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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: moomoo on October 19, 2013, 07:02:59 AM
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Might be a solution.
2013 future 150 national camp
Travon Bunch, 2014 C- The 6-foot-11 post prospect was one of the more interesting ones to come through camp. He is a good shot-blocker and rebounder. Offensively, he tries to dunk everything he can get his hands on and runs the floor well. It's no wonder that high major programs are showing serious interest.
http://future150.com/hs/basketball-news/2013-future150-national-camp-top-20-all-star-game-4250
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Per verbal commits, MU has offered along with DePaul, Iowa State and Green Bay.
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Travon would help a bunch, a'ina.
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Where's NateDogg when we need RUSD information?
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Since he first popped up as a sophomore, he has been so invisible I had almost started to think he had left the country. Maybe that's just what happens to any kid who doesn't crack a top 150 list.
/ESPN has him listed as Trevon with an "e" making him tough to find.
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Where's NateDogg when we need RUSD information?
Funny you mention Bunch cause I have not heard a lot about him since last season. Usually when an athlete (regardless Case, Horlick, Park or St. Cats) is given scholarships you hear a ton of buzz about that student throughout the school. With Bunch I really have not heard much but that could be because Horlick struggled last year. I work with the Horlick coach during summer school and he has a good relationship with Iowa State as they seem to have a huge presence amongst not only athletes but RUSD students in general (You wont believe how many RUSD students go to Iowa state after HS). From what I am told he is a major project, but you cant teach 6'11 and we might be hearing more from Bunch this season as Horlick is going to be much improved.
The three RUSD kids that are getting a lot of buzz around Park HS are Prentiss McGowan (2016) who is a 6'2 guard and is already getting D1 interest. Kaj Days (2016) 6'8 Center but still growing im told. and Cedric Scales (2016) Center 6'6 and growing.
In other RUSD news, I have noticed that the amount of Marquette sweaters I see in the hallways is growing rapidly. I would be willing to be that amongst Black, and Latino/Latina students that Marquette sweaters are equal to Wisconsin Sweaters. And lets face it you can a Wisconsin sweater at Wal-Mart so a student would actually have to seek out a Marquette sweater in order to get one.
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Funny you mention Bunch cause I have not heard a lot about him since last season. Usually when an athlete (regardless Case, Horlick, Park or St. Cats) is given scholarships you hear a ton of buzz about that student throughout the school. With Bunch I really have not heard much but that could be because Horlick struggled last year. I work with the Horlick coach during summer school and he has a good relationship with Iowa State as they seem to have a huge presence amongst not only athletes but RUSD students in general (You wont believe how many RUSD students go to Iowa state after HS). From what I am told he is a major project, but you cant teach 6'11 and we might be hearing more from Bunch this season as Horlick is going to be much improved.
The three RUSD kids that are getting a lot of buzz around Park HS are Prentiss McGowan (2016) who is a 6'2 guard and is already getting D1 interest. Kaj Days (2016) 6'8 Center but still growing im told. and Cedric Scales (2016) Center 6'6 and growing.
In other RUSD news, I have noticed that the amount of Marquette sweaters I see in the hallways is growing rapidly. I would be willing to be that amongst Black, and Latino/Latina students that Marquette sweaters are equal to Wisconsin Sweaters. And lets face it you can a Wisconsin sweater at Wal-Mart so a student would actually have to seek out a Marquette sweater in order to get one.
I havent been there in a while, but I know that as far away as the Kohl's on south 27th st used to sell MU t-shirts, hoodies, etc.
What is RUSD?
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What is RUSD?
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Racine Unified School District
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Funny you mention Bunch cause I have not heard a lot about him since last season. Usually when an athlete (regardless Case, Horlick, Park or St. Cats) is given scholarships you hear a ton of buzz about that student throughout the school. With Bunch I really have not heard much but that could be because Horlick struggled last year. I work with the Horlick coach during summer school and he has a good relationship with Iowa State as they seem to have a huge presence amongst not only athletes but RUSD students in general (You wont believe how many RUSD students go to Iowa state after HS). From what I am told he is a major project, but you cant teach 6'11 and we might be hearing more from Bunch this season as Horlick is going to be much improved.
The three RUSD kids that are getting a lot of buzz around Park HS are Prentiss McGowan (2016) who is a 6'2 guard and is already getting D1 interest. Kaj Days (2016) 6'8 Center but still growing im told. and Cedric Scales (2016) Center 6'6 and growing.
In other RUSD news, I have noticed that the amount of Marquette sweaters I see in the hallways is growing rapidly. I would be willing to be that amongst Black, and Latino/Latina students that Marquette sweaters are equal to Wisconsin Sweaters. And lets face it you can a Wisconsin sweater at Wal-Mart so a student would actually have to seek out a Marquette sweater in order to get one.
KW, our man in SE Wisco! Thanks for the info., bro. Do you hear anything specific about Days and MU? Like has anyone from MU been out to watch him or whatever?
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Anyone know if Travon was at Madness?
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Can you get a Marquette sweatshirt at Brooks Brothers or Ralph Lauren? Surely they're available at Tom Ford on Rodeo.
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Can you get a Marquette sweatshirt at Brooks Brothers or Ralph Lauren? Surely they're available at Tom Ford on Rodeo.
Tom Ford? Is he the cologne guy?
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Tom Ford? Is he the cologne guy?
No, turtleneck
(http://towleroad.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c730253ef017c3256e4b9970b-800wi)
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Multiple turtlenecks
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No, turtleneck
(http://towleroad.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c730253ef017c3256e4b9970b-800wi)
That's odd. I thought he did cologne. Perhaps he should run more adverts...
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Looks like he does more than cologne, a'ina?
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Looks like he does more than cologne, a'ina?
Yep, indoor scarves too
(http://66.147.244.106/~busybee6/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/FP_8180547_BIG_Ford_Tom_01_05.jpg)
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KW, our man in SE Wisco! Thanks for the info., bro. Do you hear anything specific about Days and MU? Like has anyone from MU been out to watch him or whatever?
Days has been at a couple of MU functions like games unofficial stuff like that.
Told me he was kinda jealous that the coaches pretty much just wanted to talk to D-Stone.
Great kid, smart kid, and Im told that his brother (Current 8th or 7th Grader) is even better than him.
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Who cares what big man is out there, just call me when we get one. Because, 7 footers are all upside when you have a guy that can coach.
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Just talked to the Horlick Coach.
He tells me that he has not been contacted by the Marquette coaching staff regarding Bunch.
He prefaced it by saying that a lot of it goes through the AAU coach nowadays anyways.
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Who cares what big man is out there, just call me when we get one. Because, 7 footers are all upside when you have a guy that can coach.
That's pushing it a bit. Buzz won playing 6'8" Dwight Burke, 6'5" Lazar Hayward, 6'7" Jimmy Butler, and 6'4" Jae Crowder at center in various times of his career at Marquette. I don't see any way this staff takes a guy just because he is 84" tall. He still needs to have some potential and game.
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And it was always a dog fight for us to play without a true center. We need to recruit a couple "bigs" to move up to the next level. Why fight it?
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And it was always a dog fight for us to play without a true center. We need to recruit a couple "bigs" to move up to the next level. Why fight it?
We are recruiting bigs. Buzz isn't going to recruit bigs that he doesn't think can play however. We had this conversation when Ben Mills was winning a state championship at Arrowhead - and Buzz was right to pass him by too.
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And it was always a dog fight for us to play without a true center. We need to recruit a couple "bigs" to move up to the next level. Why fight it?
