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Chirs Egi (2014 44 overall, 16 PF), 6"9, 220 PF just committed to Harvard. He was a 2015 target for Marquette but he reclassified and committed over the weekend.
Got to give props to Tommy Amaker, he's turning the Crimson into a real mid major power.
Harvard's new method of getting around the Ivy's athletic scholarship restrictions is really working for them. Be interesting to see if the rest of the league wises up and puts into place similar ways around the restrictions. Having a recruiter like Amaker and the unique academics Harvard offers is a real plus.
Quote from: brewcity77 on September 30, 2013, 11:33:59 AM
Harvard's new method of getting around the Ivy's athletic scholarship restrictions is really working for them. Be interesting to see if the rest of the league wises up and puts into place similar ways around the restrictions. Having a recruiter like Amaker and the unique academics Harvard offers is a real plus.
I'll say it again, the lack of athletic scholarships offered by Ivy League schools is incredibly overplayed. Having a close friend who was offered a position on the staff of an athletic team at Cornell (and declined), he knows very well how recruiting and scholarship money works at the Ivy League schools. Tuition at Ivy League schools is not a set amount. It all depends on the income of the family that the student has. They make it so that as long as you get into the school, you can afford to attend the school. He said that the only time a student (and thus, a student-athlete) needs to pay a significant amount of money for their tuition at an Ivy League school is if the household income is over something ridiculous like $250,000 per year, in which case the family obviously will not have problems paying that significant amount of money. On top of that, just like at Divison 3 schools (which do not give out "athletic" scholarships), Ivy League schools find ways to give out "academic" scholarships to their student-athletes to help cover the costs of tuition.
I believe my friend also said something along the lines of if a student could have a tuition that is cheaper at a different Ivy League school than the one they choose to attend, they can receive the same tuition that the other Ivy League school would have been, but I cannot remember the details of that.
So while student athletes at Ivy League schools may pay more than your full ride student-athletes, they are paying very, very little and getting an Ivy League education for it.
Quote from: brewcity77 on September 30, 2013, 11:33:59 AM
Harvard's new method of getting around the Ivy's athletic scholarship restrictions is really working for them. Be interesting to see if the rest of the league wises up and puts into place similar ways around the restrictions. Having a recruiter like Amaker and the unique academics Harvard offers is a real plus.
What is the method? As in, how is it different than other Ivys?
Quote from: mu-rara on September 30, 2013, 12:07:48 PM
What is the method? As in, how is it different than other Ivys?
As wades says, if you have a family income of less than a certain dollar amount, you have no tuition to pay. And it is graduated beyond that. Plus then they undoubted qualify for other aid by being a student with a special skill or somesuch.
The rest of the Ivies have pretty much matched, but some can't afford to discount as much as Harvard. Then on top of it all they have a coach who is over-employed for an Ivy...who is married to a psychiatrist with a PhD who is on staff at Harvard...and they can run circles around the rest of the schools.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on September 30, 2013, 12:46:39 PM
As wades says, if you have a family income of less than a certain dollar amount, you have no tuition to pay. And it is graduated beyond that. Plus then they undoubted qualify for other aid by being a student with a special skill or somesuch.
The rest of the Ivies have pretty much matched, but some can't afford to discount as much as Harvard. Then on top of it all they have a coach who is over-employed for an Ivy...who is married to a psychiatrist with a PhD who is on staff at Harvard...and they can run circles around the rest of the schools.
Thanks. Any word on whether he is happy being over-employed?
Quote from: mu-rara on September 30, 2013, 01:06:46 PM
Thanks. Any word on whether he is happy being over-employed?
Over-employed? How so?
He was an average coach in the BE and B10.
Quote from: Atticus on September 30, 2013, 01:36:01 PM
Over-employed? How so?
He was an average coach in the BE and B10.
I think he is better than the quality of coaches they usually get in the Ivy League. I wouldn't doubt that he leaves there eventually and is more successful than he was previously. Like both GTIII and Fran Dunphy have.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 30, 2013, 11:51:35 AM
Tuition at Ivy League schools is not a set amount. It all depends on the income of the family that the student has. They make it so that as long as you get into the school, you can afford to attend the school. He said that the only time a student (and thus, a student-athlete) needs to pay a significant amount of money for their tuition at an Ivy League school is if the household income is over something ridiculous like $250,000 per year, in which case the family obviously will not have problems paying that significant amount of money.
So while student athletes at Ivy League schools may pay more than your full ride student-athletes, they are paying very, very little and getting an Ivy League education for it.
I currently pay a tuition at Harvard and I can tell you this is largely true.
The "posted" tuition rate at Harvard is $40k/year (plus room and board). However 65% of the current Freshman class is paying less than the "posted" rate.
Families that make less than $75,000 can apply for a 100% tuition break (and a 100% room and board break). In most cases a 100% is granted.
Families that make between $75,000 and $150,000 are paying an average $12,000/year.
The ivies are unique because with huge endowments ($33 billion for Harvard and $20 billion for Yale) they can afford these substantial discounts in tuition.
Why are they doing it? Because the Ivies have identified that "lower income" kids are not applying because these kids assume they cannot afford it. In reality the ivies are among the cheapest selective schools in the country. So this is not a scam for athletics, discounted tuition applies to all students.
And, it is having an immediate impact on non-revenue sports. The ivies are now competing and winning national championships in cross country, hockey, tennis lacrosse, track & field and so on.
Right now the SEC dominates in football, the old BE in basketball and the Pac-12 in non-revenue sports. So who will supplement these leaders? Maybe the Ivies?
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on September 30, 2013, 02:01:18 PM
Right now the SEC dominates in football, the old BE in basketball and the Pac-12 in non-revenue sports. So who will supplement these leaders? Maybe the Ivies?
A select few programs in the Ivy League have very successful non-revenue generating sports teams. They can be competitive so long as there are no professional leagues to go to after graduation. The ivy schools won't reduce their admissions criteria to compete with Bama in football. Harvard basketball has probably peaked. ivy lax has been down in recent years and the new ACC will dominate that sport.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on September 30, 2013, 01:55:20 PM
I think he is better than the quality of coaches they usually get in the Ivy League. I wouldn't doubt that he leaves there eventually and is more successful than he was previously. Like both GTIII and Fran Dunphy have.
Agree. Amaker was very young when he became a head coach at Seton Hall and still young when he went to Michigan. My guess is he learned a lot in and since his first shot at the "big time" and the mixed results he had will be better if or when there's a next time.
Quote from: Atticus on September 30, 2013, 02:24:25 PM
A select few programs in the Ivy League have very successful non-revenue generating sports teams. They can be competitive so long as there are no professional leagues to go to after graduation. The ivy schools won't reduce their admissions criteria to compete with Bama in football. Harvard basketball has probably peaked. ivy lax has been down in recent years and the new ACC will dominate that sport.
Ok, the ivies may not be able to surpass Bama, but it's not unrealistic to think they can get as competitive as ND, Stanford, Duke or another highly selective school. And, if they have a moral blind-spot and look away when cheating occurs, they could be like the highly selective schools of USC and "The U."
