to get a hoodie for my JUCO wife.



Your wife is a thug?
Title: Re: Koenig should have gone to MU
Post by: GGGG on December 05, 2013, 12:31:29 PM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 04, 2013, 10:47:57 PM
Avid must have missed the part about the fact I married a JUCO...she's terrific.  Hoodies, love them...tried to order one yesterday from a link on this very site, unfortunately sold out.  I was going to get a hoodie for my JUCO wife.


The new Chico's equivalent to "some of my best friends are black."
Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on December 05, 2013, 12:35:19 PM
Quote from: keefe on December 05, 2013, 12:27:30 PM
Your wife is a thug?

Only when she wears a hoodie and is buying ingredients to make Purple Drank

(http://www.driven2divide.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/url-81.jpeg)
Title: Re: Koenig should have gone to MU
Post by: Earl Tatum on December 05, 2013, 12:38:11 PM
We let two guards get away----MATT THOMAS AND BRONSON KOENIG. LOT BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE. DON'T CARE IF YOU CALL THEM TRADITIONALS. THEY ARE CASH AND DON'T NEED FLASH. BOTH CAN SHOOT THE TREY.
Title: Re: Koenig should have gone to MU
Post by: Earl Tatum on December 05, 2013, 12:39:11 PM
CHICO---WHAT'S IN THAT PURPLE DRINK?
Title: Re: Koenig should have gone to MU
Post by: GGGG on December 05, 2013, 12:41:57 PM
Quote from: Earl Tatum on December 05, 2013, 12:38:11 PM
We let two guards get away----MATT THOMAS AND BRONSON KOENIG. LOT BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE. DON'T CARE IF YOU CALL THEM TRADITIONALS. THEY ARE CASH AND DON'T NEED FLASH. BOTH CAN SHOOT THE TREY.


Matt Thomas was a late bloomer that a lot of schools missed out on.  MU was showing him some love late in the process, but it was simply too late.  So far it looks like ISU got a steal.

Koenig looks OK, but I would prefer Duane.  He was never interested in MU anyway.

It is way too early to call them successful recruits much less "LOT BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE."  (Not going to bother with the underline.
Title: Re: Koenig should have gone to MU
Post by: 4everwarriors on December 05, 2013, 12:42:50 PM
Liked this thread better as it was originally written, "Koenig should have went to MU"
Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on December 05, 2013, 03:16:43 PM
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on December 05, 2013, 08:14:15 AM
Credit due to Chicos for cheering for MU to beat SD St.

I cheer for MU to beat whomever they are playing
Title: Re: Koenig should have gone to MU
Post by: LloydMooresLegs on December 05, 2013, 03:20:10 PM
Quote from: Jajuannaman on December 05, 2013, 09:34:00 AM
If you have to keep saying it.... maybe he isn't?

Isn't out of line or isn't better than that? :)
Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on December 05, 2013, 03:21:16 PM
Quote from: LittleMurs on December 05, 2013, 08:40:41 AM
Your sense of loyalty to an employer, even one that has broken promises made when someone was hired is commendable.

I guess that you are still on your first job out of school.

I'm not under a contract, he was.  I'm free to leave as I wish, as are most people in this country.  Contracts are different matter.  This is why MU paid $300K to settle and get Buzz out of his contract.

Look, I don't blame him for leaving, better gig, didn't feel like he was getting what he was promised, etc.  Remember the thread about PERSPECTIVE....let's do that.  That's what it is about.  Avid made a comment about how the last guy disrespected MU and the players...that's fine.  I just wanted to note that the perspective of UNO fans, AD, players, at least some of them, was the exact same.  The irony wasn't lost on me, but I think it was lost on many others.

As is often the case around here, the fans have one set of rules for one coach, a different set for their own coach.  Feel free to swap out "coach" for posters as well.


Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: MUSF on December 05, 2013, 03:22:08 PM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 05, 2013, 03:16:43 PM
I cheer for MU to beat whomever they are playing

I'm not your typical Chicos hater, but don't you think it's weird that you have to make this statement on an MU message board?

This is probably a pretty good indicator that the perceptions of you on this board are more of a you problem than an everyone else problem.
Title: Re: Koenig should have gone to MU
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on December 05, 2013, 03:22:54 PM
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on December 05, 2013, 12:31:29 PM

The new Chico's equivalent to "some of my best friends are black."

Some of them are, in fact. 

