I'm not a guy who is prone to hyperbole. I'm just trying to recall a less-imposing, less-effective, less-skilled, less-productive starting backcourt in Warrior Land.
And I'm drawing a blank.
Even most of our mediocre or bad teams over the years had a guard who could knock down a shot or take his guy off the dribble.
Thomas and DeWilson were far from the only reasons we lost this game, but everything in college hoops starts with the backcourt. It's impossible to beat a good team (or even a decent one) when you have no production -- and not even a threat of production -- from guards who combined to play 67 minutes.
Marcus Jackson started point guard for us...
Quote from: MU82 on November 16, 2013, 04:30:27 PM
I'm not a guy who is prone to hyperbole. I'm just trying to recall a less-imposing, less-effective, less-skilled, less-productive starting backcourt in Warrior Land.
And I'm drawing a blank.
Even most of our mediocre or bad teams over the years had a guard who could knock down a shot or take his guy off the dribble.
Thomas and DeWilson were far from the only reasons we lost this game, but everything in college hoops starts with the backcourt. It's impossible to beat a good team (or even a decent one) when you have no production -- and not even a threat of production -- from guards who combined to play 67 minutes.
Since Fitz was taking the ball up during the TC era?
Marcus Jackson and Joe Chapman? If not then, one of the Dukiet combos before Tony Smith got good?
Quote from: tower912 on November 16, 2013, 04:41:51 PM
Marcus Jackson and Joe Chapman? If not then, one of the Dukiet combos before Tony Smith got good?
See, we're already starting to scrape the bottom of the barrel pretty good ... and I don't think any of those teams were picked to win the conference championship.
I agree that our backcourt is not a strength this year. However, lets not pretend the frontcourt was amazing today:
6-22 from the field. 0-5 from 3pt. 11 of the 20 turnovers (despite not being ball handlers).
An overall pathetic performance from EVERYONE. Gardner was the only player who did not hurt us today. And even he has had much better games.
JT and De Wilson wouldnt even start for Grambling. Yea I said it.
Quote from: Dreadman24 on November 16, 2013, 06:18:21 PM
JT and De Wilson wouldnt even start for Grambling. Yea I said it.
You said it. That doesn't mean it has any connection to reality, but you sure said it.
I'm not for sure Jake Thomas fits the Gramblin' culture.
Quote from: MU82 on November 16, 2013, 04:30:27 PM
I'm not a guy who is prone to hyperbole. I'm just trying to recall a less-imposing, less-effective, less-skilled, less-productive starting backcourt in Warrior Land.
And I'm drawing a blank.
Even most of our mediocre or bad teams over the years had a guard who could knock down a shot or take his guy off the dribble.
Thomas and DeWilson were far from the only reasons we lost this game, but everything in college hoops starts with the backcourt. It's impossible to beat a good team (or even a decent one) when you have no production -- and not even a threat of production -- from guards who combined to play 67 minutes.
But at least they each took more shots than Gardner :-\
I'm surprised Anthony Candelino's name has not been mentioned in this thread yet.
Quote from: Norm on November 16, 2013, 09:41:08 PM
I'm surprised Anthony Candelino's name has not been mentioned in this thread yet.
It's a much younger crowd here, Norm.
Think 1990+
I recall being a little uncertain when Acker and Cubillian comPrised our starting backcourt, but they really overachieved and we made the tournament in what in thought would be a rebuilding year. That was one of my favorite MU teams, perhaps bc my expectations were so low to start with. Every game was close, and every conference win seemed critical. "Team Bubble Watch" reversed the ball fast on the perimeter and shot 3's at a high percentage. Hopefully this years backcourt finds their stride like cuby and mo did. Hopefully they build with each game as buycks did (and continues to do). Fingers crossed here and hoping for the best.
Norm,
Right on. Worst backcourt since Dukiet's final year. Not bashing the guys, just stating the obvious.
Quote from: Dreadman24 on November 16, 2013, 06:18:21 PM
JT and De Wilson wouldnt even start for Grambling. Yea I said it.
