McKay sheds light on decision to transfer from MarquetteJameel McKay was expected to be part of Marquette's frontcourt in 2013 and take on an even larger role in 2014, but he made the decision to transfer last week based on what exactly that would have encompassed. "(It was) just disagreements on things, is as simple as I can put it," McKay told Paint [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=painttouches.com&blog=28348875&post=9058&subd=painttouches&ref=&feed=1" width="1" height="1" />
Source: McKay sheds light on decision to transfer from Marquette (http://painttouches.com/2013/10/24/mckay-sheds-light-on-decision-to-transfer-from-marquette/)
Dude doesn't want to play center, and with his build that's probably not where he can be most effective.
But, didn't he know that when he agreed to come to MU?
And the next contestant on "You, Too, Can Be Jeronne Maymon" Is...
Best option would have been for him to redshirt this season and bulk up. My guess lack of playing time or being asked to redshirt played big role in the transfer.
Quote from: TSmith34 on October 24, 2013, 12:32:49 PM
Dude doesn't want to play center, and with his build that's probably not where he can be most effective.
But, didn't he know that when he agreed to come to MU?
I would be shocked if he didn't know the role they had planned for him. This has got "outside advisors" written all over it, in my opinion.
Also...even if he was the 5 next year, I'm sure that Buzz would have changed the scheme so that he wouldn't be playing as much of a traditional 5 role on offense. We've clearly succeeded in the past without a traditional center, and Buzz has shown that he'll adapt the offense to fit the personnel.
Too bad--think he could have been a great addition these too years. Best of luck trying to find a place that better fits his desires.
Who cares? Next man up.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 24, 2013, 12:38:14 PM
Who cares? Next man up.
That's fine for this year...but, next year. MU is going to be small.
Quote from: Nukem2 on October 24, 2013, 01:07:28 PM
That's fine for this year...but, next year. MU is going to be small.
Small at the 5, not the 1-4.
Thanks for the insight, PT.
Kids. What are you gonna do?
I don't understand the decision at all. I mean he redshirts anyway, right?
Don't get me wrong, best of luck to McKay, but I don't get it.
So is he still practicing with the team? Or is he a regular tall guy on campus now? Like can I not hold the elevator when I see him in johnston today?
Let's see which one of his name-drops will take someone who will sit out the first semester before having 1.5 years of eligibility, hasn't played a minute at the D1 level and will have gone a year and a half since playing a college game, and needs to feel "comfortable" with what he thinks his role is after just a few practices. ::)
I'd advise callin' him a hairy, wet cat and then runnin' like hell.
Quote from: chapman on October 24, 2013, 01:32:08 PM
Let's see which one of his name-drops will take someone who will sit out the first semester before having 1.5 years of eligibility, hasn't played a minute at the D1 level and will have gone a year and a half since playing a college game, and needs to feel "comfortable" with what he thinks his role is after just a few practices. ::)
Man, when you put it that way, it seems like this might be a bad decision... ::)
Quote from: chapman on October 24, 2013, 01:32:08 PM
Let's see which one of his name-drops will take someone who will sit out the first semester before having 1.5 years of eligibility, hasn't played a minute at the D1 level and will have gone a year and a half since playing a college game, and needs to feel "comfortable" with what he thinks his role is after just a few practices. ::)
Good point. Also, he "heard from" those schools. That doesn't necessarily mean much. I heard from Michigan State as a HS football player (MSU was recruiting a teammate). Apparently, Nick Saban cooled on me though since 15 years later, I'm still awaiting the scholarship offer.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on October 24, 2013, 01:30:32 PM
So is he still practicing with the team? Or is he a regular tall guy on campus now? Like can I not hold the elevator when I see him in johnston today?
He is off the team, but you might want to hold the door just in case he changes his mind.
What ever happened to "making the best of a bad situation?"
How many of us had or have jobs that aren't the exact job we want or need?
Where would Marquette basketball have been in the past few years if Jimmy Butler, Lazar Hayward, Jae Crowder and to a degree Vander Blue all didn't agree to play out of position for the overall good of the team?
The reasoning doesn't add up for me. If he spent any time watching MU the past several years - particularly the likes of Jamil Wilson, Crowder, Butler he would have nothing to fear. He was gonna get his (and the NBA guys would love it, BTW). Having heard that (limited) explanation, my personal opinion as a total outsider is that he was starting to fear/realize he just wasn't going to be good enough to play here. I could be wrong.
