or is this a practical joke?
Is this the 4:59 event?
Serious.
Jesus what happened?
FromRags2Riches@ShowTime_McKay6m
After long talk with family I will be transferring from MU great place and program now I'm looking forward to searching for a new Home
FromRags2Riches@ShowTime_McKay4m
I appreciate coaching staff and fans no hard feelings at all GoodLuck to them this year
Quote from: xghostsniperx on October 17, 2013, 11:03:51 AM
Jesus what happened?
When Jae left we retired dreadlocks. The administration realized their mistake in signing Jameel and has remedied the situation.
wow!
I don't get it. Why go through bootcamp and March Madness and leave right after?
Not enough PT? Room for Pierce and Miller.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on October 17, 2013, 11:06:18 AM
When Jae left we retired dreadlocks. The administration realized their mistake in signing Jameel and has remedied the situation.
are you serious or are you joking?
Quote from: kmwtrucks on October 17, 2013, 11:08:29 AM
are you serious or are you joking?
No no, are YOU serious or are you joking?
With the front line as deep as it is I cant say I'm shocked. We'll be fine with Jamil, Steve, Chris and DG. Good luck to McKay wherever he ends up.
Gone! Moving on. No reason giving. Wishes program well.
Good lord, can't these people let a podcast stay relevant for longer than 5 days? I mean seriously
Gotta wish the kid the best of luck. Tough to play 2 years of JuCo only to transfer before your first D1 season starts.
Hopefully he finds the right place for himself.
The really bad news is that this is going to draw the naturally unhappy people back to scoop for a while.
He tweeted it himself (if you don't follow him, he's kind of a trip on twitter), so I think it's for real.
Always Be Recruiting
Quote from: MUEagle1090 on October 17, 2013, 11:10:10 AM
With the front line as deep as it is I cant say I'm shocked. We'll be fine with Jamil, Steve, Chris and DG. Good luck to McKay wherever he ends up.
Yes but 3 of those 4 are gone next year...
Quote from: Abode4life on October 17, 2013, 11:13:31 AM
Yes but 3 of those 4 are gone next year...
NOBODY and I mean NOBODY retools on the fly like Brent Williams. We'll be fine.
So .... Steve Taylor freed?
Despite our depth at that position, I have to admit I'm really disappointed in this revelation. Although needing to pack on a few lbs, I was looking forward to seeing McKay's quick hands around the rim.
Transfers always come at a relative shock to me (despite being so blatantly obvious in some cases), primarily causes I (like many) get so wrapped up in these players.
Can't imagine giving up this close to the start of the season, when there were minutes out there for him. I hate to open pandora's box, but there has to be another story/side to this, right?
Quote from: Pakuni on October 17, 2013, 11:15:06 AM
So .... Steve Taylor freed?
He was always going to be freed(potential starter), but those who salivated for a OxTule line-up can pretty much kiss that good bye.
Wow.
I really hope it's not a PT issue. That would be short-sighted by the kid (imho).
Anyways, best of luck to him. Too bad for MU.
Anyone actually following the program saw this coming.
The real question: Will he be edited out of the intro video?
If this is true, my guess would be academics. I can't imagine why else you would go this far and then quit.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on October 17, 2013, 11:22:04 AM
If this is true, my guess would be academics. I can't imagine why else you would go this far and then quit.
Father P is gone now.
Well, if Buzz can't talk him into staying, we will never hear of him again. If the program was too tough, he shouldn't be on the team.
A big man in next year's class is now required. Hope Buzz hits the JUCO trail hard.
This doesn't bother me in the least. Can't worry a nanosecond about some dude who never had the nads to wear a Marquette jockstrap. Next man up.
Quote from: Heavy Gear on October 17, 2013, 11:28:39 AM
A big man in next year's class is now required. Hope Buzz hits the JUCO trail hard.
I would be shocked after this if Buzz goes after another JUCO.
wellput 'forever', but would have liked to see him in action.
Quote from: ecompt on October 17, 2013, 11:31:35 AM
I would be shocked after this if Buzz goes after another JUCO.
Why? Because one JUCO left? After he sent 3 to the NBA?
Quote from: ecompt on October 17, 2013, 11:31:35 AM
I would be shocked after this if Buzz goes after another JUCO.
Don't throw the JUCO out with the bath water.
Interesting that Miller vs. Pierce might now be Miller + Pierce. Good luck Jameel.
This is not Jameel's fault. A sudden growth spurt caused him to exceed the height limit for a MU big man.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on October 17, 2013, 11:32:42 AM
Why? Because one JUCO left? After he sent 3 to the NBA?
No, because after that last incident on campus he was being very careful as to who he brought in. Now this. I'm not saying never, but I think he'd rather go the freshmen-coming-in route.
Quote from: tower912 on October 17, 2013, 11:08:24 AM
Not enough PT? Room for Pierce and Miller.
Not happening
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 17, 2013, 11:29:23 AM
This doesn't bother me in the least. Can't worry a nanosecond about some dude who never had the nads to wear a Marquette jockstrap. Next man up.
Yeah--like your boy Looney. ;)
Quote from: ecompt on October 17, 2013, 11:40:12 AM
No, because after that last incident on campus he was being very careful as to who he brought in. Now this. I'm not saying never, but I think he'd rather go the freshmen-coming-in route.
Ah ... so we're back the old disproven "JUCOs are bad people" thing.
Thought we were through with this by 2011.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on October 17, 2013, 11:32:42 AM
Why? Because one JUCO left? After he sent 3 to the NBA?
Exactly! Buzz will always be good with recruiting JUCO's. Sad to see McKay leave...sure there is a good reason - whether it be academics, PT concerns, or perhaps fitting the culture of the MU program - whatever the case, wish Jameel the best and sorry we won't get to see him play at MU.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on October 17, 2013, 11:32:42 AM
Why? Because one JUCO left? After he sent 3 to the NBA?
Let us not forget TJ Taylor who made it for only a few weeks.
Quote from: Pakuni on October 17, 2013, 11:44:25 AM
Ah ... so we're back the old disproven "JUCOs are bad people" thing.
Thought we were through with this by 2011.
Not saying anyone is a bad person. Buzz has had success with JUCOs, he's also had setbacks.
McKay being a JUCO with only 2 years of eligibility and our depth at the position this season is enough to take the sting out of this.
Quote from: We R Final Four on October 17, 2013, 11:43:25 AM
Yeah--like your boy Looney. ;)
Apples to oranges comparison. Just so you know, I don't worry about Kevon either. He'll be just fine.
Quote from: LittleMurs on October 17, 2013, 11:45:19 AM
Let us not forget TJ Taylor who made it for only a few weeks.
Not exactly a JUCO, though. He was a transfer who spent a year playing JUCO ball rather than sit out two consecutive seasons.
I have to think its the classroom. Really liked the depth he gave us, scholarship table in state of flux again!
Quote from: Pakuni on October 17, 2013, 11:52:15 AM
Not exactly a JUCO, though. He was a transfer who spent a year playing JUCO ball rather than sit out two consecutive seasons.
I'll have my lawyer give your lawyer a call.
Quote from: ecompt on October 17, 2013, 11:48:25 AM
Not saying anyone is a bad person. Buzz has had success with JUCOs, he's also had setbacks.
That's like saying a stock broker hit with some tech stocks and didn't with others....he should stop recommending tech stocks all together.
Does this open up a scholie this year then that Buzz could give maybe to Dylan Flood.
The move to keep Pilarz on longer can be blamed for this. Had Wild been the guy October 16 as previously planned I think we all know where things would sit.
Jabari Parker in a mid-year transfer to reunited with Steve would work for me.
I personally can't blame the guy. Would only have had 1 year in which he would have competed for a starting spot with probably Steve. Barring no changes (commitments) Steve is probably gonna play the Crowder/Hayward role next year.
Quote from: LittleMurs on October 17, 2013, 11:58:51 AM
I'll have my lawyer give your lawyer a call.
Did I hurt your feelings?
Quote from: marquette20 on October 17, 2013, 12:07:29 PM
Does this open up a scholie this year then that Buzz could give maybe to Dylan Flood.
Any chance you are Dylan Flood asking if you don't have to make this month's tuition payment?? ;D
Would lean toward academics or just some other private personal issue. Hard to think a 6'9" kid who was on campus a few months had already been relegated to the bench or didn't think it possible to get playing time. And he's a local so it can't be homesickness. Not at all worried about this year, but pretty concerned for next year.
Quote from: Jay Bee on October 17, 2013, 12:09:02 PM
The move to keep Pilarz on longer can be blamed for this. Had Wild been the guy October 16 as previously planned I think we all know where things would sit.
Quoi? Father Wild resumed his duties yesterday.
Good luck Jameel!!!!
IWB posted this-
"As discussed on the premium board, Juco transfer and Milwaukee native Jameel McKay is leaving Marquette before ever playing in a game. Not sure what his reasons are, but I had heard it was mainly due to not being happy with playing the 5 spot.
Best of luck to Jameel wherever he goes.
Despite immediate internet rumors, this is not due to grades, it was his decision and the MU staff tried to talk him out of it, but were not successful."
http://www.brewcityball.com/forums/showthread.php?5489-Jameel-McKay-to-leave-MU
Maybe he thought Steve hogged the mic too much at MU Madness.
Will he pull a Juan?
