sounds about right, based on our last two games.
unless a dramatically improved offense and improved effort level from Thursday happens, I don't see covering the spread. ASU can score, MU has not shown they can so far...
I also don't believe ASU has played a top 100 defense yet.
Quote from: ecompt on November 25, 2013, 08:39:35 AM
sounds about right, based on our last two games.
Until I see proof otherwise I'm taking the under and giving the points
Quote from: mu03eng on November 25, 2013, 09:16:56 AM
Until I see proof otherwise I'm taking the under and giving the points
Yep. I know we've been rough early in previous years, but this feels different. It's not like shots are rimming out. Although confidence is such a big part of the game, especially shooting, it can change quickly.
Sounds about right. Im nervous for tonight, ASU is good.
What worries me a bit are the new rules relating to hand contact on defense. Hurts us, favors a free-wheeling offense like ASU's, they're at home, and not sure about our confidence at this point. Although it should be said that road games often provide a salve to shooting pathology (just something I've noticed over the years - not sure why). That said, don't agree with the point spread, but who knows...I think it's a close game with ASU getting the edge...
I hate to say it but ASU will win, easily.
Quote from: madtownwarrior on November 25, 2013, 09:06:02 AM
unless a dramatically improved offense and improved effort level from Thursday happens, I don't see covering the spread. ASU can score, MU has not shown they can so far...
I would not touch this game. I am very curious to see if Buzz will make any adjustments to his rotations tonight.
NCAA Rankings
Strength of Schedule: ASU-248 MU-264 (OSU game must be negated by cupcakes)
Points per game: ASU 41 - MU 288
Shooting %: ASU 67 - MU 331 (of 351)
My head says lay the points with ASU. If we removed the team names and saw team A was at home and only laying 6.5-7.0 points to team B it would be an easy bet. My heart says Buzz will make adjustments and MU will come out of this shooting slump. This is why I don't bet on my alma mater's games! If PG Jahii Carson goes nuts it will be a long night. GO MARQUETTE!
MU: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/269/marquette-golden-eagles
ASU: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/9/arizona-state-sun-devils
SOS: http://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/ranking/strength-of-schedule-by-team
Line has moved asu -7.5
Doesn't surprise me.
I am excited to watch this game. We will see if Buzz has made any big changes. I hope to God that don't get embarassed, but regardless im interested to see what happens tonight. I also want to see how good Jahii Carson is.
Hopefully we can pull it off.
FWIW - The UNLV announcers said Jahii Carson reminded them of Isaiah Thomas from U. of Washington.
Quote from: Clam Crowder on November 25, 2013, 10:28:27 AM
I am excited to watch this game. We will see if Buzz has made any big changes. I hope to God that don't get embarassed, but regardless im interested to see what happens tonight. I also want to see how good Jahii Carson is.
Hopefully we can pull it off.
If Buzz does not make some adjustments, we could be starting a really ugly week for the Warriors.
Quote from: 79Warrior on November 25, 2013, 10:34:15 AM
If Buzz does not make some adjustments, we could be starting a really ugly week for the Warriors.
On the positive side, I do think our defense will hold ASU below season averages and will at least contain Carson....they question is will the offense come up enough to make it competitive.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on November 25, 2013, 09:07:39 AM
I also don't believe ASU has played a top 100 defense yet.
They have. UNLV is ranked 73 but I personally think that is high for them. They have also played Bradley, currently at 144. The rest are all outside the top 200.
We are top 5. They won't be able to put up the same numbers against us.
Worried about ASU three pointers
I like that 7.5 number for MU.
MU just doesn't give up many points. It'll be hard to beat them by 8+.
Final score might be 55-48.
What's wrong with you Warriors? Before the season started, everyone and their mother was picking this game as either a W or our "annual surprise road loss." We start 3-1, where the 1 is against a top 10 team, and all of the sudden we think this game is unwinnable? Ye of little faith!
