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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: strotty on September 19, 2013, 02:03:20 AM
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Things are moving quickly. Here's the latest:
http://bit.ly/1drj5kk
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I bet he is off to Mizzou. Watch.
Whenever a kid starts off talking about the friend or teammate he would be playing with and liking the style of play he is gone...
If everything else is equal with playing time he will choose the friend and the homie and the style of play.
He had better factor in the coaching and the proven track record of MU recruits advancing to the next level as well and them becoming better people and players and a great education if that is what they want.
He will choose Missouri if you ask me. Just a hunch.
MU gets Sam Cassell Jr....but do they actually need another 6'4 wing SG? Damn....lol
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Yeah, actually both Hill and Cassel play the same position and I would argue an SG type is a clear position of need. Come 2014, Mayo will be a senior. And Johnson is really the only other option in that type of role. Burton and Anderson aren't really that type of player. Not sure about Cohen.
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I bet he is off to Mizzou. Watch.
Whenever a kid starts off talking about the friend or teammate he would be playing with and liking the style of play he is gone...
If everything else is equal with playing time he will choose the friend and the homie and the style of play.
He had better factor in the coaching and the proven track record of MU recruits advancing to the next level as well and them becoming better people and players and a great education if that is what they want.
He will choose Missouri if you ask me. Just a hunch.
MU gets Sam Cassell Jr....but do they actually need another 6'4 wing SG? Damn....lol
Too many variables to make that kind of assumption. Who knows, his parents may like Buzz better, he may ultimately want to get away from his friend to establish himself, he may like tigers better than golden eagles. Maybe his development as a person and education are important to him, maybe not. If we are in his final 2, that is a good place to be at this point.
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Let's get this kid committed! I like his game and he would be a perfect compliment to JJJ and Burton. Round off the class with Craig or Blammers and we are looking pretty good.
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Actually reading the statements Hill made that were cited in the Paint Touches article....I see it leaning more Marquette's way:
Me and coach Buzz, we just have a really strong relationship. We talk about life situations, and I think he’s a great guy.”
Mizzou: Me and coach Haith have a pretty good relationship. And It’s mainly a basketball school.”
So, sounds like a place being a basketball school is important and that his relationship with Buzz is slightly better than Haith....plus Buzz has a much better track record of getting guys to the league...and after meeting with Buzz....Indiana was taken off the list (unless Indiana gets a commit from a different player in the next few days that would be a similar player to Hill.)
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I wouldn't parse the language of "really strong" v. "pretty good" when it comes to an 18 year old, but I do think that it is interesting that he went from being a near Mizzou lock to Marquette having a better shot all within the last 48 hours or so.
Not to mention your points that Haith's NBA success and tournament success pales in comparison to Buzz's.
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I wouldn't parse the language of "really strong" v. "pretty good" when it comes to an 18 year old, but I do think that it is interesting that he went from being a near Mizzou lock to Marquette having a better shot all within the last 48 hours or so.
Not to mention your points that Haith's NBA success and tournament success pales in comparison to Buzz's.
Agree with Sultan (um, Terror). Seems like 'big mo' might just be on our side here. But either way, I wish him well in his decision and I think I now agree with the notion that Cassell goes to the school that Hill passes on. Either would be a wonderful addition to our program.
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Strotty, I'm not sure what you mean by this:
"Marquette has also purged the wing position, securing oral commitments from Sandy Cohen and Malek Harris."
How is recruiting Cohen and Harris removing undesirables from the wing position?
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Cassel is also looking at UConn and Florida State. We very well not get either of them.
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Interesting that Hill thinks of Mizzou as a basketball school.
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"And it's mainly a basketball school."
I like hearing that. Good to hear that bball recruits are realizing, 'hey at Mizzou, I'm 2nd fiddle. at Marquette (aka the real MU) I'm a celebrity because not only is it "mainly" a basketball school, but it's only a basketball school'
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Put me down for bein' in the Hill camp.
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Seems like most of the "experts" are predicting Missouri. But with Buzz, I like MU's chances. We'll see.
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Seems like most of the "experts" are predicting Missouri. But with Buzz, I like MU's chances. We'll see.
The majority of those "experts" predicted Missouri the morning after their in home with him - which was the same day buzz had his in home with hill and before all the positive tweets from Hill about buzz, Marquette, Indiana.
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Not that it means he is going to marquette or Missouri but take it for what it's worth. I think the crystal ball on that site is fairly accurate but has been known to be wrong at times.
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This might be a dumb question but if we sign Hill do we have 1 or 2 scholarships left?
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This might be a dumb question but if we sign Hill do we have 1 or 2 scholarships left?
I hope none by time he signs. We would have one left, if Hill committed now.
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What other recruits have we lost to Mizzou when they've whittled down their lists to just a handful?
It seems like, well, a handful of recruits have gone the UM way instead of the MU way.
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Really nice kid; he's a real good fit for Buzz. But... flip a coin. Eager to see how everything shapes up in the coming days/weeks/months.
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Reason for him not picking Indiana was not Isiah Whitehead. Whitehead is going to Seton Hall, which is great for that program.
BTW, Whitehead was ranked as #1 SG by some. Seems his high school coach will be joining the Seton Hall staff. Never ends.......
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Reason for him not picking Indiana was not Isiah Whitehead. Whitehead is going to Seton Hall, which is great for that program.
BTW, Whitehead was ranked as #1 SG by some. Seems his high school coach will be joining the Seton Hall staff. Never ends.......
But Robert Johnson announced he would announce this week just before Whitehead, yes? Guess we'll see what Johnson says manana re: I4.
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Seems like Ahmed is a bit religious, so there's that.
http://www.youtube.com/v/pBWcRqPesws
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Reason for him not picking Indiana was not Isiah Whitehead. Whitehead is going to Seton Hall, which is great for that program.
BTW, Whitehead was ranked as #1 SG by some. Seems his high school coach will be joining the Seton Hall staff. Never ends.......
Correct, Tiny Norton, his HS coach is going to SHU. It was SHU or SJU at the end....package deal.
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But Robert Johnson announced he would announce this week just before Whitehead, yes? Guess we'll see what Johnson says manana re: I4.
Yup, but Johnson is a Boo William's kid and most of the time they stay in the mid atlantic/south. Florida State or UNC, we shall see. The next two weeks will be crazy with committs.
As far as Whithead's coach, Tiny Norton, Lincoln Tech is a national powerhouse and could lead to a pipeline to Seton Hall from NYC kids. Which would be great for BE and the floundering Hall program.
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Yup, but Johnson is a Boo William's kid and most of the time they stay in the mid atlantic/south. Florida State or UNC, we shall see. The next two weeks will be crazy with committs.
Uh OK. Jamal Ferguson didn't (at first!)
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So... Totally unsubstantiated, but hearing some rumors of Todd mayo paying his way, through oj, that would allow buzz to oversign/get an extra commit.
Also, has anyone heard anything about Ivan uceda from spain?
Uceda info: "Ivan Cruz Uceda (PF) - A new name to the Canes recruiting ledger, Uceda is a junior college forward out of Spain by way of Harcum College in Pennsylvania. At 6'10", 230, