Quote from: moomoo on October 28, 2013, 05:04:17 PM
looks like he's coming to MU this weekend:
twitter feed below:
blank @Buzz4Pres 9m
@satch1032 when you making your visit to Marquette? Saving the best for last? Don't forget who pasted Miami to get to the Elite 8 last yr
Satchel Pierce @satch1032 7m
@Buzz4Pres coming this weekend hopefully
blank @Buzz4Pres 39s
@satch1032 awesome, we can't wait to have you! Hope you love Marq.
So we have a MU booster?? talking to this kid via twitter about an upcoming visit?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 28, 2013, 06:47:08 PM
So we have a MU booster?? talking to this kid via twitter about an upcoming visit?
Horrible, almost as bad as a UWM booster tweeting five times at a current Marquette student to try to convince him to transfer.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 28, 2013, 06:47:08 PM
So we have a MU booster?? talking to this kid via twitter about an upcoming visit?
You should turn us in Deputy Fife.
BTW do you know who "@Buzz4Pres" is? Do you know if he is a "booster?"
C'mon man!
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 28, 2013, 06:47:08 PM
So we have a MU booster?? talking to this kid via twitter about an upcoming visit?
Who says he's booster? Fans from all kinds of schools tweet at recruits...give me a break. The NCAA cannot legislate how fans interact with recruits....what are they gonna do...contact schools and say - Hey, since it is totally possible for you to know who EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOUR FANS ARE - please send out a memo and tell all of them they cannot communicate with prospective recruits via Twitter. Not even the Nazi like qualities of the NCAA could ever hand down a punishment to a school for fans tweeting at potential recruits. They can say they don't want it to happen...but there is no way to enforce penalties when it does happen.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on October 28, 2013, 07:03:18 PM
You should turn us in Deputy Fife.
BTW do you know who "@Buzz4Pres" is? Do you know if he is a "booster?"
No idea who he or she is. I just know that it is not me.
Quote from: LittleMurs on October 28, 2013, 06:41:29 PM
How incompetent would a Miami B-ball coach have to be to not have a recruit have a good visit?
Uceda definitely has the size to start at center at the "U". Does anyone know if his game fits well there? Miami also has a good sized PF committed in the freshman class, and is still in the hunt for one more.
"I don't know, some basketball kid I think."
We actually know more about Miami basketball than Miami students/alums.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 28, 2013, 06:47:08 PM
So we have a MU booster?? talking to this kid via twitter about an upcoming visit?
As much as people aren't supposed to do this, they do it all the time and the NCAA doesn't do anything about it. For example, look at Paul White's twitter feed right before his GT visit when several young coeds voiced their excitement over his visit. Also some Hurricane cuties reached out to him as well.
Here was my post from then...
"However, he is taking 4 of his previously planned visits and then scheduled Miami. He is heading to Georgetown this weekend. @hoyacutie33 and @hoyafanatic are excited for his visit. I think we aren't really an option."
Here is @hoyacutie33. Looks like she is putting up the good fight for Noah.
https://twitter.com/search?q=%40hoyacutie33
Here is @hoyafanatic. Looks like she is also after Noah and Terance Mann and their upcoming visit
https://twitter.com/search?q=%40hoyafanatic&src=typd
You know that's a 20 year old engineering student posting that.
Quote from: BallBoy on October 28, 2013, 08:32:38 PM
As much as people aren't supposed to do this, they do it all the time and the NCAA doesn't do anything about it. For example, look at Paul White's twitter feed right before his GT visit when several young coeds voiced their excitement over his visit. Also some Hurricane cuties reached out to him as well.
Here was my post from then...
"However, he is taking 4 of his previously planned visits and then scheduled Miami. He is heading to Georgetown this weekend. @hoyacutie33 and @hoyafanatic are excited for his visit. I think we aren't really an option."
Here is @hoyacutie33. Looks like she is putting up the good fight for Noah.
https://twitter.com/search?q=%40hoyacutie33
Here is @hoyafanatic. Looks like she is also after Noah and Terance Mann and their upcoming visit
https://twitter.com/search?q=%40hoyafanatic&src=typd
I'm no Catfish expert, but those reek of burner Twitter accounts.
Quote from: PTM on October 28, 2013, 09:09:57 PM
I'm no Catfish expert, but those reek of burner Twitter accounts.
No kidding. Those would be the most attractive 2 females ever to set foot on Marquette's campus BY FAR. And not that Georgetown doesn't have more attractive girls than Marquette (because let's be honest, who doesn't?), but Georgetown ain't no SEC school. So those 2 just happen to be the biggest Georgetown basketball fans out there? Unlikely.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on October 28, 2013, 07:03:18 PM
You should turn us in Deputy Fife.
BTW do you know who "@Buzz4Pres" is? Do you know if he is a "booster?"
By the definition of a booster.......I'd bet the house. Only because the definition of a booster is quite broad.
Definition:
Have participated in or been a member of an agency that promotes the institution's intercollegiate athletics program
Have made financial contributions to the athletics department or a booster organization for the department
Have been involved otherwise in promoting the institution's athletics program
Have been a season ticket holder
Have provided benefits to student-athletes or their relatives or friends
Am I going to turn anyone in...of course not. Would the school compliance department not be thrilled we have someone communicating with a recruit with the title Buzz4Pres to this kid....uhm, yes. No question about it.