Pretty sure Jake Thomas wouldn't start for any SWAC team.
Quote from: MUMBA on November 17, 2013, 10:12:42 AM
I recall being a little uncertain when Acker and Cubillian comPrised our starting backcourt, but they really overachieved and we made the tournament in what in thought would be a rebuilding year. That was one of my favorite MU teams, perhaps bc my expectations were so low to start with. Every game was close, and every conference win seemed critical. "Team Bubble Watch" reversed the ball fast on the perimeter and shot 3's at a high percentage. Hopefully this years backcourt finds their stride like cuby and mo did. Hopefully they build with each game as buycks did (and continues to do). Fingers crossed here and hoping for the best.
3's? What are those? I vaguely remember what 3-pointers look like. I hear we hit a few big ones against Davidson in the NCAAs, but it's such a foggy memory now ...
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 17, 2013, 10:38:02 AM
Pretty sure Jake Thomas wouldn't start for any SWAC team.
yea the skin color I get it! But u all know what I mean! Maybe I should of said a naia team
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 17, 2013, 10:38:02 AM
Pretty sure Jake Thomas wouldn't start for any SWAC team.
Well the guy started on a Summit league team so I'm confident he'd start on a SWAC team.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on November 17, 2013, 04:38:43 PM
Well the guy started on a Summit league team so I'm confident he'd start on a SWAC team.
You clearly didn't get my comment.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 17, 2013, 04:44:32 PM
You clearly didn't get my comment.
Nope must've been all sorts of over my head.
Worst starting backcourt at Marquette in ... how long?
and the correct answer is:
Since this time last year.
Quote from: LittleMurs on November 17, 2013, 10:11:30 PM
Worst starting backcourt at Marquette in ... how long?
and the correct answer is:
Since this time last year.
Ridiculous.
Junior went into last year having already made numerous contributions to Marquette's success. He was inconsistent as a soph and junior, but we had evidence that he could be a top-half-of-the-BE point guard.
Vander was frustrating his first two years in the program but he showed great athletic ability and also had some nice games. In his third game of his third season, he lit up Butler and showed the first signs of him being a different, more reliable, more effective player.
Now, compare that to Derrick Wilson, who has shown nothing, and Jake Thomas, who has shown less than nothing.
Please.
I am not a crazy, sky-is-falling kind of guy, and my history proves it. What I am is a fact-based guy. And the facts support a major cause for concern about our backcourt this season.
Quote from: MU82 on November 17, 2013, 10:17:07 PM
Now, compare that to Derrick Wilson, who has shown nothing, and Jake Thomas, who has shown less than nothing.
Please.
I am not a crazy, sky-is-falling kind of guy, and my history proves it. What I am is a fact-based guy. And the facts support a major cause for concern about our backcourt this season.
You're absolutely right, 82.
I see a lot of people clinging to optimism that they'll improve as the year goes on. And I'm sure they will. But their respective starting points are so far behind a starting, high-major level. I'm not sure MU can afford to wait on them to come around, because there's a good chance they won't.
Quote from: MUfan12 on November 17, 2013, 10:21:18 PM
You're absolutely right, 82.
I see a lot of people clinging to optimism that they'll improve as the year goes on. And I'm sure they will. But their respective starting points are so far behind a starting, high-major level. I'm not sure MU can afford to wait on them to come around, because there's a good chance they won't.
This is the sentiment that gets ignored the most by many in this forum. People can cling to optimism, can cling to Buzz getting a team better, can cling to horrible losses in every year he's been coach that didn't derail a season. But clinging to hope on Wilson/Thomas suddenly turning it around to the point of being, at the least, a serviceable high major backcourt seems unrealistic.
