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Title: Rotation notes
Post by: tower912 on November 01, 2013, 01:55:23 PM
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/jajuan-johnson-continues-to-impress-b99128207z1-229352981.html

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/229965951.html

Going to the js website hurts, but two things gleaned from Hunt's stories.   1.  Jake is currently the starter at shooting guard.   Todd still recovering from his surgery and JJJ still trying to catch up.   2.   Chris starts at center and even with the weight loss, Buzz is not happy with DG's defense.  And his defense will dictate his minutes.  
Title: Re: Rotation notes
Post by: GGGG on November 01, 2013, 01:58:46 PM
Correct link:

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/229965951.html

While Jake may start next week, I would be very surprised if that lasts.
Title: Re: Rotation notes
Post by: tower912 on November 01, 2013, 02:01:02 PM
I agree that Jake probably won't be starting all year.   
Title: Re: Rotation notes
Post by: nyg on November 01, 2013, 02:38:25 PM
I don't know what "catching up" means, but I hope JJJ is not that far behind Jake.  Per what is stated, JJJ is third in line at SG at moment.  Bit surprising, but JJJ is a frosh who hopefully has a very fast learning curve.
Title: Re: Rotation notes
Post by: 94Warrior on November 01, 2013, 02:53:58 PM
Man is Hunt terrible.  Devonte Burton & Drexel a finalist for Pierce is all I need to know about the validity of this info.   He has never once written anything about MU that was not filled with misinformation.   Everybody here knows infinitely more than Hunt about MU.   Please get your info elsewhere.   Just because Buzz said 3 weeks ago that Todd or Jajuan had not YET earned a starting spot, doesn't mean Jake will be starting. 
Title: Re: Rotation notes
Post by: bilsu on November 01, 2013, 03:21:07 PM
Buzz is going to start someone you do not expect. Jake could start the whole year and play only 3 minutes a game.
Title: Re: Rotation notes
Post by: w0bbie on November 01, 2013, 03:59:01 PM
Quote from: 94Warrior on November 01, 2013, 02:53:58 PM
Man is Hunt terrible.  Devonte Burton & Drexel a finalist for Pierce is all I need to know about the validity of this info.   He has never once written anything about MU that was not filled with misinformation.   Everybody here knows infinitely more than Hunt about MU.   Please get your info elsewhere.   Just because Buzz said 3 weeks ago that Todd or Jajuan had not YET earned a starting spot, doesn't mean Jake will be starting. 

He also said "Devante Gardner."   ::)  Although plenty of people still get that wrong on here as well.
Title: Re: Rotation notes
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 01, 2013, 04:11:58 PM
Buzz said at the BBQ that Jake will get minutes this year.  Buzz rewards seniors.
Title: Re: Rotation notes
Post by: Windyplayer on November 01, 2013, 05:21:22 PM
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on November 01, 2013, 04:11:58 PM
Buzz rewards seniors.
I don't like this mantra. It's counterintuitive to winning.
Title: Re: Rotation notes
Post by: keefe on November 01, 2013, 05:25:40 PM
Quote from: windyplayer on November 01, 2013, 05:21:22 PM
I don't like this mantra. It's counterintuitive to winning.

It worked for Al...Neary. Bill Neary.
Title: Re: Rotation notes
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on November 01, 2013, 05:33:31 PM
I dont trust a word Hunt writes. I trust Buzz and what he does but if Jake starts I honestly have no clue the process behing his thinking.
Title: Re: Rotation notes
Post by: wojosdojo on November 01, 2013, 05:46:40 PM
Quote from: windyplayer on November 01, 2013, 05:21:22 PM
I don't like this mantra. It's counterintuitive to winning.

Playing seniors simply avoids the costly freshman mistakes -which is why I've had Jake starting all along.
Title: Re: Rotation notes
Post by: 77ncaachamps on November 01, 2013, 07:01:56 PM
Quote from: buzzchiapet on November 01, 2013, 05:46:40 PM
Playing seniors simply avoids the costly freshman mistakes -which is why I've had Jake starting all along.

And allows the frosh to see the game and get coaching before they get in.
Title: Re: Rotation notes
Post by: Skatastrophy on November 01, 2013, 09:21:33 PM
Jake had better get minutes. Otherwise let the kid xfer over the summer like he wanted to!
Title: Re: Rotation notes
Post by: Dawson Rental on November 01, 2013, 09:38:20 PM
Quote from: Skatastrophy on November 01, 2013, 09:21:33 PM
Jake had better get minutes. Otherwise let the kid xfer over the summer like he wanted to!

It's too late now.  And Buzz did not block his transfer in the first place.
Title: Re: Rotation notes
Post by: We R Final Four on November 01, 2013, 10:07:08 PM
Quote from: w0bbie on November 01, 2013, 03:59:01 PM
He also said "Devante Gardner."   ::)  Although plenty of people still get that wrong on here as well.

I know-- however People on scoop don't get paid to do what they do.