It's stupid. Everyone here is a booster on this board. You're not supposed to communicate with the student athletes prospective students. It is #2 on the list of Booster no-no's and applies to any 9th grader or above (7th grade for men's basketball).
So if you guys get your rocks off attacking me on this, that's fine. I'd ask as a booster of MU athletics, please don't make contact with recruits that may be considering MU. It is a violation of NCAA rules. Thank you.
Quote from: Ners on October 28, 2013, 07:13:11 PM
Who says he's booster? Fans from all kinds of schools tweet at recruits...give me a break. The NCAA cannot legislate how fans interact with recruits....what are they gonna do...contact schools and say - Hey, since it is totally possible for you to know who EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOUR FANS ARE - please send out a memo and tell all of them they cannot communicate with prospective recruits via Twitter. Not even the Nazi like qualities of the NCAA could ever hand down a punishment to a school for fans tweeting at potential recruits. They can say they don't want it to happen...but there is no way to enforce penalties when it does happen.
Yes, the NCAA can legislate against it, and already have. Sorry you don't like it, but it's already in the rule book...pretty simple, look at the rules ners. You are wrong.
As for the memo, MU already has sent those out, as does any worthwhile athletic department. You just chose to ignore it.
Can they enforce it, that's something different, but most certainly they can legislate against it and already have. I choose to follow the request of my alma mater and the rules of the NCAA. I also choose not to act like a 12 year old girl and send tweets and facebook likes to a 17 year old minor, mostly because it is against the NCAA rules but also because it's just plain freaky and weird as an adult to do so.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 28, 2013, 09:40:55 PM
Yes, the NCAA can legislate against it, and already have. Sorry you don't like it, but it's already in the rule book...pretty simple, look at the rules ners. You are wrong.
As for the memo, MU already has sent those out, as does any worthwhile athletic department. You just chose to ignore it.
Can they enforce it, that's something different, but most certainly they can legislate against it and already have. I choose to follow the request of my alma mater and the rules of the NCAA. I also choose not to act like a 12 year old girl and send tweets and facebook likes to a 17 year old minor, mostly because it is against the NCAA rules but also because it's just plain freaky and weird as an adult to do so.
This. Especially the last sentence.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 28, 2013, 09:40:55 PM
Yes, the NCAA can legislate against it, and already have. Sorry you don't like it, but it's already in the rule book...pretty simple, look at the rules ners. You are wrong.
As for the memo, MU already has sent those out, as does any worthwhile athletic department. You just chose to ignore it.
Can they enforce it, that's something different, but most certainly they can legislate against it and already have. I choose to follow the request of my alma mater and the rules of the NCAA. I also choose not to act like a 12 year old girl and send tweets and facebook likes to a 17 year old minor, mostly because it is against the NCAA rules but also because it's just plain freaky and weird as an adult to do so.
My bad...I worded that incorrectly...you are correct...I was aware they have a policy (legislation) regarding it, because of course the NCAA is one big (often times ridiculous)policy machine. The bigger point was, they can't enforce anything about it, and I personally don't give a crap about some ridiculous rule such as this one by the NCAA. I do also agree it is very weird to Facebook like these kids...yet I personally don't think tweeting at a kid letting him know there's some love for him from a fan/fanbase - even if 30, 40, 50 or 60 years old is freaky.
But I applaud you for being such an upstanding rule follower and yes man. ;D
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 28, 2013, 09:36:46 PM
By the definition of a booster.......I'd bet the house. Only because the definition of a booster is quite broad.
Definition:
Have participated in or been a member of an agency that promotes the institution's intercollegiate athletics program
Have made financial contributions to the athletics department or a booster organization for the department
Have been involved otherwise in promoting the institution's athletics program
Have been a season ticket holder
Have provided benefits to student-athletes or their relatives or friends
Am I going to turn anyone in...of course not. Would the school compliance department not be thrilled we have someone communicating with a recruit with the title Buzz4Pres to this kid....uhm, yes. No question about it.
It's stupid. Everyone here is a booster on this board. You're not supposed to communicate with the student athletes prospective students. It is #2 on the list of Booster no-no's and applies to any 9th grader or above (7th grade for men's basketball).
So if you guys get your rocks off attacking me on this, that's fine. I'd ask as a booster of MU athletics, please don't make contact with recruits that may be considering MU. It is a violation of NCAA rules. Thank you.
Could you please go post this on the IU and KU message boards too...so you can protect those great institutions who have even more wheels off fanbases? Thank you for serving and protecting MU - you are a wonderful compliance policeman.
This is what MU sent out. Once a booster, you are a booster forever. Specific section about social media. You don't have to like it.
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/marq/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/compliance_brochure.pdf
Interestingly enough this was retweeted by McKay...
Jeremy Bird @Daddy_Rusty 16m
@ShowTime_McKay Fred Hoiberg >>>> everyone else #HiltonMagic
Retweeted by FromRags2Riches
I understand there is a policy against contacting recruits but at the end of the day it is as meaningful/enforceable as someone only taking a penny from the give a penny/take a penny dish at the gas station.
So though we shouldn't do it, we don't need to get overly worked up when someone does it under Buzz4Prez.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on October 28, 2013, 08:57:32 PM
You know that's a 20 year old male engineering student posting that.