We have a VERY GOOD TEAM!!! Yes our offense has struggled in the first few games, but we have a terrorizing defense. I know we all like watching offensive juggernauts, but that is not our team. We are going to make them work for every basket they score. They will be lucky to shoot 30% from the floor. We will never blow anyone out, but we will grind out wins. That is just as good as blowing them out. A win is a win is a win. Doesn't matter how we do it.
I'm thinking that Jordan Bachynski is the key. If we get the ball inside, and cause him to get into foul trouble, we're in good shape.
By now, all of MU's defenders know that Carson is uncomfortable going to his left. That can be used to limit his effectiveness.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 25, 2013, 10:50:22 AM
What's wrong with you Warriors? ...
We have a VERY GOOD TEAM!!! ...
I think the concern is that if we play like we did against Southern, Ohio State or New Hampshire, we will most certainly lose this game, and lose it comfortably. I don't know what to make of the Grambling game, since the oppponent was so poor. So to win this game we will have to demonstrate a level of basketball well above what we have shown so far. I'm not saying that is impossible or even unlikely, but you won't get rich betting on the hope that a particular team will play their best game of the season.
Ignore our opening games. Buzz will have a game plan to kick some ASU AS#
Pomeroy has MU losing by 7 with a 21% chance of pulling out a win. A total matchup of polar opposites. If MU can get lucky and finally hit some early shots, then it will be close. I suspect Buzz throws a lot of looks at Carson (man, zone, 3 quarters, both Wilson's, Todd) to slow him down...because if you stop him, you stop ASU.
This is one game I wish MU still had McKay and DuWilson to run and stretch the court if MU gets down early.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 25, 2013, 10:50:22 AM
What's wrong with you Warriors? Before the season started, everyone and their mother was picking this game as either a W or our "annual surprise road loss." We start 3-1, where the 1 is against a top 10 team, and all of the sudden we think this game is unwinnable? Ye of little faith!
We have a VERY GOOD TEAM!!! Yes our offense has struggled in the first few games, but we have a terrorizing defense. I know we all like watching offensive juggernauts, but that is not our team. We are going to make them work for every basket they score. They will be lucky to shoot 30% from the floor. We will never blow anyone out, but we will grind out wins. That is just as good as blowing them out. A win is a win is a win. Doesn't matter how we do it.
Here's my concern, I still don't know if the roughly early start is a factor of bad shooting or a fundamental flaw in the team. If it's a case of just "bad luck" on shots then I think we could definitely win, but if it is something wrong with the offense, no matter how good our defense is I don't know that we can score enough to keep up.
Heres how I think the lineup should be tonight.
PG: De Wilson
SG: Todd
SF: Jamil
PF: Stevie Jr.
C: Otule
However, I honestly think Juan should come of the bench for Derek. I actually think Juan could run the point he has some handles.
Quote from: VegasWarrior77 on November 25, 2013, 10:26:13 AM
NCAA Rankings
Strength of Schedule: ASU-248 MU-264 (OSU game must be negated by cupcakes)
Points per game: ASU 41 - MU 288
Shooting %: ASU 67 - MU 331 (of 351)
My head says lay the points with ASU. If we removed the team names and saw team A was at home and only laying 6.5-7.0 points to team B it would be an easy bet. My heart says Buzz will make adjustments and MU will come out of this shooting slump. This is why I don't bet on my alma mater's games! If PG Jahii Carson goes nuts it will be a long night. GO MARQUETTE!
MU: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/269/marquette-golden-eagles
ASU: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/9/arizona-state-sun-devils
SOS: http://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/ranking/strength-of-schedule-by-team
Excellent info here, and intelligent comment -- especially the part about not betting for or against the alma mater!
Quote from: CTWarrior on November 25, 2013, 11:16:54 AM
I think the concern is that if we play like we did against Southern, Ohio State or New Hampshire, we will most certainly lose this game, and lose it comfortably. I don't know what to make of the Grambling game, since the oppponent was so poor. So to win this game we will have to demonstrate a level of basketball well above what we have shown so far. I'm not saying that is impossible or even unlikely, but you won't get rich betting on the hope that a particular team will play their best game of the season.