Wilson is what Wilson is. I like his game but not for 38 minutes and not when one of his "stars" was pathetic. Thomas is just horrendous. I understand people get sensitive and lovey-dovey when it comes to Thomas but it's cringeworthy that he's a starting guard for Marquette. Under a different coach, there would be foaming at the mouth on this development.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on November 18, 2013, 09:03:25 AM
Thomas is just horrendous. I understand people get sensitive and lovey-dovey when it comes to Thomas but it's cringeworthy that he's a starting guard for Marquette. Under a different coach, there would be foaming at the mouth on this development.
I think there is some middle ground here. I agree that preferably Thomas only averages 15 minutes a game or so. Hopefully, between the other guards on the roster this can happen. I do disagree with the "horrendous" comment however. Unless by horrendous you mean he should average 15 minutes a game.
I think he has a role on this team but that role should not be 25-30 minutes a game in the long run. Buzz clearly thinks he is good enough right now to warrant those minutes so the freshmen are not coming around as fast as hoped.
We will just have to trust that a proven coach knows what he is doing than a bunch of posters on this board.
If this is the best starting defensive backcourt at Marquette in ... how long, does that offset some of the offensive problems?
Let's not over-react here.
Last year, we had the Florida game. We stank that day!
The year before, we had a Florida game. As I recall, we stank then too! Oh, and don't forget the LSU game at Baton Rouge. We really stank there too!
And who could forget the Vanderbilt game in Milwaukee. We didn't hit crapola that night.
Folks, as you may recall, there was a not a shortage of tournament games in any of these years. We had bad games. We will have bad games again. We're dealing with college students and somedays, our guys don't have it.
Add to the fact that a bunch of these fellows are freshmen.
I suspect there is some really deep soul searching going on at the "Al" this week. Not to mention some changes and re-commitment to Marquette-style basketball. I suspect apologizing on the Marquette Radio post-game show is not something Buzz wants to do again!
Very true. Buzz isn't a miracle worker, who can suddenly transform Derrick and Jake into a backcourt that can compete at the highest level. I don't hold out much hope for Mayo either; he's never been more than a wildly inconsistent chucker.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on November 18, 2013, 09:13:24 AM
I think there is some middle ground here. I agree that preferably Thomas only averages 15 minutes a game or so. Hopefully, between the other guards on the roster this can happen. I do disagree with the "horrendous" comment however. Unless by horrendous you mean he should average 15 minutes a game.
I think he has a role on this team but that role should not be 25-30 minutes a game in the long run. Buzz clearly thinks he is good enough right now to warrant those minutes so the freshmen are not coming around as fast as hoped.
We will just have to trust that a proven coach knows what he is doing than a bunch of posters on this board.
Thomas should get no more than 8 minutes--unless he starts draining some 3's.
If Derrick Wilson and Jake Thomas were the starting backcourt at Wisconsin, Notre Dame, etc., this board would be ripping them apart. No one would be backing them in any light, trying to justify their existence as a starting Division I backcourt. But they play at MU and loyalty to the players is sometimes an overwhelming issue to overcome.
Jake is still one of our better defenders on the court. And yes, he had an awful game but he is coming off a great game against Grambling. And yes, it was against Grambling but 3/5 from 3 is still pretty good. Jake has a good stroke, I honestly believe that this is a complete mental thing for him. He just needs a few more games like he had against Grambling to get his confidence up.
However, even though I am defending Jake and I like Derrick, I do agree that this is one of the least talented backcourts we have had in awhile. I however remain optimistic that they will figure out a flow that will work for this team
Quote from: nyg on November 18, 2013, 11:17:19 AM
If Derrick Wilson and Jake Thomas were the starting backcourt at Wisconsin, Notre Dame, etc., this board would be ripping them apart. No one would be backing them in any light, trying to justify their existence as a starting Division I backcourt. But they play at MU and loyalty to the players is sometimes an overwhelming issue to overcome.
You are saying
this as if it is a bad thing? Why the hell else would you give a rip about the team and consistently root for them other than loyalty to the team, and by extension the players?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 18, 2013, 05:37:45 PM
Jake is still one of our better defenders on the court. And yes, he had an awful game but he is coming off a great game against Grambling. And yes, it was against Grambling but 3/5 from 3 is still pretty good. Jake has a good stroke, I honestly believe that this is a complete mental thing for him. He just needs a few more games like he had against Grambling to get his confidence up.