Fixed. I thought both were obvious fake accounts.
Regardless this shows why the NCAA can't enforce this.
1. These are fake handles probably connected to some random email address
2. There is nothing stopping anyone from creating an account as a fan of a rival school and commit violation after violation.
3. The NCAA can't even trace monetary transaction how would they have a remote chance of finding a fake twitter user.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 28, 2013, 09:40:55 PM
I also choose not to act like a 12 year old girl and send tweets and facebook likes to a 17 year old minor, mostly because it is against the NCAA rules but also because it's just plain freaky and weird as an adult to do so.
"I am doing great. I have been thinking about you alot since last weekend. A whole lot. How are you doing?"
(http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/tom-crean-gif.gif)
Can we agree that:
1. Every major basketball or football program has fans (boosters) who have tweeted, are tweeting and will continue to tweet prospective recruits.
2. This is technically illegal.
3. The NCAA has never, isn't presently and will never do anything about it.
4. This is, therefore, much ado about nothing.
Quote from: keefe on October 28, 2013, 10:41:39 PM
"I am doing great. I have been thinking about you alot since last weekend. A whole lot. How are you doing?"
(http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/tom-crean-gif.gif)
Oops. Let's here the excuse for this one...
Quote from: BallBoy on October 28, 2013, 10:39:06 PM
Fixed. I thought both were obvious fake accounts.
Regardless this shows why the NCAA can't enforce this.
1. These are fake handles probably connected to some random email address
2. There is nothing stopping anyone from creating an account as a fan of a rival school and commit violation after violation.
3. The NCAA can't even trace monetary transaction how would they have a remote chance of finding a fake twitter user.
This is all great...but did you not get the memo?? Seriously dude...stop jeopardizing MU's ability to avoid the wrath of the NCAA.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 28, 2013, 10:17:48 PM
This is what MU sent out. Once a booster, you are a booster forever. Specific section about social media. You don't have to like it.http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/marq/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/compliance_brochure.pdf
At the end of the day, MU has to send out a memo like this (NCAA mandated crap) to stay in compliance with the NCAA...after that...nothing more to the NCAA can do on this in the way of penalizing any school. Let's face it....some people can figure out ways to create alternate handles (Hoopaloop) on MU Scoop - sure it can be done on Twitter too.
Quote from: keefe on October 28, 2013, 10:41:39 PM
"I am doing great. I have been thinking about you alot since last weekend. A whole lot. How are you doing?"
(http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/tom-crean-gif.gif)
Freakiest tweet ever sent by an adult to a 17 year old (athlete or not).
Quote from: Ners on October 28, 2013, 10:01:38 PM
Could you please go post this on the IU and KU message boards too...so you can protect those great institutions who have even more wheels off fanbases? Thank you for serving and protecting MU - you are a wonderful compliance policeman.
It's already posted there by others. I can see that you are beat and you are upset resulting in you lashing out, but it is ok to just admit you are wrong. It can be cathartic. Look, I don't even disagree with you that it isn't enforceable, but just admit you were wrong (or do you have Lenny syndrome and are incapable of it?).
The legislation exists, the schools do inform boosters...sorry, you are just wrong. Period. You're not supposed to do it...it is against NCAA rules. My son is only two years younger than these kids, the idea of someone my age or even 10 years younger tweeting or facebooking someone about my son's age is bizarre to me. "hey dude, hope you come here...we love you....yolo....please come here, but if you don't I'm going to stop being your BFF"
I'm all for being a fan, but let the kids be kids. Oh, and it's against the rules. Just admit it. ;)
Quote from: keefe on October 28, 2013, 10:41:39 PM
"I am doing great. I have been thinking about you alot since last weekend. A whole lot. How are you doing?"
(http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/tom-crean-gif.gif)
Quite possibly the most hilarious "roast" post ever. Brilliant Keefe. Thank God for Chicos, without him there would never be all of this comedy.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 28, 2013, 11:12:11 PM
It's already posted there by others. I can see that you are beat and you are upset resulting in you lashing out, but it is ok to just admit you are wrong. It can be cathartic. Look, I don't even disagree with you that it isn't enforceable, but just admit you were wrong (or do you have Lenny syndrome and are incapable of it?).
The legislation exists, the schools do inform boosters...sorry, you are just wrong. Period. You're not supposed to do it...it is against NCAA rules. My son is only two years younger than these kids, the idea of someone my age or even 10 years younger tweeting or facebooking someone about my son's age is bizarre to me. "hey dude, hope you come here...we love you....yolo....please come here, but if you don't I'm going to stop being your BFF"
I'm all for being a fan, but let the kids be kids. Oh, and it's against the rules. Just admit it. ;)
Somewhat unrelated, but I am chuckling to myself right now as I am writing an article involving SPARTA and the UAAA (for those not down with acronyms... they both involve contacting student athletes as an agent rather than the booster situation mentioned above). Regardless... don't catfish.
Keefe....coaches allowed, boosters not.
Even MeatChicken publishes their policy...who knew they cared about NCAA rules. ;)
http://michiganhockey.net/compliance/#.Um82lZy2KRk
http://www.annarbor.com/news/as-twitter-incidents-multiply-michigan-athletes-sign-social-media-contract-and-try-to-avoid-controve/
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 28, 2013, 11:12:11 PM
It's already posted there by others. I can see that you are beat and you are upset resulting in you lashing out, but it is ok to just admit you are wrong. It can be cathartic. Look, I don't even disagree with you that it isn't enforceable, but just admit you were wrong (or do you have Lenny syndrome and are incapable of it?).
