Tough loss, but Jamil needs to look in the mirror and say enough is enough. He went 5 for 15, and missed his last five shots coming back off the bench with like three minutes to go. Foul trouble all game.
This team needs him and if his play stays like this, it may be a long season.
Quote from: nyg on November 25, 2013, 10:20:14 PM
Tough loss, but Jamil needs to look in the mirror and say enough is enough. He went 5 for 15, and missed his last five shots coming back off the bench with like three minutes to go. Foul trouble all game.
This team needs him and if his play stays like this, it may be a long season.
I thought he looked good. Played his ass off. Still committing stupid fouls, but I love the guy. I think the team fed off of him today.
There's no question he is the key this year. If he plays consistently well, it'll be another fun year. If he is as up and down as he was tonight (so far this year), it'll probably be a struggle. For the record, my money's on the former.
Quote from: nyg on November 25, 2013, 10:20:14 PM
Tough loss, but Jamil needs to look in the mirror and say enough is enough. He went 5 for 15, and missed his last five shots coming back off the bench with like three minutes to go. Foul trouble all game.
This team needs him and if his play stays like this, it may be a long season.
This is WAY off base
He did not look good, and did not play his ass off. 5-15 shooting, some stupid fouls, and 0-4 in the last two minutes. Nuff said
MU cannot rely on Jamil to carry the team - if we do we will lose a lot of games. Jamil has not shown the personality or decision making to be the team leader. Buzz has to find someone else, especially for the games Jamil will disappear in.
Totally agree. I mean, he was on the bench for the last play of the game! Some leader! Rabblerabblerabblerabble
Jamil is what kept the game reachable at the start. He did not finish well down the stretch but he had a great game. The is learning to be the leader we need. Tonight, he looked like he can fill the role. Derrick Wilson also played extremely well and looks like he can be a secondary leader.
Well call me crazy, but Derrick looked more of a leader tonight than Jamil did.
Jamil is going to have a huge year.
Quote from: newsdrms on November 25, 2013, 10:35:15 PM
Well call me crazy, but Derrick looked more of a leader tonight than Jamil did.
Having a good game does not make you a leader. I'll leave it at that. Jamil was Buzz on the court.
Was actually especially pleased with Davante. Didn't get frustrated, played with maturity, pulled down a ton of big boards at the end.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on November 25, 2013, 10:38:04 PM
Having a good game does not make you a leader. I'll leave it at that. Jamil was Buzz on the court.
Jamil was not Buzz on the court, had 3 dumb, unnecessary fouls that ended limiting his play. As for Derrick it was not just playing a good game. He played the PG as a leader penetrating, making shots and changing the game until our outside shots started to fall. Was not afraid to take over.
Jamil is a Senior leader, he's just not the leader many want him to be. That's unfair IMO. He is a good player, a good guy, and a good leader, but he isn't going to put the team on his back and carry them to victory. That's just not who he is. If any of us can't accept that, then that's our problem not his.
Quote from: willie warrior on November 25, 2013, 10:26:38 PM
He did not look good, and did not play his ass off. 5-15 shooting, some stupid fouls, and 0-4 in the last two minutes. Nuff said
Wee Willie is on board with the Jamil bashing. 'Nuff said.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on November 25, 2013, 10:34:22 PM
Totally agree. I mean, he was on the bench for the last play of the game! Some leader! Rabblerabblerabblerabble
You may not have known that he fouled out of the game.
Quote from: LittleMurs on November 25, 2013, 10:52:57 PM
You may not have known that he fouled out of the game.
Knew I shoulda used teal
Quote from: marquette20 on November 25, 2013, 10:34:32 PM
Jamil is what kept the game reachable at the start. He did not finish well down the stretch but he had a great game. The is learning to be the leader we need. Tonight, he looked like he can fill the role. Derrick Wilson also played extremely well and looks like he can be a secondary leader.
This.
Quote from: newsdrms on November 25, 2013, 10:47:46 PM
Jamil was not Buzz on the court, had 3 dumb, unnecessary fouls that ended limiting his play. As for Derrick it was not just playing a good game. He played the PG as a leader penetrating, making shots and changing the game until our outside shots started to fall. Was not afraid to take over.
If you were really paying attention, he was telling the younger players where to be, and what to do. Like I said, it is more than performance. It is more than staying out of foul trouble. His stats don't display what he did tonight.
Quote from: MUSF on November 25, 2013, 10:48:53 PM
Jamil is a Senior leader, he's just not the leader many want him to be. That's unfair IMO. He is a good player, a good guy, and a good leader, but he isn't going to put the team on his back and carry them to victory. That's just not who he is. If any of us can't accept that, then that's our problem not his.