Quote from: Avenue Commons on October 24, 2013, 01:57:17 PM
What ever happened to "making the best of a bad situation?"
How many of us had or have jobs that aren't the exact job we want or need?
its been 23 years now, thanks for reminding me :(
Quote from: humanlung on October 24, 2013, 12:34:47 PM
I would be shocked if he didn't know the role they had planned for him. This has got "outside advisors" written all over it, in my opinion.
I like how you put "outside advisors" in quotes. Very apropos.
Quote from: chapman on October 24, 2013, 01:32:08 PM
Let's see which one of his name-drops will take someone who will sit out the first semester before having 1.5 years of eligibility, hasn't played a minute at the D1 level and will have gone a year and a half since playing a college game, and needs to feel "comfortable" with what he thinks his role is after just a few practices. ::)
Does he for sure have to sit out the first semester or does the NCAA's decision clearing Josh Smith to play for Georgetown open the door for him to get cleared to play for first semester? Also, does anyone know if he can continue to practice with the team (assuming it would be mutually beneficial to both to let him practice)?
at least he gave it 4 practices before deciding he didn't like his role......
Quote from: Avenue Commons on October 24, 2013, 01:57:17 PM
What ever happened to "making the best of a bad situation?"
How many of us had or have jobs that aren't the exact job we want or need?
Where would Marquette basketball have been in the past few years if Jimmy Butler, Lazar Hayward, Jae Crowder and to a degree Vander Blue all didn't agree to play out of position for the overall good of the team?
"But I simply believe I can put myself in (a) better situation."
Better than the NBA?
Quote from: MARQCAT on October 24, 2013, 02:18:28 PM
Does he for sure have to sit out the first semester or does the NCAA's decision clearing Josh Smith to play for Georgetown open the door for him to get cleared to play for first semester? Also, does anyone know if he can continue to practice with the team (assuming it would be mutually beneficial to both to let him practice)?
Yeah, I wouldn't doubt that McKay is going to try to play first semester next year given the Smith decision.
And there is no way that Buzz is going to let Jameel practice with the team. A quitter? *I* have a better chance of practicing with them.
Quote from: DB Cooper on October 24, 2013, 02:05:30 PM
its been 23 years now, thanks for reminding me :(
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Agreed, no way Buzz is letting him practice, work out with the team, etc.
After Midnight Madness, in a post, I speculated that McKay would be near the end of the bench. And I questioned if Red Shirting was in order.
I have a feeling that McKay may have noticed that he is not as good, right now, compared to to the competition on this team.
Choice: Work hard or blame others?
Stay and fight or flight: It can be a bruise to an ego, especially if he thinks the NBA was in his near term future. Reality can hit one hard. He has a ways to go.
I wish him well. I don't think he would have played much this year, but he would have added nice depth and hopefully would have been ready to start next year.
Again, stay and fight or flight. Seems like a hasty decision, hope it works out for him.
Edit: Here is part of my post after midnight madness as it pertains to McKay (McKay will be on the bench to start the season. I hope their is consideration to red-shirting him, but I doubt it, given our history of not red-shirting players.)
Quote from: GOO on October 24, 2013, 02:40:34 PM
Agreed, no way Buzz is letting him practice, work out with the team, etc.
After Midnight Madness, in a post, I speculated that McKay would be near the end of the bench. And I questioned if Red Shirting was in order.
I have a feeling that McKay may have noticed that he is not as good, right now, compared to to the competition on this team.
Choice: Work hard or blame others?
Stay and fight or flight: It can be a bruise to an ego, especially if he thinks the NBA was in his near term future. Reality can hit one hard. He has a ways to go.
I wish him well. I don't think he would have played much this year, but he would have added nice depth and hopefully would have been ready to start next year.
Again, stay and fight or flight. Seems like a hasty decision, hope it works out for him.
Edit: Here is part of my post after midnight madness as it pertains to McKay (McKay will be on the bench to start the season. I hope their is consideration to red-shirting him, but I doubt it, given our history of not red-shirting players.)
See ya later McKay!!
He was not going to take minutes away from Otule or Gardner. But, he didn't want to play power forward either? What could be more valuable than a wing that can't shoot from more than 4 feet?
I think the program will survive ;D
I know what some of you guys are saying, but if the kid isn't happy, then it's a good move to transfer.
Done deal.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on October 24, 2013, 03:00:01 PM
I know what some of you guys are saying, but if the kid isn't happy, then it's a good move to transfer.
Done deal.
+1
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on October 24, 2013, 03:00:01 PM
I know what some of you guys are saying, but if the kid isn't happy, then it's a good move to transfer.