The legislation exists, the schools do inform boosters...sorry, you are just wrong. Period. You're not supposed to do it...it is against NCAA rules. My son is only two years younger than these kids, the idea of someone my age or even 10 years younger tweeting or facebooking someone about my son's age is bizarre to me. "hey dude, hope you come here...we love you....yolo....please come here, but if you don't I'm going to stop being your BFF"
I'm all for being a fan, but let the kids be kids. Oh, and it's against the rules. Just admit it. ;)
Did this quote I wrote previously not say as much?
Quote from: Ners on October 28, 2013, 09:59:06 PM
My bad...I worded that incorrectly...you are correct...I was aware they have a policy (legislation) regarding it, because of course the NCAA is one big (often times ridiculous)policy machine. The bigger point was, they can't enforce anything about it, and I personally don't give a crap about some ridiculous rule such as this one by the NCAA. I do also agree it is very weird to Facebook like these kids...yet I personally don't think tweeting at a kid letting him know there's some love for him from a fan/fanbase - even if 30, 40, 50 or 60 years old is freaky.
But I applaud you for being such an upstanding rule follower and yes man. ;D
If you prefer I will say what I posted was wrong about there being no way the NCAA could legislate such a rule...thought saying you were correct was saying the same thing. (As I pointed out though, the veribage was wrong...the bigger point was there is no way to enforce it..so it essentially is a ridiculous rule, but one however, I am glad that you brought up....as it has led to some great comedy here!
Quote from: JakeBarnes on October 28, 2013, 11:17:56 PM
Somewhat unrelated, but I am chuckling to myself right now as I am writing an article involving SPARTA and the UAAA (for those not down with acronyms... they both involve contacting student athletes as an agent rather than the booster situation mentioned above). Regardless... don't catfish.
I always laughed at the SPARTA acronym. The Sports Agent
Responsibility and Trust Act. LOL. To be fair, there are a few agents that I deal with that are top notch, exemplary people from day one, but even they laugh at the acronym. Over the years you come across some and you want to take a shower 2 minutes later.
http://www.rockchalktalk.com/2013/2/13/3984190/kansas-basketball-recruiting-your-friendly-reminder-to-not-tweet
Here you go ners, from KU....I like this part the most
However, boosters should refrain from tweeting about prospective student-athletes.
"It is not going to get you in trouble, and it (probably) is not going to get Kansas in trouble. (largely because some K-State fan could pretend to be a Jayhawks fan and tweet every recruit known to man over and over again) But 1. it is against the rules and 2. it is super weird and creepy. "
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 28, 2013, 11:19:11 PM
Keefe....coaches allowed, boosters not.
Even MeatChicken publishes their policy...who knew they cared about NCAA rules. ;)
http://michiganhockey.net/compliance/#.Um82lZy2KRk
http://www.annarbor.com/news/as-twitter-incidents-multiply-michigan-athletes-sign-social-media-contract-and-try-to-avoid-controve/
Keefe wasn't talking about what's "allowed". He was pointing out (ironically) how TC set the gold standard for freaky/weird communication with a 17 year old.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 28, 2013, 11:26:13 PM
I always laughed at the SPARTA acronym. The Sports Agent Responsibility and Trust Act. LOL. To be fair, there are a few agents that I deal with that are top notch, exemplary people from day one, but even they laugh at the acronym. Over the years you come across some and you want to take a shower 2 minutes later.
As an attorney, it makes me hope for the day where I go against an agent that violated this so I can yell at the judge "This is... SPARTA!"
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 28, 2013, 10:56:15 PM
Freakiest tweet ever sent by an adult to a 17 year old (athlete or not).
hey, its Crean. Zipping his fly down for a BB player. It should be the other way, aina?
Quote from: JakeBarnes on October 29, 2013, 12:56:27 AM
As an attorney, it makes me hope for the day where I go against an agent that violated this so I can yell at the judge "This is... SPARTA!"
Young Spartans Exercising, Edgar Degas
(http://www.kunstkopie.de/kunst/edgar_degas_641/young_spartans.jpg)
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 28, 2013, 11:19:11 PM
Keefe....coaches allowed, boosters not.
Not true. Coaches not allowed to publicly. Had Crean included the recruit's name it would have been a violation.
This topic is simple - in general (credentialed media, other exceptions exist) fans should not communicate with kids prior to the first day of classes (fall semester in the case of MU). Even kids who have signed an NLI are off limits.
Schools should generally promote education of this, but cannot police everything.
People like chicos posting topics on a specific tweet such as this is distasteful as well, especially considering the amount of "fake" Twitter users.
Quote from: keefe on October 28, 2013, 10:41:39 PM
"I am doing great. I have been thinking about you alot since last weekend. A whole lot. How are you doing?"
(http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/tom-crean-gif.gif)
What's Crean doing with his hands?
Quote from: keefe on October 29, 2013, 01:16:07 AM
Playin' pocket pool.
Usually, I don't have Chicos back, but some of you guys really have it out for the guy.