Quote from: MUfan12 on October 17, 2013, 12:14:46 PM
IWB posted this-
"As discussed on the premium board, Juco transfer and Milwaukee native Jameel McKay is leaving Marquette before ever playing in a game. Not sure what his reasons are, but I had heard it was mainly due to not being happy with playing the 5 spot.
Best of luck to Jameel wherever he goes.
Despite immediate internet rumors, this is not due to grades, it was his decision and the MU staff tried to talk him out of it, but were not successful."
http://www.brewcityball.com/forums/showthread.php?5489-Jameel-McKay-to-leave-MU
If true, better now then mid-season and have a Reggie Smith situation where he never plays but no one knows why
Quote from: MUfan12 on October 17, 2013, 12:14:46 PM
IWB posted this-
"As discussed on the premium board, Juco transfer and Milwaukee native Jameel McKay is leaving Marquette before ever playing in a game. Not sure what his reasons are, but I had heard it was mainly due to not being happy with playing the 5 spot.
Best of luck to Jameel wherever he goes.
Despite immediate internet rumors, this is not due to grades, it was his decision and the MU staff tried to talk him out of it, but were not successful."
http://www.brewcityball.com/forums/showthread.php?5489-Jameel-McKay-to-leave-MU
Playing the 5 at MU turned out OK for Jimmy and Lazar
Quote from: MUfan12 on October 17, 2013, 12:14:46 PM
IWB posted this-
"As discussed on the premium board, Juco transfer and Milwaukee native Jameel McKay is leaving Marquette before ever playing in a game. Not sure what his reasons are, but I had heard it was mainly due to not being happy with playing the 5 spot.
Best of luck to Jameel wherever he goes.
Despite immediate internet rumors, this is not due to grades, it was his decision and the MU staff tried to talk him out of it, but were not successful."
http://www.brewcityball.com/forums/showthread.php?5489-Jameel-McKay-to-leave-MU
I don't believe this for a second. It has to be academics, and I blame Larry and Pilarz.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on October 17, 2013, 11:19:39 AM
Wow.
I really hope it's not a PT issue. That would be short-sighted by the kid (imho).
Anyways, best of luck to him. Too bad for MU.
He should of redshirted, especially since by transferring he will end up redshirting anyways.
Quote from: starting5 on October 17, 2013, 12:21:05 PM
Playing the 5 at MU turned out OK for Jimmy and Lazar
Yep, if this is really the case, hope he doesn't let the door hit him on the way out.
Quote from: bilsu on October 17, 2013, 12:28:11 PM
He should of redshirted, especially since by transferring he will end up redshirting anyways.
Seriously - simple analysis of the situation, really. But he probably thought he'd end up playing the 5 next year also.
Quote from: MUfan12 on October 17, 2013, 12:14:46 PM
IWB posted this-
"As discussed on the premium board, Juco transfer and Milwaukee native Jameel McKay is leaving Marquette before ever playing in a game. Not sure what his reasons are, but I had heard it was mainly due to not being happy with playing the 5 spot.
Best of luck to Jameel wherever he goes.
Despite immediate internet rumors, this is not due to grades, it was his decision and the MU staff tried to talk him out of it, but were not successful."
http://www.brewcityball.com/forums/showthread.php?5489-Jameel-McKay-to-leave-MU
Cough...Jeronne...cough...Maymon. Good luck to the young man, I hope this works out well for him.
he forgot how crappy the weather can be in Milwaukee and got out now before it gets worse
Kid leaves program.
My life is not affected in any way.
(And it's all about me, after all.)
See ya later, Jameel.
Next!
Quote from: 4th and State on October 17, 2013, 11:20:49 AM
Anyone actually following the program saw this coming.
.
Lol. Golden Avalanche actually saw this coming 6 months ago.
All you have to do is pay close attention and read between the lines. It's not that hard.
Almost 6ft 10, with MU losing bigs next year. What did he think would happen. MU to audition his skills at the #4?
Too self centered and not thinking about the team aspect, so best of luck to him. Still don't get the timing of this, since he probably knew what his role would be upon arrival/committment.
Is it fair to assume that McKay saw an Okafor and Cliff Alexander commitment on the horizon?
Quote from: Wade for President on October 17, 2013, 01:10:45 PM
Is it fair to assume that McKay saw an Okafor and Cliff Alexander commitment on the horizon?
Heh...no.
Quote from: MUfan12 on October 17, 2013, 12:14:46 PM
IWB posted this-
"As discussed on the premium board, Juco transfer and Milwaukee native Jameel McKay is leaving Marquette before ever playing in a game. Not sure what his reasons are, but I had heard it was mainly due to not being happy with playing the 5 spot.
Best of luck to Jameel wherever he goes.
Despite immediate internet rumors, this is not due to grades, it was his decision and the MU staff tried to talk him out of it, but were not successful."
http://www.brewcityball.com/forums/showthread.php?5489-Jameel-McKay-to-leave-MU
Trust the coach, man. If coach wants to play you at the 5, you play the 5. Did Buycks want to play the 2? Did Hayward want to play the 5? Crowder the 4? Probably not, but guess what, they listened to the coach and eventually made the NBA.
http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/marq-m-baskbl-mtt.html
I was looking forward to watching this guy. Quite an athlete, great smile, great energy. Bummer.
Quote from: humanlung on October 17, 2013, 12:32:47 PM
Cough...Jeronne...cough...Maymon. Good luck to the young man, I hope this works out well for him.
It's not Pillarz or LW's fault, it's Mr Maymon's fault
Quote from: starting5 on October 17, 2013, 12:21:05 PM
Playing the 5 at MU turned out OK for Jimmy and Lazar
Boom, baby.
If it actually is because of playing time and he didnt want to play the 5. Good riddance. If its for any other reason, thats disappointing and I wish him the best. I think that just about covers it.
Has Buzz ever had a team with 13 scholie players?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 17, 2013, 01:17:08 PM
I was looking forward to watching this guy. Quite an athlete, great smile, great energy. Bummer.
He wasn't gonna have an impact anyway. Probably wise to drop down a level or so in competition and get some playin' time. Gotta think he saw his competition and figured there would likely be more pine time than he desired.
Jeez, I get off Scoop to do some actual work for a couple hours and look what I miss!
This is disappointing news....I was looking forward to how JK was going to turn out after spending some time with Todd Smith.
Was looking forward to Jameel. Milwaukee kids going to MU is a good thing for the city and the university.
I guess a degree from MU isn't worth what it used to be, eh?
Or chasing your dream like a phantasm may have clouded his judgment?
GET THAT DEGREE AND PLAY KID! smh
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 17, 2013, 01:17:08 PM
I was looking forward to watching this guy. Quite an athlete, great smile, great energy. Bummer.
My feelings exactly. Oh, plus he's 6'10".
Stupid question. We already have two very good players who we plan to split at the 5. Why was McKay going to play the 5 this year? If I were him, I wouldn't have been expecting to pay the 5 this year. Definitely a good chance next year. I would think the only way he'd play some 5 this season would be if both DG and CO weren't on the floor, which should be rare.
Quote from: CTWarrior on October 17, 2013, 02:32:15 PM
Stupid question. We already have two very good players who we plan to split at the 5. Why was McKay going to play the 5 this year? If I were him, I wouldn't have been expecting to pay the 5 this year. Definitely a good chance next year. I would think the only way he'd play some 5 this season would be if both DG and CO weren't on the floor, which should be rare.
Insurance for foul trouble and bad knees.
Quote from: CTWarrior on October 17, 2013, 02:32:15 PM
Stupid question. We already have two very good players who we plan to split at the 5. Why was McKay going to play the 5 this year? If I were him, I wouldn't have been expecting to pay the 5 this year. Definitely a good chance next year. I would think the only way he'd play some 5 this season would be if both DG and CO weren't on the floor, which should be rare.
Because it was pretty clear to even the casual Pro Am, Madness watcher, that Jamil, Jaun, Deonte and a healthy Steve were ahead of him at the 3/4...and that DG, CO and again Steve Jr were ahead of him at the 4/5. It was also clear McKay has unusual athleticism, but his body was not yet BE ready. Redshirt at MU where he may have to play that 5 role next year as STJ and Juan will be ahead of him at the 3/4 or transfer now.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 17, 2013, 01:47:06 PM
He wasn't gonna have an impact anyway. Probably wise to drop down a level or so in competition and get some playin' time. Gotta think he saw his competition and figured there would likely be more pine time than he desired.
I thought this guy was supposed to be a JUCO wunderkin....is that wrong? Wasn't he like a finalist for JUCO player of the year and two time First Team All-American? Or am I confusing him with someone else?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 17, 2013, 02:50:42 PM
I thought this guy was supposed to be a JUCO wunderkin....is that wrong? Wasn't he like a finalist for JUCO player of the year and two time First Team All-American? Or am I confusing him with someone else?
He was...when he committed to MU. Now that he's gone, he would have been useless anyway.
This sucks. I hate getting attached to these guys when I know at any time one of them could leave like this. Good luck wherever you go Jameel.
We have two great players at the 5. But injuries happen. I wish McKay well but I also wish he was staying around. You can never have too much quality depth.
Quote from: CTWarrior on October 17, 2013, 02:32:15 PM
Stupid question. We already have two very good players who we plan to split at the 5. Why was McKay going to play the 5 this year? If I were him, I wouldn't have been expecting to pay the 5 this year. Definitely a good chance next year. I would think the only way he'd play some 5 this season would be if both DG and CO weren't on the floor, which should be rare.