For the record, I know many people that went to junior college, some ended up at UCLA, Cal, etc.  Did very well for themselves.  Didn't have the money for a 4 year school, or wanted to build up their grades.  Good for them.
Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: MerrittsMustache on December 05, 2013, 03:28:35 PM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 05, 2013, 03:21:16 PM
I'm not under a contract, he was.  I'm free to leave as I wish, as are most people in this country.  Contracts are different matter.  This is why MU paid $300K to settle and get Buzz out of his contract.

Look, I don't blame him for leaving, better gig, didn't feel like he was getting what he was promised, etc.  Remember the thread about PERSPECTIVE....let's do that.  That's what it is about.  Avid made a comment about how the last guy disrespected MU and the players...that's fine.  I just wanted to note that the perspective of UNO fans, AD, players, at least some of them, was the exact same.  The irony wasn't lost on my, but I think it was lost on many others.

As is often the case around here, the fans have one set of rules for one coach, a different set for their own coach.  Feel free to swap out "coach" for posters as well.


Source?

You also stated: Read the comments from some of the New Orleans players. They were obviously disappointed, as they should have been.  

The beef with Crean wasn't because the players were disappointed that he left necessarily. It was because of HOW he left.
Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on December 05, 2013, 03:51:03 PM
Quote from: MUSF on December 05, 2013, 03:22:08 PM
I'm not your typical Chicos hater, but don't you think it's weird that you have to make this statement on an MU message board?

This is probably a pretty good indicator that the perceptions of you on this board are more of a you problem than an everyone else problem.

I think its weirder MUSF that people would even think I wouldn't cheer for MU.  It's only handful, but I find that nonsense a lot more weird.  My office is a MU cathedral, part of my house, I fly to at least one away game a year.  I have been to most MU NCAA games in the last 10 years.  I spend an inordinate amount of time on a MU message board, certainly not because I don't cheer or care for the program.  One would think some common sense would be applied here at some point.  Perhaps too much to ask.
Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: MUSF on December 05, 2013, 04:02:15 PM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 05, 2013, 03:51:03 PM
I think its weirder MUSF that people would even think I wouldn't cheer for MU.  It's only handful, but I find that nonsense a lot more weird.  My office is a MU cathedral, part of my house, I fly to at least one away game a year.  I have been to most MU NCAA games in the last 10 years.  I spend an inordinate amount of time on a MU message board, certainly not because I don't cheer or care for the program.  One would think some common sense would be applied here at some point.  Perhaps too much to ask.

I personally don't doubt that you are an MU fan, but what you choose to comment on, and the manner in which you choose to comment is at least part of the problem.

It's like you are marching in a formation of a hundred people and wondering why 99 of them are out of step.
Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: NersEllenson on December 05, 2013, 04:04:17 PM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 05, 2013, 03:51:03 PM
I think its weirder MUSF that people would even think I wouldn't cheer for MU.  It's only handful, but I find that nonsense a lot more weird.  My office is a MU cathedral, part of my house, I fly to at least one away game a year.  I have been to most MU NCAA games in the last 10 years.  I spend an inordinate amount of time on a MU message board, certainly not because I don't cheer or care for the program.  One would think some common sense would be applied here at some point.  Perhaps too much to ask.

I personally know you are an MU fan and believe you to be one.  The only question I think I have and others here have is:  Are you ultimately a bigger fan of Tom Crean, than you are of MU under Buzz Williams?

Even 90% of the Crean detractors here can appreciate what the guy did at MU.  The other 10% only not able to due to bad personal experiences with the guy, and/or due to the way he CHOSE to leave MU and The Big 3 - not going to admin and his players first before it leaked.
Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on December 05, 2013, 04:14:04 PM
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on December 05, 2013, 03:28:35 PM
Source?

You also stated: Read the comments from some of the New Orleans players. They were obviously disappointed, as they should have been.  

The beef with Crean wasn't because the players were disappointed that he left necessarily. It was because of HOW he left.


Revisionist history.  The beef was that he left AND how he left.  It was both.  I can find plenty of examples here from 2008 where people lost their lids because he didn't honor his new contract, yada yada yada.  It was both.