If anyone else had started this thread there would be a lot more agreement to not contact recruits on twitter.
Chicos didn't start the thread, it splintered off another thread. Regardless, whether it's Chicos or anyone else, this is the most overblown finger-shaking argument in the NCAA.
Quite simply, there's too much social media out there for them to regulate, so they don't bother. Is it against the rules? Yes. Without a doubt. But it happens thousands of times per day. Kansas, Kentucky, and Illinois fans are incredibly relentless. Some recruits, like Kendrick Nunn, seem to base where they want to go on which school's fans tweet at them the most. It is absolutely out of control to the point that no one is bothering trying to control it.
So yes, you can wag your finger and say "don't do it" but the bottom line is nothing has come of it, nothing will come of it, and no one really cares about it (except paranoid compliance officers). Some schools try to stop it, but the simple truth is there's only so much they can do, such as the missive MU sent out, and after that the booster's gonna do what the booster's gonna do. I'd guess that's why most don't do any more than a token effort to stem the tide, and I would guess some coaches (especially those that aren't particularly great recruiters in their own right) are glad their fans are doing it.
Personally, I don't do it often. Every now and then I admit I respond to a tweet I see from recruits, and yes I know it's a violation. But nothing will come of it. Really simple as that.
Or the short version of my post...
People bitching about this are like people yelling at everyone for driving 1-2 miles over the posted speed limit. Everyone does it, the cops don't care and won't punish you for it, and you look like a complete asshat trying to get people to stop.
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 29, 2013, 07:23:23 AM
Chicos didn't start the thread, it splintered off another thread. Regardless, whether it's Chicos or anyone else, this is the most overblown finger-shaking argument in the NCAA.
Quite simply, there's too much social media out there for them to regulate, so they don't bother. Is it against the rules? Yes. Without a doubt. But it happens thousands of times per day. Kansas, Kentucky, and Illinois fans are incredibly relentless. Some recruits, like Kendrick Nunn, seem to base where they want to go on which school's fans tweet at them the most. It is absolutely out of control to the point that no one is bothering trying to control it.
So yes, you can wag your finger and say "don't do it" but the bottom line is nothing has come of it, nothing will come of it, and no one really cares about it (except paranoid compliance officers). Some schools try to stop it, but the simple truth is there's only so much they can do, such as the missive MU sent out, and after that the booster's gonna do what the booster's gonna do. I'd guess that's why most don't do any more than a token effort to stem the tide, and I would guess some coaches (especially those that aren't particularly great recruiters in their own right) are glad their fans are doing it.
Personally, I don't do it often. Every now and then I admit I respond to a tweet I see from recruits, and yes I know it's a violation. But nothing will come of it. Really simple as that.
Oh, I understand, but I know this isn't the first time we've discussed this on the board. And I'm sure there were a lot less people saying "don't worry about it" last time.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 28, 2013, 09:40:55 PM
Yes, the NCAA can legislate against it, and already have. Sorry you don't like it, but it's already in the rule book...pretty simple, look at the rules ners. You are wrong.
As for the memo, MU already has sent those out, as does any worthwhile athletic department. You just chose to ignore it.
Can they enforce it, that's something different, but most certainly they can legislate against it and already have. I choose to follow the request of my alma mater and the rules of the NCAA. I also choose not to act like a 12 year old girl and send tweets and facebook likes to a 17 year old minor, mostly because it is against the NCAA rules but also because it's just plain freaky and weird as an adult to do so.
Well I agree with the last point. However you still don't know if he is a booster. You have no idea who he is.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 28, 2013, 10:44:32 PM
Can we agree that:
1. Every major basketball or football program has fans (boosters) who have tweeted, are tweeting and will continue to tweet prospective recruits.
2. This is technically illegal.
3. The NCAA has never, isn't presently and will never do anything about it.
4. This is, therefore, much ado about nothing.
Exactly. It is like your local morning radio show doing a segment entitled "do you believe it's still a law?" Good for a few laughs but in the end completely irrelevant.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on October 29, 2013, 08:34:44 AMExactly. It is like your local morning radio show doing a segment entitled "do you believe it's still a law?" Good for a few laughs but in the end completely irrelevant.
LOL
I agree with Chicos that it can be a big creepy, and I'm not a fan of people who do it incessantly. That one HoyasCutie account had 28 tweets, 25 of which were either directed at recruits or retweets of recruit tweets. That's ridiculous. But asking one question of a recruit, as Buzz4Pres did, not really a big deal.
And I'm not trying to say that Marquette people can't be just as bad. Blueman was a massive tool last year, especially when he lit up Kendrick Nunn on Twitter for picking Illinois.
I didn't start the thread, it was a response in a recruiting thread where there was an example of a booster interacting with a recruit...a clear violation of NCAA rules, MU policy, Big East policy, etc. I merely pointed it out that we shouldn't be doing it. The mods then split the thread out and created it's solo version.
Again, I'm not denying the reality....it is unenforceable....today...said it from the beginning. My university has asked that I don't do it. I will comply. Others can choose to do what they wish. These kids already have a bloated self worth of themselves, I don't think a bunch of 35 to 50 year olds showering tweets and facebook likes and begging them to come to good old alma mater is going to help with that entitlement, but it is what it is. I find it creepy, others don't.