For the last time, DG is a POWER FORWARD. Buzz knows it and now you. Discussion closed!!!!! ;D
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on October 17, 2013, 02:53:31 PM
He was...when he committed to MU. Now that he's gone, he would have been useless anyway.
Ha! I was thinking the same thing.
Then again, I doubt the love-him-when-he's-ours, show-him-no-love-when-he's-not deal is unique to Marquette Land.
Quote from: MU82 on October 17, 2013, 03:03:53 PM
Ha! I was thinking the same thing.
Then again, I doubt the love-him-when-he's-ours, show-him-no-love-when-he's-not deal is unique to Marquette Land.
I think he would have taken awhile to adjust to D1 ball...like JFB and Jae before him. But those two weren't afraid to work and fight when facing adversity.
Of all the transfers we have had, this one, along with TJT annoys me the most. If you have given it a shot and simply don't have the talent, that's one thing. If you have a bat sh*t crazy dad, that's another. But to come in and never give it a chance? Cmon....
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on October 17, 2013, 02:48:23 PM
Because it was pretty clear to even the casual Pro Am, Madness watcher, that Jamil, Jaun, Deonte and a healthy Steve were ahead of him at the 3/4...and that DG, CO and again Steve Jr were ahead of him at the 4/5. It was also clear McKay has unusual athleticism, but his body was not yet BE ready. Redshirt at MU where he may have to play that 5 role next year as STJ and Juan will be ahead of him at the 3/4 or transfer now.
Only saw him at Madness but I agree with this. He was an intriguing player but didn't seem able to bang with our 4s or 5s.
Quote from: MUfan12 on October 17, 2013, 12:14:46 PM
IWB posted this-
"As discussed on the premium board, Juco transfer and Milwaukee native Jameel McKay is leaving Marquette before ever playing in a game. Not sure what his reasons are, but I had heard it was mainly due to not being happy with playing the 5 spot.
Best of luck to Jameel wherever he goes.
Despite immediate internet rumors, this is not due to grades, it was his decision and the MU staff tried to talk him out of it, but were not successful."
http://www.brewcityball.com/forums/showthread.php?5489-Jameel-McKay-to-leave-MU
If this is true, then fine for him and probably better for MU. Has he ever watched them play?
Quote from: mr.MUskie on October 17, 2013, 02:18:16 PM
My feelings exactly. Oh, plus he's 6'10".
He weighs 190 pounds. Trend blackledge was 6'9 as well. Good luck to him
For Jameels sake he better find a place to play and quick. If he waits too long he cant red shirt and will only have one year of eligibility left.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on October 17, 2013, 03:33:34 PM
He weighs 190 pounds. Trend blackledge was 6'9 as well. Good luck to him
They are very similar in height. McKay is probably stonger than Blackledge. It there is a quickness edge, I would give it to Blackledge. Blackledge could really jump and I would believe he would easily out jump McKay. Blackledge could also shoot from the outside and McKay cannot. Overall Blackledge was more athletic and skilled. Apparently, since he did not quit he was also tougher than Mckay.
So who is going to complain now if Buzz oversigns. With Harris questionable we could be 3 shollies down.
Quote from: bilsu on October 17, 2013, 03:54:38 PM
They are very similar in height. McKay is probably stonger than Blackledge. It there is a quickness edge, I would give it to Blackledge. Blackledge could really jump and I would believe he would easily out jump McKay. Blackledge could also shoot from the outside and McKay cannot. Overall Blackledge was more athletic and skilled. Apparently, since he did not quit he was also tougher than Mckay.
The best jumper ever recruited by Al was Robert Byrd. Byrd had a ridiculous vertical and was a highly rated recruit out of Phillips in Chicago. Guy was about 6' 5" but played a lot taller because of his jumping ability.
First and foremost, this was the event that I was referring to at the start of the Friday at 4:59 PM thread.
Second, this has absolutely nothing to do with grades or Jameel getting in trouble. I would be shocked if this affected Buzz and his recruiting JUCO players.
Third, to my surprise, I have heard that the OxTule lineup is one we will see every game (or at least until it is proven not to be effective).
Hmm, Doesn't want to play the 5, i wonder why Buzz would ask him to do that.
Probably due to De'De' playing fo'
Good Luck McKay
got to start Gardner, he's earned it, play a few possessions in the zone and pull Chris quick if its not the best line up. as long as it works that is.
You know, we make fun of people who claim to see these things coming. But looking in hindsight, I wonder if Buzz thought this might be coming. Hill seemed very confident that Marquette was planning to build around him and make him a centerpiece as freshmen. With McKay gone, I think Anderson has to slide back to the 4 (unless Harris or a big we recruit and he really steps up) and that frees up time on the perimeter.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on October 17, 2013, 11:01:39 AM
or is this a practical joke?
Weren't you paying attention? Everyone else saw this coming 6 months ago. You should sharpen your deductive reasoning skills.
Jim "Cloudpiercer" Dudley, who transferred in from MSU, could get up also.
Mike's all over it.....well after Scoop that is
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/228235201.html (http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/228235201.html)
Pieces fitting together as described by wade. I see CO and DG starting when possible. Steve off the bench 6 minutes in subbing for Chris with the Big Fella sliding to the #5. This may result in JWill at #4 more often than I had previously anticipated and real minutes for Deonte's thunder dunks at #3.
Does he have to redshirt before he begins again as a Junior in '14 or does this become a no harm, no foul because he left before the season?
When the news is not so good the Jurinal is all over it...I don't get why he went thru boot camp and almost a full
quarter b4 realizing he'd be playing behind the 4 or 5. And no way is he 220. He was given a gift for 2 years and he
turned away.
Quote from: jsglow on October 17, 2013, 05:42:43 PM
Pieces fitting together as described by wade. I see CO and DG starting when possible. Steve off the bench 6 minutes in subbing for Chris with the Big Fella sliding to the #5. This may result in JWill at #4 more often than I had previously anticipated and real minutes for Deonte's thunder dunks at #3.
Does he have to redshirt before he begins again as a Junior in '14 or does this become a no harm, no foul because he left before the season?
Can't see it that way. Chris or DG rarely played 6 minute stretches last year. Even if both start, which I doubt, Taylor will be on the floor within 4 minutes.
It would be nice if we could go at least one season without someone leaving the program at the 11th hour.
Hmmmmm.......Roseboro, Mbao, Durley, Williams, McKay. etc.
Quote from: jsglow on October 17, 2013, 05:42:43 PM
Pieces fitting together as described by wade. I see CO and DG starting when possible. Steve off the bench 6 minutes in subbing for Chris with the Big Fella sliding to the #5. This may result in JWill at #4 more often than I had previously anticipated and real minutes for Deonte's thunder dunks at #3.
Does he have to redshirt before he begins again as a Junior in '14 or does this become a no harm, no foul because he left before the season?
I really think youre overrating Burton. He doesnt impress me. Give him a year or two but hes not going to play this year. Probably means more Juan and Jajuan at the 3 if Jamil has to play the 4.
Quote from: keefe on October 17, 2013, 04:08:28 PM
The best jumper ever recruited by Al was Robert Byrd. Byrd had a ridiculous vertical and was a highly rated recruit out of Phillips in Chicago. Guy was about 6' 5" but played a lot taller because of his jumping ability.
Better than the anti-gravity man?
Quote from: esard2011 on October 17, 2013, 07:38:18 PM
I really think youre overrating Burton. He doesnt impress me. Give him a year or two but hes not going to play this year. Probably means more Juan and Jajuan at the 3 if Jamil has to play the 4.
Why do you say that, just curious? He dominated in the Pro Am, was 4-8 at Madness, won the dunk contest. Yes, those are pick-up games but he showed his offensive prowess. For an offense that relies on the open court advantage and dribble penetration, he fills a very important role with Vander gone.
Quote from: esard2011 on October 17, 2013, 07:38:18 PM
I really think youre overrating Burton. He doesnt impress me. Give him a year or two but hes not going to play this year. Probably means more Juan and Jajuan at the 3 if Jamil has to play the 4.
Actually what I meant to suggest is that Burton may now see modest rotation minutes rather than end of the bench minutes.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on October 17, 2013, 08:31:39 PM
Why do you say that, just curious? He dominated in the Pro Am, was 4-8 at Madness, won the dunk contest. Yes, those are pick-up games but he showed his offensive prowess. For an offense that relies on the open court advantage and dribble penetration, he fills a very important role with Vander gone.
From what I saw at madness, he didnt have a good looking shot and he had a really tough time finishing in traffic. Anytime he was pressured he missed.
Did you watch him somewhere other than Madness? One scrimmage is hardly an indicator of how someone is going to play when games count.
Cobb was the Elevator Man. I believe con carne was referrin' to the infamous Artie Green, aka Tosa Gas.
Quote from: willie warrior on October 17, 2013, 07:33:42 PM
Hmmmmm.......Roseboro, Mbao, Durley, Williams, McKay. etc.
Yeah, Buzz recruits only quitters and also can't coach a lick. Don't know how we'll ever win any NCAA games with this coach running this program.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on October 17, 2013, 08:58:15 PM
Did you watch him somewhere other than Madness? One scrimmage is hardly an indicator of how someone is going to play when games count.
Youre right, teams will be playing better defense. I hope im wrong I just dont see him being a contributor this year.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 17, 2013, 09:04:07 PM
Cobb was the Elevator Man. I believe con carne was referrin' to the infamous Artie Green, aka Tosa Gas.