From what I've read people on here don't know the difference between then and than---and if you don't, just claim grammar police to get you outta a bad situation.
Title: Re: Rotation notes
Post by: raul on November 02, 2013, 12:58:08 AM
If Jake starts good for him. But the fact is there are more talented players close behind that want to play at his spot. If Jake can get comfortable and hit his outside shots then he will see plenty of playing time and be mega valuable to the team. hope that's the case.
Title: Re: Rotation notes
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 02, 2013, 03:57:40 AM
Jake has talent. He's a great shooter. Once he gets his confidence, he will have a role on the team.
Title: Re: Rotation notes
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 02, 2013, 07:06:32 AM
Quote from: windyplayer on November 01, 2013, 05:21:22 PM
I don't like this mantra. It's counterintuitive to winning.

Buzz doesn't hand out minutes, you have to earn them. Sounds like a cliche but he has always done odd things with his starting line ups. With the OOC cupcakes, Jake will get his minutes.  Because of size and athletic limitations, many of the cupcakes play zone.  Starting Jake will help soften the zone and give his senior a chance for hard earned minutes, while sending many a message, even to Gardner about his defense.  Plus, Jake tears it up in practice, but has struggled off the bench...maybe this is a better way to get him off the blocks.

With these comments, it sure sounds like Dee, Jake, Juan, Jamil and Chris will start against Southern.  I would say Taylor, but I don't think he is 100% starter ready yet with the knee, but he sure looks close. Jamil will tear it up this year in a multi-dimensional role.
Title: Re: Rotation notes
Post by: GGGG on November 02, 2013, 07:29:55 AM
Quote from: esard2011 on November 01, 2013, 05:33:31 PM
I dont trust a word Hunt writes. I trust Buzz and what he does but if Jake starts I honestly have no clue the process behing his thinking.


Here is the process...he is going to start the players who most understand what Buzz wants on both ends of the floor.  If Mayo is still recovering, and since JJJ is a freshman who may not fully understand what Buzz wants, starting Jake is fine.

But I have never put much thought into who starts.  It is who ends up with the most minutes.

I don't think Jake is a high level D1 player so I would be extremely surprised if he logs big minutes.  I hope he proves me wrong.
Title: Re: Rotation notes
Post by: GGGG on November 02, 2013, 07:30:33 AM
Quote from: LittleMurs on November 01, 2013, 09:38:20 PM
It's too late now.  And Buzz did not block his transfer in the first place.
'


In fact, Jake had already been let out of his scholarship.
Title: Re: Rotation notes
Post by: bilsu on November 02, 2013, 07:46:49 AM
The starting lineup does not mean much. There is probably a 100% chance that Otule starts at center and Derrick starts at point. The rest is a crapshoot. There is probably a 99% chance that Jamil starts, but it may be at the 3 or the 4. I would of said 100%, but Buzz did not start him last year. Is the team better with Gardner at 4 and Jamil at 3 or with Jamil at 4 and Juan at 3. My gut says that even though he is not happy with Gardner's defense he will give Gardner a chance to start at least to the Ohio St. game. I think until we lose it will be the 4 seniors and Derrick.
Title: Re: Rotation notes
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on November 02, 2013, 08:04:57 AM
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on November 02, 2013, 07:30:33 AM
In fact, Jake had already been let out of his scholarship.
I don't follow this stuff as closely as many on here, but wasn't Jake's scholly only for the year anyway?  Hard to be let out of something that is no longer yours.
Title: Re: Rotation notes
Post by: willie warrior on November 02, 2013, 11:19:54 AM
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on November 02, 2013, 07:06:32 AM
Buzz doesn't hand out minutes, you have to earn them. Sounds like a cliche but he has always done odd things with his starting line ups. With the OOC cupcakes, Jake will get his minutes.  Because of size and athletic limitations, many of the cupcakes play zone.  Starting Jake will help soften the zone and give his senior a chance for hard earned minutes, while sending many a message, even to Gardner about his defense.  Plus, Jake tears it up in practice, but has struggled off the bench...maybe this is a better way to get him off the blocks.

With these comments, it sure sounds like Dee, Jake, Juan, Jamil and Chris will start against Southern.  I would say Taylor, but I don't think he is 100% starter ready yet with the knee, but he sure looks close. Jamil will tear it up this year in a multi-dimensional role.
If defense is the Buzz mantra to starting, how does one explain Jake and Juan starting? Neither are very good defenders.
Title: Re: Rotation notes
Post by: wadesworld on November 02, 2013, 11:26:36 AM
Quote from: willie warrior on November 02, 2013, 11:19:54 AM
If defense is the Buzz mantra to starting, how does one explain Jake and Juan starting? Neither are very good defenders.

While I agree that Juan isn't a good on ball defender, he is a good rebounder and is the most active player on the team, which allows him opportunities to disrupt the opposing team's offense.  He also seems to be the most vocal player on the team most of the time and plays the quarterback of the defense sometimes.
Title: Re: Rotation notes
Post by: GGGG on November 02, 2013, 11:30:02 AM
Quote from: wadesworld on November 02, 2013, 11:26:36 AM
While I agree that Juan isn't a good on ball defender, he is a good rebounder and is the most active player on the team, which allows him opportunities to disrupt the opposing team's offense.  He also seems to be the most vocal player on the team most of the time and plays the quarterback of the defense sometimes.

