One day after dismissing rumors of a comeback with the St Louis Rams, Brett Favre admits to memory loss due to concussions. Another court case/settlement brewing?
(Sorry, meant to put this in Superbar)
I prefer the Bread Favre at Koppa's, but I ask for it on a pita. What was the question again?
Favre, winning the Super Bowl in '05, is one of MY great memories.
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Quote from: brandx on October 25, 2013, 12:39:23 PM
Favre, winning the Super Bowl in '05, is one of MY great memories.
You took one too many shots to the head too, eh?
Maybe this explains why he kept telling the Packers he was retiring...and then showed up at training camp.
I could think of many additional reasons why he has memory loss.....
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 25, 2013, 01:19:24 PM
I could think of many additional reasons why he has memory loss.....
Mental health (addiction) jokes before lunch in California. It's going to be a great day!
Scientists say memory loss begins as early as age 20 and into your 30's, depending on the studies.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=117281
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2226747/Memory-loss-start-early-thirties.html
Does football have an impact....sure, probably. I just don't know why so many want to put ALL of the impact on one thing or another. We all lose our memory, some earlier than others.
Funny, Favre isn't bitchin' about erectile dysfunction.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 25, 2013, 02:05:26 PM
Funny, Favre isn't bitchin' about erectile dysfunction.
Ah, the old "I can't remember where I (my johnson?) was last night". Brett's been pullin' that one on Dana for decades.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 25, 2013, 01:39:01 PM
Mental health (addiction) jokes before lunch in California. It's going to be a great day!
Uhm, no. It's called aging...I attached a few links for your reading pleasure.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 25, 2013, 02:30:32 PM
Uhm, no. It's called aging...I attached a few links for your reading pleasure.
So when you said you could think of "many additional reasons he has memory loss" you didn't mean many, you meant one. Either that or you forgot what you had written only minutes before. Time for a check up?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 25, 2013, 02:05:26 PM
Funny, Favre isn't bitchin' about erectile dysfunction.
From the looks of things in his text messages there's not a lot of blood draining from his brain to fill his unit. Never thought Favre had trouble with deep routes until he started texting...
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 25, 2013, 12:24:03 PM
One day after dismissing rumors of a comeback with the St Louis Rams, Brett Favre admits to memory loss due to concussions. Another court case/settlement brewing?
To be serious for a second ....
The NFL settlement was $765 million which many decried was a small sum given the NFL profits.
The lead attorney for the players pushed for this settlement because the issue of concussions was not in dispute. The issue was how damaged where many of these players BEFORE they entered the NFL. That means College, High school and even Pee-wee leagues bear some liability (according to the players lead attorney).
So coming to a college and/or high school near you .... concussions lawsuits.
Will Favre sue the NCAA/Southern Mississippi in addition to the NFL/Packers, Jets, Vikings?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 25, 2013, 01:48:36 PM
Scientists say memory loss begins as early as age 20 and into your 30's, depending on the studies.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=117281
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2226747/Memory-loss-start-early-thirties.html
Does football have an impact....sure, probably. I just don't know why so many want to put ALL of the impact on one thing or another. We all lose our memory, some earlier than others.
You just being obstinate. Brain studies have shown it is not the normal memory loss that is at issue here.
But as Heisenberg said, it is a cumulative thing. The NFL is probably the safest now among high school, college, or the NFL. Rather than being one or two big hits, it is the cumulative effect of the daily hits in practice. That was the reasoning behind limiting the padded practices that each team is able to conduct.
Quote from: brandx on October 25, 2013, 06:57:26 PM
You just being obstinate. Brain studies have shown it is not the normal memory loss that is at issue here.
But as Heisenberg said, it is a cumulative thing. The NFL is probably the safest now among high school, college, or the NFL. Rather than being one or two big hits, it is the cumulative effect of the daily hits in practice. That was the reasoning behind limiting the padded practices that each team is able to conduct.
That's fine....that's not what Favre is talking about. He's stating memory loss, which can happen to anyone.
As I said, does football have an impact. Sure. Is it it the only reason? Of course not. How many people in those studies with memory loss in their 20s and 30s didn't play a single football play in their life? People want to have nice packaging of everything. Football causes brain issues. Smoking was the reason she died. Humans 100% cause of global waming\cooling\climate change (whatever they change it to these days). The truth is, there are many factors and combination of factors. Some have more influence than others, and some have very influence at all at the micro level but people want to make broad assumptions and assign blame. It's what people do, nice gift wrapped with a bow packaging so it can be all tidied up. Small bites, because apparently we are too stupid in this country to possibly think it can be many contributing factors....that's way too difficult for we mouth breathing humanoids to process.