Done deal.
+1 - I totally support any player's right to transfer for whatever reason. More power to him and hope he does well.
But our only interest in him here on this board was as a basketball player at MU. If he would have signed with Iowa out of JC, we never would have mentioned his name here.
So, since he is no longer going to play at MU - 'See ya' later, McKay'.
McKay seemed to have the size and ability to play here, but he was missing the key attribute that made guys like Jae, Jimmy, DJO, and other JUCO transfers so successful -- the heart. If he doesn't have the sack to play here, good riddance. I'm sure some less successful program will take a flier on a 6'9" JUCO All-American. But the run-and-hide from adversity tact won't make him a star and certainly won't get him to the NBA. I hope it gets easier for him. And I'm glad he realized it now, because I'd rather not have guys looking for the easy path suiting up for our team.
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 24, 2013, 04:14:01 PM
McKay seemed to have the size and ability to play here, but he was missing the key attribute that made guys like Jae, Jimmy, DJO, and other JUCO transfers so successful -- the heart. If he doesn't have the sack to play here, good riddance. I'm sure some less successful program will take a flier on a 6'9" JUCO All-American. But the run-and-hide from adversity tact won't make him a star and certainly won't get him to the NBA. I hope it gets easier for him. And I'm glad he realized it now, because I'd rather not have guys looking for the easy path suiting up for our team.
Nope.
Don't do that.
WE don't know the kid. WE don't understand his thought process or what he is doing.
We just don't know. Let's not pretend like we do.
He made his decision. He feels it's his best option. Best of luck to him.
Once games start we will all forget about the reincarnation of Trend Blackledge.
Sorry, gents, not going to beat the kid up. He made his choice, he will live with it. I hope it works out for him.
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 24, 2013, 04:14:01 PM
McKay seemed to have the size and ability to play here, but he was missing the key attribute that made guys like Jae, Jimmy, DJO, and other JUCO transfers so successful -- the heart. If he doesn't have the sack to play here, good riddance. I'm sure some less successful program will take a flier on a 6'9" JUCO All-American. But the run-and-hide from adversity tact won't make him a star and certainly won't get him to the NBA. I hope it gets easier for him. And I'm glad he realized it now, because I'd rather not have guys looking for the easy path suiting up for our team.
You don't know what's in the kids head or all the circumstances. If he doesn't want to be here, fine. Wish him well and move on. No need to call out a kids character.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on October 24, 2013, 04:19:01 PM
Nope.
Don't do that.
WE don't know the kid. WE don't understand his thought process or what he is doing.
We just don't know. Let's not pretend like we do.
He made his decision. He feels it's his best option. Best of luck to him.
+10,000 (it's allowed because McKay is a big)
Quote from: hairyworthen on October 24, 2013, 04:31:36 PM
You don't know what's in the kids head or all the circumstances. If he doesn't want to be here, fine. Wish him well and move on. No need to call out a kids character.
He was here a week. Real practice started with Boot Camp and he made it a week. So either the coaching staff lied to him throughout the recruitment process or he experienced what a week of real work at the D1 level was like and couldn't take it.
At this point, it is ALL about character. McKay put in one week and quit. Character revealed, as Buzz would say.
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 24, 2013, 04:42:04 PM
He was here a week. Real practice started with Boot Camp and he made it a week. So either the coaching staff lied to him throughout the recruitment process or he experienced what a week of real work at the D1 level was like and couldn't take it.
At this point, it is ALL about character. McKay put in one week and quit. Character revealed, as Buzz would say.
Stop.
We don't know what is going on with this kid. We don't know everything.
Wish him luck, and let it go.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on October 24, 2013, 04:19:01 PM
Nope.
Don't do that.
WE don't know the kid. WE don't understand his thought process or what he is doing.
We just don't know. Let's not pretend like we do.
He made his decision. He feels it's his best option. Best of luck to him.
+ whatever number we're using these days.
The guy's got two years to do whatever he can to fulfill his dream of getting paid to play basketball. If he doesn't believe his time at MU is going to help him do that (regardless of whether or not he's correct) he has every right to make the decision to leave without being labeled some kind of miscreant.
I'm pretty sure none of us would be p*ssing all over an engineering student who decided to transfer because the course offerings don't mesh with his career goals. (Yes, I know it's an imperfect analogy)
Also, the whole "he was here a week" thing is nonsense. He may be been part of "official practice" for a week, but he's been here much longer than a week, took part in boot camp, individual workouts, etc. The coaches have had plenty of time to discuss with him his role, and he's had plenty of time to consider that and evaluate whether it's right for him.