However, even though I am defending Jake and I like Derrick, I do agree that this is one of the least talented backcourts we have had in awhile. I however remain optimistic that they will figure out a flow that will work for this team
Truly it is one of the worst backcourts in 50 years, only year that might be worse was when Diener got hurt. I say nothing against those players, they are what they are. If you want
to blame anybody blame the coach for recruiting those kids. Derrick can not shot the ball, how do you recruit that type of player. Jake is a transfer, from Milwuakee, a walk-on who was
very lucky to get a three year scholarship, they needed one minority on the team. He was worth the risk. But he really is a walk-on, it shows how Vander left a whole on this team.
They will get better. But it is time to show those kids the bench, and work with the underclassmen. Would they have done worse, I doubt it. My daughter played 3rd singles at Nicolet her
freshman year, and at that time they only took 6 kids to state. I asked the coach if she was one of the six, and he said yes. He put the 2nd singles and her together to play doubles,
played 3 weeks together and finished second in state. Buzz needs to that as well. See how the 2nd team will do. Is Buzz to stubborn, we will see in the next few weeks. To bad, Duane Wilson got hurt, should put the ball in his hands and sink or swim with him, much like TC gave the ball to Dominic James.
Quote from: BCHoopster on November 18, 2013, 05:47:07 PM
Truly it is one of the worst backcourts in 50 years, only year that might be worse was when Diener got hurt. I say nothing against those players, they are what they are. If you want
to blame anybody blame the coach for recruiting those kids. Derrick can not shot the ball, how do you recruit that type of player. Jake is a transfer, from Milwuakee, a walk-on who was
very lucky to get a three year scholarship, they needed one minority on the team. He was worth the risk. But he really is a walk-on, it shows how Vander left a whole on this team.
They will get better. But it is time to show those kids the bench, and work with the underclassmen. Would they have done worse, I doubt it. My daughter played 3rd singles at Nicolet her
freshman year, and at that time they only took 6 kids to state. I asked the coach if she was one of the six, and he said yes. He put the 2nd singles and her together to play doubles,
played 3 weeks together and finished second in state. Buzz needs to that as well. See how the 2nd team will do. Is Buzz to stubborn, we will see in the next few weeks. To bad, Duane Wilson got hurt, should put the ball in his hands and sink or swim with him, much like TC gave the ball to Dominic James.
Well said
I remember when Bart Miller ran the point. It didn't last long though. I hate to say that because Bart's a great guy, but like Jake, he simply wasn't good enough to play at that level. Derrick and Jake are serviceable back-ups that hustle and play defense. But if they are going to get major minutes, our upside is fairly limited. They are not going to suddenly take drastic steps forward and become scorers. Really wish we had redshirted Cadougan that first year when he was hurt.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on November 18, 2013, 09:03:25 AM
This is the sentiment that gets ignored the most by many in this forum. People can cling to optimism, can cling to Buzz getting a team better, can cling to horrible losses in every year he's been coach that didn't derail a season. But clinging to hope on Wilson/Thomas suddenly turning it around to the point of being, at the least, a serviceable high major backcourt seems unrealistic.
Wilson is what Wilson is. I like his game but not for 38 minutes and not when one of his "stars" was pathetic. Thomas is just horrendous. I understand people get sensitive and lovey-dovey when it comes to Thomas but it's cringeworthy that he's a starting guard for Marquette. Under a different coach, there would be foaming at the mouth on this development.
I am not clinging to Jake ands DeWil. I am going with history. BUzz has always figured out what needs to be done.....playing a different lineup, or coaching up the guys who are playing. I don't care which he does. Doubt if many others do either.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 18, 2013, 09:14:50 AM
If this is the best starting defensive backcourt at Marquette in ... how long, does that offset some of the offensive problems?