I'm not saying they
will be, rather they
could be should they decide that is what they want. And the substantial tuition discounting programs they started four or five years ago could be the device to make this happen as Ammaker is finding out.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on September 30, 2013, 02:33:33 PM
Ok, the ivies may not be able to surpass Bama, but it's not unrealistic to think they can get as competitive as ND, Stanford, Duke or another highly selective school. And, if they have a moral blind-spot and look away when cheating occurs, they could be like the highly selective schools of USC and "The U."
I'm not saying they will be, rather they could be should they decide that is what they want. And the substantial tuition discounting programs they started four or five years ago could be the device to make this happen as Ammaker is finding out.
It is very much unrealistic to think that they will be like ND, Stanford, Duke, etc. Those three schools offer full scholarships to football players. Harvard and the other Ivies do not....but they rely on the tuition breaks offered to all other students.
The Ivies could become competitive in football if....they either discount their tuition further OR start with athletic scholarships....they drop the FCS for FBS....and they drop their ban on post-season football. But really none of that is going to happen.
Now an Ivy *could* get more competitive in basketball. For instance if Harvard continues down its current path, it isn't *completely* inconceivable that they could become a Gonzaga like program. Much less players and resources needed...and they can continue to operate in their current structure as long as they attract the players.
But football? Not a chance.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on September 30, 2013, 02:33:33 PM
Ok, the ivies may not be able to surpass Bama, but it's not unrealistic to think they can get as competitive as ND, Stanford, Duke or another highly selective school. And, if they have a moral blind-spot and look away when cheating occurs, they could be like the highly selective schools of USC and "The U."
I'm not saying they will be, rather they could be should they decide that is what they want. And the substantial tuition discounting programs they started four or five years ago could be the device to make this happen as Ammaker is finding out.
It will never happen. Princetons AD is disgusted with collegiate athletics. The Ivy League will never play along.
Btw, kids that don't score high enough on their sat to get into Stanford often end up at ND. It happens every year with a recruit or two.
princetons AD comments - http://www.mycentraljersey.com/article/20130928/NJSPORTS02/309280045?nclick_check=1
Quote from: Atticus on September 30, 2013, 02:42:55 PM
It will never happen. Princetons AD is disgusted with collegiate athletics. The Ivy League will never play along.
Btw, kids that don't score high enough on their sat to get into Stanford often end up at ND. It happens every year with a recruit or two.
princetons AD comments - http://www.mycentraljersey.com/article/20130928/NJSPORTS02/309280045?nclick_check=1
Yale won the Hockey NC.
Dartmouth girls are in the hunt for the cross country national championship
Ivy Tennis is on the verge of dominating the NCAA
Harvard Basketball was ranked last year and could be again this year.
My point is the Princeton AD comments are not reflective of the rest of the ivies.
Again, I'm arguing the tuition discounting program has ushered in defacto scholarships which is new in the last four or 5 years. This gives them a new tool to compete with the schools that offer scholarships.
Until this program they could not compete because of educational demands and costs. The educational demands are still there but now the costs are not. So the ivies have a decision to make ... do they want to try and be among the best in athletics? Now they can offer no tuition which changes things.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on September 30, 2013, 02:01:18 PM
I currently pay a tuition at Harvard and I can tell you this is largely true.
The "posted" tuition rate at Harvard is $40k/year (plus room and board). However 65% of the current Freshman class is paying less than the "posted" rate.
Families that make less than $75,000 can apply for a 100% tuition break (and a 100% room and board break). In most cases a 100% is granted.
Families that make between $75,000 and $150,000 are paying an average $12,000/year.
The ivies are unique because with huge endowments ($33 billion for Harvard and $20 billion for Yale) they can afford these substantial discounts in tuition.
Why are they doing it? Because the Ivies have identified that "lower income" kids are not applying because these kids assume they cannot afford it. In reality the ivies are among the cheapest selective schools in the country. So this is not a scam for athletics, discounted tuition applies to all students.
And, it is having an immediate impact on non-revenue sports. The ivies are now competing and winning national championships in cross country, hockey, tennis lacrosse, track & field and so on.
Right now the SEC dominates in football, the old BE in basketball and the Pac-12 in non-revenue sports. So who will supplement these leaders? Maybe the Ivies?
So, let's get right down to it. How much you payin'?
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on September 30, 2013, 02:58:50 PM
Yale won the Hockey NC.
Dartmouth girls are in the hunt for the cross country national championship
Ivy Tennis is on the verge of dominating the NCAA
Harvard Basketball was ranked last year and could be again this year.
My point is the Princeton AD comments are not reflective of the rest of the ivies.
Again, I'm arguing the tuition discounting program has ushered in defacto scholarships which is new in the last four or 5 years. This gives them a new tool to compete with the schools that offer scholarships.
Until this program they could not compete because of educational demands and costs. The educational demands are still there but now the costs are not. So the ivies have a decision to make ... do they want to try and be among the best in athletics? Now they can offer no tuition which changes things.
You make it sound like it wasn't their choice to offer athletic scholarships. If they wanted to try to be the best in athletics before this, they could have done so by simply changing that policy. Why didn't they do that?
Harvard is lowering their academic requirements for athletes while ensuring they qualify for full tuition coverage. Yes, Amaker is the highest profile coach the Ivy has seen in awhile, but there's a reason they've become suddenly dominant after going over 60 years between NCAA berths. They may not be getting busted for violations (yet), but anyone that thinks they are playing the same game as the rest of the Ivy League is mistaken.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/02/sports/ncaabasketball/02harvard.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/news?slug=jh-hart_harvard_tommy_amaker_financial_aid_031412
http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2013/03/harvard_basketball_how_an_elite_academic_institution_became_part_of_the.html
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on September 30, 2013, 02:33:33 PM
I'm not saying they will be, rather they could be should they decide that is what they want. And the substantial tuition discounting programs they started four or five years ago could be the device to make this happen as Ammaker is finding out.
So they "could" build a dorm for athletes like UK.
They "could" bring in jucos who were ineligible out of high school.
They "could" recruit using bags of cash, cars and houses.
They "could" allow athletes to skip classes...enroll in fake degree programs...etc.
Of course, every program in the country could do all of those things.
And then there is Harvards alumni base....that doesn't care.
Quote from: Atticus on September 30, 2013, 04:49:18 PM
And then there is Harvards alumni base....that doesn't care.
I can assure you that the Harvard alumni base does care about rivalries within the Ivy League. I am not certain many actually aspire to compete or choose to compare with programs in the SEC, B1G, et al.
Harvard has a huge endowment but they can't offer schollies.
Moot point if this "pay the athletes" goes down, right?
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on September 30, 2013, 05:03:29 PM
Harvard has a huge endowment
I had never heard about John Harvard's endowment but I know his statue in the Old Yard puts him at about 6' tall.
By the way, I was invited to a Lechon Baboy feast a couple weekends ago. Cebu-style Lechon, pancit, lumpia, San Miguel's, and balut. My arteries are just now returning to normal. I love Filipino food.
Quote from: keefe on September 30, 2013, 05:11:48 PM
I had never heard about John Harvard's endowment but I know his statue in the Old Yard puts him at about 6' tall.