No we don't need stud bigs to move up to the next level. If we keep getting stud switchables, a guy who is a stud big will follow. Someone like Stone will eventually sign on. Just hope it is soon.
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Willie... your comments are a tad confusing. My comment is that we need to recruit a couple of good "bigs" for next year and the year after. Bigs are needed for us to move up a notch to compete.
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Willie... your comments are a tad confusing. My comment is that we need to recruit a couple of good "bigs" for next year and the year after. Bigs are needed for us to move up a notch to compete.
That is what I have been saying, but have been chastised by the Kool Aid drinkers who believe that as long as we keep landing switchables, we will be all right. I agree that to reach a FF we need a stud big--not a 6 year project such as Otule. So I am now drinking the Kool Aid also. Keep recruiting switchables and trying for projects like Bunch/Pierce/Lammers etc. And maybe we will get lucky with a Stone type at some time.
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That is what I have been saying, but have been chastised by the Kool Aid drinkers who believe that as long as we keep landing switchables, we will be all right. I agree that to reach a FF we need a stud big--not a 6 year project such as Otule. So I am now drinking the Kool Aid also. Keep recruiting switchables and trying for projects like Bunch/Pierce/Lammers etc. And maybe we will get lucky with a Stone type at some time.
Serious question. Has anyone on this board said they don't want a stud big on the team? Or that buzz shouldn't try recruiting them? I just don't understand who you think you're fighting/arguing with here.
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Serious question. Has anyone on this board said they don't want a stud big on the team? Or that buzz shouldn't try recruiting them? I just don't understand who you think you're fighting/arguing with here.
MU needs quality players at EVERY position to win a national title (duh).
Now, landing 1 and done type of players is 1 way to go about it. Another way is to take lower ranked recruits (maybe borderline 100) and develop them for a few years.
More than 1 way to acquire a good big man.
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MU needs quality players at EVERY position to win a national title (duh).
Now, landing 1 and done type of players is 1 way to go about it. Another way is to take lower ranked recruits (maybe borderline 100) and develop them for a few years.
More than 1 way to acquire a good big man.
Considering we were one win away from the Final Four last year (willie's stated goal), it certainly does seem that you don't need a "stud big" to get there.
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Considering we were one win away from the Final Four last year (willie's stated goal), it certainly does seem that you don't need a "stud big" to get there.
Well, generically, I'm stating that you need to have GOOD PLAYERS at every position. The Gardner/Otule combo was solid last year. You can make a run with those guys for sure.
I'm not going to get into the "stud" thing. That gets too much into semantics and needless details.
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Of course MU needs quality bigs. What it doesn't need is the modern day equivalent of Rod Grosse and Roman Mueller, just to say it has some height on the roster. If MU fails to land quality bigs, however, I have complete confidence in Buzz's ability to take all of the talent he WILL have on hand and make a very good team. National Championship? Perhaps not. Sweet 16/Elite 8, AKA the current level? Absolutely.
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We are recruiting bigs. Buzz isn't going to recruit bigs that he doesn't think can play however. We had this conversation when Ben Mills was winning a state championship at Arrowhead - and Buzz was right to pass him by too.
Yeah, Ben Mills is hardly playing at all at Colorado, and according to MUHoopsFan2 that is a pretty bad program.
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Thought Tad Boyle was legendary?
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Thought Tad Boyle was legendary?
No one is legendary until MUHoopsFan2 has heard of him. It's in the dictionary.
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I wish MUHoopsFan2 would holler at me.
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Days has been at a couple of MU functions like games unofficial stuff like that.
Told me he was kinda jealous that the coaches pretty much just wanted to talk to D-Stone.
Great kid, smart kid, and Im told that his brother (Current 8th or 7th Grader) is even better than him.
Brother's name is Noble Days. He is a 7th grader. He is a legit 6' 5". Talked to his father a couple of years ago, was a really nice guy. So much ego in AAU ball, and they seemed like real bright, respectful kids with good relationship with their dad. I've seen both play and would agree that Noble is better at his age. Seems to play much more aggressively than his brother. But you can't teach height.
In regards to Bunch, if you want to see him and live in the Milwaukee area, he is in the NY2LA league the next couple of Saturdays at Wisconsin Lutheran High School. Admission is $5. They divide into 8/9-man teams and play a couple of 40-minute, running clock games. I attended last week's event for the 2018/2019s. Bunch plays with the older guys -- their session is 9am - 4am. The first hour and half is drills. Then they play games. No idea exactly when Bunch plays. Last week for the younger kids, I would say there were 100 people in the stands.
Here was the right-up on him for last week's play:
(10) Travon Bunch – 2014 – C – Racine Horlick H.S. – Racine, WI Stat Line – 23.5 FIPG – 5.5 EPG – 7 MPG – 13 PPG – 7 RPG – 1 APG – 2 BPG The long big talent continues to develop as a player and the opening weekend he took more steps forward in that regard as his conditioning looked to be a bit better; he ran the floor well at times, found ways to finish around the basket and was active on the glass. Really has some nice upside and he looks a bit stronger, more explosive, and a bit more advanced than the last time we saw him. A solid opening weekend.
http://www.ny2lasports.com/ImageFilesPlayerProfiles/travonbunch.JPG
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Brother's name is Noble Days. He is a 7th grader. He is a legit 6' 5". Talked to his father a couple of years ago, was a really nice guy. So much ego in AAU ball, and they seemed like real bright, respectful kids with good relationship with their dad. I've seen both play and would agree that Noble is better at his age. Seems to play much more aggressively than his brother. But you can't teach height.
In regards to Bunch, if you want to see him and live in the Milwaukee area, he is in the NY2LA league the next couple of Saturdays at Wisconsin Lutheran High School. Admission is $5. They divide into 8/9-man teams and play a couple of 40-minute, running clock games. I attended last week's event for the 2018/2019s. Bunch plays with the older guys -- their session is 9am - 4am. The first hour and half is drills. Then they play games. No idea exactly when Bunch plays. Last week for the younger kids, I would say there were 100 people in the stands.
Here was the right-up on him for last week's play:
(10) Travon Bunch – 2014 – C – Racine Horlick H.S. – Racine, WI Stat Line – 23.5 FIPG – 5.5 EPG – 7 MPG – 13 PPG – 7 RPG – 1 APG – 2 BPG The long big talent continues to develop as a player and the opening weekend he took more steps forward in that regard as his conditioning looked to be a bit better; he ran the floor well at times, found ways to finish around the basket and was active on the glass. Really has some nice upside and he looks a bit stronger, more explosive, and a bit more advanced than the last time we saw him. A solid opening weekend.
http://www.ny2lasports.com/ImageFilesPlayerProfiles/travonbunch.JPG
Jamil, recruit your fellow Horlickers...
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Forgot to mention, Bunch plays AAU for DTA Devin Harris. The executive director of DTA is Robert Jackson, our former FF center. If Bunch is legit and we want him, I would think this is a huge advantage. I know Rob pretty well because my son also plays for DTA and he still bleeds Marquette. He is very close to Wade and all of the guys from that team. He's a good guy to have in our corner if Bunch is an actual target.
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Jamil, recruit your fellow Horlickers...
Hopefully there is a vaccine for that...