Quote from: brandx on October 25, 2013, 06:57:26 PM
You just being obstinate. Brain studies have shown it is not the normal memory loss that is at issue here.
But as Heisenberg said, it is a cumulative thing. The NFL is probably the safest now among high school, college, or the NFL. Rather than being one or two big hits, it is the cumulative effect of the daily hits in practice. That was the reasoning behind limiting the padded practices that each team is able to conduct.
Correct, and to this day college practice is brutal compared to the NFL. They are literally "banging heads" with each other everyday.
College football (via practice) is doing more damage than the NFL. I would not be surprised if the NCAA pays multiples of what the NFL paid. Ditto High School.
http://www.hbo.com/real-sports-with-bryant-gumbel/episodes#/real-sports-with-bryant-gumbel/episodes/0/188-episode/video/188-concussions.html/eNrjcmbOYM5nLtQsy0xJzXfMS8ypLMlMds7PK0mtKFHPz0mBCQUkpqf6JeamcjIyskknlpbkF+QkVtqWFJWmsjGyMQIAWCcXOA==
Quote from: Heisenberg on October 25, 2013, 07:30:38 PM
Correct, and to this day college practice is brutal compared to the NFL. They are literally "banging heads" with each other everyday.
College football (via practice) is doing more damage than the NFL. I would not be surprised if the NCAA pays multiples of what the NFL paid. Ditto High School.
http://www.hbo.com/real-sports-with-bryant-gumbel/episodes#/real-sports-with-bryant-gumbel/episodes/0/188-episode/video/188-concussions.html/eNrjcmbOYM5nLtQsy0xJzXfMS8ypLMlMds7PK0mtKFHPz0mBCQUkpqf6JeamcjIyskknlpbkF+QkVtqWFJWmsjGyMQIAWCcXOA==
Many contributing factors. Non football players have brain issues also, just as non smokers get lung cancer, just as the climate cooled and heated before human beings existed. Does football contribute, of course. Do humans contribute, of course. Does smoking contribute, of course. Is it the end all be all...no.
Should the NCAA and high schools have to start paying out large amounts of money to soccer and basketball players that develop arthritis in the hips, knees, etc due to the constant pounding? Does playing those sports contribute to those conditions? Of course. Why is it any different?
Quote from: Heisenberg on October 25, 2013, 07:30:38 PM
Correct, and to this day college practice is brutal compared to the NFL. They are literally "banging heads" with each other everyday.
College football (via practice) is doing more damage than the NFL. I would not be surprised if the NCAA pays multiples of what the NFL paid. Ditto High School.
http://www.hbo.com/real-sports-with-bryant-gumbel/episodes#/real-sports-with-bryant-gumbel/episodes/0/188-episode/video/188-concussions.html/eNrjcmbOYM5nLtQsy0xJzXfMS8ypLMlMds7PK0mtKFHPz0mBCQUkpqf6JeamcjIyskknlpbkF+QkVtqWFJWmsjGyMQIAWCcXOA==
High school and college practice is not the problem.
The problem is massive, super human, roided-up professionals who are 300 lbs, run a 4.7 40 yard dash, don't wrap up when they tackle and lower their heads for all hits, and the fans who love to see such hits.
The problems are not entirely absent from the lower levels, but the NFL is exacerbated due to the size and athleticism of the players and the complete disregard for traditional tackling techniques.
People are overthinking this. Don't eliminate the kickoff and change all the rules. Just go back to normal sized human beings and enforce traditional tackling rules
Quote from: Bleuteaux on October 25, 2013, 07:48:58 PM
High school and college practice is not the problem.
The problem is massive, super human, roided-up professionals who are 300 lbs, run a 4.7 40 yard dash, don't wrap up when they tackle and lower their heads for all hits, and the fans who love to see such hits.
The problems are not entirely absent from the lower levels, but the NFL is exacerbated due to the size and athleticism of the players and the complete disregard for traditional tackling techniques.
People are overthinking this. Don't eliminate the kickoff and change all the rules. Just go back to normal sized human beings and enforce traditional tackling rules
Watch the Real Sports link, it has the opposite of this.
Quote from: Heisenberg on October 25, 2013, 08:22:59 PM
Watch the Real Sports link, it has the opposite of this.
What did Bill Maher say?
Quote from: Heisenberg on October 25, 2013, 06:46:53 PM
To be serious for a second ....
The NFL settlement was $765 million which many decried was a small sum given the NFL profits.
The lead attorney for the players pushed for this settlement because the issue of concussions was not in dispute. The issue was how damaged where many of these players BEFORE they entered the NFL. That means College, High school and even Pee-wee leagues bear some liability (according to the players lead attorney).
Actually the issue had more to do with the restitution process that was outlined in the CBA, which would have made the final verdict less then they eventually received.