By the way, I was invited to a Lechon Baboy feast a couple weekends ago. Cebu-style Lechon, pancit, lumpia, San Miguel's, and balut. My arteries are just now returning to normal. I love Filipino food.
Keefe, it's good to know you snack with on some of the finest Southeast Asia has to offer.
"The Crossroads of Asia" has such a rich and diverse culinary history.
But two things ring true about Filipino food: 1) if you have a food allergy, check it at the door and 2) there's no such as a cholesterol-free Filipino dish.
I hope you got your belly-busting fill, pare!
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on September 30, 2013, 05:16:20 PM
Keefe, it's good to know you snack with on some of the finest Southeast Asia has to offer.
"The Crossroads of Asia" has such a rich and diverse culinary history.
But two things ring true about Filipino food: 1) if you have a food allergy, check it at the door and 2) there's no such as a cholesterol-free Filipino dish.
I hope you got your belly-busting fill, pare!
I have spent a lot of time at both Clark and Cubi but I got to know the Philippines better as a corporate warrior. I often went to Makati for work and Cebu and Boracay for fun. There is a great Lechon place in Makati that is all you can eat roast suckling...but good Lord there is only so much you can eat before hitting the wall. In the provinces I always focused on seafood. They bbq fresh fish and lobster over coconut fires then top with an array of sauces. With dinner I always had a few Mojos before shifting gears into a long night with San Miguel. St Mike never disappointed (ito ang beer!)
One thing I will say, the Philippines has some of the most stupendously gorgeous women to grace this earth. The cross roads factor has infused the DNA pool with Polynesian, Spanish, Chinese, Malay, Japanese, and American blood to concoct some of the most luscious creatures to walk on a sandy beach. I am surprised my neck isn't permanently whiplashed from my time in the islands.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on September 30, 2013, 02:58:50 PM
Yale won the Hockey NC.
Dartmouth girls are in the hunt for the cross country national championship
Ivy Tennis is on the verge of dominating the NCAA
Harvard Basketball was ranked last year and could be again this year.
My point is the Princeton AD comments are not reflective of the rest of the ivies.
Again, I'm arguing the tuition discounting program has ushered in defacto scholarships which is new in the last four or 5 years. This gives them a new tool to compete with the schools that offer scholarships.
Until this program they could not compete because of educational demands and costs. The educational demands are still there but now the costs are not. So the ivies have a decision to make ... do they want to try and be among the best in athletics? Now they can offer no tuition which changes things.
No they do not. They addressed that question some time ago. Harvard's current success in basketball is not going to turn that decision on its head. None of the Ivies needs sports to get their name out there to prospective students, or to generate alumni donations.
Quote from: LittleMurs on September 30, 2013, 08:12:08 PM
No they do not. They addressed that question some time ago. Harvard's current success in basketball is not going to turn that decision on its head. None of the Ivies needs sports to get their name out there to prospective students, or to generate alumni donations.
Keefe said it well here ... the alumni base cares A GREAT DEAL about beating other ivies. If an arms race within the ivies begins ...
Quote from: keefe on September 30, 2013, 04:59:30 PM
I can assure you that the Harvard alumni base does care about rivalries within the Ivy League. I am not certain many actually aspire to compete or choose to compare with programs in the SEC, B1G, et al.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on October 01, 2013, 01:00:48 PM
Keefe said it well here ... the alumni base cares A GREAT DEAL about beating other ivies. If an arms race within the ivies begins ...
Then they will all work to be competitive within the current structure of the Ivy League.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on October 01, 2013, 01:20:26 PM
Then they will all work to be competitive within the current structure of the Ivy League.
But Ammaker's recruiting success at Harvard coupled with their non-revenue sports suggests they might breakout of that structure.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on October 01, 2013, 01:24:48 PM
But Ammaker's recruiting success at Harvard coupled with their non-revenue sports suggests they might breakout of that structure.
Not really. Their success in non-revenue sports has been limited...and not that many people care anyway.
And Harvard's success on the basketball court is nice, but pretty limited to date.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on October 01, 2013, 01:45:33 PM
Not really. Their success in non-revenue sports has been limited...and not that many people care anyway.
And Harvard's success on the basketball court is nice, but pretty limited to date.
I realize the only time you went to Harvard was as a visitor but I can assure you that Harvard's crew team finishing the 2013 season ranked #2 was a very big deal among the Harvard student body and Alumni. In 2013, all 8 Ivy crew teams were ranked in the Top 20, including 5 of the Top 10.
Men's Varsity Eight
1 University of Washington
2 Harvard University
3 Brown University
4 Stanford University
5 Northeastern University
6 University of California
7 Princeton University
8 Yale University
9 Boston University
10 United States Naval Academy
11 Cornell University
12 University of Wisconsin
13 University of Pennsylvania
14 Syracuse University
15 Georgetown University
16 Dartmouth College
17 Columbia University
18 Drexel University
19 Oregon State University
20 College of the Holy Cross
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on October 01, 2013, 01:45:33 PM
Not really. Their success in non-revenue sports has been limited...and not that many people care anyway.
And Harvard's success on the basketball court is nice, but pretty limited to date.
You're looking backwards. I'm saying the tuition discount program (which is 4 or 5 years old) and the recent success in recruiting by Ammaker is showing the Ivies an entirely new way to compete in D1 sports. They now have a defacto scholarship program.
Now
do they want to do it? That is the question. In sports like Hockey, Tennis, Cross Country, and Crew they are as good as any D1 program in the country.
Do they want to continue to expand that? If they do, they can be a force.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on October 01, 2013, 04:01:51 PM
You're looking backwards. I'm saying the tuition discount program (which is 4 or 5 years old) and the recent success in recruiting by Ammaker is showing the Ivies an entirely new way to compete in D1 sports. They now have a defacto scholarship program.
Now do they want to do it? That is the question. In sports like Hockey, Tennis, Cross Country, and Crew they are as good as any D1 program in the country. Do they want to continue to expand that? If they do, they can be a force.
I doubt Harvard ever admits the kind of kids they would have to admit to ever become a force. There are only so many
really smart kids who are good at basketball.
As for hockey, Harvard hasn't been to the NCAA tournament in seven seasons and have finished under .500 five of the last seven years. They are not as good as any D1 program in the country.
Quote from: keefe on October 01, 2013, 03:09:33 PM
I realize the only time you went to Harvard was as a visitor but I can assure you that Harvard's crew team finishing the 2013 season ranked #2 was a very big deal among the Harvard student body and Alumni. In 2013, all 8 Ivy crew teams were ranked in the Top 20, including 5 of the Top 10.
No one outside of Harvard gives a sh*t.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on October 01, 2013, 04:01:51 PM
You're looking backwards. I'm saying the tuition discount program (which is 4 or 5 years old) and the recent success in recruiting by Ammaker is showing the Ivies an entirely new way to compete in D1 sports. They now have a defacto scholarship program.
Now do they want to do it? That is the question. In sports like Hockey, Tennis, Cross Country, and Crew they are as good as any D1 program in the country. Do they want to continue to expand that? If they do, they can be a force.
Let me put it this way.