Overhead view of NAS Cubi Point, Republic of the Philippines
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The Ramp at Clark Air Base, Angeles City
(http://www.laferriere.us/Military/ClarkABF4.jpeg)
Wait Staff at The Nipa Hut
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The Nipa Hut, Angeles City. Where the American Fighter pilot has quenched his thirst since 1930
(http://zcap.freeyellow.com/dangeles001.jpg)
Testament to Survival Training
(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/CLARK-AB-ANGELES-CITY-PHILIPPINES-BAR-RUNNIING-PATCH-50-MISSIONS-NIPA-HUT-Y-/00/s/NzI3WDcwMA==/$(KGrHqJ,!lIE+25kqPC7BQFs11f6h!~~60_35.JPG)
Clark Air Base, Pampanga Province
(http://thumbs2.ebaystatic.com/m/mkPfEJxuvQu4QOd6h4SDdNQ/140.jpg)
Wait Staff at Red Baron Lounge, Angeles City
"Can I offer you anything else?"
(http://www.harrythehorse.asia/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Business-Mens-Luncheon37-300x225.jpg)
Wait Staff at the Golden Nile, Home of the King Tut
(http://media.philippines-addicts.com/images/forum/uploads/monthly_10_2012/post-5777-0-46052400-1350611065.jpg)
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Hopefully there is a vaccine for that...
Overhead view of NAS Cubi Point, Republic of the Philippines
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bTdEXANGQcU/UcuESrG2dMI/AAAAAAABJvU/3t0RErv2kko/s1600/Armed%2BForces%2Bof%2Bthe%2BPhilippines%2Bplans%2Bto%2Bbuild%2B30%2BHectare%2B%2509Air%252C%2BNaval%2Bbases%2BASAP%2Bin%2BSubic%2Bfor%2BAmerican%2BForces-770104.JPEG)
The Ramp at Clark Air Base, Angeles City
(http://www.laferriere.us/Military/ClarkABF4.jpeg)
Wait Staff at The Nipa Hut
(http://media.philippines-addicts.com/images/forum/uploads/1311268114/med_gallery_5777_5_554683.jpg)
The Nipa Hut, Angeles City. Where the American Fighter pilot has quenched his thirst since 1930
(http://zcap.freeyellow.com/dangeles001.jpg)
Testament to Survival Training
(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/CLARK-AB-ANGELES-CITY-PHILIPPINES-BAR-RUNNIING-PATCH-50-MISSIONS-NIPA-HUT-Y-/00/s/NzI3WDcwMA==/$(KGrHqJ,!lIE+25kqPC7BQFs11f6h!~~60_35.JPG)
Clark Air Base, Pampanga Province
(http://thumbs2.ebaystatic.com/m/mkPfEJxuvQu4QOd6h4SDdNQ/140.jpg)
Wait Staff at Red Baron Lounge, Angeles City
"Can I offer you anything else?"
(http://www.harrythehorse.asia/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Business-Mens-Luncheon37-300x225.jpg)
Wait Staff at the Golden Nile, Home of the King Tut
(http://media.philippines-addicts.com/images/forum/uploads/monthly_10_2012/post-5777-0-46052400-1350611065.jpg)
No disrespect to the wait staffs, they are awesome, but the most awesome picture is the one with the fighters all lined up. Too bad we do not get to use them more often, instead of being the laughing stock of the world.
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No disrespect to the wait staffs, they are awesome, but the most awesome picture is the one with the fighters all lined up. Too bad we do not get to use them more often, instead of being the laughing stock of the world.
Agree. We need to drop bombs and blow crap up! Doesn't matter where or why. We are America and we need to destroy. If only Dubya was still president, we'd have another couple of wars going by now. Yee-haw!
Syria using chemical weapons? Bomb Lebanon! That'd show 'em who's boss. U.S.A.! U.S.A.!
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No disrespect to the wait staffs, they are awesome, but the most awesome picture is the one with the fighters all lined up. Too bad we do not get to use them more often, instead of being the laughing stock of the world.
America needs to recruit more stud bigs. That'll stop us from being a laughingstock.
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Agree. We need to drop bombs and blow crap up! Doesn't matter where or why. We are America and we need to destroy. If only Dubya was still president, we'd have another couple of wars going by now. Yee-haw!
Syria using chemical weapons? Bomb Lebanon! That'd show 'em who's boss. U.S.A.! U.S.A.!
(http://i.imgur.com/R4IZ6Fz.jpg)
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Agree. We need to drop bombs and blow crap up! Doesn't matter where or why. We are America and we need to destroy. If only Dubya was still president, we'd have another couple of wars going by now. Yee-haw!
Syria using chemical weapons? Bomb Lebanon! That'd show 'em who's boss. U.S.A.! U.S.A.!
You are the one that says it "doesn't matter where or why". I did not. You are the one that said "We are America and we need to desrtoy." Let me insert you next thought, "We need to get rid of all military, except spying on US citizens". Now back to basketball.
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That is what I have been saying, but have been chastised by the Kool Aid drinkers who believe that as long as we keep landing switchables, we will be all right. I agree that to reach a FF we need a stud big--not a 6 year project such as Otule. So I am now drinking the Kool Aid also. Keep recruiting switchables and trying for projects like Bunch/Pierce/Lammers etc. And maybe we will get lucky with a Stone type at some time.
What would happen if we made the Final Four this year? Would your head literally explode, with a pair of "project" centers in the middle? Or would you at the very least finally end this useless diatribe?
Because obviously, we lost against Syracuse due to the inefficiency of our big men last year.
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America needs to recruit more stud bigs. That'll stop us from being a laughingstock.
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You can't +10000. The limit is +1000.
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You can't +10000. The limit is +1000.
+1000
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What would happen if we made the Final Four this year? Would your head literally explode, with a pair of "project" centers in the middle? Or would you at the very least finally end this useless diatribe?
Because obviously, we lost against Syracuse due to the inefficiency of our big men last year.
Speaking of useless diatribe, why would you perpetuate what you call "useless diatribe" with more of the same. No my head would not explode, I would celebrate that we made the FF. Hope it comes true, but I won't hold my breath.
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So those pictures of the Filipino girls, are they actually girls (i.e., females)? I need to know before I use them...
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Hopefully there is a vaccine for that...
Overhead view of NAS Cubi Point, Republic of the Philippines
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bTdEXANGQcU/UcuESrG2dMI/AAAAAAABJvU/3t0RErv2kko/s1600/Armed%2BForces%2Bof%2Bthe%2BPhilippines%2Bplans%2Bto%2Bbuild%2B30%2BHectare%2B%2509Air%252C%2BNaval%2Bbases%2BASAP%2Bin%2BSubic%2Bfor%2BAmerican%2BForces-770104.JPEG)
The Ramp at Clark Air Base, Angeles City
(http://www.laferriere.us/Military/ClarkABF4.jpeg)
Testament to Survival Training
(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/CLARK-AB-ANGELES-CITY-PHILIPPINES-BAR-RUNNIING-PATCH-50-MISSIONS-NIPA-HUT-Y-/00/s/NzI3WDcwMA==/$(KGrHqJ,!lIE+25kqPC7BQFs11f6h!~~60_35.JPG)
Clark Air Base, Pampanga Province
(http://thumbs2.ebaystatic.com/m/mkPfEJxuvQu4QOd6h4SDdNQ/140.jpg)
"Can I offer you anything else?"
(http://www.harrythehorse.asia/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Business-Mens-Luncheon37-300x225.jpg)
The one on the left looks like my cousin...my male cousin.
I really wish we were still in the Philippines. I mean shiet, half the Navy is Filipino. keefe, are there a lot of Filipinos in the Air Force?
Anyways, yes, to get back on track, we need more aircraft carriers.