Nobody could jam it like the Grasshopper. He is still talked about on the playgrounds of NYC
Quote from: esard2011 on October 17, 2013, 09:19:44 PM
Youre right, teams will be playing better defense. I hope im wrong I just dont see him being a contributor this year.
I think you are wrong, but only time will tell.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 17, 2013, 09:04:07 PM
Cobb was the Elevator Man. I believe con carne was referrin' to the infamous Artie Green, aka Tosa Gas.
Ding ding.
Loved hearing Bob Bach making the call for the anti-gravity man.
Quote from: willie warrior on October 17, 2013, 07:33:42 PM
Hmmmmm.......Roseboro, Mbao, Durley, Williams, McKay. etc.
Finally, you're starting to get it. It doesn't make sense to recruit bigs!
This may have already been covered... but what are McKay's options and eligibility status?
He didn't play in a game, so can he go anywhere he wants, and immediately player this year, or next year? Doesn't he have to wait until 2nd semester next year?
Anybody know?
He has to wait until second semester next year.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on October 18, 2013, 09:30:06 AM
He has to wait until second semester next year.
So he would have to take the redshirt year for the 2013-14 year and is basically sitting out a year and a half to be eligible for a year and half? Who advised him, a potato?
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on October 18, 2013, 09:30:06 AM
He has to wait until second semester next year.
Really can't understand his decision. So he might have ridden the bench this year or possibly have redshirted to give him two as Steve's running mate? Just seems shortsighted to me given the reports we've heard about his reasons for leaving. Anyway, I sincerely hope it works out for him.
Quote from: jsglow on October 18, 2013, 09:34:47 AM
Really can't understand his decision. So he might have ridden the bench this year or possibly have redshirted to give him two as Steve's running mate? Just seems shortsighted to me given the reports we've heard about his reasons for leaving. Anyway, I sincerely hope it works out for him.
This might make sense if MU was unwilling to redshirt him in which case he needed to transfer to get a shot at meaningful minutes in two seasons. Otherwise its a
complete head scratcher.
Quote from: jsglow on October 18, 2013, 09:34:47 AM
Really can't understand his decision. So he might have ridden the bench this year or possibly have redshirted to give him two as Steve's running mate? Just seems shortsighted to me given the reports we've heard about his reasons for leaving. Anyway, I sincerely hope it works out for him.
This!
I just don't understand why anyone with only 2 years of eligibility would want to burn 1/2 a semester by making a move, especially after practice has started. This guy has gotten some really poor advice in my opinion.
The decision makes no sense. From everything I have heard it seems to have occurred in the last week and with very little forethought. He committed to Marquette in June 2012, and then completely worked his ass off in the classroom to be eligible here...and then throws it all away because he didn't feel he was going to get enough playing time *this* year.
So why doesn't he redshirt at MU this year? Spend the time in practice and in the weight room and then have plenty of minutes available when Jamil, Chris and Davante all graduate. And then have two years to play AND complete his degree.
Instead he will have to sit until January 2015 and only have a year and a half.
It is a mind-boggling dumb decision made on spur of the moment emotion. No logic behind it whatsoever.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on October 18, 2013, 09:25:07 AM
This may have already been covered... but what are McKay's options and eligibility status?
He didn't play in a game, so can he go anywhere he wants, and immediately player this year, or next year? Doesn't he have to wait until 2nd semester next year?
Anybody know?
Look at TJ Taylor. He had to sit out a year after attending MU summer school. Same here, must sit out an academic year when transferring.
With McKay, MU holds his release. And they will hold it for APR reasons so he completes first semester academics. The clock was already ticking. Then, he must sit a year since he transferred, technically at mid-year. So, he loses half a season of playing time. Mid year is when other transfers happen to free up spots as well for a landing space for him. Not a lot free now...and if he drops without a release now, where is he going today? A school on quarters, where he will have to pay his own way? DePaul?...but he cannot transfer within the Big East.
An emotional decision, not well thought out. Should have waited till Xmas. JayBee or some of the experts can add to this or correct me.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on October 18, 2013, 09:40:29 AM
The decision makes no sense. From everything I have heard it seems to have occurred in the last week and with very little forethought. He committed to Marquette in June 2012, and then completely worked his ass off in the classroom to be eligible here...and then throws it all away because he didn't feel he was going to get enough playing time *this* year.
So why doesn't he redshirt at MU this year? Spend the time in practice and in the weight room and then have plenty of minutes available when Jamil, Chris and Davante all graduate. And then have two years to play AND complete his degree.
Instead he will have to sit until January 2015 and only have a year and a half.
It is a mind-boggling dumb decision made on spur of the moment emotion. No logic behind it whatsoever.
I'm having flashbacks to Vander Blue declaring for he draft. Not just picking on you, but everyone declaring his to be a dumb, illogical, emotional, poorly thought out decision. None of you know a damn thing that went into his decision. Maybe he did think he could handle school. Maybe he didn't like being close to home. Maybe after individuals, boot camp and a week or two of practice, he and the coaching staff came to realize he couldn't hack it. Maybe they came to realize that he was never going to play.
If any of the above turned out to be true, would that make his decision a dumb or emotional one? For 40 year old white dudes in the suburbs with well paying jobs, I suppose it is. This is just another example of this whole farce of student athletes, amateurism, etc. Many of you guys really need to wrap your heads around the fact that most of these guys are attending college to play basketball, not playing basketball so they can attend college (BTW, this is a two way street. The colleges they are attending have them there for the same reason.). Guys like Vander Blue and Jameel McKay get ripped for making "dumb decisions" by people who have absolutely no insight into their reasoning, when they are seemingly the only ones willing to call it what it is.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on October 18, 2013, 10:00:21 AM
None of you know a damn thing that went into his decision.
Thank you. Each of us has to make decisions that are right for us and/or for our families. It's not always apparent to the rest of the world why we do what we do. I'm sure McKay's decision was probably not easy, but I'm not going to pretend to know enough about him or his decision to either criticize it or praise it. I will just wish him well.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on October 18, 2013, 10:00:21 AM
I'm having flashbacks to Vander Blue declaring for he draft. Not just picking on you, but everyone declaring his to be a dumb, illogical, emotional, poorly thought out decision. None of you know a damn thing that went into his decision. Maybe he did think he could handle school. Maybe he didn't like being close to home. Maybe after individuals, boot camp and a week or two of practice, he and the coaching staff came to realize he couldn't hack it. Maybe they came to realize that he was never going to play.
If any of the above turned out to be true, would that make his decision a dumb or emotional one? For 40 year old white dudes in the suburbs with well paying jobs, I suppose it is. This is just another example of this whole farce of student athletes, amateurism, etc. Many of you guys really need to wrap your heads around the fact that most of these guys are attending college to play basketball, not playing basketball so they can attend college (BTW, this is a two way street. The colleges they are attending have them there for the same reason.). Guys like Vander Blue and Jameel McKay get ripped for making "dumb decisions" by people who have absolutely no insight into their reasoning, when they are seemingly the only ones willing to call it what it is.
I know you are not picking on me, but I never said that Blue made a dumb decision in entering the draft.
But even from a basketball decision, this makes little sense. He is now only going to play for a season and a half versus two seasons. He had oodles of playing time available to him next year, and now he is looking at an unknown in that regard. He had a coach with a history of getting the most out of his players and preparing them for the NBA...and that is now up in the air. His options are going to be severely limited as a midyear transfer as Dr. Blackheart points out. Etc. Etc. Etc.
His coaches at Indian Hills apparently implored him not to do this because they knew it made little sense.
I have no insider info and I don't know Jameel, but part of me wonders if he just doesn't love basketball. He may like it a lot and he may really enjoy playing basketball, but to play at a major program, a player needs to LOVE to play basketball because it becomes your life. If Jameel only really liked playing basketball and/or was no longer having fun playing basketball, then spending 2 years being unhappy would not have been worth it for him.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on October 18, 2013, 10:00:21 AM
I'm having flashbacks to Vander Blue declaring for he draft. Not just picking on you, but everyone declaring his to be a dumb, illogical, emotional, poorly thought out decision. None of you know a damn thing that went into his decision. Maybe he did think he could handle school. Maybe he didn't like being close to home. Maybe after individuals, boot camp and a week or two of practice, he and the coaching staff came to realize he couldn't hack it. Maybe they came to realize that he was never going to play.
If any of the above turned out to be true, would that make his decision a dumb or emotional one? For 40 year old white dudes in the suburbs with well paying jobs, I suppose it is. This is just another example of this whole farce of student athletes, amateurism, etc. Many of you guys really need to wrap your heads around the fact that most of these guys are attending college to play basketball, not playing basketball so they can attend college (BTW, this is a two way street. The colleges they are attending have them there for the same reason.). Guys like Vander Blue and Jameel McKay get ripped for making "dumb decisions" by people who have absolutely no insight into their reasoning, when they are seemingly the only ones willing to call it what it is.
I agree with you (for the most part).
A bunch of dudes on the internet shouldn't act like we know what it takes to play D1 hoops, or what goes into making these decisions.
However, I will say that from a basketball perspective, I don't get it. From a family perspective (close to home), I don't get it. From a education perspective (assuming he was doing ok), I don't get it.
I know MU isn't for everybody, and that's perfectly fine. But, I'm still having trouble making sense of this one.