We may think it's a terrible decision. We may be right. But let's not impugn his character, pretend we know how he arrived at his decision, etc., because we don't like his choice.
I am going to speak against his character.
If the guy had character he would hold out for more than a week. It was a selfish decision that left a hole on the basketball program. It wasn't done because of family...it wasn't done because of grades...it was done because after one, f*cking week, he decides he doesn't like his role.
So after MU recruits him, works with him to get him eligible to transfer, stops recruiting other players, etc., he decides AFTER ONE WEEK that he doesn't like his role? ONE WEEK!!!
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on October 24, 2013, 05:30:55 PM
I am going to speak against his character.
If the guy had character he would hold out for more than a week. It was a selfish decision that left a hole on the basketball program. It wasn't done because of family...it wasn't done because of grades...it was done because after one, f*cking week, he decides he doesn't like his role.
So after MU recruits him, works with him to get him eligible to transfer, stops recruiting other players, etc., he decides AFTER ONE WEEK that he doesn't like his role? ONE WEEK!!!
So, boot camp, official practice, individual summer workouts, meetings with coaches ...these all took place over just ONE WEEK????
Look, I'm not defending his decision. I think it's a poor one. But I'm not going to shred a kid's character because he wants to maximize his opportunities or do what he thinks is best for his future.
And, I've got to wonder, would the role MU's coaching staff had in mind for him have changed after ONE WEEK???? If he had stayed TWO WEEKS!!!! would Buzz have decided to use McKay differently? Would his role have changed after FOUR WEEKS????
My guess? The same people making a big deal about ONE WEEK!!!! would have ripped the kid just as much, if not more, if he left in December like Maymon and Reggie Smith. I don't recall many saying "I give that kid credit for sticking it out for two months" of Smith or Maymon.
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 24, 2013, 04:42:04 PM
He was here a week. Real practice started with Boot Camp and he made it a week. So either the coaching staff lied to him throughout the recruitment process or he experienced what a week of real work at the D1 level was like and couldn't take it.
At this point, it is ALL about character. McKay put in one week and quit. Character revealed, as Buzz would say.
Except you don't know it's because he couldn't handle the work. You don't know what's going on with the kid. He has to live with the decision and its his. Move on.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on October 24, 2013, 05:30:55 PM
I am going to speak against his character.
If the guy had character he would hold out for more than a week. It was a selfish decision that left a hole on the basketball program. It wasn't done because of family...it wasn't done because of grades...it was done because after one, f*cking week, he decides he doesn't like his role.
So after MU recruits him, works with him to get him eligible to transfer, stops recruiting other players, etc., he decides AFTER ONE WEEK that he doesn't like his role? ONE WEEK!!!
+1 (Because that's enough)
He is quitting on his team. Guys that are busting ther asses to achieve mutual success. As as soon as he's told "we want you to play in the post" he quits? Give me a break. I want guys like Lazar and Jae that don't care about being small forwards or centers, they just care about being good basketball players and putting the team before themselves.
McKay only cares about himself. This isn't a move like Juan who is trying to do something for the good of his family. McKay's family is here and he doesn't have a clue where he's going. Events like Boot Camp are meant to bond a team together. To get these guys to understand that when the chips are down and they feel like they have nothing left, they still have each other. Well, I guess for McKay, now they don't.
Maybe the PC thing is to pat every kid on their head and tell them they're making good decisions and it'll all work out. But sometimes people make bad decisions. Sometimes guys show their character and you are disappointed. Go back to Buzz's quote in the Journal. It's rather telling.
Quote from: Pakuni on October 24, 2013, 05:41:46 PM
My guess? The same people making a big deal about ONE WEEK!!!! would have ripped the kid just as much, if not more, if he left in December like Maymon and Reggie Smith.
Indeed I would have. Smith and Maymon don't get any extra cookies either. If a kid transfers after legitimately trying and working at it for a season I wish him the best and there doesn't need to be a rhyme or reason given for wanting to look elsewhere. Quitting after a week, a month, or after 10 of the least important games of a 35 game season due to not liking a role on the team at that point in time is shortsighted and immature. Character revealed.
I couldn't agree more than I do with both Sultan and Brew. JK quit on the team. Period. Character revealed. Period. Maybe he was told there weren't trophies for everyone at the end of the year regardless of how the team did....