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Of course MU needs quality bigs. What it doesn't need is the modern day equivalent of Rod Grosse and Roman Mueller, just to say it has some height on the roster. If MU fails to land quality bigs, however, I have complete confidence in Buzz's ability to take all of the talent he WILL have on hand and make a very good team. National Championship? Perhaps not. Sweet 16/Elite 8, AKA the current level? Absolutely.
I don't know Grosse or Mueller, but you're telling me those guys would be worst, with two good eyes, than Otule and Buzz coaching them? They must really suck!
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I don't know Grosse or Mueller, but you're telling me those guys would be worst, with two good eyes, than Otule and Buzz coaching them? They must really suck!
Why the hate on Otule? I don't think you fully appreciate what he brings to this team.
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Why the hate on Otule? I don't think you fully appreciate what he brings to this team.
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I don't know Grosse or Mueller, but you're telling me those guys would be worst, with two good eyes, than Otule and Buzz coaching them? They must really suck!
They could not have guarded CO when he was a freshman wearing a cast. Part of the Majerus-Dukiet transitional era. (shudder)
And don't dis Chris. Second best MU big of the last decade, and the best defensive big.
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Mueller I believe went on to play for Majerus at Ball St. I believe Majerus won 29 games (?) at Ball St, which got him the job at Utah. I do not know if Mueller was much of a factor at Ball St., but he may of been. Freshmen centers often need to get stronger and both Grosse and Mueller needed to add strength. I do not think Grosse ever got much stronger. Teams do much more with weights today than they did back then.
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Mueller I believe went on to play for Majerus at Ball St. I believe Majerus won 29 games (?) at Ball St, which got him the job at Utah. I do not know if Mueller was much of a factor at Ball St., but he may of been. Freshmen centers often need to get stronger and both Grosse and Mueller needed to add strength. I do not think Grosse ever got much stronger. Teams do much more with weights today than they did back then.
Mueller didn't do that poorly that year.
http://www.ballstatesports.com/fls/14200/MBB/PDFs/1988-89-Stats.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=14200
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5pts, 2.8 rebounds in 12 mpg at a good MAC school. Watching Roman and Rod walk into the cafeteria at McCormick was always surreal.
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They could not have guarded CO when he was a freshman wearing a cast. Part of the Majerus-Dukiet transitional era. (shudder)
And don't dis Chris. Second best MU big of the last decade, and the best defensive big.
Not sure what you consider a big, and if you define "last decade" as 2003 to present, here are some of the MU "bigs":
Gardner
McMorrow
Burke
Barro
Kinsella
Jackson Robert and Marcus?
Novak-admitted he did not play the 5
Merritt
E. Williams
I would rank Gardner, R. Jackson, Novak and Merritt higher than Otule, and Burke, Barro as arguably equivalent to Otule. And none of those guys have had 6 years in the system. But hey, its all subjective, isn't it? So Ok, he is the second biggest big in Kool Aid Land--and he is the next Roy Hibbert.
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Novak wasn't what I would consider a traditional big. R. Jackson is outside of the last decade. Burke and Barro? Please. Burke was 6'6 with bad hands. Ooze was 6'10 with bad hands. You left out Lott. CO has better hands and better post moves than either, and due to his sheer size is a better post defender. Merritt.....probably. Personal bias. Scott always frustrated me, so I don't always give him a fair shake among MU bigs. Perhaps I should have said 3rd best. The secret with CO is, give him the ball when he posts. Do not try to dish off to him with a fastball from 4 feet in traffic. When he posts strong and gets the pass on time, he has great hands.
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Classifying Steve Novak as a "big" tells you all you need to know about willie's abilities to analyze basketball players. Seriously, the guy is a very tall wing player. A switchable as it were.
That's enough of my end of this debate with him. This team was an E8 team last year with GD and CO...yet those players aren't good enough to get us to a FF? Puh-leeze...
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Classifying Steve Novak as a "big" tells you all you need to know about willie's abilities to analyze basketball players. Seriously, the guy is a very tall wing player. A switchable as it were.
That's enough of my end of this debate with him. This team was an E8 team last year with GD and CO...yet those players aren't good enough to get us to a FF? Puh-leeze...
You didn't hear that Kevin Durant is the best big in the NBA today?
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Not sure what you consider a big, and if you define "last decade" as 2003 to present, here are some of the MU "bigs":
Gardner
McMorrow
Burke
Barro
Kinsella
Jackson Robert and Marcus?
Novak-admitted he did not play the 5
Merritt
E. Williams
I would rank Gardner, R. Jackson, Novak and Merritt higher than Otule, and Burke, Barro as arguably equivalent to Otule. And none of those guys have had 6 years in the system. But hey, its all subjective, isn't it? So Ok, he is the second biggest big in Kool Aid Land--and he is the next Roy Hibbert.
You forgot Chris Grimm
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So those pictures of the Filipino girls, are they actually girls (i.e., females)? I need to know before I use them...
The best early warning indicator is "Adam's Apple." Can't hide that.
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Not sure what you consider a big, and if you define "last decade" as 2003 to present, here are some of the MU "bigs":
Gardner
McMorrow
Burke
Barro
Kinsella
Jackson Robert and Marcus?
Novak-admitted he did not play the 5
Merritt
E. Williams
I would rank Gardner, R. Jackson, Novak and Merritt higher than Otule, and Burke, Barro as arguably equivalent to Otule. And none of those guys have had 6 years in the system. But hey, its all subjective, isn't it? So Ok, he is the second biggest big in Kool Aid Land--and he is the next Roy Hibbert.
If Novak is a "big", then so are Jae and Jamil Wilson... which means MU isn't that bad at getting bigs, right?
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The one on the left looks like my cousin...my male cousin.
I really wish we were still in the Philippines. I mean shiet, half the Navy is Filipino. keefe, are there a lot of Filipinos in the Air Force?
Anyways, yes, to get back on track, we need more aircraft carriers.
The AF has far fewer Filipino citizens than the Navy. The treaty specified actual numbers and the Navy got the majority. I think that is due to tradition. The USN used Filipinos as Messmen, Stewards, and Officer's Coop Cleaners on ships going back to 1900 whereas the Air Corps only started using them in the 1920's and service was restricted to our bases in the Commonwealth so Filipinos weren't emigrating to CONUS as they were in the USN through PCS moves.
What is fascinating is that because of this tradition Navy Filipinos have served continuously as Stewards and Messmen in the White House for more than a century. Filipinos served in those roles because the Navy restricted them to those rates (in the same way blacks were limited to certain career fields in all services until 1947.) The Navy only opened up other rates to Filipinos in the early '70's; it is amazing that such blatant racism was perpetuated for so long. With the end of the treaty we have stopped recruiting Filipinos in the numbers we once did but there are many enlisting as family of currently-serving military members.
I have logged time at both Clark and Cubi. We used to fly the bombing and EW ranges in Crow Valley where the low level experience rivaled the Star Wars scene. I liked Cubi as there was great diving right there. We used to rent those bungalows on Grande Island and dive all day then swill San Miguels at night. The Cubi Pt Officer's Club was one of the finest Fighter Bars ever created. Legends were born there. They had the that Carrier Arrested Landing device there that resulted in a lot of bruised egos.
There was some fine liberty outside the main gate over Sh1t River. Our squadron, the World-Famous Iron Claws, made the Marmont and the Bamboo Grove our rally bars. You could have a lot of fun on $10 US and still have change in the am. Even us happily married guys managed to have fun, even if our night ended at one of the monkey meat stands to get some grease in our guts.