Best of luck, Jameel. I hope you find what you are looking for!
Disappointing to say the least, but there has to be more to it then having to play out of position or lack of playing time this season. He would have had a good idea of what he was getting into in that regard and I can't imagine a lightbulb just went on over the past week. I don't know what was going on in his personal life, in the classroom, or with his teammates, but I'm guessing there were other factors that he can't or won't discuss publicly because from a purely basketball standpoint it doesn't make sense.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on October 18, 2013, 10:21:30 AM
I have no insider info and I don't know Jameel, but part of me wonders if he just doesn't love basketball. He may like it a lot and he may really enjoy playing basketball, but to play at a major program, a player needs to LOVE to play basketball because it becomes your life. If Jameel only really liked playing basketball and/or was no longer having fun playing basketball, then spending 2 years being unhappy would not have been worth it for him.
Don't think you need to trawl too deep into the spectrum for this one and start casting aspersions on McKay's passion for the game. He's a 21 year-old kid with little experience in this area who made a spur of the moment decision. Happens every day of the year in every town of this country.
I wouldn't be shocked to hear McKay pulls a Juan Anderson and rejoins MU. He only has 2 yrs max to showcase his skills at a D-1 level. To transfer and give up first semester next season is a terrible idea. A worse idea for him with limited time at the D-1 level, than it was for a freshman like Maymon. Joining a team in late December next year, and having an adjustment period to get incorporated into the rotation almost completely wipes out another semester. Leaving him 1 full year of eligibility playing with his teammates from the beginning. Redshirting this season, and playing 2 full years in a wide open frontcourt at MU makes far more sense.
If Jameel and his family can't see this, that is really sad. His NBA prospects dropped DRAMATICALLY yesterday.
Quote from: jsglow on October 17, 2013, 08:39:44 PM
Actually what I meant to suggest is that Burton may now see modest rotation minutes rather than end of the bench minutes.
With Burton's athleticism, body, and attitude, he will never be an end of the bench minutes guy.
I'm glad you see the light, he is going to be A LOT of fun to watch.
As for Smiles McKay, I was surprised to hear he was leaving, he would have been a greater asset next season than this.
I guest being the next number 32 in line was too much pressure for him.
Navin,
Fair enough on the critique, but my comment on the emotional vs. fact based is in relation to how the system works, not how Dr. Blackheart or any white, fat surburban sweater vested man thinks. In this case, the fact based will hold him back as that is how the system works. So, he is stuck at MU, walking around campus, going to classes for 2+ months now. That is a fact...a NCAA fact, one that I don't agree with, btw.
Quote from: 94Warrior on October 18, 2013, 10:36:11 AM
I wouldn't be shocked to hear McKay pulls a Juan Anderson and rejoins MU. He only has 2 yrs max to showcase his skills at a D-1 level. To transfer and give up first semester next season is a terrible idea. A worse idea for him with limited time at the D-1 level, than it was for a freshman like Maymon. Joining a team in late December next year, and having an adjustment period to get incorporated into the rotation almost completely wipes out another semester. Leaving him 1 full year of eligibility playing with his teammates from the beginning. Redshirting this season, and playing 2 full years in a wide open frontcourt at MU makes far more sense.
If Jameel and his family can't see this, that is really sad. His NBA prospects dropped DRAMATICALLY yesterday.
It would not surprise me at all if he changed his mind, because the decision does not make any sense to me. I do think he was smart enough to know, if he was only going to play center that meant he was not going to play. There are no minutes a center for him, except if the team wants to press.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on October 18, 2013, 10:34:38 AM
Don't think you need to trawl too deep into the spectrum for this one and start casting aspersions on McKay's passion for the game. He's a 21 year-old kid with little experience in this area who made a spur of the moment decision. Happens every day of the year in every town of this country.
I was actually trying to defend the kid. On the surface, his decision makes little sense and seems very illogical. I was merely trying to point out that there may be a somewhat logical explanation that we're missing.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on October 18, 2013, 10:06:41 AM
Thank you. Each of us has to make decisions that are right for us and/or for our families. It's not always apparent to the rest of the world why we do what we do. I'm sure McKay's decision was probably not easy, but I'm not going to pretend to know enough about him or his decision to either criticize it or praise it. I will just wish him well.
Well, it's been reported that his decision to leave the team was based on playing time and position. If this information is indeed correct I think that it is fair to critique his decision. I would go so far to say this reeks of ODB and Maymon.
Quote from: "The Bull" in a China Shop on October 18, 2013, 10:37:59 AM
With Burton's athleticism, body, and attitude, he will never be an end of the bench minutes guy.
I'm glad you see the light,
Welcome Bull. I too like Burton's game but would not presume to have Buzz' eye for exact rotations. I've simply heard that there are some fellas ahead of him at this very moment and there are only 200 minutes per game to go around. No Frosh should worry about being 10th or 11th in the initial pecking order. His job is to earn it every day in the Kasten gym. Deonte's time will come; maybe even this year. If so, we'll be the better for it.
Again, welcome.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on October 18, 2013, 10:49:39 AM
Navin,
Fair enough on the critique, but my comment on the emotional vs. fact based is in relation to how the system works, not how Dr. Blackheart or any white, fat surburban sweater vested man thinks. In this case, the fact based will hold him back as that is how the system works. So, he is stuck at MU, walking around campus, going to classes for 2+ months now. That is a fact...a NCAA fact, one that I don't agree with, btw.
Again, that assumes he has any interest in college, and the he will actually end up transferring to another school. Logical assumption, but by no means guaranteed in my mind.
Quote from: ceh on October 18, 2013, 11:15:47 AM
Well, it's been reported that his decision to leave the team was based on playing time and position. If this information is indeed correct I think that it is fair to critique his decision. I would go so far to say this reeks of ODB and Maymon.
I agree with this. If we know the reason, we can draw a conclusion. Right now all we have is speculation, but people are happily labeling the decision with all kinds of negative terms.
Quote from: ceh on October 18, 2013, 11:15:47 AM
Well, it's been reported that his decision to leave the team was based on playing time and position. If this information is indeed correct I think that it is fair to critique his decision. I would go so far to say this reeks of ODB and Maymon.
Speculation on an internet forum does not constitute "reported" to me.
Quote from: MU82 on October 17, 2013, 09:10:10 PM
Yeah, Buzz recruits only quitters and also can't coach a lick. Don't know how we'll ever win any NCAA games with this coach running this program.
You said, I didn't.
Quote from: brandx on October 18, 2013, 11:23:14 AM
Speculation on an internet forum does not constitute "reported" to me.
Go ahead and wait for Hunt if you like, but the "sources" posting this information are reputable.
Sorry, didn't see this, I guess Hunt did report it...
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/228235201.html
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on October 18, 2013, 11:20:09 AM
Again, that assumes he has any interest in college, and the he will actually end up transferring to another school. Logical assumption, but by no means guaranteed in my mind.
No, just quoting his Twitter and own quotes in the press about him transferring.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on October 18, 2013, 10:00:21 AM
Maybe after individuals, boot camp and a week or two of practice, he and the coaching staff came to realize he couldn't hack it. Maybe they came to realize that he was never going to play.
I find this part of your piece highly doubtful. Didn't Strotty say that the coaching staff considered this a "crushing blow"? I don't think that they would have this opinion if they thought he couldn't hack it. Secondly, someone is going to play on the front line next year-- even if JM can't play......next year he was gonna play.
I hope he thinks about this over the weekend and has his own personal coming to Jesus.
Quote from: We R Final Four on October 18, 2013, 11:35:24 AM
I find this part of your piece highly doubtful. Didn't Strotty say that the coaching staff considered this a "crushing blow"? I don't think that they would have this opinion if they thought he couldn't hack it. Secondly, someone is going to play on the front line next year-- even if JM can't play......next year he was gonna play.
I hope he thinks about this over the weekend and has his own personal coming to Jesus.
Perhaps. Wasn't suggesting it was the reason. Just a couple possibilities among a list of possibilities, used to illustrate the point that none of us knows.
Quote from: brandx on October 18, 2013, 11:23:14 AM
Speculation on an internet forum does not constitute "reported" to me.
It isn't speculation. Trust me.
I wonder how many of McKay's family members & friends purchased season tickets they no longer want?
Quote from: bilsu on October 18, 2013, 11:52:00 AM
I wonder how many of McKay's family members & friends purchased season tickets they no longer want?
Interesting, there were a ton of McKay family/supporters at Madness or I assume they were since they were all wearing MU tshirts with McKay's face on them. Seems like an awful quick turn around to change his mind and bail.
Quote from: ceh on October 18, 2013, 11:15:47 AM
Well, it's been reported that his decision to leave the team was based on playing time and position. If this information is indeed correct I think that it is fair to critique his decision. I would go so far to say this reeks of ODB and Maymon.
Ok, but what are his goals? If his goal is to play a certain position and have a lot of playing time...and if he wasn't going to achieve his goals at Marquette...then his decision might be completely logical. If you don't know what his goals are, then it's pretty hard to determine whether his decision makes sense.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on October 18, 2013, 12:30:47 PM
Ok, but what are his goals? If his goal is to play a certain position and have a lot of playing time...and if he wasn't going to achieve his goals at Marquette...then his decision might be completely logical. If you don't know what his goals are, then it's pretty hard to determine whether his decision makes sense.
He would have played next year. He could have redshirted, probably played a ton next year AND the year after.