They could decide to jump up to FBS, offer a bunch of scholarships, throw a bunch of money at the programs...and they would still be a long way from being a power.
But they aren't going to do any of that anyway.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on October 01, 2013, 04:50:04 PM
No one outside of Harvard gives a sh*t.
You must "give a sh*t" since you feel the need to go on about Harvard athletics and the personal interests of members of the Harvard community. Why not limit yourself to a world you actually know something about, like Indiana State University.
Quote from: keefe on September 30, 2013, 06:57:20 PM
I have spent a lot of time at both Clark and Cubi but I got to know the Philippines better as a corporate warrior. I often went to Makati for work and Cebu and Boracay for fun. There is a great Lechon place in Makati that is all you can eat roast suckling...but good Lord there is only so much you can eat before hitting the wall. In the provinces I always focused on seafood. They bbq fresh fish and lobster over coconut fires then top with an array of sauces. With dinner I always had a few Mojos before shifting gears into a long night with San Miguel. St Mike never disappointed (ito ang beer!)
One thing I will say, the Philippines has some of the most stupendously gorgeous women to grace this earth. The cross roads factor has infused the DNA pool with Polynesian, Spanish, Chinese, Malay, Japanese, and American blood to concoct some of the most luscious creatures to walk on a sandy beach. I am surprised my neck isn't permanently whiplashed from my time in the islands.
I agree with the latter paragraph. Miss Universe (whatever) can attest to it (though she's not my cup of tea).
It's funny: I visited Cebu and the girls there looked better than the girls in Manila. Go figure.
I went to a buffet in Makati as well that served AYCE suckling, squid, fish, etc. Craziness. All the fresh food for under $8 per person (including drinks and dessert). So that's where I celebrated my birthday and invited relatives from all the barangays you can think of! It was cheap...and good! I miss it.
But I miss the fresh fish the most. Really hard to find it here in the states.
Quote from: keefe on October 01, 2013, 05:12:36 PM
You must "give a sh*t" since you feel the need to go on about Harvard athletics and the personal interests of members of the Harvard community. Why not limit yourself to a world you actually know something about, like Indiana State University.
When you understand the point of the topic at hand, feel free to participate. But it looks as though you are just using this topic as yet another way to talk a lot about yourself and your accomplishments.
Regardless, the point is that you don't pave the way toward dominance in athletics, and Another is the one that mentioned Notre Dame, Stanford and Miami (FL), by excelling in non-revenue sports. Those sports are "non-revenue" for a reason. The general public really doesn't care all that much.
The can be a great rallying point for the limited number of people that do care...like those who care about Crew at Harvard. (A real cross section of America I am sure...) But since the topic is how the Ivies could become powers in athletics, what Harvard alumni feel about crew is ultimately irrelevant to the discussion.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on October 02, 2013, 03:26:23 AM
I agree with the latter paragraph. Miss Universe (whatever) can attest to it (though she's not my cup of tea).
It's funny: I visited Cebu and the girls there looked better than the girls in Manila. Go figure.
I went to a buffet in Makati as well that served AYCE suckling, squid, fish, etc. Craziness. All the fresh food for under $8 per person (including drinks and dessert). So that's where I celebrated my birthday and invited relatives from all the barangays you can think of! It was cheap...and good! I miss it.
But I miss the fresh fish the most. Really hard to find it here in the states.
Cebu is one of my favorite spots. The diving is incredible, the sport fishing excellent, the seafood superb, and the women are stunning. I am not one to laze on a beach but the white sand there is some of the best in the world. And it's enough off the beaten track to avoid the hordes of fat Germans and drunk Aussies who trash Nusa Dua, Phuket, and other beach ASEAN destinations.
Most of my work had me in Metro Manila so I stayed at the Shangri La in Makati. The lechon place I frequented is a short trot from the hotel but my favorite tended to be the street food/food court fare. You probably know the large Victory and Rabbit bus terminal adjacent to the Shangri La that has throngs of food vendors serving up traditional dishes. For under 100P you could pound down kwek kwek, lumpia, pancit, bola bola, calamares, and various monkey meat on a stick. One of my favorite things was to visit a fresh juice vendor at that terminal after a run and have her make me about 4 or 5 calamansis with the cane sugar. There is no Gatorade that can compare.
One of the best dinners I ever had was held at the Itramuros in the courtyard of the Archbishop's Residence. There must have been 20 courses and the food was exquisite but the setting was enchanting. Manila has such a rich history.
As for seafood, you must live in the Midwest. Seattle has superb fresh seafood and the public markets and Uwajimaya offer sushi grade catch. But the fish here is different than in ASEAN and what truly differentiates is the preparation. One of the best dishes ever created is grilled chili stingray with Tiger/San Miguel/ Bintang. And that is simply not available in North America.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on October 02, 2013, 07:31:36 AM
Regardless, the point is that you don't pave the way toward dominance in athletics, and Another is the one that mentioned Notre Dame, Stanford and Miami (FL), by excelling in non-revenue sports. Those sports are "non-revenue" for a reason. The general public really doesn't care all that much.
The can be a great rallying point for the limited number of people that do care...like those who care about Crew at Harvard. (A real cross section of America I am sure...) But since the topic is how the Ivies could become powers in athletics, what Harvard alumni feel about crew is ultimately irrelevant to the discussion.
As my table listing the final Crew Rankings demonstrates, the Ivies do have a national presence in athletics. And do not confuse monetization with support. You use the benchmark of revenue generation as the sole determinant of efficacy and therein lies the flaw in your logic.
You make the point that "nobody cares" when, in fact, the crew teams at the Ivies are an integral part of the university community identity. Crew rivalries span the Atlantic Ocean as well. And of note, the Harvard-Oxford Regatta is actually called the "America vs England Regatta." There is significant interest in this event that includes the White House and 10 Downing Street. What I believe you are saying is actually, "I don't know anything about crew, it is of no interest to me, so therefore nobody should care. And see, it's not on TV so there is the proof that nobody cares!"
There is a whole world out there, beyond the somnambulance of your existence, that you seemingly do not understand.
Quote from: keefe on October 02, 2013, 01:29:02 PM
As my table listing the final Crew Rankings demonstrates, the Ivies do have a national presence in athletics. And do not confuse monetization with support. You use the benchmark of revenue generation as the sole determinant of efficacy and therein lies the flaw in your logic.
You make the point that "nobody cares" when, in fact, the crew teams at the Ivies are an integral part of the university community identity. Crew rivalries span the Atlantic Ocean as well. And of note, the Harvard-Oxford Regatta is actually called the "America vs England Regatta." There is significant interest in this event that includes the White House and 10 Downing Street. What I believe you are saying is actually, "I don't know anything about crew, it is of no interest to me, so therefore nobody should care. And see, it's not on TV so there is the proof that nobody cares!"
There is a whole world out there, beyond the somnambulance of your existence, that you seemingly do not understand.
Being good at crew does not mean they have a "national presence in athletics" in the manner that Another84 was using the phrase. He was specifically equating that phrase with being a power at the revenue generating sports in particular.
And I like a bunch of stuff that most people don't care about. I just am not self-centered enough to believe that my interests equate to interests of the public at large.