It doesn't. Fans care about points, baby! If MU lost to OSU 92-75, there wouldn't be nearly the angst on this board.
Derek Wilson and JT starts and plays SIGNIFICANT minutes. Is Buzz pranking us? Those that are ok with this is lying to yourselves. We are not UWM we are MARQUETTE. As fans we deserve better!
Quote from: nyg on November 18, 2013, 11:17:19 AM
If Derrick Wilson and Jake Thomas were the starting backcourt at Wisconsin, Notre Dame, etc., this board would be ripping them apart. No one would be backing them in any light, trying to justify their existence as a starting Division I backcourt. But they play at MU and loyalty to the players is sometimes an overwhelming issue to overcome.
I actually think Jake would be a better player at Wisconsin, because his game fits their style better. They like to shoot threes and Bo coaches his players to be set to shoot the three. Buzz's offense is not designed around the three. How many times have we seen Thomas have an open shot and look to pass first. Late in the last game Thomas had an open shot, but drove instead and turned the ball over. Notre Dame also sets picks for their three point shooters. I half suspect that if Thomas was starting at either of those schools, we would be saying why can we not get a white guy that can shoot like that.
Thomas cannot make threes.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on November 19, 2013, 11:09:18 AM
It doesn't. Fans care about points, baby! If MU lost to OSU 92-75, there wouldn't be nearly the angst on this board.
Sad, but I suspect true. Not sure anyone will be very happy that this year's team will likely succeed in a fashion more similar to what we are used to from Wisconsin.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on November 19, 2013, 11:40:44 AM
Thomas cannot make threes.
Went 3/5 against Grambling and tied the single game three point record when he was at South Dakota. He can hit threes. Just needs to find his confidence at this level
Quote from: Dreadman24 on November 19, 2013, 11:18:56 AM
Derek Wilson and JT starts and plays SIGNIFICANT minutes. Is Buzz pranking us? Those that are ok with this is lying to yourselves. We are not UWM we are MARQUETTE. As fans we deserve better!
-100 (if we can give +s we can give -s right?)
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 19, 2013, 01:19:11 PM
-100 (if we can give +s we can give -s right?)
*scratches head* waiting for the next joke..
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 19, 2013, 01:17:25 PM
Went 3/5 against Grambling and tied the single game three point record when he was at South Dakota. He can hit threes. Just needs to find his confidence at this level
I agree with this. Watch the Grambling game and then watch the others where he is missing. The big difference, how the shot is set up.
Everyone is harping on Thomas for not hitting the shots. Saying he is not a game time shooter. Although he has struggled, what most forget is that shooting is as much how it is set up as it is for the shooter knocking it in.
Our team is horrible at passing (both last year and this year). Passes are not accurate and not hitting the shooter in a position where he can immediately go up for a shot in rhythm. Shooters make shots because of repetition, when the pass is off, the shot will be off.
If you want to see our guys start knocking more shots down in games, we need our players to provide crisp, accurate passes that land already in the shooting pocket.
We rush our passes too much by starting to run towards where they are going next before completing the pass. Its like a receiver in football taking his eyes off the ball to look downfield. Fix the passes and the shots will start going in.
Quote from: Dreadman24 on November 19, 2013, 01:39:31 PM
*scratches head* waiting for the next joke..
Wasn't a joke. Just stating that I thought your comment was unintelligent
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on November 19, 2013, 11:09:18 AM
It doesn't. Fans care about points, baby! If MU lost to OSU 92-75, there wouldn't be nearly the angst on this board.
Fans care about seeing potential. Scoring points is not related, which is why Wisconsin basketball fans have been jumping over the moon for the past 15 years.
The performance put in by Marquette on Saturday raised questions about offensive continuity, team personality, personnel roles, overall preparedness, and future development. The spirited discussion in the wake of that performance has not only been expected but entirely justified.