As it stands, he doesn't play until January 2015 and only plays a season and a half.
The decision makes no sense from even a playing time issue.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on October 18, 2013, 11:45:58 AM
It isn't speculation. Trust me.
My thinking is that it was a playing time issue. If news from practice is true, then OTule and DG could well consume more than just the 40 minutes at the '5'.
But until Buzz gives a reason (won't happen) or McKay talks about it, we really don't know.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on October 18, 2013, 12:41:09 PM
He would have played next year. He could have redshirted, probably played a ton next year AND the year after.
As it stands, he doesn't play until January 2015 and only plays a season and a half.
The decision makes no sense from even a playing time issue.
I don't know what was discussed but your scenario makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately, when you mix youth, pride and maybe some bad advice (all speculation on my part) a common sense solution isn't necessarily the outcome.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on October 18, 2013, 12:41:09 PM
He would have played next year. He could have redshirted, probably played a ton next year AND the year after.
As it stands, he doesn't play until January 2015 and only plays a season and a half.
The decision makes no sense from even a playing time issue.
+1. Where is he going to get a ton of playing time after not having ever played any D1 basketball, not having played any college basketball for a year and a half, and becoming eligible for a team mid-season? Probably a low/mid-major...and if his decision revolved around not playing the 5, well, not a ton of schools in that category with 6'8" players at positions other than the 5.
It seems to me that the consensus here is either he's an idiot, or we don't know what he wants out of the balance of his college career. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. There's something about the opportunity at Marquette that apparently isn't what he's looking for. Maybe it was playing time; maybe it was the position he would be playing; maybe it's something else entirely. But he presumably knows what he wants, and he doesn't think he's going to get it at Marquette. Whether or not he can get what he's looking for wherever he ends up remains to be seen, but that doesn't mean that he's wrong to leave Marquette. Good luck to him, and hopefully Buzz can find a great player to fill the scholarship.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on October 18, 2013, 01:14:37 PMIt seems to me that the consensus here is either he's an idiot, or we don't know what he wants out of the balance of his college career.
Making poor decisions doesn't make one an idiot, but it is consistent with being young. Maybe it all works out for McKay, he pulls a Maymon and goes somewhere to immediately dominate, and ends up making it to the league. But anything less than that, when you consider Buzz's track record, certainly warrants questioning.
I think too many of these kids look at the short term and not the long term. Did Lazar or Jimmy freak out when they were thrown in at the 5 despite it being painfully obvious that their best positions were either the 2 or the 3? No, they put their heads down, worked, and made it to the league. This staff knows what it takes to get their guys playing professional ball. If they feel McKay can best help the team and show off his skills at the 5, my guess is Buzz and company know what it will take a TON better than McKay himself.
Quite simply, has Jameel McKay ever got anyone else to the NBA himself, or got their on his own? Obviously not. Or what about Mike Anderson? Should McKay look at the career of Demarre Carroll as proof positive that Arkansas' coach will map out a better route to the NBA than the guy that sent Wes Matthews, Lazar Hayward, Jimmy Butler, Dwight Buycks, Jae Crowder, and (briefly) DJO to the league, with Vander Blue still sniffing at the door?
I wish the best for Jameel. I really hope he is getting the right advice and listening to the people that both care about him and know what he wants and how to get there. However reading his Twitter feed of late and listening to the grapevine, I have very strong doubts that is the case.
Quote from: bilsu on October 18, 2013, 10:52:09 AM
It would not surprise me at all if he changed his mind, because the decision does not make any sense to me. I do think he was smart enough to know, if he was only going to play center that meant he was not going to play. There are no minutes a center for him, except if the team wants to press.
I'm hopeful he changes his mind. I was picturing Buzz using JK on the top of a press, similar to how he used Yous a few times. With JK's athleticism, he'd have been very good in that role.
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 18, 2013, 01:32:01 PM
Making poor decisions doesn't make one an idiot, but it is consistent with being young. Maybe it all works out for McKay, he pulls a Maymon and goes somewhere to immediately dominate, and ends up making it to the league. But anything less than that, when you consider Buzz's track record, certainly warrants questioning.
I think too many of these kids look at the short term and not the long term. Did Lazar or Jimmy freak out when they were thrown in at the 5 despite it being painfully obvious that their best positions were either the 2 or the 3? No, they put their heads down, worked, and made it to the league. This staff knows what it takes to get their guys playing professional ball. If they feel McKay can best help the team and show off his skills at the 5, my guess is Buzz and company know what it will take a TON better than McKay himself.
Quite simply, has Jameel McKay ever got anyone else to the NBA himself, or got their on his own? Obviously not. Or what about Mike Anderson? Should McKay look at the career of Demarre Carroll as proof positive that Arkansas' coach will map out a better route to the NBA than the guy that sent Wes Matthews, Lazar Hayward, Jimmy Butler, Dwight Buycks, Jae Crowder, and (briefly) DJO to the league, with Vander Blue still sniffing at the door?
I wish the best for Jameel. I really hope he is getting the right advice and listening to the people that both care about him and know what he wants and how to get there. However reading his Twitter feed of late and listening to the grapevine, I have very strong doubts that is the case.
I would agree with you that if he is making this decision based on what he thinks gives him the best chance of making it to the NBA, I'd question his decision. But I have no idea if that is what he's basing his decision on.
i just dont get it. From what I saw at Madness he was having a great time. Announcing the dunk contest with Steve, getting excited with his teammates. Its just a really odd situation because he seemed to love it here.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on October 18, 2013, 01:51:51 PM
I would agree with you that if he is making this decision based on what he thinks gives him the best chance of making it to the NBA, I'd question his decision. But I have no idea if that is what he's basing his decision on.
Bingo.
The kid might end up playing at (insert school), and never make the NBA. That doesn't mean leaving MU was an incorrect move. He might be much happier someplace else.
Quote from: brandx on October 18, 2013, 11:23:14 AM
Speculation on an internet forum does not constitute "reported" to me.
The mainstream press has cited lack of playing time behind others as his reason for leaving.
Quote from: keefe on October 18, 2013, 02:07:50 PM
The mainstream press has cited lack of playing time behind others as his reason for leaving.
He knew the playing time situation almost a year And a half ago. Nothing has changed. He'd play this year some and ALOT next year. Not to mention we are now assuming more minutes for both DG and CO--two guys with injury histories. I think more to it.
Quote from: We R Final Four on October 18, 2013, 03:28:56 PM
He knew the playing time situation almost a year And a half ago. Nothing has changed. He'd play this year some and ALOT next year. Not to mention we are now assuming more minutes for both DG and CO--two guys with injury histories. I think more to it.
I'm not sure he knew when he committed that CO would be still here.
Quote from: We R Final Four on October 18, 2013, 03:28:56 PM
He knew the playing time situation almost a year And a half ago. Nothing has changed. He'd play this year some and ALOT next year. Not to mention we are now assuming more minutes for both DG and CO--two guys with injury histories. I think more to it.
Actually there really isn't.
Quote from: We R Final Four on October 18, 2013, 03:28:56 PM
He knew the playing time situation almost a year And a half ago. Nothing has changed. He'd play this year some and ALOT next year. Not to mention we are now assuming more minutes for both DG and CO--two guys with injury histories. I think more to it.
I have no expertise or insight as to why the kid left. My comment was directed at someone who said we only have internet rumors to go on. In fact, there are several press reports citing his place on the depth chart.
As far as I'm concerned, kid has chosen to leave so it doesn't matter why. Move on.
Oh I know--not directed at you. Just wondering JM's deal.
Quote from: keefe on October 18, 2013, 03:50:53 PM
I have no expertise or insight as to why the kid left. My comment was directed at someone who said we only have internet rumors to go on. In fact, there are several press reports citing his place on the depth chart.
As far as I'm concerned, kid has chosen to leave so it doesn't matter why. Move on.
Yep, if he does not want to be here, so be it.
Quote from: Nukem2 on October 18, 2013, 04:22:25 PM
Yep, if he does not want to be here, so be it.
Yeah but it's much more fun for those of us with no direct role or insight in the situation to criticize the kid for his stupid decision, or the coaching staff for their defective crystal ball.
Not sure how many times I need to say it, but it had absolutely nothing to do with personal issues, any sort of trouble that Jameel got in (he didn't get in any), or any sort of grade issues. You can stop speculating about those things.
Or you can just keep ignoring it.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 18, 2013, 08:45:45 PM
Not sure how many times I need to say it, but it had absolutely nothing to do with personal issues, any sort of trouble that Jameel got in (he didn't get in any), or any sort of grade issues. You can stop speculating about those things.
Or you can just keep ignoring it.
Jameel who?
Quote from: keefe on October 19, 2013, 03:12:41 AM
Jameel who?
Jameel McKay. The guy who transferred from MU and who this thread is about.
Also have to consider Juan's return. Potential e-motional roller coaster for Jameel. "Ah, dude's gone now, more playing time opening up for me..."... then, "uh oh.. dude's back.. and he's improved..." Say what you will about Juan's supposed position(s) this season, but if I'm Jameel and I'm watching Juan this fall the thought of "oh man, that's some competition" might creep into my mind.
Hope Jameel is able to get somewhere and have some success. Was looking forward to watching him with MU, but things change. Somewhat "unusual" roster changes for MU are nothing new. Forward, HOE.