Yep.
It's fine to hope for the best -- and I'm doing just that -- but betting as if the best will happen is a good way to lose money.
Haven't seen the first half line yet, but my guess is it'll be ASU -3 or -3.5. That's where I'll be putting my money.
ASU isn't good. Easy money. Don't often bet on MU, but this one requires a full draw on your credit capacity. Bet everything on MU. Easy $$.
Why Dish?? Tied with osu at half--lost by 17.
Up 7 vs UNH lost 2nd half won by 5. If betting on asu by half you may want the second half.
Quote from: We R Final Four on November 25, 2013, 01:29:08 PM
Why Dish?? Tied with osu at half--lost by 17.
Up 7 vs UNH lost 2nd half won by 5. If betting on asu by half you may want the second half.
How many of those games were outside Milwaukee?
Quote from: MU82 on November 25, 2013, 11:43:37 AM
Excellent info here, and intelligent comment -- especially the part about not betting for or against the alma mater!
Thanks MU82 - I just want MU to win every game regardless of how they do it. I'm a numbers guy and love watching the "Vegas Market". I save my gambling for our financial markets! They may actually be riskier!
Quote from: MUDish on November 25, 2013, 12:56:56 PM
Haven't seen the first half line yet, but my guess is it'll be ASU -3 or -3.5. That's where I'll be putting my money.
1st half line consensus is ASU -3.5 While I typed they added an over/under of 64.5 - interesting!
http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-basketball/odds/las-vegas/first-half/
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 25, 2013, 01:28:39 PM
ASU isn't good. Easy money. Don't often bet on MU, but this one requires a full draw on your credit capacity. Bet everything on MU. Easy $$.
JayBee, I watched ASU against Vegas, they have a real scoring point, can score, at home, every team shoots the ball at home better, except MU, but I believe MU plays all there games away since they barely practice at the Bradley Center, so what do you see that I do not, I see the exact opposite.
Quote from: VegasWarrior77 on November 25, 2013, 01:32:12 PM
I save my gambling for our financial markets! They may actually be riskier!
There is always a tomorrow in the equity markets. Sports bets have a much more limited shelf life.
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 25, 2013, 01:28:39 PM
ASU isn't good. Easy money. Don't often bet on MU, but this one requires a full draw on your credit capacity. Bet everything on MU. Easy $$.
Wish I had your confidence. I have a feeling we lose by 10
Quote from: keefe on November 25, 2013, 02:01:01 PM
There is always a tomorrow in the equity markets. Sports bets have a much more limited shelf life.
+1
Quote from: MUDish on November 25, 2013, 01:31:38 PM
How many of those games were outside Milwaukee?
Neither-- so the lights will be too bright for the boys and we pee ourselves in the first 20?
Quote from: BCHoopster on November 25, 2013, 01:57:39 PM
JayBee, I watched ASU against Vegas, they have a real scoring point, can score, at home, every team shoots the ball at home better, except MU, but I believe MU plays all there games away since they barely practice at the Bradley Center, so what do you see that I do not, I see the exact opposite.
This
Would be a seller at +6.5. Could be good thing fo Warriors because my track record when betting on games was not high.
Watching this Marquette team reminds me of the 99 team. Horrible
Quote from: BCHoopster on November 25, 2013, 01:57:39 PM
JayBee, I watched ASU against Vegas, they have a real scoring point, can score, at home, every team shoots the ball at home better, except MU, but I believe MU plays all there games away since they barely practice at the Bradley Center, so what do you see that I do not, I see the exact opposite.
I see $$$$.
Quote from: BCHoopster on November 25, 2013, 01:57:39 PM
JayBee, I watched ASU against Vegas, they have a real scoring point, can score, at home, every team shoots the ball at home better, except MU, but I believe MU plays all there games away since they barely practice at the Bradley Center, so what do you see that I do not, I see the exact opposite.
Isn't the court at the Al McGuire an exact duplicate of the BC?