As for carriers, we are now down to 10, I believe. That is almost half the number of just a few years ago. I will not disagree that carriers are important but I would question the mix of airframes. I am the son and grandson of fighter pilots and flew F 16s but I have to disagree that we need the Raptor and the JSX. The paradigm of air-air engagements fell with the Berlin Wall. Having a CAP capability is important but what we really need is more attack assets. A lot of Navy guys bemoaned the decomm of the F 14 but she was nothing more than a spectator in the AOR.
Why we build Raptors and decomm Warthogs is beyond me. The number of attack tails on the ramp is down 40% since 2005 because Mother Air Force wants air superiority assets - despite the fact there is not a single terminal air threat out there. Each Raptor costs more than $400 million while the JSX is $200 million per. The Warthog with the latest avionics suite costs less $15 million.
Ask any Grunt on the ground what his Close Air Support platform of choice is and he will say without hesitation the Warthog. The Marines on the ground have a saying, "Go ugly early," which means call in the Warthog on first contact. The A 10 puts more firepower with precision and loiters longer than any other fast moving airborne platform. The A 10 has sent more Hajis to Paradise than any other combat asset.
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I was fan of Ousmann. If the guy knew where the baseline was and didn't constantly step out of bounds when he was creeping under the hoop he would have added 4 points to his average. Yeah, he did that at least twice a game.
I'm going to say that CO is waaayyy better than Dwight Burke and only slightly better than Ous.
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The AF has far fewer Filipino citizens than the Navy. The treaty specified actual numbers and the Navy got the majority. I think that is due to tradition. The USN used Filipinos as Messmen, Stewards, and Officer's Coop Cleaners on ships going back to 1900 whereas the Air Corps only started using them in the 1920's and service was restricted to our bases in the Commonwealth so Filipinos weren't emigrating to CONUS as they were in the USN through PCS moves.
As for carriers, we are now down to 10, I believe. That is almost half the number of just a few years ago. I will not disagree that carriers are important but I would question the mix of airframes. I am the son and grandson of fighter pilots and flew F 16s but I have to disagree that we need the Raptor and the JSX. The paradigm of air-air engagements fell with the Berlin Wall. Having a CAP capability is important but what we really need is more attack assets. A lot of Navy guys bemoaned the decomm of the F 14 but she was nothing more than a spectator in the AOR.
Thank you for the history listen, keefe! I mean that sincerely too, not sarcastically. radome might be unhappy with me, but there isn't much I know about the military, much less my own Navy outside of BUMED (USN Bureau of Medicine and Surgery).
As far as the aircraft carriers, though, haha, I was referring to Al's aircraft carriers, not the kinds that we were supposed to play OSU on last year.
I hope the USS Satchel and USS Diamond make Marquette their homeport.
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Thank you for the history listen, keefe! I mean that sincerely too, not sarcastically. radome might be unhappy with me, but there isn't much I know about the military, much less my own Navy outside of BUMED (USN Bureau of Medicine and Surgery).
As far as the aircraft carriers, though, haha, I was referring to Al's aircraft carriers, not the kinds that we were supposed to play OSU on last year.
I hope the USS Satchel and USS Diamond make Marquette their homeport.
God bless Navy Pecker Checkers, Doc! The only reason I'm here today is because a random Black Hawk with four fully equipped Navy Corpsmen happened to be within 7 minutes of our pos after our team got hit. They stabilized two of us during the ride to Bagram. I don't recall a second of it but I'll never forget them.
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If Novak is a "big", then so are Jae and Jamil Wilson... which means MU isn't that bad at getting bigs, right?
Novak was 6'10'' and led the team in rebounding when he was a Sr. No he did not play the 5. Not sure what the real definition of a big is other than maybe 6'8" an plays mainly inside.
By the way some people now say Crowder is 6' 5". He did play inside however. Wilson--who knows. Some on this board say he can play some point.
And in answer to your question: Wrong!
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Classifying Steve Novak as a "big" tells you all you need to know about willie's abilities to analyze basketball players. Seriously, the guy is a very tall wing player. A switchable as it were.
That's enough of my end of this debate with him. This team was an E8 team last year with GD and CO...yet those players aren't good enough to get us to a FF? Puh-leeze...
So that is your prediction then Captain Obvious--FF.
I threw Novak in there because he was 6' 10" and led the team in rebounding. I am well aware he plays the wing. Now let us hear your fantastic abilities to analyze talent, Mr. "Otule is better than Gardner" Crickets!
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Who said that Otule is better than Gardner? He is a better defender and defensive rebounder, but DG is clearly the best offensive post presence since the RJax on the 03 team. So, IMO, in the last 10 years, the best big man MU has had is Gardner. Merritt may be second, I was just never a fan. IMO, Otule is the 3rd (by a hair) best big of the last 10 years at MU.
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Who said that Otule is better than Gardner? He is a better defender and defensive rebounder, but DG is clearly the best offensive post presence since the RJax on the 03 team. So, IMO, in the last 10 years, the best big man MU has had is Gardner. Merritt may be second, I was just never a fan. IMO, Otule is the 3rd (by a hair) best big of the last 10 years at MU.
Gardner has butter-soft hands. Merritt had bricks. It's a world of difference when it comes to those lightening quick passes down-low.
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So that is your prediction then Captain Obvious--FF.
I threw Novak in there because he was 6' 10" and led the team in rebounding. I am well aware he plays the wing. Now let us hear your fantastic abilities to analyze talent, Mr. "Otule is better than Gardner" Crickets!
R.I.F. I never said that.
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God bless Navy Pecker Checkers, Doc! The only reason I'm here today is because a random Black Hawk with four fully equipped Navy Corpsmen happened to be within 7 minutes of our pos after our team got hit. They stabilized two of us during the ride to Bagram. I don't recall a second of it but I'll never forget them.
My dad was a Navy corpsmen in 1964 & 1965. The story I got from my mom was the Navy was pushing hard for him to re-enlist. He apparently wanted to, but he knew if he re-enlisted they would assign him to the Marines since they didn't have there own corpsmen and he would be on the front line in Vietnam. He saw how badly shot up and heard stories from the wounded who were evacuated to his ship that he wanted no part of it.
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They could not have guarded CO when he was a freshman wearing a cast. Part of the Majerus-Dukiet transitional era. (shudder)
And don't dis Chris. Second best MU big of the last decade, and the best defensive big.
I don't mean to dis CO. I remember reading a article last year about how they had to slow down the offense just to get him involved, because of his eye. It seems counter-productive to what for this guy to solidly post to get him the ball, especially when his post production is nowhere near DG. I think bigs that could catch and finish in multiple situations (fast breaks, bullet passes, tips, etc.) would be a little better. Like I said, I don't know Mueller or the other guy or how bad they were.
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Novak was 6'10'' and led the team in rebounding when he was a Sr. No he did not play the 5. Not sure what the real definition of a big is other than maybe 6'8" an plays mainly inside.
By the way some people now say Crowder is 6' 5". He did play inside however. Wilson--who knows. Some on this board say he can play some point.
And in answer to your question: Wrong!
Steve also led the team in 3pters. Not many "bigs" are jacking up 259 3pt attempts per season. Steve is a stretch 4. Just like Jae. Just like Jamil. You could also call them a "combo forward" if you wanted. Steve Taylor might also be developing in the same manner.
If you want to talk about true post players (guys who score points in the post, and make a defensive impact in the post), then you have to exclude these guys.
If you just want to talk about guys who play "4" or "5", then you have to include them.
I know this is a bunch of semantics, but really, I think it's important to set the parameters clearly.