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 18, 2013, 01:32:01 PM
Making poor decisions doesn't make one an idiot, but it is consistent with being young. Maybe it all works out for McKay, he pulls a Maymon and goes somewhere to immediately dominate, and ends up making it to the league. But anything less than that, when you consider Buzz's track record, certainly warrants questioning.
I think too many of these kids look at the short term and not the long term. Did Lazar or Jimmy freak out when they were thrown in at the 5 despite it being painfully obvious that their best positions were either the 2 or the 3? No, they put their heads down, worked, and made it to the league. This staff knows what it takes to get their guys playing professional ball. If they feel McKay can best help the team and show off his skills at the 5, my guess is Buzz and company know what it will take a TON better than McKay himself.
Quite simply, has Jameel McKay ever got anyone else to the NBA himself, or got their on his own? Obviously not. Or what about Mike Anderson? Should McKay look at the career of Demarre Carroll as proof positive that Arkansas' coach will map out a better route to the NBA than the guy that sent Wes Matthews, Lazar Hayward, Jimmy Butler, Dwight Buycks, Jae Crowder, and (briefly) DJO to the league, with Vander Blue still sniffing at the door?
I wish the best for Jameel. I really hope he is getting the right advice and listening to the people that both care about him and know what he wants and how to get there. However reading his Twitter feed of late and listening to the grapevine, I have very strong doubts that is the case.
I'm in that latter group. I blame it (speculation) on watching General Hospital and Ryan's Hope after school at Grandma's.
A day before he tweets he's leaving MU, he tweets the Arkansas Assistant Coach. Whatever. It's a tweet.
But it's the timing and the fact that it was public (not a DM) that makes it curious.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 19, 2013, 09:19:47 AM
Jameel McKay. The guy who transferred from MU and who this thread is about.
Jameel Mckay? Never heard of him...
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on October 19, 2013, 12:18:14 PM
I'm in that latter group. I blame it (speculation) on watching General Hospital and Ryan's Hope after school at Grandma's.
A day before he tweets he's leaving MU, he tweets the Arkansas Assistant Coach. Whatever. It's a tweet.
But it's the timing and the fact that it was public (not a DM) that makes it curious.
....or Jameel not too bright.
He better not be....I think the next time I see him I might have a little talk with him..
I don't know where he is getting his advice unless it is a mutual parting and the team doesn't think he is what they need but one injury and he is in there.
Juan Anderson abruptly left after talking to family and then he came back within days after thinking about it. Jameel would do well to do the same and work on his shot more
Seems like a genuinely good guy too...I wish him the best but he better get back here if he can. I might holler at him and see what is up...
Quote from: Nukem2 on October 18, 2013, 04:22:25 PM
Yep, if he does not want to be here, so be it.
It is not that he does not want to be here imo... He is just being impulsive and should go somewhere fast and get sit down and chill.
He seemed happy the other day after having gotten through 'Boot Camp' and perhaps after that milestone you think you deserved more since you rode into your hometown after two years at Juco and think you have it made but he is going to have to man up and make it work wherever he ends up.
I am upset another local kid is ducking and dodging out of town after a bit of adversity or before they are ready [in our skeptical eyes]. Maymon, Blue, and now McKay. Dwight Buycks made it work.
Now we'll see how this plays out with the other recruits.
Now why can't J.P leave UNC and come back home to MU? It is always kids leaving here. Oh well...
Quote from: MUHoopsFan2 on October 19, 2013, 11:46:00 PM
He better not be....I think the next time I see him I might have a little talk with him..
I don't know where he is getting his advice unless it is a mutual parting and the team doesn't think he is what they need but one injury and he is in there.
Juan Anderson abruptly left after talking to family and then he came back within days after thinking about it. Jameel would do well to do the same and work on his shot more
Seems like a genuinely good guy too...I wish him the best but he better get back here if he can. I might holler at him and see what is up...
Glad you know what's best for the guy. Give him a "holler" and tell him how it really is.
Quote from: MUHoopsFan2 on October 19, 2013, 11:46:00 PM
I think the next time I see him I might have a little talk with him..
I might holler at him and see what is up...
You
think you will?? You
might holler at him??? What are you waiting for?! You might be our only hope!!! You're destiny has lead you to this very place!!! Make it happen!
Quote from: NickelDimer on October 20, 2013, 08:05:38 AM
You think you will?? You might holler at him??? What are you waiting for?! You might be our only hope!!! You're destiny has lead you to this very place!!! Make it happen!
+1. But I'm sure anything you tell him, the coaching staff has already told him.
Quote from: MUHoopsFan2 on October 19, 2013, 11:46:00 PM
Juan Anderson abruptly left after talking to family and then he came back within days after thinking about it. Jameel would do well to do the same and work on his shot more
If by "within days" you mean more than a month, sure.
Tokoto? Ignoring Jamil's return to the state?
Seems like you're trying to write a story that isn't there.
Quote from: Jay Bee on October 20, 2013, 11:14:08 AM
If by "within days" you mean more than a month, sure.
Tokoto? Ignoring Jamil's return to the state?
Seems like you're trying to write a story that isn't there.
Not to mention that Juan's departure and return were due to a unrelated personal issue. Nothing like McKay.
Report from @jucoreporting says that he's getting looked at by Florida, Louisville, Oklahoma, AZ, ASU, Arkansas, Memphis and more. This is a topic that will likely surface often over the remainder of his career.
Quote from: Gardner's Postgame Snack on October 20, 2013, 11:38:48 AM
Report from @jucoreporting says that he's getting looked at by Florida, Louisville, Oklahoma, AZ, ASU, Arkansas, Memphis and more. This is a topic that will likely surface often over the remainder of his career.
He claims those schools are contacting him. What that means, and how truly interested they are, has really yet to be determined.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on October 20, 2013, 11:40:59 AMHe claims those schools are contacting him. What that means, and how truly interested they are, has really yet to be determined.
At this point, they can have him. 4 practices and he quits on his new coach and his team. After all that talk about wanting to come back to Milwaukee, and especially those tweets where he talked about wanting to prove himself, I'm just unimpressed. Be tough. If you want to prove how good you are, listen to your coaches and actually work. Like PT, respect isn't given, it's earned. All McKay has earned is a reputation as a quitter who isn't tough enough to play at Marquette.
In life, everyone faces adversity. Usually the ones that succeed are those that work hard to overcome. Jameel seems to be the sort that seeks the path of least resistance. If he can't take it, so be it. We'll be better without him.
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 20, 2013, 02:43:33 PM
At this point, they can have him. 4 practices and he quits on his new coach and his team. After all that talk about wanting to come back to Milwaukee, and especially those tweets where he talked about wanting to prove himself, I'm just unimpressed. Be tough. If you want to prove how good you are, listen to your coaches and actually work. Like PT, respect isn't given, it's earned. All McKay has earned is a reputation as a quitter who isn't tough enough to play at Marquette.
In life, everyone faces adversity. Usually the ones that succeed are those that work hard to overcome. Jameel seems to be the sort that seeks the path of least resistance. If he can't take it, so be it. We'll be better without him.
EXCELLENT!
My words exactly....my work here today is done. I was going to comment but you have said it all. Superb. This is the bottom line.
And believe me and trust me fully when I tell you that it takes some doing to devise a post that I cannot add to it and comment on.
Well done sir.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on October 20, 2013, 11:30:41 AM
Not to mention that Juan's departure and return were due to a unrelated personal issue. Nothing like McKay.
Who cares what it was! It was a planned departure that took and lasted the same amount of days as this one has. IT IS THE SAME THING. A departure is a departure no matter what reason it is.
No one asked you what it was. And it should not really matter. It is not our business. It may have been due to playing time or whatever but that is not important.
The fact is both left the team officially, and one came back and as of now did not or has not.
There are similarities...in that regard which is how you should have read it and took it. Stop reading more into things that are not there. Some comments are just that...comments. Calm down. The JP Tokoto deal was just me musing...nothing more. Don;t twist this into something to make you look like you know what you are talking about.
Just read it and dismiss it.
Quote from: MUHoopsFan2 on October 20, 2013, 08:23:02 PM
EXCELLENT!
My words exactly....my work here today is done. I was going to comment but you have said it all. Superb. This is the bottom line.
And believe me and trust me fully when I tell you that it takes some doing to devise a post that I cannot add to it and comment on.
Well done sir.
(http://rlv.zcache.com/my_work_here_is_done_poster-p228514525102040057t5ta_400.jpg)
Quote from: MUHoopsFan2 on October 20, 2013, 08:23:02 PM
EXCELLENT!
My words exactly....my work here today is done. I was going to comment but you have said it all. Superb. This is the bottom line.
And believe me and trust me fully when I tell you that it takes some doing to devise a post that I cannot add to it and comment on.
Well done sir.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qI0RoJz7Tno (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qI0RoJz7Tno)
My first ignore. Well done.
Quote from: MUHoopsFan2 on October 20, 2013, 08:33:33 PM
Who cares what it was! It was a planned departure that took and lasted the same amount of days as this one has. IT IS THE SAME THING. A departure is a departure no matter what reason it is.
No one asked you what it was. And it should not really matter. It is not our business. It may have been due to playing time or whatever but that is not important.
The fact is both left the team officially, and one came back and as of now did not or has not. There are similarities...in that regard which is how you should have read it and took it.
Stop reading more into things that are not there. Some comments are just that...comments. Calm down. The JP Tokoto deal was just me musing...nothing more. Don;t twist this into something to make you look like you know what you are talking about.