As for sources, ok (I'm sure I'll regret this, but I'm merely answering the mail here for which I will be labeled a Buzz hater by simply copying and pasting what others have said    ::) ):

The AD
"extremely disappointed that Buzz Williams has decided to resign...."   http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2928349

"I was really torn last year between Buzz and Joe, and it's very rare that you get a chance to correct a mistake," Privateers athletic director Jim Miller said - "I told every candidate last year that it might get worse before it gets better and you better be prepared for it," Miller said. "Obviously the previous head coach wasn't prepared for it. I feel really good about hiring Joe." -  http://collegesportsinfo.com/2007/07/12/new-orleans-names-cal-assistant-pasternack-coach/#sthash.a2CN3WqT.dpuf

At least Towe coached here for five seasons. His successor, Williams, resigned after last season to become an assistant at Marquette. Miller, the athletic director, remains puzzled by his departure, saying that Williams, a native Texan, did not have local ties or an apparent appreciation of the halting pace of recovery.  "I guess it was a culture shock, and he couldn't really handle it," Miller said.   http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/22/sports/ncaabasketball/22neworleans.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0


UNO Administration
UNO is fighting the charges. "He claims he was misled about the situation," says Patricia Adams, the school's general counsel. "We disagree with that vehemently. Instead of honoring his contract, he chose to make these ludicrous allegations."   http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/bigeast/2009-02-24-marquette-buzz-williams_N.htm


UNO Fans...again, it's perception (THEIR PERCEPTION, NOT YOURS.  Just as IU fans will look at TC leaving FOR IU much differently than you view it with him leaving FROM MU.  Some of their fans saw it as no big deal, the perception of others were quite different...here are some examples)

"This move is bush league. Everyone in the UNO community has known for quite some time that the arena would not be ready for the upcoming bball season. Don't let Mr. Buzz pull your leg on that one! Besides, this was the perfect opportunity for him to build a fan base by recruiting wisely and putting a good product on the floor without any high expectations being pressed on him given the circumstances. This was a coward move. He either realized that he wasn't ready to be a head coach, or he was just being greedy and going after the money. IMHO, his decision to leave had as much to do with the arena as FEMA has had in helping people get back on their feet. Let's get Griff or Tic in here and get a winner!"

"What a sleezy thing to do to leave the program in July for an assistant's job."

"NO offense to Marquette fans--but I mean maybe I could understand his decision if he may have left for Duke, Kentucky etc..
I dont think it is appropriate. No matter if arena is ready or not. Buzz fizzed out on this one. And he wasnt a good coach. Thought UNO was predicted to be better than they were."

Etc, etc.  
Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on December 05, 2013, 04:17:41 PM
Quote from: MUSF on December 05, 2013, 04:02:15 PM
I personally don't doubt that you are an MU fan, but what you choose to comment on, and the manner in which you choose to comment is at least part of the problem.

It's like you are marching in a formation of a hundred people and wondering why 99 of them are out of step.

I choose to comment on people saying stupid stuff or saying stuff when the exact same thing is happening at MU.  When you get a bunch of sports fans together that move in a herd mentality, think with their heart instead of their brains sometimes, you are going to get those 99 situations.  That's just the way it is.  People can hate me for it, whatever.  It's like politics and religion. You can have one side rant and rave that the other side is doing X, Y, and Z and all the while that person's side is doing X, Y, and Z squared....sometimes it just becomes too funny.  The multiple standards people have depending on what ox is in the process of being gored has always been interesting to me.

Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on December 05, 2013, 04:20:42 PM
Quote from: Ners on December 05, 2013, 04:04:17 PM
I personally know you are an MU fan and believe you to be one.  The only question I think I have and others here have is:  Are you ultimately a bigger fan of Tom Crean, than you are of MU under Buzz Williams?

Even 90% of the Crean detractors here can appreciate what the guy did at MU.  The other 10% only not able to due to bad personal experiences with the guy, and/or due to the way he CHOSE to leave MU and The Big 3 - not going to admin and his players first before it leaked.

I'm a fan of Marquette, IU and KU.  I know coaches come and go.  I appreciate what Buzz is doing and appreciate what TC did (and is doing for one of my other alma maters).  Coaches come and go, none of them are loyal to the their schools.  I ultimately want whichever caretaker is at my schools to do well, to win, to graduate players, keep them off the police blotter, be good representatives of my alma mater.  If they accomplish this, then I am a big fan.  Because MU ranks highest for me, by default I'm a bigger fan of Buzz than the others.  When he leaves, which he will (they all do), then the next guy I will be a big fan of because he is MU's coach.

Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: MUSF on December 05, 2013, 08:05:01 PM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 05, 2013, 04:17:41 PM
I choose to comment on people saying stupid stuff or saying stuff when the exact same thing is happening at MU.  When you get a bunch of sports fans together that move in a herd mentality, think with their heart instead of their brains sometimes, you are going to get those 99 situations.  That's just the way it is.  People can hate me for it, whatever.  It's like politics and religion. You can have one side rant and rave that the other side is doing X, Y, and Z and all the while that person's side is doing X, Y, and Z squared....sometimes it just becomes too funny.  The multiple standards people have depending on what ox is in the process of being gored has always been interesting to me.

I don't disagree with any of this. In fact, I often feel the same way, and make similar comments. So do many others, but the tone, frequency, and nature of many of your posts seem to cause more consternation and blow back than others. Most of us don't have our loyalty questioned, get told that our posts are out of line, or get banned for large chunks of time.

If you take pride in being the contrarian, fine but don't act surprised when you get the response you have been trolling for.
Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: MerrittsMustache on December 06, 2013, 08:40:19 AM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 05, 2013, 04:14:04 PM
UNO Fans...again, it's perception (THEIR PERCEPTION, NOT YOURS.  Just as IU fans will look at TC leaving FOR IU much differently than you view it with him leaving FROM MU.  Some of their fans saw it as no big deal, the perception of others were quite different...here are some examples)

"This move is bush league. Everyone in the UNO community has known for quite some time that the arena would not be ready for the upcoming bball season. Don't let Mr. Buzz pull your leg on that one! Besides, this was the perfect opportunity for him to build a fan base by recruiting wisely and putting a good product on the floor without any high expectations being pressed on him given the circumstances. This was a coward move. He either realized that he wasn't ready to be a head coach, or he was just being greedy and going after the money. IMHO, his decision to leave had as much to do with the arena as FEMA has had in helping people get back on their feet. Let's get Griff or Tic in here and get a winner!"

"What a sleezy thing to do to leave the program in July for an assistant's job."

"NO offense to Marquette fans--but I mean maybe I could understand his decision if he may have left for Duke, Kentucky etc..
I dont think it is appropriate. No matter if arena is ready or not. Buzz fizzed out on this one. And he wasnt a good coach. Thought UNO was predicted to be better than they were."

Etc, etc.  

Interesting. Although, the comment section that you pulled these quotes from was actually pretty balanced. Quite a few people did not fault Buzz at all for leaving. Perhaps UNO fans are just more level-headed than Scoopers.



Title: Re: Koenig should have went to MU
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on December 06, 2013, 08:52:21 AM
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on December 06, 2013, 08:40:19 AM
Interesting. Although, the comment section that you pulled these quotes from was actually pretty balanced. Quite a few people did not fault Buzz at all for leaving. Perhaps UNO fans are just more level-headed than Scoopers.





Which I acknowledged, some were ok with it and some not.  I didn't even post the comments from the other articles which were more harsh....I think the point was made....it's all about perspective that one holds and everyone holds a different perspective based on how it affects them.
Title: Re: Koenig should have gone to MU
Post by: willie warrior on December 06, 2013, 11:05:01 AM
Joe Wolf should have gone to MU. Program would have been forever changed. Majerus stays for a long run; no Dukiet; no O'neil; no Crean, and eventually Bo Ellis becomes HC, keeping the McGuire lineage at MU to the present. And just think of the studs that would have been recruited by Majerus. More Roman Muellers, and Keith Van Horn.
Title: Re: Koenig should have gone to MU
Post by: 4everwarriors on December 06, 2013, 12:44:03 PM
Wolf and Ricky Olson were the finishin' touches for Majerus. He shoulda sent more ribs from Saz's up to Kohler, hey?
Title: Re: Koenig should have gone to MU
Post by: MUSF on December 06, 2013, 12:46:00 PM
Quote from: willie warrior on December 06, 2013, 11:05:01 AM
Joe Wolf should have gone to MU. Program would have been forever changed. Majerus stays for a long run; no Dukiet; no O'neil; no Crean, and eventually Bo Ellis becomes HC, keeping the McGuire lineage at MU to the present. And just think of the studs that would have been recruited by Majerus. More Roman Muellers, and Keith Van Horn.

I don't share your enthusiasm for Bo Ellis as MU's head coach, regardless of lineage.
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