Maybe we can take it the next step and setup paypal accounts and slip a digital c-note handshake or two to these guys. 8-) And don't forget when liking these guys pages to "poke" them.
I wonder if Buzz sent a note out asking boosters not to do it if attitudes would change. Afterall, what the NCAA, MU compliance, Big East, etc say doesn't carry the same weight.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 28, 2013, 09:40:55 PM
I also choose not to act like a 12 year old girl and send tweets and facebook likes to a 17 year old minor... because it's just plain freaky and weird as an adult to do so.
This. Frankly, there's something fundamentally wrong with the concept of anybody over the age of 30 who publicly sends "tweets" and "likes" to someone he/she doesn't know. As if the world doesn't have enough attention-starved kids these days, we really don't need throngs of attention-starved adults.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 28, 2013, 09:40:55 PM
Can they enforce it, that's something different, but most certainly they can legislate against it and already have. I choose to follow the request of my alma mater and the rules of the NCAA. I also choose not to act like a 12 year old girl and send tweets and facebook likes to a 17 year old minor, mostly because it is against the NCAA rules but also because it's just plain freaky and weird as an adult to do so.
Agree. And it's still creepy, though in a different way when a 20 year old jersey-chaser is tweeting next year's potential hook-ups.
But also creepy is kissing your teenage son on the lips.
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Contacting kids via twitter (or any medium) is demeaning to the kid, but to your university, and yourself. I can recall Illinois sycophants showering Kendrick Nunn with crap during his recruitment last year. Again, small. I had to wonder the ages of these people, their lot in life, did they have a life? Apparently not. Basketball, your alma mater, whatever, is never important enough to suck up to an adolescent child to get them to come to your school.
Quote from: siliconwarrior on October 29, 2013, 10:46:20 AM
Contacting kids via twitter (or any medium) is demeaning to the kid, but to your university, and yourself. I can recall Illinois sycophants showering Kendrick Nunn with crap during his recruitment last year. Again, small. I had to wonder the ages of these people, their lot in life, did they have a life? Apparently not. Basketball, your alma mater, whatever, is never important enough to suck up to an adolescent child to get them to come to your school.
Those are of course opinions...not facts. You do realize that there will be many people that disagree with that right?
YES, And they would be wrong
Quote from: siliconwarrior on October 29, 2013, 10:46:20 AM
Contacting kids via twitter (or any medium) is demeaning to the kid, but to your university, and yourself. I can recall Illinois sycophants showering Kendrick Nunn with crap during his recruitment last year. Again, small. I had to wonder the ages of these people, their lot in life, did they have a life? Apparently not. Basketball, your alma mater, whatever, is never important enough to suck up to an adolescent child to get them to come to your school.
Correct me if I am wrong but didnt Kendrick Nunn enroll at Illinois? Must have worked pretty well if you ask me
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on October 29, 2013, 11:29:15 AM
Correct me if I am wrong but didnt Kendrick Nunn enroll at Illinois? Must have worked pretty well if you ask me
So you're suggesting Nunn chose Illinois because some strangers on Twitter encouraged him to do that?
Quote from: Pakuni on October 29, 2013, 11:38:28 AM
So you're suggesting Nunn chose Illinois because some strangers on Twitter encouraged him to do that?
I thought Nunn chose Illinois because he realized they were suddenly better
than us, even though we handily beat the team Illinois lost to in the sweet
16. Also, the new Big East has been bad for recruiting so far.
Quote from: keefe on October 29, 2013, 01:16:07 AM
Young Spartans Exercising, Edgar Degas
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Degas is fantastic. I was just at the Musee d'Orsay a couple weeks ago. I could have spent all day with his stuff. Monet is overrated.
Quote from: real chili 83 on October 29, 2013, 05:10:14 AM
What's Crean doing with his hands?
His face should tell you the answer
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 28, 2013, 06:59:50 PM
Horrible, almost as bad as a UWM booster tweeting five times at a current Marquette student to try to convince him to transfer.
+1
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Quote from: Pakuni on October 29, 2013, 11:38:28 AM
So you're suggesting Nunn chose Illinois because some strangers on Twitter encouraged him to do that?
Probably didn't hurt.
Quote from: LAZER on October 29, 2013, 11:44:55 AM
Probably didn't hurt.
To use my new fave Buzzism, if Nunn based his decision on twitter,
than Nunn DEFINITELY isn't
OKG.
Quote from: LAZER on October 29, 2013, 11:44:55 AM
Probably didn't hurt.
You could say the same thing about every recruit for every school's fan-tweet after the recruit has already committed to said school.
(http://southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com/images/shows/southpark/vertical_video/season_14/sp_1411_clip02.jpg?width=200)
IOW, use caution in using the example of Nunn to justify tweeting at recruits as "not hurting" the cause... more than likely it's poor foresight as the instances of fan-tweets being a potential negative greatly outnumber the instances where it wouldn't be, especially if the parents are involved.
Quote from: LAZER on October 29, 2013, 11:44:55 AM
Probably didn't hurt.
Of course it didnt. Who wouldnt love people fawning over you. Everyone loves attention. Fan support is a big reason why someone would chose a school, and for todays teenagers twitter is one of many mechanisms that teenagers will use to gauge fan support and interest.