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on October 24, 2013, 02:03:31 PM
The reasoning doesn't add up for me. If he spent any time watching MU the past several years - particularly the likes of Jamil Wilson, Crowder, Butler he would have nothing to fear. He was gonna get his (and the NBA guys would love it, BTW). Having heard that (limited) explanation, my personal opinion as a total outsider is that he was starting to fear/realize he just wasn't going to be good enough to play here. I could be wrong.
I gotta agree. Just a hunch, but maybe playing against big guys like Chris and Davante caused him to have second thoughts about taking on centers in their likeness next year. This year he figures he gets some PT behind Jamil and Steve, but not as much. Then he plays exclusively at the 5 next year and doesn't get to show off his other "skills," for whatever position he believes. And I think he may not have been good enough to play ahead of our current 4 big men, limiting his time this year.
No shot. Can't jump. Skinny as a rail. 0 min of D1 bball on your resume. Did not listen to those who have excelled where you have not. No heart.
Good luck young man.
Quote from: tower912 on October 24, 2013, 04:29:27 PM
Sorry, gents, not going to beat the kid up. He made his choice, he will live with it. I hope it works out for him.
+1
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 24, 2013, 06:50:45 PM
Maybe the PC thing is to pat every kid on their head and tell them they're making good decisions and it'll all work out. But sometimes people make bad decisions. Sometimes guys show their character and you are disappointed. Go back to Buzz's quote in the Journal. It's rather telling.
I don't disagree with what you and sultan are saying and as the coach who recruited him buzz certainly has the right to criticize him.
Why do you think you should get on your high horse and go off on the kid. Have class, wish him luck and move on. just because you post on a message board, and throw some sh-t against the wall that occasionally sticks doesn't make you the judge an jury if all things MU bb. It just means you occasionally have sticky sh-t
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on October 24, 2013, 07:09:12 PM
I couldn't agree more than I do with both Sultan and Brew. JK quit on the team. Period. Character revealed. Period. Maybe he was told there weren't trophies for everyone at the end of the year regardless of how the team did....
Did Buzz quit on New Orleans? Did Majerus on MU? Did Crean on MU?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 24, 2013, 08:16:59 PM
Did Buzz quit on New Orleans? Did Majerus on MU? Did Crean on MU?
I know it's teal, but the answers are yes and justified; no; and yes and justified.
Quote from: LloydMooresLegs on October 24, 2013, 08:29:20 PM
I know it's teal, but the answers are yes and justified; no; and yes and justified.
And how many of them resigned in mid-October?
Quote from: hairyworthen on October 24, 2013, 08:14:49 PM
I don't disagree with what you and sultan are saying and as the coach who recruited him buzz certainly has the right to criticize him.
Why do you think you should get on your high horse and go off on the kid. Have class, wish him luck and move on. just because you post on a message board, and throw some sh-t against the wall that occasionally sticks doesn't make you the judge an jury if all things MU bb. It just means you occasionally have sticky sh-t
I'm not claiming to be judge and jury. I am simply speaking out against his character. Sorry if that makes you uncomfortable, but his actions were bullsh*t. Four practices. Never gave it a chance.
Quote from: hairyworthen on October 24, 2013, 08:14:49 PM
I don't disagree with what you and sultan are saying and as the coach who recruited him buzz certainly has the right to criticize him.
Buzz didn't exactly criticize him. He said he was glad for the faith Jameel, his coaches, and family gave to the staff before McKay arrived at Marquette. Or more accurately, all the people who were on board until he got to Marquette and learned it was hard. All of these people lost faith in the staff once McKay got here. So they backed the kid quitting. It was a failure by Jameel and all his handlers.
And so I have an opinion and express it. I'm not going to apologize for my disappointment in a quitter. You endorse and support it. Fine, no skin off mine. But don't expect the whole world to feel the same way you do.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on October 24, 2013, 08:43:36 PM
I'm not claiming to be judge and jury. I am simply speaking out against his character. Sorry if that makes you uncomfortable, but his actions were bullsh*t. Four practices. Never gave it a chance.
I get where you are coming from, but sometimes its better to just take the high road especially when you don't know where a kids head is at. We have had plenty of employees act like ass hats and quit. You just say wish you luck and good bye. McKay is obviously not mu material so be it cut bait and move on.
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 24, 2013, 08:51:01 PM
Buzz didn't exactly criticize him. He said he was glad for the faith Jameel, his coaches, and family gave to the staff before McKay arrived at Marquette. Or more accurately, all the people who were on board until he got to Marquette and learned it was hard. All of these people lost faith in the staff once McKay got here. So they backed the kid quitting. It was a failure by Jameel and all his handlers.
And so I have an opinion and express it. I'm not going to apologize for my disappointment in a quitter. You endorse and support it. Fine, no skin off mine. But don't expect the whole world to feel the same way you do.
Well I never said I endorsed it and supported it, not even close. I am not expecting you to apologize nor asked you to. Do you feel you need to? obviously everyone isn't going to feel the same way I do or you do. That's the beauty of message boards. Btw I have an opinion and express it just like you.
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 24, 2013, 08:51:01 PM
Buzz didn't exactly criticize him. He said he was glad for the faith Jameel, his coaches, and family gave to the staff before McKay arrived at Marquette. Or more accurately, all the people who were on board until he got to Marquette and learned it was hard. All of these people lost faith in the staff once McKay got here. So they backed the kid quitting. It was a failure by Jameel and all his handlers.
And so I have an opinion and express it. I'm not going to apologize for my disappointment in a quitter. You endorse and support it. Fine, no skin off mine. But don't expect the whole world to feel the same way you do.
Amen.
"Buzz is a good dude and I respect him," McKay said. "But I simply believe I can put myself in (a) better situation."
All about him.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on October 24, 2013, 09:02:39 PM
"Buzz is a good dude and I respect him," McKay said.
Maybe it's just me, but that statement shows nothing but disrespect. Buzz isn't a "good dude". He is the coach and authority figure - and the reason McKay was here in the first place.
I do think everyone wishes McKay good luck. I also think everyone here thinks his decision was not well thought out. I do not see why he thinks he will do better at schools like Florida. He should transfer to a lower level program, if he cannot compete here.
Quote from: brandx on October 24, 2013, 09:19:12 PM
Maybe it's just me, but that statement shows nothing but disrespect. Buzz isn't a "good dude". He is the coach and authority figure - and the reason McKay was here in the first place.
His behavior had been nothing but disrespect. Walking out on his team. Tweeting coaches from other teams when NCAA rules prevent official contact. Attending practices at other schools. That's my issue. McKay is gone, and considering his actions and attitudes, good riddance. But jeez, he could at least have enough respect for the program he signed with to not reach out so obviously to other programs.
We never had him. He's obviously the opposite of a team-first guy. He won't be missed.
Lateer, Jameel. Somehow, someway, Marquette hoops will continue without yee.
I won't trash the kid. I see no evidence that says he's a bad actor. But this is a big boy program and if you can't or aren't willing to do what it takes to hack it, goodbye and good luck. I don't know whether this will work out better for Jameel, but if he wants out it will definitely work out better for MU. Selling out MU's culture of GTST for any guy, no matter how talented, isn't worth it.
Quote from: bilsu on October 24, 2013, 09:24:01 PM
I do think everyone wishes McKay good luck. I also think everyone here thinks his decision was not well thought out. I do not see why he thinks he will do better at schools like Florida. He should transfer to a lower level program, if he cannot compete here.
I don't wish him good luck. I don't wish him bad luck either. If life takes him to UNLV and Eastern Illinois, more power to him.
The most important question at the moment is...how do I erase his autograph that my daughter got at Buzz's BBQ on her MU basketball that already had Jimmy Butler's and Buzz's autographs? Anyone really talented with whiteout?
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on October 24, 2013, 09:44:57 PM
I don't wish him good luck. I don't wish him bad luck either. If life takes him to UNLV and Eastern Illinois, more power to him.
Exactly my thoughts. I don't root him him to fail out of spite, but I don't wish him luck in the way that I wish guys like Jamail Jones and Jamal Ferguson luck. They stuck around and worked and gave it a legitimate shot, and it didn't work out. Jimmy Butler stuck around and decided to hang in there and it worked out quite well. Dwight Buycks was a local Juco phenom who got to campus and reality had him behind two midgets or playing out of position alongside them - so he just worked harder, then kept working for three more years and look what happened.
Quote from: MUEng92 on October 24, 2013, 10:13:31 PM
The most important question at the moment is...how do I erase his autograph that my daughter got at Buzz's BBQ on her MU basketball that already had Jimmy Butler's and Buzz's autographs? Anyone really talented with whiteout?
I'd talk up the rarity of a Jameel autograph.
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 24, 2013, 06:50:45 PM
Maybe the PC thing is to pat every kid on their head and tell them they're making good decisions and it'll all work out. But sometimes people make bad decisions. Sometimes guys show their character and you are disappointed. Go back to Buzz's quote in the Journal. It's rather telling.