Just read it and dismiss it.
The reason that Juan's and Mckay's situation are different is simply this. Juan didn't want to leave, he felt like he had to for personal reasons. McKay wanted to leave.
Let's do a hypothetical conversation. Let's assume you are their boss.
Juan: Something has come up in my personal life that requires my attention. Dealing with it would mean that I can't be a part of the organization anymore. I love it hear, but unfortunately I have to attend to this.
You: Give it some time...we'll support you in whatever decision is necessary.
A few weeks/months later.
Juan: The personal issue has cleared itself up. I would love it if you would allow me to stay on with the company.
McKay: After consulting friends and family, it appears as if my career would be better served with a different organization. I would like to tender my resignation.
You: We wish you would have came to us sooner. I know things may not be going as well here as you would like, but we see great potential for your long term prospects with this organization.
McKay: I've already made up my mind.
Hypothetically a few/weeks months later.
McKay: Turns out this organization is my best option...I would like to stay.
Which one would you bring back...see the difference?
Obviously this isn't exactly how things went down and I'm not saying I know either of the back stories...just indicating why the reason itself matters.
I've hired and fired people before. I've had people that needed to leave for family reasons and things worked themselves out. In those cases when we hadn't already rehired, I did bring them back on...no bridges burnt.
I've also had people leave, because they thought they had a better offer out there (in reality I knew they were lucky to have their current position)...those in more or less words...don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
Quote from: forgetful on October 20, 2013, 10:35:36 PM
Juan: The personal issue has cleared itself up. I would love it if you would allow me to stay on with the company.
McKay: After consulting friends and family, it appears as if my career would be better served with a different organization. I would like to tender my resignation.
Obviously this isn't exactly how things went down and I'm not saying I know either of the back stories...just indicating why the reason itself matters.
Wow, great post. I fell into the category of "well, when he comes to his senses..." but this post explains why McKay isn't coming back. And, while I too have no idea what the real situation is, I suspect if I was Buzz, I am really not sure I would want him back at this point.
Quote from: MUHoopsFan2 on October 20, 2013, 08:33:33 PM
Who cares what it was! It was a planned departure that took and lasted the same amount of days as this one has. IT IS THE SAME THING. A departure is a departure no matter what reason it is.
No one asked you what it was. And it should not really matter. It is not our business. It may have been due to playing time or whatever but that is not important.
The fact is both left the team officially, and one came back and as of now did not or has not. There are similarities...in that regard which is how you should have read it and took it.
Stop reading more into things that are not there. Some comments are just that...comments. Calm down. The JP Tokoto deal was just me musing...nothing more. Don;t twist this into something to make you look like you know what you are talking about.
Just read it and dismiss it.
Well, I do know what I am talking about.
Juan had a non-basketball related issue at home that he felt he had to deal with. He had Buzz's full support. When it cleared up, he asked to return and Buzz welcomed him.
Jameel had a basketball related issue after a week of practice in his first year.
And I am hardly the one that isn't calm here. Someday you will realize that background and circumstance matter, and that things that seem similar at a cursory glace, really aren't all that similar. That is definitely the case here.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on October 21, 2013, 08:14:49 AM
Well, I do know what I am talking about.
Juan had a non-basketball related issue at home that he felt he had to deal with. He had Buzz's full support. When it cleared up, he asked to return and Buzz welcomed him.
Jameel had a basketball related issue after a week of practice in his first year.
And I am hardly the one that isn't calm here. Someday you will realize that background and circumstance matter, and that things that seem similar at a cursory glace, really aren't all that similar. That is definitely the case here.
+1 The Jameel and Juan scenario's are light years apart in circumstance and are not relevant to be compared. Even the Jake Thomas leave and come back scenario is a more acceptable one than what McKay has pulled.
To a certain extent I think McKay is a shinning example of where the current culture has taken mid-level athletes. McKay talks a ton of junk on twitter (to the point I almost unfollowed a couple of times because it was clogging my timeline), but this is showing he is largely an "internet tough guy". What kids don't realize is you still do have to earn it, whether it's trash talking or being a little flamboyant or whatever, you have to have talent and drive that leads to results before you can just "be the man". I think Jameel has missed a step, and I hope he finds that step with his next team and is successful at life. With that, I'm moving on as I'd like to focus on the guys that are here and care like Juan.
Let's clear up once and for all why Juan left and then returned to MU. Received my copy of Blue Ribbon College Basketball Yearbook this weekend. In the MU write-up the true reason Juan left and returned..."After the season, Anderson asked Williams for a release to transfer out West and be closer to his Grandfather, who had been diagnosed with cancer. Williams, who called Anderson "like a son to me" said his mother talked her son out of the move and Williams welcomed him back...His mom never wanted him to leave. But it was a twenty year old, somewhat rushed decision to try to do what he felt was right. I'm never against a kid trying to do what is right for his family. As for his basketball ability, Williams calls him "the ultimate Marquette guy"...If you looked in an encyclopedia for what a Marquette guy is, there will be a picture of Juan there."
So, Juan left to be closer to his sick Grandfather. Certainly what we should all hope "A Marquette Guy" would do. I think he is going to have a breakout year and I'm glad he came back.
Quote from: denverMU on October 21, 2013, 11:56:44 AM
Let's clear up once and for all why Juan left and then returned to MU. Received my copy of Blue Ribbon College Basketball Yearbook this weekend. In the MU write-up the true reason Juan left and returned..."After the season, Anderson asked Williams for a release to transfer out West and be closer to his Grandfather, who had been diagnosed with cancer. Williams, who called Anderson "like a son to me" said his mother talked her son out of the move and Williams welcomed him back...His mom never wanted him to leave. But it was a twenty year old, somewhat rushed decision to try to do what he felt was right. I'm never against a kid trying to do what is right for his family. As for his basketball ability, Williams calls him "the ultimate Marquette guy"...If you looked in an encyclopedia for what a Marquette guy is, there will be a picture of Juan there."
So, Juan left to be closer to his sick Grandfather. Certainly what we should all hope "A Marquette Guy" would do. I think he is going to have a breakout year and I'm glad he came back.
But...but....but....according to MUHoopsFan2, Juan leaving at the end of the year because his grandfather had cancer "IS THE SAME THING" as McKay leaving after the first week of practice over a playing time issue.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on October 21, 2013, 12:00:51 PM
But...but....but....according to MUHoopsFan2, Juan leaving at the end of the year because his grandfather had cancer "IS THE SAME THING" as McKay leaving after the first week of practice over a playing time issue.
Well duh, of course it's the same thing.... if your grandfather is on your team and he's the one getting the bulk of "your" minutes.
Quote from: denverMU on October 21, 2013, 11:56:44 AM
Let's clear up once and for all why Juan left and then returned to MU. Received my copy of Blue Ribbon College Basketball Yearbook this weekend. In the MU write-up the true reason Juan left and returned..."After the season, Anderson asked Williams for a release to transfer out West and be closer to his Grandfather, who had been diagnosed with cancer. Williams, who called Anderson "like a son to me" said his mother talked her son out of the move and Williams welcomed him back...His mom never wanted him to leave. But it was a twenty year old, somewhat rushed decision to try to do what he felt was right. I'm never against a kid trying to do what is right for his family. As for his basketball ability, Williams calls him "the ultimate Marquette guy"...If you looked in an encyclopedia for what a Marquette guy is, there will be a picture of Juan there."
So, Juan left to be closer to his sick Grandfather. Certainly what we should all hope "A Marquette Guy" would do. I think he is going to have a breakout year and I'm glad he came back.
So Juan's return wasn't the result of someone giving him a holler?
Quote from: Pakuni on October 21, 2013, 12:11:13 PM
So Juan's return wasn't the result of someone giving him a holler?
Welp, my hopes just went out the window
For Jameel to comeback he would have to admit he made a mistake. I do not know him, but it seems that right now he believes he is a stud and that it is Buzz's fault he is not being used right. Someday he may decide he made a mistake, but I am guessing that will not happen soon.
How many players is Buzz like a father to?
Same thought.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 21, 2013, 07:14:36 PM
How many players is Buzz like a father to?
Plenty, and they don't have to be All Americans to qualify.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 21, 2013, 07:14:36 PM
How many players is Buzz like a father to?
Well, if you're playing the odds, I'd say fewer than Wilt Chamberlain.
Quote from: Benny B on October 21, 2013, 08:48:38 PM
Well, if you're playing the odds, I'd say fewer than Wilt Chamberlain.
or even Ralph Sampson
Quote from: Ultra Classic on October 22, 2013, 07:39:08 AM
or even Ralph Sampson
Buzz may be the Shawn Kemp of college coaches
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on October 21, 2013, 08:14:49 AM
Well, I do know what I am talking about.
Juan had a non-basketball related issue at home that he felt he had to deal with. He had Buzz's full support. When it cleared up, he asked to return and Buzz welcomed him.
Jameel had a basketball related issue after a week of practice in his first year.
And I am hardly the one that isn't calm here. Someday you will realize that background and circumstance matter, and that things that seem similar at a cursory glace, really aren't all that similar. That is definitely the case here.
I'm hoping that that basketball related issue was the realization that Steve Taylor, Jr. is a beast!
Something just popped into my head that Jae Crowder said about his first semester. Something like Buzz got on him and took his practice gear away. I think he was still able to practice, but he had to use his own shorts, etc. Jae decided to stick it out, and IIRC that eventually worked out well.