Quote from: keefe on October 01, 2013, 03:09:33 PM
I realize the only time you went to Harvard was as a visitor but I can assure you that Harvard's crew team finishing the 2013 season ranked #2 was a very big deal among the Harvard student body and Alumni. In 2013, all 8 Ivy crew teams were ranked in the Top 20, including 5 of the Top 10.
Men's Varsity Eight
1 University of Washington
2 Harvard University
3 Brown University
4 Stanford University
5 Northeastern University
6 University of California
7 Princeton University
8 Yale University
9 Boston University
10 United States Naval Academy
11 Cornell University
12 University of Wisconsin
13 University of Pennsylvania
14 Syracuse University
15 Georgetown University
16 Dartmouth College
17 Columbia University
18 Drexel University
19 Oregon State University
20 College of the Holy Cross
This post reminds me of George Clooney's smug cloud from South Park. Can picture the snifter of farts in kweefe's hand as I type.
Quote from: keefe on October 02, 2013, 01:29:02 PM
You make the point that "nobody cares" when, in fact, the crew teams at the Ivies are an integral part of the university community identity. Crew rivalries span the Atlantic Ocean as well. And of note, the Harvard-Oxford Regatta is actually called the "America vs England Regatta." There is significant interest in this event that includes the White House and 10 Downing Street. What I believe you are saying is actually, "I don't know anything about crew, it is of no interest to me, so therefore nobody should care. And see, it's not on TV so there is the proof that nobody cares!"
Significant interest - however you choose to define that - in a single event based largely on tradition does not equate to significant interest in the sport.
It's akin to arguing that horse racing has a massive following because 165,000 people attend the Kentucky Derby, or open-wheel racing is huge in America because 300,000 show up for the Indianapolis 500.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 30, 2013, 11:51:35 AM
He said that the only time a student (and thus, a student-athlete) needs to pay a significant amount of money for their tuition at an Ivy League school is if the household income is over something ridiculous like $250,000 per year, in which case the family obviously will not have problems paying that significant amount of money.
There is no way you could send your kid to Harvard if you were only making $250k/year without taking a 2nd mortgage or dipping into savings.
http://www.debate.org/opinions/is-a-couple-making-250-000-a-year-considered-rich-anymore-considering-how-fast-costs-are-rising
Quote from: Pakuni on October 02, 2013, 02:11:26 PM
Significant interest - however you choose to define that - in a single event based largely on tradition does not equate to significant interest in the sport.
It's akin to arguing that horse racing has a massive following because 165,000 people attend the Kentucky Derby, or open-wheel racing is huge in America because 300,000 show up for the Indianapolis 500.
Crew is a season and not a single event. I cite the Harvard-Oxford Regatta as evidence that the sport has interest in both the US and UK with significant sponsorship at the highest levels of society. If the PM makes a point to attend that event it is relevant for British society as a whole. And on campuses in both nations crew is a vital element in the life of those communities. Marquette doesn't have crew but many schools do. It is ludicrous to say "nobody cares" when in fact many do.
Quote from: keefe on October 02, 2013, 02:34:37 PM
Crew is a season and not a single event. I cite the Harvard-Oxford Regatta as evidence that the sport has interest in both the US and UK with significant sponsorship at the highest levels of society. If the PM makes a point to attend that event it is relevant for British society as a whole. And on campuses in both nations crew is a vital element in the life of those communities. Marquette doesn't have crew but many schools do. It is ludicrous to say "nobody cares" when in fact many do.
I don't think Sultan was stating "literally" nobody cares. I'm pretty sure you're smart enough to know that, as well.
What's the attendance like for a run-of-the-mill crew match (meet?) between a pair of the Ivies?
Quote from: Pakuni on October 02, 2013, 02:40:38 PM
I don't think Sultan was stating "literally" nobody cares. I'm pretty sure you're smart enough to know that, as well.
What's the attendance like for a run-of-the-mill crew match (meet?) between a pair of the Ivies?
The Harvard-Yale Regatta will attract a couple hundred thousand spectators along the course.
Here is the Eli view of this event:
THE TRADITION CONTINUES
Sports Illustrated named this event the most venerable rivalry in college sports, and its history predates the great football rivalry between the schools by 23 years. Crews from Yale and Harvard first met on Lake Winnipesaukee in New Hampshire on Aug. 3, 1852, the first intercollegiate athletic competition of any kind in the United States. Harvard won that first meeting and has built a 93-54 lead in the series. Harvard's junior varsity holds a 74-37 edge, while its freshmen are 70-39-1 against Yale.http://www.yalebulldogs.com/sports/m-crewhvy/2012-13/releases/20130604o8ehoj
Quote from: keefe on October 02, 2013, 02:47:07 PM
The Harvard-Yale Regatta will attract a couple hundred thousand spectators along the course.
Here is the Eli view of this event:
THE TRADITION CONTINUES
Sports Illustrated named this event the most venerable rivalry in college sports, and its history predates the great football rivalry between the schools by 23 years. Crews from Yale and Harvard first met on Lake Winnipesaukee in New Hampshire on Aug. 3, 1852, the first intercollegiate athletic competition of any kind in the United States. Harvard won that first meeting and has built a 93-54 lead in the series. Harvard's junior varsity holds a 74-37 edge, while its freshmen are 70-39-1 against Yale.
http://www.yalebulldogs.com/sports/m-crewhvy/2012-13/releases/20130604o8ehoj
Yale never wins that.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on October 02, 2013, 03:01:52 PM
Yale never wins that.
Yea, that rock on the Thames is almost always Crimson. The Regatta is a great sporting event.
Quote from: keefe on October 02, 2013, 02:47:07 PM
The Harvard-Yale Regatta will attract a couple hundred thousand spectators along the course.
Here is the Eli view of this event:
THE TRADITION CONTINUES
Sports Illustrated named this event the most venerable rivalry in college sports, and its history predates the great football rivalry between the schools by 23 years. Crews from Yale and Harvard first met on Lake Winnipesaukee in New Hampshire on Aug. 3, 1852, the first intercollegiate athletic competition of any kind in the United States. Harvard won that first meeting and has built a 93-54 lead in the series. Harvard's junior varsity holds a 74-37 edge, while its freshmen are 70-39-1 against Yale.
http://www.yalebulldogs.com/sports/m-crewhvy/2012-13/releases/20130604o8ehoj
The Harvard Yale Regatta is an event more akin to the Kentucky Derby than a typical crew match. I'm more interested in knowing what kind of crowd shows for a typical weekday competition pitting Cornell vs Brown, since that's much more of an accurate reflection of how "integral" the sport is to the schools' identities.
Quote from: Pakuni on October 02, 2013, 03:14:20 PM
The Harvard Yale Regatta is an event more akin to the Kentucky Derby than a typical crew match. I'm more interested in knowing what kind of crowd shows for a typical weekday competition pitting Cornell vs Brown, since that's much more of an accurate reflection of how "integral" the sport is to the schools' identities.
I would say it is more akin to the Michigan-Ohio game which is a part of the regular season rather than a one-off annual event. And like the Michigan-Ohio game the Harvard-Yale Regatta attracts considerable interest.