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In a related note, I truly believe that Buzz could win a NC without a true big and with 3 stretch 4's rotating between the ostensible 4 and 5 positions, especially if they can make 3's. As a matter of fact, my personal dream team plays a 9 man rotation. 2 pgs, 3 stretch 4's in the 6'8-6'10 range, and 4 switchables between 6'4 and 6'7. Buzz could win a NC with that.
For example, give me these MU players from the last 5 years as a nine man rotation and a NC would be in the bag.
Butler, Lazar, Jae, JWilson, Wes, DJO, Blue, DJames, and Buycks. No one over 6'7. But those 9, playing like they did in their final years at MU, wins it all.
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In a related note, I truly believe that Buzz could win a NC without a true big and with 3 stretch 4's rotating between the ostensible 4 and 5 positions, especially if they can make 3's. As a matter of fact, my personal dream team plays a 9 man rotation. 2 pgs, 3 stretch 4's in the 6'8-6'10 range, and 4 switchables between 6'4 and 6'7. Buzz could win a NC with that.
For example, give me these MU players from the last 5 years as a nine man rotation and a NC would be in the bag.
Butler, Lazar, Jae, JWilson, Wes, DJO, Blue, DJames, and Junior. No one over 6'7. But those 9, playing like they did in their final years at MU, wins it all.
kinda similar to the philosophy behind the Miami Heat roster makeup. before you say it, yes, i realize lebron is on the heat and not at marquette.
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In a related note, I truly believe that Buzz could win a NC without a true big and with 3 stretch 4's rotating between the ostensible 4 and 5 positions, especially if they can make 3's. As a matter of fact, my personal dream team plays a 9 man rotation. 2 pgs, 3 stretch 4's in the 6'8-6'10 range, and 4 switchables between 6'4 and 6'7. Buzz could win a NC with that.
For example, give me these MU players from the last 5 years as a nine man rotation and a NC would be in the bag.
Butler, Lazar, Jae, JWilson, Wes, DJO, Blue, DJames, and Buycks. No one over 6'7. But those 9, playing like they did in their final years at MU, wins it all.
That would not do it....it might get to the Final Four but not win it....come on now. I would atleast have to have Dwight Burke or Ousmane Barro in there and definitely Novak.
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Novak is outside the self-imposed 5 year window, as is Ooze. Actually, I am wondering if you forgot the teal.
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For example, give me these MU players from the last 5 years as a nine man rotation and a NC would be in the bag.
Butler, Lazar, Jae, JWilson, Wes, DJO, Blue, DJames, and Buycks. No one over 6'7. But those 9, playing like they did in their final years at MU, wins it all.
They'd certainly be a strong contender, though I'm not sure I'd pick Buycks. He may be in the NBA, but I honestly think I'd take Acker as a senior over Buycks. It'd give us a pair of midget PGs, but Acker was ridiculously reliable from long range, had an incredible 3:1 A:T ratio, and only 3 times turned the ball over more than 2 times (and never once more than 4). If not for DJ's defense, on that team you could make an argument for Acker as a senior starting at the PG position.
For fun...my starting 5:
C Lazar Hayward
PF Jae Crowder
SF Wesley Matthews
SG Vander Blue
PG Dominic James
Bench: Jimmy Butler, DJO, Jamil Wilson, Maurice Acker
Wes edges JFB for the starting spot because he was a more dynamic scorer, and with Hayward and Crowder we have great low-post defense. I also think Jimmy is better as the switchblade type player that can spell any of the starting 3. Van edges DJO because of size and defense. While DJO was the better shooter and scorer, we have plenty of options for both throughout the lineup, so Blue starts over the guy he replaced.
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I chose Buycks because (a) he could back up at the point (b) could play SG next to DJ and (C) has the size to switch on defense. I originally had Cadougan and considered Acker, but both seemed too one-dimensional to me.
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R.I.F. I never said that.
Sorry Studley--Jan. 23, 2011 post (look it up): "Otule is our best big man", and you were including Gardner. Now that we have cleared that up, let's denigrate your basketball knowledge. Why not end it instead of personal attacks?
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Steve also led the team in 3pters. Not many "bigs" are jacking up 259 3pt attempts per season. Steve is a stretch 4. Just like Jae. Just like Jamil. You could also call them a "combo forward" if you wanted. Steve Taylor might also be developing in the same manner.
If you want to talk about true post players (guys who score points in the post, and make a defensive impact in the post), then you have to exclude these guys.
If you just want to talk about guys who play "4" or "5", then you have to include them.
I know this is a bunch of semantics, but really, I think it's important to set the parameters clearly.
OK--then you best exclude Otule--because at about a 5 point career average, he is not a guy that scores points in the post--unless you consider that as scoring bunches in the post. You are right, it is a bunch of semantics.
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OK--then you best exclude Otule--because at about a 5 point career average, he is not a guy that scores points in the post--unless you consider that as scoring bunches in the post. You are right, it is a bunch of semantics.
It's not about the VOLUME of scoring, it's about WHERE the player does his scoring, and where he spends his time on offense & defense.
And yes, it's semantics, but if you want to have a real conversation and evaluation of MU's post players, you need to set the parameters correctly. Either you incorrectly listed Novak as a post player... OR you omitted Jae and Jamil Wilson.
It's not that difficult.
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I don't mean to dis CO. I remember reading a article last year about how they had to slow down the offense just to get him involved, because of his eye. It seems counter-productive to what for this guy to solidly post to get him the ball, especially when his post production is nowhere near DG. I think bigs that could catch and finish in multiple situations (fast breaks, bullet passes, tips, etc.) would be a little better. Like I said, I don't know Mueller or the other guy or how bad they were.
Didn't see that article, but a good coach and a good team plays to the team's strengths and mitigates the weaknesses. If MU is a better team if they play a bit slower when Otule is on the court, then you'd have to be an idiot not to slow the tempo down. You don't need the best guy at every position, you need the best gameplan for the talent you have. For as much as we criticize Bo and the molasses-envy offense they play, the guy sure knows how to win with corn-fed nobodies.
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Back to travon bunch
Future150.com 1st Team: Lance Tejada, Dominic Magee, Kareem Wright, Mike Davis Jr., Terry Holt, Jahmeel Watts, Tyrell Clary, Dwain Whitfield, Travon Bunch
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God bless Navy Pecker Checkers, Doc! The only reason I'm here today is because a random Black Hawk with four fully equipped Navy Corpsmen happened to be within 7 minutes of our pos after our team got hit. They stabilized two of us during the ride to Bagram. I don't recall a second of it but I'll never forget them.
did you get shot down in the 'Stan?
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Didn't see that article, but a good coach and a good team plays to the team's strengths and mitigates the weaknesses. If MU is a better team if they play a bit slower when Otule is on the court, then you'd have to be an idiot not to slow the tempo down. You don't need the best guy at every position, you need the best gameplan for the talent you have. For as much as we criticize Bo and the molasses-envy offense they play, the guy sure knows how to win with corn-fed nobodies.
They certainly had to play slower at the beginning of the year, when he was basically dragging his leg up and down the court. By the end of the year, I do not think they had to wait for him any more than they had to wait for Gardner.
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did you get shot down in the 'Stan?
I was in AFSOC as a Special Tactics Air Liaison Officer. We went behind the lines to schwack bad guys to provide precision delivery of lethal air power in either a direct support, interdiction, or ISR role . Teams consist of fighter pilots, communicators, Rangers, Seals, and Force Recon shooters. I caught a couple AK rounds in the back. Bad day in Jalalabad.