Do not disagree with most of what you say, but to be a leader on a team you must be willing to carry the team on your back and carry them to victory or defeat. But you must be the guy and take the good with the bad. Nothing against Jamil, really like him as a person from what I can see. But not a team leader.
Jamil was fine. played a pretty steady game and was called on at times to guard the big commie besides score. Had they not shot lights out the whole game we would have won. I am proud of the composure and the way we played, Hope a lot of ASU people gave the points and lost money.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on November 25, 2013, 10:56:06 PM
If you were really paying attention, he was telling the younger players where to be, and what to do. Like I said, it is more than performance. It is more than staying out of foul trouble. His stats don't display what he did tonight.
Not only Jamil, but Davante, Derrick, and even Thomas did it. Buzz knew that without Mayo, freshmen would play more minutes and probably told the upper classmen to be vocal with them.
Quote from: newsdrms on November 25, 2013, 11:00:59 PM
Not only Jamil, but Davante, Derrick, and even Thomas did it. Buzz knew that without Mayo, freshmen would play more minutes and probably told the upper classmen to be vocal with them.
Fair enough, and I can only see what the cameras show me.
Quote from: elephantraker on November 25, 2013, 11:00:25 PM
Jamil was fine. played a pretty steady game and was called on at times to guard the big commie besides score. Had they not shot lights out the whole game we would have won. I am proud of the composure and the way we played, Hope a lot of ASU people gave the points and lost money.
They didn't really shoot the lights out the whole game. They shot the lights out in the beginning, but after that pretty standard stuff. If OSU played their normal game a couple weeks ago, we would have lost by 30 or 40. We're still not a very good team. We needed some lights out shooting to get back in the game and some lucky breaks, and we still failed to execute down the stretch. Just telling it like it is.
I think Jamil looked great tonight. He came out firey...which is something that I have rarely seen for him. We wouldn't even be in this game if not for him.
I saw a lot of leadership from a lot of guys tonight. I don't know what Buzz said, but the team had a completely different feel. Felt like they wanted it more.
Quote from: nyg on November 25, 2013, 10:20:14 PM
Tough loss, but Jamil needs to look in the mirror and say enough is enough. He went 5 for 15, and missed his last five shots coming back off the bench with like three minutes to go. Foul trouble all game.
This team needs him and if his play stays like this, it may be a long season.
Frankly, Jamil Wilson was every bit a leader tonight. One should not confuse shooting proficiency with leadership.
It must be wonderful being so perfect that you can throw stones at a young man who led his team on the court tonight. Makes me wonder how you define leadership.
Quote from: LittleMurs on November 25, 2013, 10:51:55 PM
Wee Willie is on board with the Jamil bashing. 'Nuff said.
Just the facts--you must have missed the game. Nuff said.
Quote from: keefe on November 26, 2013, 04:58:42 AM
Frankly, Jamil Wilson was every bit a leader tonight. One should not confuse shooting proficiency with leadership.
Exactly!
Quote from: elephantraker on November 25, 2013, 11:00:25 PM
Jamil was fine. played a pretty steady game and was called on at times to guard the big commie besides score. Had they not shot lights out the whole game we would have won. I am proud of the composure and the way we played, Hope a lot of ASU people gave the points and lost money.
I've seen seveal comments like this about how ASU shot "lights out" from 3 point range.
On the season, their 3 point average is 40.9%. Last night they shot 10-22 or 45.5%.
If they only hit 40.9% of their threes, they would have been 9-22--only one made shot above average.
Yes, that could have been in the margin of the game, but its not like they had some amazing hot streak last night--they shot pretty close to average.
Quote from: The Equalizer on November 26, 2013, 09:32:05 AM
I've seen seveal comments like this about how ASU shot "lights out" from 3 point range.
On the season, their 3 point average is 40.9%. Last night they shot 10-22 or 45.5%.
If they only hit 40.9% of their threes, they would have been 9-22--only one made shot above average.
Yes, that could have been in the margin of the game, but its not like they had some amazing hot streak last night--they shot pretty close to average.
The bigger factor in the game was our improved shooting, not theirs. If Jake doesn't suddenly get hot, we lose by plenty.
Quote from: The Equalizer on November 26, 2013, 09:32:05 AM
I've seen seveal comments like this about how ASU shot "lights out" from 3 point range.
On the season, their 3 point average is 40.9%. Last night they shot 10-22 or 45.5%.
If they only hit 40.9% of their threes, they would have been 9-22--only one made shot above average.
Yes, that could have been in the margin of the game, but its not like they had some amazing hot streak last night--they shot pretty close to average.
Agreed, but they racked up that 40% average against 1 top 75 defense, 1 top 150, and 3 outside of the top 200. Last night they were playing a top 5 defense. If you adjust for defense, they were shooting the lights out.