If you guys would read what he actually said, you would note that he doesn't necessarily blame football for his memory loss. Just that the memory lapses have made him fearful. Honestly you can't blame him for that.
Why shouldn't the NCAA, pro leagues have to pay for arthritic injuries? What makes it different? Why shouldn't Little League, AYSO, CYO, etc have to pay for those impacts?
At what point do people start to acknowledge there are risks in life, from playing football to getting into a car to eating a cheeseburger. That we're all going to die, likely we're all going to get a disease of some kind (some escape this), and that often it is our own choices, behaviors, etc that lead to our demise, or certaily contribute to it. Always someone else's fault.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 25, 2013, 09:59:24 PM
At what point do people start to acknowledge there are risks in life, from playing football to getting into a car to eating a cheeseburger.
Ridiculous analogy. Nobody getting into a car is actively traumatizing their brain every time they drive.
Don't get me wrong. I love football and played football. But the size and power of the players is in another stratosphere from even 10-20 years ago.
Quote from: brandx on October 25, 2013, 11:09:48 PM
Ridiculous analogy. Nobody getting into a car is actively traumatizing their brain every time they drive.
Don't get me wrong. I love football and played football. But the size and power of the players is in another stratosphere from even 10-20 years ago.
Ridiculous statement. Nobody is forced into playing football. And I don't hear these guys complaining when they collect a paycheck. Sports are voluntary activities. And you should know the risks before you strap on the uniform.
I knew that going to war is a hazardous activity. And as I collected three Purple Hearts along the way I never once thought of suing anybody. Nobody forced me to strap on the uniform and I knew the risks. And I would go again in a heart beat.
Life is about choices. Buyer beware. Live with the consequences.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 25, 2013, 01:48:36 PM
Scientists say memory loss begins as early as age 20 and into your 30's, depending on the studies.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=117281
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2226747/Memory-loss-start-early-thirties.html
Does football have an impact....sure, probably. I just don't know why so many want to put ALL of the impact on one thing or another. We all lose our memory, some earlier than others.
I thought the same thing when reading the article. Also, he was known to heavily abuse pain killers, which will accelerate the effects of aging on memory loss.
Favre was never known for his brilliance anyway.
As an aside, it seems that the safer they make the gear, the more people get injured. I think this largely reflects players willing to hit harder, because it doesn't hurt...this in turn leads to more injuries on the offense and players on the periphery (knee injuries from players bouncing into them) who can't prepare for the bigger hits.
Are increased safety gear partially responsible for an increase in injuries?
Quote from: brandx on October 25, 2013, 11:09:48 PM
Ridiculous analogy. Nobody getting into a car is actively traumatizing their brain every time they drive.
Don't get me wrong. I love football and played football. But the size and power of the players is in another stratosphere from even 10-20 years ago.
Why aren't you consistent? Basketball puts wear and tear on your joints....why aren't you demanding the NBA, CYA, NCAA, High School pay people with knee arthritis that played basketball? Then let's go to volleyball. Then soccer. So on and so forth.
It's not a ridiculous analogy....life is about CHOICES. No one is forcing someone to play football.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 26, 2013, 09:15:11 AM
Why aren't you consistent? Basketball puts wear and tear on your joints....why aren't you demanding the NBA, CYA, NCAA, High School pay people with knee arthritis that played basketball? Then let's go to volleyball. Then soccer. So on and so forth.
It's not a ridiculous analogy....life is about CHOICES. No one is forcing someone to play football.
Chicos, based on this statement I would assume you have never known anyone with a traumatic brain injury. Frankly, to compare wear and tear on joints as analogous to the long term debilitating effect of traumatic brain injuries is insulting.
Wear and tear on your joint will decrease quality of life, but only because some things you enjoyed you no longer can do...you are still the same person.
These brain injuries can incapacitate an individual, where grueling headaches make them incapable of functioning at all, leading to depression and possibly suicides. Early onset Alzheimers and dementia, renders an individual unrecognizable to those close to them and destroys all aspects of their ability to function at home or in society. They are serious conditions that us as a society need to do something about.
You are right, at the superficial level no one made them play football. But most of these athletes come from poor backgrounds where there are no real options...football/basketball is a chance to escape. As a young kid they are conditioned to sacrifice their body to hit kids as hard as possible in dangerous ways (like rewarding kids for taking out an opposing player), at that juncture they have no ability to comprehend long term consequences. They are looking at immediate benefits...aka escape the hood, or score with the hot chick. At that age they think they are indestructible and coaches put them in a position they know will cause long term harm.
The concussions honestly have much more in line with unsafe working conditions cases (early 1900s) where they put kids in an environment that could devastate their long term lives.