In the end of this grand bargain of crap regurgitation we call MU Scoop, the crowd of those who act so nonchalantly toward dreadful performances in order to feel some sense of superiority in their pointless existences is no worse than those who find fault in Marquette losing the opening tip of games.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on November 19, 2013, 02:51:59 PM
Wasn't a joke. Just stating that I thought your comment was unintelligent
ok
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on November 19, 2013, 02:54:47 PM
Fans care about seeing potential. Scoring points is not related, which is why Wisconsin basketball fans have been jumping over the moon for the past 15 years.
The performance put in by Marquette on Saturday raised questions about offensive continuity, team personality, personnel roles, overall preparedness, and future development. The spirited discussion in the wake of that performance has not only been expected but entirely justified.
In the end of this grand bargain of crap regurgitation we call MU Scoop, the crowd of those who act so nonchalantly toward dreadful performances in order to feel some sense of superiority in their pointless existences is no worse than those who find fault in Marquette losing the opening tip of games.
Remember Florida last season? 10 days later, MU beat Wisconsin. Remember UWGB last season? MU won 8 of their next 9 before losing an ugly game to Louisville. How did they respond to that one? By winning 8 of 10 to finish the regular season and win a share of the Big East title.
While I appreciate your overreaction and condescension, this isn't the first or last time that Marquette will lose an ugly game.
Looking back after a couple of days I think this was the worst game I can remember a MU team playing since a home loss to ND during Dukiet era. That team had excuse because had no players.
Quote from: forgetful on November 19, 2013, 01:55:21 PM
If you want to see our guys start knocking more shots down in games, we need our players to provide crisp, accurate passes that land already in the shooting pocket.
I'd be content to see more of our passes land with a teammate.
People talk about assist / turnover ratio. Ours was 1/5 in that game. Ever heard of field goals / turnovers ratio? Me neither. But ours was 1/2 in that game. Just think about that.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on November 19, 2013, 02:54:47 PM
Fans care about seeing potential. Scoring points is not related, which is why Wisconsin basketball fans have been jumping over the moon for the past 15 years.
The performance put in by Marquette on Saturday raised questions about offensive continuity, team personality, personnel roles, overall preparedness, and future development. The spirited discussion in the wake of that performance has not only been expected but entirely justified.
In the end of this grand bargain of crap regurgitation we call MU Scoop, the crowd of those who act so nonchalantly toward dreadful performances in order to feel some sense of superiority in their pointless existences is no worse than those who find fault in Marquette losing the opening tip of games.
And the same could be said after Florida, Vandy, Dayton, DePaul, LSU, UWGB. Scoopers lost their minds. The seasons turned out OK. Choosing to not panic based on past performance is not a character flaw. IMO, flying off of the handle after every loss is. Granted, this was an ugly one. But it is one. In November.
Quote from: tower912 on November 19, 2013, 03:32:52 PM
And the same could be said after Florida, Vandy, Dayton, DePaul, LSU, UWGB. Scoopers lost their minds. The seasons turned out OK. Choosing to not panic based on past performance is not a character flaw. IMO, flying off of the handle after every loss is. Granted, this was an ugly one. But it is one. In November...to the #8 team in the country.
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Quote from: Norm on November 16, 2013, 09:41:08 PM
I'm surprised Anthony Candelino's name has not been mentioned in this thread yet.
Let's not forget Gerald Posey either.
Candelino...oh boy!! Lets forget that era.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on November 19, 2013, 03:29:58 PM
Remember Florida last season? 10 days later, MU beat Wisconsin. Remember UWGB last season? MU won 8 of their next 9 before losing an ugly game to Louisville. How did they respond to that one? By winning 8 of 10 to finish the regular season and win a share of the Big East title.
While I appreciate your overreaction and condescension, this isn't the first or last time that Marquette will lose an ugly game.
No response to topics of discussion posed, just simply cute passive aggressiveness.
The performance put in by Marquette on Saturday raised questions about offensive continuity, team personality, personnel roles, overall preparedness, and future development. The spirited discussion in the wake of that performance has not only been expected but entirely justified.