Juan is a better perimeter defender than he is a post defender.  I think that is one of the reasons he was moved.  In fact I think his game fits Trent's position perfectly.
Title: Re: Rotation notes
Post by: wadesworld on November 02, 2013, 11:32:44 AM
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on November 02, 2013, 11:30:02 AM
Juan is a better perimeter defender than he is a post defender.  I think that is one of the reasons he was moved.  In fact I think his game fits Trent's position perfectly.

I hope so.  I do agree that he is like Trent in that he will do all of the little things that don't show up in the box score.  But while I think they both had slightly slower feet than you'd like from a perimeter defender, I think Trent could make up for that because he was a strong dude and could just stick his chest out and let the offensive player bounce backwards off of him.  I'm not sure Juan is that strong and may end up getting beaten off the dribble.  Maybe I'm underestimating his athleticism or strength.
Title: Re: Rotation notes
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 02, 2013, 11:53:00 AM
Quote from: willie warrior on November 02, 2013, 11:19:54 AM
If defense is the Buzz mantra to starting, how does one explain Jake and Juan starting? Neither are very good defenders.

I didn't mention anything about defense...I said Buzz rewards seniors.  I doubt Jake starts by tOSU.

That said, I will respond.  Juan was tops on the team and 12th in the Big East in defensive rebounding...playing the three guard switchable in place of Lockett, that would seem like a better fit defensively than inside.  Jake too is a good rebounder, and while he has decent body positioning on defense, he lacks foot speed to be a good defender.  But neither did Junior.
Title: Re: Rotation notes
Post by: Brewtown Andy on November 02, 2013, 11:57:16 AM
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on November 02, 2013, 11:53:00 AM
I didn't mention anything about defense...I said Buzz rewards seniors.  I doubt Jake starts by tOSU.

"Jake is the starter" may just be a feint by Buzz to light a fire under Mayo and Johnson.

Remember when Buzz rolled out a starting lineup of Reggie Smith, Vander, Erik Williams, Jimmy Butler, and Otule, leaving DJO, Jae, Buycks, and Junior on the bench in a season opener?

http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=303160269
Title: Re: Rotation notes
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 02, 2013, 12:01:10 PM
Quote from: Brewtown Andy on November 02, 2013, 11:57:16 AM
"Jake is the starter" may just be a feint by Buzz to light a fire under Mayo and Johnson.

Remember when Buzz rolled out a starting lineup of Reggie Smith, Vander, Erik Williams, Jimmy Butler, and Otule, leaving DJO, Jae, Buycks, and Junior on the bench in a season opener?

http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=303160269

Yep...I said that in my earlier post...he has been all over Gardner, lighting a fire.
Title: Re: Rotation notes
Post by: jesmu84 on November 02, 2013, 12:42:51 PM
One thing I always appreciated from Jake is that he is one of the only players to ever ball-fake, either a shot or pass, before making a decision. He seems to be the least likely person to allow a turnover on a picked-off pass.
Title: Re: Rotation notes
Post by: jsglow on November 02, 2013, 12:56:49 PM
If Jake is playing well enough in practice to justify starting during the initial non-con season the team would seem to be in pretty good shape.  You'll recall that he earned significant minutes last year subbing for Vander before Mayo rejoined the team.  I thought his D, rebounding, and ball handling were reasonably good.  Still, come conference time I'd again expect his prospective role to be as a zone busting sharpshooter.  I hope he's a bit more successful than last although his one shot against 'Cuse will go down in history.
Title: Re: Rotation notes
Post by: Brewtown Andy on November 02, 2013, 01:00:52 PM
Quote from: jsglow on November 02, 2013, 12:56:49 PM
If Jake is playing well enough in practice to justify starting during the initial non-con season the team would seem to be in pretty good shape.  You'll recall that he earned significant minutes last year subbing for Vander before Mayo rejoined the team.  I thought his D, rebounding, and ball handling were reasonably good.  Still, come conference time I'd again expect his prospective role to be as a zone busting sharpshooter.  I hope he's a bit more successful than last although his one shot against 'Cuse will go down in history.

His seven minutes against Syracuse were the most he played after Mayo rejoined the team. The and-1 he hit was his only made bucket after Mayo rejoined the team.
Title: Re: Rotation notes
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 02, 2013, 01:45:41 PM
Quote from: willie warrior on November 02, 2013, 11:19:54 AM
If defense is the Buzz mantra to starting, how does one explain Jake and Juan starting? Neither are very good defenders.

Jake is terrible at D but Juan is quality. Not our best for sure but he has energy, long arms and can defend in the post and on the perimeter. Not the great in any one area, but his versatility makes him useful.

I also agree with what Sultan and others have said, who starts means jack. It's all about the minutes.
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