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What's the latest on Bunch?
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What's the latest on Bunch?
Highly unlikely.
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Sorry Studley--Jan. 23, 2011 post (look it up): "Otule is our best big man", and you were including Gardner. Now that we have cleared that up, let's denigrate your basketball knowledge. Why not end it instead of personal attacks?
LOL....yes you are correct. Back in January of DG's freshman year I did say that.
And I was right then.
Good think he improved.
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I was in AFSOC as a Special Tactics Air Liaison Officer. We went behind the lines to schwack bad guys to provide precision delivery of lethal air power in either a direct support, interdiction, or ISR role . Teams consist of fighter pilots, communicators, Rangers, Seals, and Force Recon shooters. I caught a couple AK rounds in the back. Bad day in Jalalabad.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_terminal_attack_controller
First picture: Is it typical for the other guy to be taking pictures while you're directing traffic? If so, it's no wonder you got shot in the back.
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Has there been any sign that Buzz and staff have even talked to Bunch in the past year? Last thing I heard about him pertaining to Marquette was that he was at Marquette Madness...in 2012
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Has there been any sign that Buzz and staff have even talked to Bunch in the past year? Last thing I heard about him pertaining to Marquette was that he was at Marquette Madness...in 2012
No. Kenosha Warrior said as such. I don't think MU has much if any interest.
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No. Kenosha Warrior said as such. I don't think MU has much if any interest.
I agree that we haven't had interest. But that could change. Bunch was named first team at future150s camp and more recruiting experts have been mentioning him. If his stock rises, Buzz could decide to revisit his recruitment.
That being said, Buzz has been much more interested in Satchel Pierce and I think he is the more likely commit.
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I simply don't think so. Buzz doesn't base his recruiting off rankings. He bases off what he sees in a player. Unless the guy completely blows up this HS season, we have seen that he has already has feelers out for other potential bigs. Bunch isn't in that group.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_terminal_attack_controller
First picture: Is it typical for the other guy to be taking pictures while you're directing traffic? If so, it's no wonder you got shot in the back.
That pic isn't very representative of AFSOC ops. Those guys are in a TOC directing CAS in a set piece operation. Our teams are almost always independent and covert.
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LOL....yes you are correct. Back in January of DG's freshman year I did say that.
And I was right then.
Good think he improved.
Your credibility is gone when you said that. And by the way, Gardner was better than Otule even then. But of course you believe you were right. You are after all, a legend in your own mind.
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That pic isn't very representative of AFSOC ops. Those guys are in a TOC directing CAS in a set piece operation. Our teams are almost always independent and covert.
He looked pretty covert to me... how else do you explain the ND mascot beard?
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Your credibility is gone when you said that. And by the way, Gardner was better than Otule even then. But of course you believe you were right. You are after all, a legend in your own mind.
There is absolutely no way that you could look at them back on January 23, 2011 and claim Davante was better. He was coming off a couple DNPs and some single digit minute games to start the BE season. He was out of shape, couldn't defends, and racked up most of his points against poor opponents.
Otule was a solid, double digit minute guy who was doing a little bit of everything.
Now by the end of the year, Gardner started to emerge. But at that point Otule was clearly better.
But if you need to feel better about yourself that you have to go back two and a half years ago to prove me wrong, more power to you.
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Your credibility is gone when you said that. And by the way, Gardner was better than Otule even then. But of course you believe you were right. You are after all, a legend in your own mind.
And there are probably 2 people on this board that actually believe Gardner was better at that time. He simply wasn't. He was completely a one-dimensional player. Gardner added low-post scoring but couldn't play a lick of defense.
Look at the numbers in the 10 games prior to that post by Sultan:
Gardner: 43 minutes played, 4/9 FGs, 10 points, 7 rebounds, 1 block, 2 DNPs
Otule: 150 minutes played, 16/31 FGs, 41 points, 21 rebounds, 6 blocks, 0 DNPs
And trust me...you really don't want to discount the best performance by each player. 70% of Gardner's scoring in that stretch came against Mississippi Valley State. Otule did also have one game bigger than the rest...but that was against Vanderbilt. Otule was far and away our best big man that season. Only an idiot would contend otherwise.
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There is absolutely no way that you could look at them back on January 23, 2011 and claim Davante was better. He was coming off a couple DNPs and some single digit minute games to start the BE season. He was out of shape, couldn't defends, and racked up most of his points against poor opponents.
Otule was a solid, double digit minute guy who was doing a little bit of everything.
Now by the end of the year, Gardner started to emerge. But at that point Otule was clearly better.
But if you need to feel better about yourself that you have to go back two and a half years ago to prove me wrong, more power to you.
No, you said you never said--so you proved yourself wrong didn't you. Hope you feel good too.
And I get a real kick out "doing a little bit of everything"--whatever that means. As I recall Gardner's points per minute were better than Otule's even then. Gradner was just arrived, Otule already had two years on him. I still get a kick out of the Otule love. Next Roy Hibbert, etc. After being at MU for 6 years, I sure hope he will do a little bit of everything. But a career 5PPG, and what 3 or 4 RPG after that time does not get me as excited as the Great Sultan.
Yeah, I like Otule, but I just see things differently than the great Analysis of Sultan, who continues to expound on his keen basketball analysis.
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Stop. You're embarrassing me.
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No, you said you never said--so you proved yourself wrong didn't you. Hope you feel good too.
And I get a real kick out "doing a little bit of everything"--whatever that means. As I recall Gardner's points per minute were better than Otule's even then. Gradner was just arrived, Otule already had two years on him. I still get a kick out of the Otule love. Next Roy Hibbert, etc. After being at MU for 6 years, I sure hope he will do a little bit of everything. But a career 5PPG, and what 3 or 4 RPG after that time does not get me as excited as the Great Sultan.
Yeah, I like Otule, but I just see things differently than the great Analysis of Sultan, who continues to expound on his keen basketball analysis.
willie, you are maybe the most foolish, clueless poster I have ever experienced. I could completely deconstruct that entire post, but it'd be a waste of time because the effort would be lost on you.
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There is absolutely no way that you could look at them back on January 23, 2011 and claim Davante was better. He was coming off a couple DNPs and some single digit minute games to start the BE season. He was out of shape, couldn't defends, and racked up most of his points against poor opponents.
Otule was a solid, double digit minute guy who was doing a little bit of everything.
Now by the end of the year, Gardner started to emerge. But at that point Otule was clearly better.
But if you need to feel better about yourself that you have to go back two and a half years ago to prove me wrong, more power to you.
He did not play, because of a shoulder injury. Prior to the injury he was better than Otule on the offensive end. He has never been better than Otule on the defensive end. He has always been a better rebounder although his rebounds generally come on the offensive end.
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He did not play, because of a shoulder injury. Prior to the injury he was better than Otule on the offensive end. He has never been better than Otule on the defensive end. He has always been a better rebounder although his rebounds generally come on the offensive end.
I'd love to see the numbers if you discounted Gardner rebounding his own misses. I have no idea what the results would be, but it wouldn't surprise me if a third of DG's rebounds were from his own misses.
Also...not disputing DG has always been a better offensive player than CO, but Chris was hurt more that season because Buycks was running the point. Chris' disability hurt him even more when half the entry passes to him were bounce passes.
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I'd love to see the numbers if you discounted Gardner rebounding his own misses. I have no idea what the results would be, but it wouldn't surprise me if a third of DG's rebounds were from his own misses.