Regattas at Harvard on the Charles attract tens of thousands of spectators. So do Michigan Regattas along the Huron and UDub Regattas on Lake Washington. Crew is an international and Olympic sport. To suggest it is a marginal or trivial past time is naïve if not ignorant.
http://seattletimes.com/html/huskies/2021351324_regional08xml.html
Quote from: keefe on October 02, 2013, 03:23:49 PM
Crew is an international and Olympic sport. To suggest it is a marginal or trivial past time is naïve if not ignorant.
It is marginal in the sports world of America today...which is exactly the context in which AnotherMU84 was making an argument.
No one doubts that Harvard Crew is important to alumni of Harvard. No one doubts that there are a fair number of people who are interested in Crew as a sport. However, that doesn't mean that the sport has a wide degree of popularity. And it doesn't mean that it is going to drive the Ivy League to be more of an athletic power **IN THE CONTEXT** that Another was using. (See, let's go back to the original point of the thread...and not turn it into something else it wasn't meant to be.)
Believe me, my kids ran cross country in high school. Running is the in the Olympics too, and a lot of people like to go to random cross country meets even if they don't have a rooting interest. And I absolutely loved going to the meets and being part of that. But even I know that this doesn't mean that cross country is another more than a small drop in the American sports pond.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on October 02, 2013, 03:32:15 PM
It is marginal in the sports world of America today...which is exactly the context in which AnotherMU84 was making an argument.
No one doubts that Harvard Crew is important to alumni of Harvard. No one doubts that there are a fair number of people who are interested in Crew as a sport. However, that doesn't mean that the sport has a wide degree of popularity. And it doesn't mean that it is going to drive the Ivy League to be more of an athletic power **IN THE CONTEXT** that Another was using. (See, let's go back to the original point of the thread...and not turn it into something else it wasn't meant to be.)
Believe me, my kids ran cross country in high school. Running is the in the Olympics too, and a lot of people like to go to random cross country meets even if they don't have a rooting interest. And I absolutely loved going to the meets and being part of that. But even I know that this doesn't mean that cross country is another more than a small drop in the American sports pond.
AnotherMU84's point is that the Ivies are competitive in a number of sports and can become so in football with changes in financial support. He also argues that the Ivies are now competitive in significant sports, which includes Crew. Your opinion that Crew is not a major sport is just that - your opinion. In the history and ongoing life of certain universities Crew is a vital element of what constitutes their identity. Your ignorance of that perspective notwithstanding, Crew has helped define the collegiate experience of students in many countries since before the American Civil War.
Quote from: keefe on October 02, 2013, 03:48:57 PM
AnotherMU84's point is that the Ivies are competitive in a number of sports and can become so in football with changes in financial support. He also argues that the Ivies are now competitive in significant sports, which includes Crew. Your opinion that Crew is not a major sport is just that - your opinion. In the history and ongoing life of certain universities Crew is a vital element of what constitutes their identity. Your ignorance of that perspective notwithstanding, Crew has helped define the collegiate experience of students in many countries since before the American Civil War.
I know that crew is important in the lives of some universities. I even acknowledged that.
But that doesn't make it a major sport. It is a fringe sport with a small, but passionate, fanbase. You can call me ignorant all you want, but you simply are unwilling to admit the obvious.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on October 02, 2013, 03:57:47 PM
I know that crew is important in the lives of some universities. I even acknowledged that.
But that doesn't make it a major sport. It is a fringe sport with a small, but passionate, fanbase. You can call me ignorant all you want, but you simply are unwilling to admit the obvious.
Crew is a major intercollegiate sport governed by the NCAA. So is Track and Field. And Lacrosse. And Baseball. And Volleyball. Why you say otherwise is puzzling.
Quote from: keefe on October 02, 2013, 04:37:18 PM
Crew is a major intercollegiate sport governed by the NCAA. So is Track and Field. And Lacrosse. And Baseball. And Volleyball. Why you say otherwise is puzzling.
Duh. Because it has a small fanbase when compared to the major sports.
Seriously...stop being so intentionally obtuse.
Quote from: keefe on October 02, 2013, 04:37:18 PM
Crew is a major intercollegiate sport governed by the NCAA. So is Track and Field. And ed spLacrosse. And Baseball. And Volleyball. Why you say otherwise is puzzling.
All folks are saying is that most view those collegiate sports as "minor". Spectator interest and/or attendance for those collegiate sports is very limited other than rather limited situations around the country on a case by case basis. Certainly these collegiate sports are of great interest to some, but most just don't care.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on October 02, 2013, 04:41:31 PM
Duh. Because it has a small fanbase when compared to the major sports.
Seriously...stop being so intentionally obtuse.
Small fan base? As evidenced by the hundreds of thousands who watch the Harvard-Yale Regatta? That figure is
more than the total home season attendance of Marquette basketball. Add in the 50,000 at each Harvard-hosted Regatta on the Charles and Marquette's home attendance is dwarfed by Harvard Crew. I guess, then, that Marquette Basketball is minor compared to Harvard Crew.
Stop being so obtuse. Intentionally so, I presume. Seriously.
Quote from: keefe on October 02, 2013, 04:48:11 PM
Small fan base? As evidenced by the hundreds of thousands who watch the Harvard-Yale Regatta? That figure is more than the total home season attendance of Marquette basketball. Add in the 50,000 at each Harvard-hosted Regatta on the Charles and Marquette's home attendance is dwarfed by Harvard Crew. I guess, then, that Marquette Basketball is minor compared to Harvard Crew.
Stop being so obtuse. Intentionally so, I presume. Seriously.
Television.
Quote from: keefe on October 02, 2013, 04:48:11 PM
Small fan base? As evidenced by the hundreds of thousands who watch the Harvard-Yale Regatta? That figure is more than the total home season attendance of Marquette basketball. Add in the 50,000 at each Harvard-hosted Regatta on the Charles and Marquette's home attendance is dwarfed by Harvard Crew. I guess, then, that Marquette Basketball is minor compared to Harvard Crew.
Stop being so obtuse. Intentionally so, I presume. Seriously.
Is crew broadcast on any major network? No.
Does the total crew attendance rival total football or basketball attendance? No.
Do you find crew highlights regularly on ESPN and their ilk? No.
Minor sport.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on October 02, 2013, 04:52:47 PM
Is crew broadcast on any major network? No.
Does the total crew attendance rival total football or basketball attendance? No.
Do you find crew highlights regularly on ESPN and their ilk? No.
Minor sport.
Actually, Crew/Rowing is broadcast. Globally. By ESPN. Numerous cable outlets. The BBC. Global Television. Fox Aus. Sky TV. J Sports. Sony Six. Sony Sport. BT Sport. Euro Sport. Total global viewership of all Crew/Rowing Events in 2010 exceeded 800 million.
Major Sport.
Stop being so provincial. Reminds me of the Texan who said, "Hey, there's a city in France named Paris, too!"