#1 I don't think the decision makes sense, but it's not mine to make.
#2 Buzz and Jameel's teammates are welcome to judge him in any manner they see fit, and I would completely understand if they were upset with him.
#3 Stupid fans on the internet should keep their mouths shut about a kid (who they have never met) and his character. That has nothing to do with PC, and everything to do with being an adult. The kid decided he wanted to go to another school. Brett Roseboro did the same thing. Same thing will happen again in the future. Let's not attack every kid who DARE try something different than MU.
Coaches leave, players leave, people leave jobs. Sometimes not a good fit, better opportunity, whatever. I suppose sometimes it is "quitting" on someone or something (team), but seems to me it is usually for something much different like a better opportunity, better fit, lifestyle, geography, whatever.
IMO
Quote from: brandx on October 24, 2013, 09:19:12 PM
Maybe it's just me, but that statement shows nothing but disrespect. Buzz isn't a "good dude". He is the coach and authority figure - and the reason McKay was here in the first place.
I dunno, the guys all call Buzz by his first name. The players seem to have a pretty casual relationship with Buzz, even though he is charge.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on October 24, 2013, 10:34:38 PM#3 Stupid fans on the internet should keep their mouths shut about a kid (who they have never met) and his character. That has nothing to do with PC, and everything to do with being an adult. The kid decided he wanted to go to another school. Brett Roseboro did the same thing. Same thing will happen again in the future. Let's not attack every kid who DARE try something different than MU.
That's not it. Let me put it like this...I have a TON more respect for Jeronne Maymon and how that situation was handled than I do Jameel. He is attempting to make illegal contact with other schools in public while he is still on scholarship at Marquette. Sorry, but that's grade-A douchebaggery.
Respect isn't given, it's earned. Thus far, McKay hasn't earned a cent, and his actions in the past week have done nothing but sink his stock. He couldn't be handling this situation with much more disrespect for Marquette and the program than he has. All while playing the poor victim with something to prove.
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 24, 2013, 10:48:28 PM
That's not it. Let me put it like this...I have a TON more respect for Jeronne Maymon and how that situation was handled than I do Jameel. He is attempting to make illegal contact with other schools in public while he is still on scholarship at Marquette. Sorry, but that's grade-A douchebaggery.
Respect isn't given, it's earned. Thus far, McKay hasn't earned a cent, and his actions in the past week have done nothing but sink his stock. He couldn't be handling this situation with much more disrespect for Marquette and the program than he has. All while playing the poor victim with something to prove.
I'm a little confused. Guys that are transferring reach out to schools all the time to transfer. Is it the part about doing it in public? If you look at the kids that have transferred into MU, how is it any different considering they were under scholarship of another school and had contact with representatives of MU?
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 24, 2013, 10:48:28 PM
That's not it. Let me put it like this...I have a TON more respect for Jeronne Maymon and how that situation was handled than I do Jameel. He is attempting to make illegal contact with other schools in public while he is still on scholarship at Marquette. Sorry, but that's grade-A douchebaggery.
Respect isn't given, it's earned. Thus far, McKay hasn't earned a cent, and his actions in the past week have done nothing but sink his stock. He couldn't be handling this situation with much more disrespect for Marquette and the program than he has. All while playing the poor victim with something to prove.
What about Roseboro? Were we all as outraged about him quitting before school EVEN STARTED? GRRRR!!!! DISRESPECTFUL!!!
Listen, if Buzz and MU want to be mad, then so be it. They've earned that.
But, us internet dorks aren't on the team. Let's not be the fans that blast a kid and talk about his character. Leave that kinda stuff to Badger Fran.
Wow. I didn't think I could see so many people get so judgmental about a kid they know nothing about.
Even if the only reason that McKay is leaving is that he didn't like how he was being utilized, so what? He has the right to transfer to a system that he feels suits him better. Say you are hired for a job. You are really excited and it was your top choice. They spent money recruiting you and wining and dining you. They give you a nice fat salary. But once you get there, you hate it. They aren't doing anything wrong, you just don't fit in. Maybe you don't like your coworkers, maybe you don't like your boss, maybe you don't feel like your potential is being maximized. But for some reason, you aren't happy. Are you really saying that you wouldn't at least put out feelers for other jobs?
I've been in the above situation, and its awful. I absolutely put feelers out for other jobs and once I got an offer, I took it. I don't think that says anything poor about my character. And you know what, I love my new job and are much happier for it.