Check the stats, son. Four posts since OSU game -- two dealing with Thomas, third you quoted, this is the fourth. The highlighted is nothing more then five topics in the wake of the game in which we've seen discussion in this cesspool. I also called it a dreadful performance which even you as head pom-pom girl can't disagree. Branding that an "overreaction" is lazy but entirely expected from your kind.
As for the condescension, no argument. I'm better than all of you.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on November 20, 2013, 10:09:19 AM
The performance put in by Marquette on Saturday raised questions about offensive continuity, team personality, personnel roles, overall preparedness, and future development. The spirited discussion in the wake of that performance has not only been expected but entirely justified.
I am not sure some of the attacks on certain players are entirely justified. Is Derrick giving 100% effort? That answer would be yes. Does he need to improve? That answer would be yes. Is he useless? That answer would be no. The same answers for Thomas. Remember these are our players and are human beings.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on November 19, 2013, 02:54:47 PM
Fans care about seeing potential. Scoring points is not related, which is why Wisconsin basketball fans have been jumping over the moon for the past 15 years.
The performance put in by Marquette on Saturday raised questions about offensive continuity, team personality, personnel roles, overall preparedness, and future development. The spirited discussion in the wake of that performance has not only been expected but entirely justified.
In the end of this grand bargain of crap regurgitation we call MU Scoop, the crowd of those who act so nonchalantly toward dreadful performances in order to feel some sense of superiority in their pointless existences is no worse than those who find fault in Marquette losing the opening tip of games.
Oh great, hipsterism has finally infiltrated Scoop--complaining about the complaining
about the complaining. SO META AND IRONIC.
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Quote from: bilsu on November 20, 2013, 11:48:35 AM
I am not sure some of the attacks on certain players are entirely justified. Is Derrick giving 100% effort? That answer would be yes. Does he need to improve? That answer would be yes. Is he useless? That answer would be no. The same answers for Thomas. Remember these are our players and are human beings.
No one feels worse than those 2 guys, I would have liked to have seen practice this week. It was not only them that played poorly, what did Todd or Jamil or Juan do to help them out.
There are at least 30 more games to play, the first test will be Arizona St., I do not see good things happening there with the point scorer they have, I was hoping that Duane Wilson could
play like Carson in a few years.
Quote from: BCHoopster on November 20, 2013, 12:55:41 PM
No one feels worse than those 2 guys, I would have liked to have seen practice this week. It was not only them that played poorly, what did Todd or Jamil or Juan do to help them out.
There are at least 30 more games to play, the first test will be Arizona St., I do not see good things happening there with the point scorer they have, I was hoping that Duane Wilson could
play like Carson in a few years.
Arizona State is good but they are all offense. We shut down Carson and we win that game. I think Derrick has the skills to do that.
Quote from: BCHoopster on November 20, 2013, 12:55:41 PM
No one feels worse than those 2 guys, I would have liked to have seen practice this week. It was not only them that played poorly, what did Todd or Jamil or Juan do to help them out.
There are at least 30 more games to play, the first test will be Arizona St., I do not see good things happening there with the point scorer they have, I was hoping that Duane Wilson could
play like Carson in a few years.
BC...I know others have asked before...but PLEASE stop hitting the "Enter" key when you type posts for MUScoop. You can just keep typing and the lines will wrap automatically!
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 20, 2013, 07:37:12 PM
BC...I know others have asked before...but PLEASE stop hitting the "Enter" key when you type posts for MUScoop. You can just keep typing and the lines will wrap automatically!
OK, it is just an old mans habit of using a typewriter which I am sure no one uses anymore, old habits hard to kick.
Quote from: BCHoopster on November 20, 2013, 09:27:01 PM
OK, it is just an old mans habit of using a typewriter which I am sure no one uses anymore, old habits hard to kick.
Hah, thanks. I should have added that I always appreciate the contents of your posts, they're just so hard to read when they don't wrap correctly.