Quote from: keefe on October 02, 2013, 05:10:32 PM
Actually, Crew/Rowing is broadcast. Globally. By ESPN. Numerous cable outlets. The BBC. Global Television. Fox Aus. Sky TV. J Sports. Sony Six. Sony Sport. BT Sport. Euro Sport. Total global viewership of all Crew/Rowing Events in 2010 exceeded 800 million.
Major Sport.
Stop being so provincial. Reminds me of the Texan who said, "Hey, there's a city in France named Paris, too!"
Suspect we are speaking of the USA. Crew and Rowing are almost invisible here from the perspective of the greater public.
This is one of the dumber arguements I've ever seen on here.
Quote from: keefe on October 02, 2013, 04:48:11 PM
Small fan base? As evidenced by the hundreds of thousands who watch the Harvard-Yale Regatta? That figure is more than the total home season attendance of Marquette basketball. Add in the 50,000 at each Harvard-hosted Regatta on the Charles and Marquette's home attendance is dwarfed by Harvard Crew. I guess, then, that Marquette Basketball is minor compared to Harvard Crew.
Stop being so obtuse. Intentionally so, I presume. Seriously.
Here you go Keefe. The latest Yankee Magazine has an interesting article on the Charles River Regatta. Interesting read about the women's crew team who was posed to take gold and break the Communist rower's block, but never got the chance due to the 1980 Olympic boycott.
http://digital.turn-page.com/i/155274/107
Quote from: keefe on October 02, 2013, 02:34:37 PM
Marquette doesn't have crew but many schools do.
everyone who rowed crew at Marquette would disagree. i rowed at the Head of the Charles--the largest crew regatta in the world. 100,000 people line the bank of the Charles. that doesn't make it a major sport.
http://marquettecrew.com/
Quote from: keefe on October 02, 2013, 05:10:32 PM
Actually, Crew/Rowing is broadcast. Globally. By ESPN. Numerous cable outlets. The BBC. Global Television. Fox Aus. Sky TV. J Sports. Sony Six. Sony Sport. BT Sport. Euro Sport. Total global viewership of all Crew/Rowing Events in 2010 exceeded 800 million.
Major Sport.
Broadcast sparsely and only when there are special events. Seriously, how many times is it broadcast on ESPN and the like? Now contrast that with college basketball, football and even baseball.
Minor sport.
I know it is really hard for your elitist nature to believe that you are into something that isn't all that popular, but you'll get over it I'm sure.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on October 03, 2013, 08:25:37 AM
I know it is really hard for your elitist nature to believe that you are into something that isn't all that popular, but you'll get over it I'm sure.
I always thought that the true elitist was, at least in part, defined as one looking down on what is "popular". An elitist insisting his hobbies, sports, etc., seems contradictory to me.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 03, 2013, 08:51:21 AM
I always thought that the true elitist was, at least in part, defined as one looking down on what is "popular". An elitist insisting his hobbies, sports, etc., seems contradictory to me.
Yeah, as soon as I typed it I thought the same thing. But I'm not going to bother to edit it.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on October 03, 2013, 07:55:58 AM
Here you go Keefe. The latest Yankee Magazine has an interesting article on the Charles River Regatta. Interesting read about the women's crew team who was posed to take gold and break the Communist rower's block, but never got the chance due to the 1980 Olympic boycott.
http://digital.turn-page.com/i/155274/107
Thanks, Nutmeg. I liked the vignette on Arlett. I had heard the format was brought over from the UK but didn't know details. HOCR is quite an event. Amazing how such a minor sport has such an enthusiastic global following.
This is my favorite time of year in your neck of the woods. Middlebury always had Parent's Weekend at the peak of foliage season and it was always stunning. I can smell the wood fires and picture the burst of colors. New England in Autumn is fabulous.
Quote from: keefe on October 03, 2013, 03:05:39 PM
Thanks, Nutmeg. I liked the vignette on Arlett. I had heard the format was brought over from the UK but didn't know details. HOCR is quite an event. Amazing how such a minor sport has such an enthusiastic global following.
This is my favorite time of year in your neck of the woods. Middlebury always had Parent's Weekend at the peak of foliage season and it was always stunning. I can smell the wood fires and picture the burst of colors. New England in Autumn is fabulous.
The timing of that article was too coincidental.
I'm near Long Island Sound, so my leaves (as well as all of coastal Connecticut) change much later than the rest of the New England. Most of my leaves are still green other than some of the hickory trees which are starting to turn. It'll be 3 weeks until peak in my yard. When my wife and built a home addition over a decade ago we included a bay window in our master bedroom overlooking the backyard specifically for this time of year.
Quote from: The Sultan of Syncopation on October 02, 2013, 03:32:15 PM
Believe me, my kids ran cross country in high school. ... And I absolutely loved going to the meets and being part of that.
Holy cow, you're a great dad! I love my son, but I went to one cross country meet and that was enough for me. Watching them run off into the woods and then see them come out 20 minutes later for the finish isn't exactly thrilling. Enjoyed the baseball games very much, though.
Last year my son rowed crew at Lehigh. He's a big kid and was recruited on campus after never having rowed before and eventually ended up on the Novice (Freshman) 4 boat. Talk about an elitist sport. I ran into a bunch of MU alums at the Dad Vail Regatta (the year end regatta for many schools) in Philadelphia. I was surprised t see Marquette now had crew and. as usual, Marquette alums were a fun bunch. Of course, Marquette isn't all that good at crew so they were eliminated the first day while my son's boat won their heat and raced day 2. So I hung around with the Lehigh folks on that day. I wasn't at the Lehigh tent for 5 minutes when I overheard this, "I hope he finishes his race early today. I was supposed to go shopping for a new polo pony." Not my crowd, to say the least.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on October 03, 2013, 03:46:37 PM
The timing of that article was too coincidental.
I'm near Long Island Sound, so my leaves (as well as all of coastal Connecticut) change much later than the rest of the New England. Most of my leaves are still green other than some of the hickory trees which are starting to turn. It'll be 3 weeks until peak in my yard. When my wife and built a home addition over a decade ago we included a bay window in our master bedroom overlooking the backyard specifically for this time of year.
I recall you saying you were near New Haven. My cousins grew up in Greenwich and I made lots of trips to Fairfield and Stamford so I am familiar with the LI Sound atmosphere. GE Cap tried to get me to move there a few times but I wanted to stay in Asia. But I always appreciated my trips to that area, especially in Fall. And I'll admit one of my first destinations was always a small family-owned pizzeria in Stamford as it was impossible to find the real thing in Asia.
Quote from: CTWarrior on October 03, 2013, 03:53:40 PM
Holy cow, you're a great dad! I love my son, but I went to one cross country meet and that was enough for me. Watching them run off into the woods and then see them come out 20 minutes later for the finish isn't exactly thrilling. Enjoyed the baseball games very much, though.
Last year my son rowed crew at Lehigh. He's a big kid and was recruited on campus after never having rowed before and eventually ended up on the Novice (Freshman) 4 boat. Talk about an elitist sport. I ran into a bunch of MU alums at the Dad Vail Regatta (the year end regatta for many schools) in Philadelphia. I was surprised t see Marquette now had crew and. as usual, Marquette alums were a fun bunch. Of course, Marquette isn't all that good at crew so they were eliminated the first day while my son's boat won their heat and raced day 2. So I hung around with the Lehigh folks on that day. I wasn't at the Lehigh tent for 5 minutes when I overheard this, "I hope he finishes his race early today. I was supposed to go shopping for a new polo pony." Not my crowd, to say the least.