Also...not disputing DG has always been a better offensive player than CO, but Chris was hurt more that season because Buycks was running the point. Chris' disability hurt him even more when half the entry passes to him were bounce passes.
I have no problem with a player increasing his rebounding stats by rebounding his own misses when that same player has the highest FG% on the team. Missing a shot and not getting the rebound is hardly a virtue, it's often a lost possession.
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I'd love to see the numbers if you discounted Gardner rebounding his own misses. I have no idea what the results would be, but it wouldn't surprise me if a third of DG's rebounds were from his own misses.
Also...not disputing DG has always been a better offensive player than CO, but Chris was hurt more that season because Buycks was running the point. Chris' disability hurt him even more when half the entry passes to him were bounce passes.
I have no problem discounting DG's rebounds of his own misses if you also don't count a rebounded miss as a field goal attempt. His rebounding totals would suffer, but his already off the charts FG% would be through the roof.
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In discounting rebounding his own misses, I meant more to analyze how good a rebounder he actually is. That's what made Rodman so good, he had such a sense of reading how the ball was going to come off and despite often being the smallest guy in the frontcourt, he still managed to get to the ball nearly every time. It's easier to get your own misses because the ball is usually going to come right back to you.
Not meant as a criticism of Davante, he's an excellent offensive player and I am overjoyed we have a center of his caliber, I'm just curious how his rebounding stacks up when other people shoot. That's more what I meant. Not so much ignoring his own misses, but what his (and CO's, and others) rebounding percentage is on other players' shots.
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Only on Scoop, can a conversation about a Racine Horlick recruit morph into an argument about Steve Novak being a big.
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In discounting rebounding his own misses, I meant more to analyze how good a rebounder he actually is. That's what made Rodman so good, he had such a sense of reading how the ball was going to come off and despite often being the smallest guy in the frontcourt, he still managed to get to the ball nearly every time. It's easier to get your own misses because the ball is usually going to come right back to you.
Not meant as a criticism of Davante, he's an excellent offensive player and I am overjoyed we have a center of his caliber, I'm just curious how his rebounding stacks up when other people shoot. That's more what I meant. Not so much ignoring his own misses, but what his (and CO's, and others) rebounding percentage is on other players' shots.
I agree with you that his rebounding stats are skewed - he's not as good as his numbers would suggest. But offensively, he's even more off the charts than his FG% would indicate.
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Only on Scoop, can a conversation about a Racine Horlick recruit morph into an argument about Steve Novak being a big.
+1
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2010-11
Otule 651 min off reb 58 def reb 76 total rebounds 134
Gardner 296 min off reb 35 def reb 38 total rebs 73
double Gardner's number
592 min off reb 70 def reb 76 total rebounds 146
Yes Gardner was rebounding on the offensive boards at a greater pace than Otule, but he was also rebounding on the defensive boards at a greater pace.
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Tom Crean sucks.
There, somebody said it.
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2010-11
Otule 651 min off reb 58 def reb 76 total rebounds 134
Gardner 296 min off reb 35 def reb 38 total rebs 73
double Gardner's number
592 min off reb 70 def reb 76 total rebounds 146
Yes Gardner was rebounding on the offensive boards at a greater pace than Otule, but he was also rebounding on the defensive boards at a greater pace.
"And that's the fact, Jack!"
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2010-11
Otule 651 min off reb 58 def reb 76 total rebounds 134
Gardner 296 min off reb 35 def reb 38 total rebs 73
double Gardner's number
592 min off reb 70 def reb 76 total rebounds 146
Yes Gardner was rebounding on the offensive boards at a greater pace than Otule, but he was also rebounding on the defensive boards at a greater pace.
I specifically said in the last post I made I'm not trying to compare CO and DG, so this really had no relevance.
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I'd love to see the numbers if you discounted Gardner rebounding his own misses. I have no idea what the results would be, but it wouldn't surprise me if a third of DG's rebounds were from his own misses.
I posted the stats , because of this post.
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I posted the stats , because of this post.
I realize that, but that post had two separate points about DG and CO, neither of which was meant as a comparison.
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http://www.allmetrohoops.com/index.php/recruiting-news/87-news-articles/133-trevon-bunch-expected-to-explode-this-summer
Travon Bunch has reclassified to the 2015 class. Will be playing ball for Mt. Zion Academy in North Carolina.
Travon mentioned Marquette by name.
He had this to say about Marquette, “I like their style of play. It’s just they are missing a solid big man.” He believes he could help them solve that problem if he chooses them.
Averaged 15 points, 7 boards, and 3 blocks for Horlick High last season.
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http://www.allmetrohoops.com/index.php/recruiting-news/87-news-articles/133-trevon-bunch-expected-to-explode-this-summer
Travon Bunch has reclassified to the 2015 class. Will be playing ball for Mt. Zion Academy in North Carolina.
Travon mentioned Marquette by name.
Averaged 15 points, 7 boards, and 3 blocks for Horlick High last season.
He wasn't at Horlick High last season. I believe that those numbers are probably from Mt. Zion, although they could also be from his first semester team, St. Louis Christian Academy.
Since the article you quote predates the coaching change, I'm not certain that Marquette is still recruiting Travon. He may, in fact, epitomize the kind of player that made MU squeamish about Buzz.
A quote from the article regarding Marquette; "It’s just they are missing a solid big man” might cause one to question his basketball IQ, particularly in regards to PG play.
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Travon is now listed as a player for Georgia Prep Sports Academy in Atlanta, GA. He has an offer from Tennessee, and is visiting there in August.
Does anyone know the record for the number of high schools attended by a Division I basketball player?
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Looks like Travon has a positive feeling toward Marquette. Hopefully he does well this year on both the academic and athletic front this year. An extra year will be a great thing for him.
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Does anyone know the record for the number of high schools attended by a Division I basketball player?
Todd Mayo?
*Runs out of thread*
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Looks like Travon has a positive feeling toward Marquette. Hopefully he does well this year on both the academic and athletic front this year. An extra year will be a great thing for him.
I guarantee that Wojo has zero interest.
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Travon is now listed as a player for Georgia Prep Sports Academy in Atlanta, GA. He has an offer from Tennessee, and is visiting there in August.
Does anyone know the record for the number of high schools attended by a Division I basketball player?
It's a lot higher than Bunch... and one of the most crazy high school / JUCO / D-I / ?? paths I've seen... Chris Thomas... is now a free agent. He's extraordinarily talented. Might be done at this level, though.
Bunch.. running with an excellent Atlanta Celtics team this spring/summer.. fairly pedestrian numbers, especially for his team. About a 15% usage guy, turnovers too high, can of course help on defense.. just has to show more over the next several weeks.
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^^^ Woah, was speaking on my guy BIG CHRIS NBA!
Anyway, word is Bunch has committed to South Carolina.
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Jerry Meyer @jerrymeyer247 2m2 minutes ago
South Carolina adds a big man to its 2015 class per @ehoopsshowcase http://bit.ly/1DX4ElB @TheBigSpur247
South Carolina adds 2015 center
Frank Martin has added center Travon Bunch to the South Carolina 2015 recruiting class according to recruiting analyst Horace Neysmith.
Originally from Racine, Wisconsin, Bunch is 6-11, 230-pounds and attending Georgia Prep Sports Academy in Atlanta, Georgia.
Bunch, a three-star prospect who also had been offered by DePaul, Iowa State, Tennessee and others, joins 247Sports five-star Perry Dozier and four-star Chris Silva in the South Carolina recruiting class. The recruiting class is ranked No. 31 in the 247Sports Composite Team Recruiting Rankings.