Quote from: lab_warrior on October 29, 2013, 11:41:44 AM
I thought Nunn chose Illinois because he realized they were suddenly better
than us, even though we handily beat the team Illinois lost to in the sweet
16. Also, the new Big East has been bad for recruiting so far.
Nunn was the top SG on Illinois' list. We recruited him hard, but JJJ was a higher priority. Once that became clear we were out of the picture. Worked out well for everyone.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 29, 2013, 01:01:46 PM
Nunn was the top SG on Illinois' list. We recruited him hard, but JJJ was a higher priority. Once that became clear we were out of the picture. Worked out well for everyone.
Except that's not really true. Nunn committed to Illinois on September 15, 2012. Almost exactly 7 weeks later, Jajuan Johnson committed to Marquette on November 2, 2012. When Johnson committed, Paint Touches put out this article (http://painttouches.com/2012/11/02/thanks-to-efforts-from-chew-jajuan-johnson-lands-at-marquette/). It talks about how 7 weeks earlier, Johnson was ready to commit to Alabama, but Isaac Chew flew down to Memphis and asked for 10 minutes of JJJ's time that ultimately would lead to him committing to Marquette. Based on that timeline, Marquette likely reached out to Johnson within a couple days of Nunn's commitment, and possibly did so when they realized they wouldn't land Nunn.
I'm overjoyed we got JJJ, I think he will be a stud here and feel he has more upside than Kendrick Nunn. But Nunn didn't go to Illinois because JJJ was a higher priority. In all honesty, when we were recruiting Nunn and up until his commitment to UI, JJJ was barely on our radar.
Irregardless of whether it is a violation, I do not see why anyone on this board would think they could possibly say or tweet anything to a recruit that would help Buzz get a commitment from a kid. It is much more likely that you could say or tweet something that hurts Buzz's chances. Just do not do it.
Quote from: bilsu on October 29, 2013, 05:56:08 PM
Irregardless of whether it is a violation, I do not see why anyone on this board would think they could possibly say or tweet anything to a recruit that would help Buzz get a commitment from a kid. It is much more likely that you could say or tweet something that hurts Buzz's chances. Just do not do it.
PET PEEVE. NOT A WORD!
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on October 29, 2013, 06:09:18 PM
PET PEEVE. NOT A WORD!
Is so! Just a poor and pointless one.
Quote
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irregardless
Usage Discussion of IRREGARDLESS
Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that "there is no such word." There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on October 29, 2013, 06:09:18 PM
PET PEEVE. NOT A WORD!
Depends on what is is.
It is listed as a nonstandard word by Oxford and others. Thus, noting that the word is not proper, but does exist as jargon or a colloquialism. So it depends on whether you view a word in the dictionary to be a word and furthermore if a nonstandard word in the dictionary cuts it for you. Some say yes, some say no.
Irregardless of what anyone thinks.....
Quote from: Bleuteaux on October 29, 2013, 11:42:42 AM
Degas is fantastic. I was just at the Musee d'Orsay a couple weeks ago. I could have spent all day with his stuff. Monet is overrated.
I love Degas. Barnes' mention of Spartans made me think of that particular piece. I am fascinated by his depiction of movement, especially in his works of dancers. His exquisite detail countered with an inability to actually finish a piece is intriguing. I am not sure I would say Monet is overrated but he does get more attention. Monet is actually a much better representative of Impressionism than Degas, as Degas himself would likely tell us.
Of Monet, I am particularly drawn to his depictions of Fin de Siecle London. Charing Cross and the Houses of Parliament series have a haunting, elegiac quality that moves me. I am humbled by the genius of both these men.
Quote from: chapman on October 29, 2013, 10:22:35 AM
Agree. And it's still creepy, though in a different way when a 20 year old jersey-chaser is tweeting next year's potential hook-ups.
But also creepy is kissing your teenage son on the lips.
(http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/lt/lt_cache/thumbnail/400/img/photos/2013/03/26/f5/17/tomcrean.jpg)
I think in my lifetime my dad kissed me on the lips once, in a weird sort of awkward way. It happens....you go in for the hug and the side cheek kiss and one head goes the wrong way...smacko. As Ferris Bueller movie states, so that's how it is in their family. I guess I've seen way too many dads in my lifetime not even willing to give their kid a hug, so I don't get worked up over that picture at all. RIP, dad.
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 29, 2013, 02:19:37 PM
Except that's not really true. Nunn committed to Illinois on September 15, 2012. Almost exactly 7 weeks later, Jajuan Johnson committed to Marquette on November 2, 2012. When Johnson committed, Paint Touches put out this article (http://painttouches.com/2012/11/02/thanks-to-efforts-from-chew-jajuan-johnson-lands-at-marquette/). It talks about how 7 weeks earlier, Johnson was ready to commit to Alabama, but Isaac Chew flew down to Memphis and asked for 10 minutes of JJJ's time that ultimately would lead to him committing to Marquette. Based on that timeline, Marquette likely reached out to Johnson within a couple days of Nunn's commitment, and possibly did so when they realized they wouldn't land Nunn.
I'm overjoyed we got JJJ, I think he will be a stud here and feel he has more upside than Kendrick Nunn. But Nunn didn't go to Illinois because JJJ was a higher priority. In all honesty, when we were recruiting Nunn and up until his commitment to UI, JJJ was barely on our radar.