I know its not a perfect comparison. And I know some will probably say that I am a disgrace for leaving my first job. But sometimes you have to do what is best for yourself. You can call that selfish if you want, but it is even more selfish for fans of a college basketball team to take shots at a kid who decides to transfer.
Again, I don't understand the decision. I feel like it makes more sense to play and then transfer after a year. But I'm not McKay and I don't know what's best for him. McKay does, and he should do whatever he needs to get himself to the place where he wants to be.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on October 24, 2013, 11:07:12 PM
Wow. I didn't think I could see so many people get so judgmental about a kid they know nothing about.
Even if the only reason that McKay is leaving is that he didn't like how he was being utilized, so what? He has the right to transfer to a system that he feels suits him better. Say you are hired for a job. You are really excited and it was your top choice. They spent money recruiting you and wining and dining you. They give you a nice fat salary. But once you get there, you hate it. They aren't doing anything wrong, you just don't fit in. Maybe you don't like your coworkers, maybe you don't like your boss, maybe you don't feel like your potential is being maximized. But for some reason, you aren't happy. Are you really saying that you wouldn't at least put out feelers for other jobs?
I've been in the above situation, and its awful. I absolutely put feelers out for other jobs and once I got an offer, I took it. I don't think that says anything poor about my character. And you know what, I love my new job and are much happier for it.
I know its not a perfect comparison. And I know some will probably say that I am a disgrace for leaving my first job. But sometimes you have to do what is best for yourself. You can call that selfish if you want, but it is even more selfish for fans of a college basketball team to take shots at a kid who decides to transfer.
Again, I don't understand the decision. I feel like it makes more sense to play and then transfer after a year. But I'm not McKay and I don't know what's best for him. McKay does, and he should do whatever he needs to get himself to the place where he wants to be.
I'm not angry or judgmental.
I simply don't care about him.
He's no longer a Warrior and he has nothing to do with anything I care about.
I don't wish him ill, I just don't care about him.
He's gone. Already forgotten. I will choose to care about those who still want to be Warriors.
By the way, he just tweeted that he is heading to iowa state...
My bad, I believe I misread his retweets.
First of all, I wish him well. Milwaukee product and seems to be a quality kid. It would have been fun to see him play.
Here's a scenario... He's playing 4 (his true future position) on the scout team against DG and getting KILLED, and on switches picking up Otoule and also getting killed... so buzz switches him to 3, just as an experiment to see if he can guard the 3... and of course then Jamil kills him. I can imagine a scenario where he's flat on his A__ in practice more than anyone else after being abused by much more physical inside players... so he goes.
Good luck to him in a different system.
I always thought he was more suited for the three. Of course I thought he was a better shooter than he showed in the pro am. I suspect what he was having trouble with was rebounding. In JC he got a lot of rebounds by being able to free lance on defense. At MU he had to play his position on defense and he was not strong enough to get rebounds by blocking out, which was damaging to his mental state. It was not playing center that was a problem, it was that he could not stray from the position on defense to run down rebounds.
Quote from: bilsu on October 25, 2013, 08:52:14 AM
I always thought he was more suited for the three. Of course I thought he was a better shooter than he showed in the pro am. I suspect what he was having trouble with was rebounding. In JC he got a lot of rebounds by being able to free lance on defense. At MU he had to play his position on defense and he was not strong enough to get rebounds by blocking out, which was damaging to his mental state. It was not playing center that was a problem, it was that he could not stray from the position on defense to run down rebounds.
May be physically suited for the 3, but skill-wise he is a 4. He is simply a close to the basket player unless he can develop much better perimeter offensive skills.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on October 24, 2013, 10:34:38 PM
#1 I don't think the decision makes sense, but it's not mine to make.
#2 Buzz and Jameel's teammates are welcome to judge him in any manner they see fit, and I would completely understand if they were upset with him.
#3 Stupid fans on the internet should keep their mouths shut about a kid (who they have never met) and his character. That has nothing to do with PC, and everything to do with being an adult. The kid decided he wanted to go to another school. Brett Roseboro did the same thing. Same thing will happen again in the future. Let's not attack every kid who DARE try something different than MU.
+5 (I'm holding 4 proxies from other guys in the office)
Quote from: DB Cooper on October 25, 2013, 10:13:39 AM
+5 (I'm holding 4 proxies from other guys in the office)
Let me guess, the four other guys are Kenneth Christiansen, William Gossett, Richard Floyd McCoy, Jr., and Duane Weber.