Marquette had crew club at least since '79 when I was a freshman and they always went to major regattas and competed against some major d1 teams.
Quote from: CTWarrior on October 03, 2013, 03:53:40 PM
Holy cow, you're a great dad! I love my son, but I went to one cross country meet and that was enough for me. Watching them run off into the woods and then see them come out 20 minutes later for the finish isn't exactly thrilling. Enjoyed the baseball games very much, though.
Last year my son rowed crew at Lehigh. He's a big kid and was recruited on campus after never having rowed before and eventually ended up on the Novice (Freshman) 4 boat. Talk about an elitist sport. I ran into a bunch of MU alums at the Dad Vail Regatta (the year end regatta for many schools) in Philadelphia. I was surprised t see Marquette now had crew and. as usual, Marquette alums were a fun bunch. Of course, Marquette isn't all that good at crew so they were eliminated the first day while my son's boat won their heat and raced day 2. So I hung around with the Lehigh folks on that day. I wasn't at the Lehigh tent for 5 minutes when I overheard this, "I hope he finishes his race early today. I was supposed to go shopping for a new polo pony." Not my crowd, to say the least.
CTW - I think you live close to me. Is it Stratford? I'm a X-Country veteran from high school and I still run. I can admit viewing XC is not as exciting as it is running it. My now middle schooler is following dad's footsteps and she's running XC this fall. A meet against one team is not as exciting as an Invitational when you have 20+ teams in a race and they jockey for position before hitting the trail portion and then there's the final sprint with a large group (OK - kind of like horse racing).
Quote from: keefe on October 03, 2013, 04:18:23 PM
I recall you saying you were near New Haven. My cousins grew up in Greenwich and I made lots of trips to Fairfield and Stamford so I am familiar with the LI Sound atmosphere. GE Cap tried to get me to move there a few times but I wanted to stay in Asia. But I always appreciated my trips to that area, especially in Fall. And I'll admit one of my first destinations was always a small family-owned pizzeria in Stamford as it was impossible to find the real thing in Asia.
I'm like a 12 minute drive from Yale U. & DT New Haven.
Good call staying in Asia. I used to love my business trips to China. I switched jobs back in 2007 simply because it would take me to Asia (not just China) more often, but that ended in 2009 with the economy crash. A must do in a visit to Connecticut is pizza. My brother and other friends (born Nutmeggers) when they visit home, their first request is always "can we go somewhere to get a real pizza please."
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on October 04, 2013, 08:07:23 AM
CTW - I think you live close to me. Is it Stratford?
Yup. Which side of New Haven for you?
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on October 04, 2013, 08:20:31 AM
I'm like a 12 minute drive from Yale U. & DT New Haven.
Good call staying in Asia. I used to love my business trips to China. I switched jobs back in 2007 simply because it would take me to Asia (not just China) more often, but that ended in 2009 with the economy crash. A must do in a visit to Connecticut is pizza. My brother and other friends (born Nutmeggers) when they visit home, their first request is always "can we go somewhere to get a real pizza please."
I agree on the CT pizza experience. There is a little hole in the wall place in Stamford that makes incredible pies. The owner must be worth a ton of gold as he gets huge orders daily from GE Cap.
We had a meeting today with the Governor's Office as he is headed to China in November to lead a trade delegation. We have been selected as one of three new WA-state Technology Enterprises that will be featured. In our case, we are not just based in Seattle but our tech was developed in the U Dub School of Engineering so Gov. Inslee really likes our program. We are taking our Mercury Technology as China is the worst global offender by far. As much as I would like to participate I am restricted from any fight longer than 2 hours for the next couple months because of the stage in treatment for the shrapnel in my lung.
I thought I had sworn off China but it looks like she's back on my radar scope. I am anxious to have some real H a i n a n Chicken Rice though I am thinking my days of slugging down Maotai all night should be over. Given what I now know about the water in China I should think everyone should give up drinking in China.
Where did you travel to in China?
Orange. My mother-in-law lives in Stratford.
Therefore, you probably would want to live in Taos, New Mexico, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 05, 2013, 12:55:13 PM
Therefore, you probably would want to live in Taos, New Mexico, hey?
My family has had digs near Santa Fe for decades. I learned to ski at Taos. Northern NM is one of God's masterpieces. The Sangre de Cristos at sunset is awe-inspiring.
(http://www.theartistsgalleryonline.com/RandHerman/images/Sangre-de-Cristo-Sunset.jpg)
Quote from: keefe on October 04, 2013, 06:37:02 PM
I agree on the CT pizza experience. There is a little hole in the wall place in Stamford that makes incredible pies. The owner must be worth a ton of gold as he gets huge orders daily from GE Cap.
We had a meeting today with the Governor's Office as he is headed to China in November to lead a trade delegation. We have been selected as one of three new WA-state Technology Enterprises that will be featured. In our case, we are not just based in Seattle but our tech was developed in the U Dub School of Engineering so Gov. Inslee really likes our program. We are taking our Mercury Technology as China is the worst global offender by far. As much as I would like to participate I am restricted from any fight longer than 2 hours for the next couple months because of the stage in treatment for the shrapnel in my lung.
I thought I had sworn off China but it looks like she's back on my radar scope. I am anxious to have some real H a i n a n Chicken Rice though I am thinking my days of slugging down Maotai all night should be over. Given what I now know about the water in China I should think everyone should give up drinking in China.
Where did you travel to in China?
My former company's manufacturing facility was in Guangdong Province like everyone else's. It was in Hengli, a small city by Chinese standards of only 125,000. It was about an hour train ride outside of Hong Kong halfway between HK & Guangzhou. Took the KCR train from HK on the way there and on the return trip home. (I recall flying into Guangzhou once.) I always made sure to find time on the bookends of the trip to spend in Hong Kong. It was needed especially on the way home to decompress after 8-10 days in the mainland to grab a burger and pints in a British Pub and watch Premier League soccer.
Everyone referred to the hotel as the "Hengli Hilton" despite it being a 4* hotel and a very good place to stay. Interestingly, it was only $40 a night to stay there and I always made sure I came home with my laundry clean & pressed in those vacuum bags.
China definitely needs your new technology. It had the worst air pollution I ever saw. Nonstop overcast smog. My first day on the first trip I thought I was going to die of choking. I went for my morning run and came back and coughed horribly for 10 minutes. I scarily seemed to acclimate by day three. One of my trips I actually had 2 days of clear blue sunshine which is extremely rare.
The next company I worked for I had a multi-stop visit to Shandong Province. I visited Qingdao (city founded by Germans and is home of the Tsingtao brewery), where our JV partner was located. Then I got stuck for 3 nights at a customer's tire plant in Zaozhaung about 6-7 hour van ride from Qingdao. Then I visited another tire plant in the Baltimore of Beijing, in the city of Tianjin. I would have preferred to be stuck here for 3 nights.