If that's the timeline I stand corrected. I had seen Nunn play several times and was not overwhelmed. During his movement from a strong MU lean to a UI lean/commit we were mentioned as one of the leaders for the much higher rated (with a bullet) JJJ. I assumed (especially when we got JaJuan) that we had backed off Nunn a bit hoping for a JJJ commit. Maybe it was more good luck than perfect execution of a plan.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 29, 2013, 07:51:51 PM
I think in my lifetime my dad kissed me on the lips once, in a weird sort of awkward way. It happens....you go in for the hug and the side cheek kiss and one head goes the wrong way...smacko. As Ferris Bueller movie states, so that's how it is in their family. I guess I've seen way too many dads in my lifetime not even willing to give their kid a hug, so I don't get worked up over that picture at all. RIP, dad.
While the picture is exceedingly creepy (simultaneous handshake/mouth kiss) I generally agree with you. Nothing wrong with a Father showing affection to his children - quite the contrary.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1324799/How-men-kissing-lips-friendship-longer-taboo.html
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(http://ionetheurbandaily.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/1279634244will_kiss_boy1.jpg)
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 29, 2013, 07:51:51 PM
I think in my lifetime my dad kissed me on the lips once, in a weird sort of awkward way. It happens....you go in for the hug and the side cheek kiss and one head goes the wrong way...smacko. As Ferris Bueller movie states, so that's how it is in their family. I guess I've seen way too many dads in my lifetime not even willing to give their kid a hug, so I don't get worked up over that picture at all. RIP, dad.
I loathe Crean with a white hot passion, but this doesn't bother me. Not my cup of tea, but knock yourself out. ( I doubt this happens in the Crean home...only at Assembly Hall...but that's another story).
double post
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 29, 2013, 08:30:05 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1324799/How-men-kissing-lips-friendship-longer-taboo.html
I can state unequivocally that I will not kiss my buds on the lips nor would they wish for me to do so. I would also not wish for them to kiss me on the lips and I am certain they would have no desire to behave otherwise.
At the end of a firefight there is an eerie silence that punctuates the action just concluded. The immediate impulse is to look around the tactical field and visually inspect each and every one of your buds. It is the longest 20 seconds of any man's life. I am guessing the emotions invested in that moment are more genuine and heartfelt than anything that has ever transpired at Assembly Hall.
Quote from: keefe on October 29, 2013, 08:41:29 PM
I can state unequivocally that I will not kiss my buds on the lips nor would they wish for me to do so. I would also not wish for them to kiss me on the lips and I am certain they would have no desire to behave otherwise.
At the end of a firefight there is an eerie silence that punctuates the action just concluded. The immediate impulse is to look around the tactical field and visually inspect each and every one of your buds. It is the longest 20 seconds of any man's life. I am guessing the emotions invested in that moment are more genuine and heartfelt than anything that has ever transpired at Assembly Hall.
Not to diminish the emotions of combat operations, but I'm willing to bet the look that 4 dudes share after a night of bowling is more genuine and heartfelt than anything coming out of Assembly Hall.
Quote from: keefe on October 29, 2013, 07:28:17 PM
I love Degas. Barnes' mention of Spartans made me think of that particular piece. I am fascinated by his depiction of movement, especially in his works of dancers. His exquisite detail countered with an inability to actually finish a piece is intriguing. I am not sure I would say Monet is overrated but he does get more attention. Monet is actually a much better representative of Impressionism than Degas, as Degas himself would likely tell us.
Of Monet, I am particularly drawn to his depictions of Fin de Siecle London. Charing Cross and the Houses of Parliament series have a haunting, elegiac quality that moves me. I am humbled by the genius of both these men.
Fair enough. You are right. It's just that Monet gets all the attention. While I don't particularly enjoy landscapes Rouen Cathedral and Gare St Lazare were certainly fascinating. Degas' dance lesson and the L'Absinthe piece were both mesmerizing. Also enjoyed the portraits of Toulouse-Lautrec. Such an incredible collection at the Orsay.
And you are correct, Degas would have preferred to be called a realist.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on October 29, 2013, 09:02:03 PM
Not to diminish the emotions of combat operations, but I'm willing to bet the look that 4 dudes share after a night of bowling is more genuine and heartfelt than anything coming out of Assembly Hall.
Very heartfelt
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Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 29, 2013, 09:58:03 PM
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was this when they cut down the nets?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 29, 2013, 09:58:03 PM
Very heartfelt
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Orgies don't count.
Quote from: Bleuteaux on October 29, 2013, 09:30:29 PM
Fair enough. You are right. It's just that Monet gets all the attention. While I don't particularly enjoy landscapes Rouen Cathedral and Gare St Lazare were certainly fascinating. Degas' dance lesson and the L'Absinthe piece were both mesmerizing. Also enjoyed the portraits of Toulouse-Lautrec. Such an incredible collection at the Orsay.
And you are correct, Degas would have preferred to be called a realist.
I envy you your visit to the Orsay. I actually never went inside and I regret that now.
One of my favorite Realist works is Manet's, Bar at the Folies-Bergere which is at the Courtauld in London. I see something different or new every time I have had opportunity to view it. It is one of that period's most intriguing works - beyond the silliness of the debate on perspective. It is much more social commentary than it ever was about provocative technique. The female figure is more fascinating than most other female subjects. Brilliant.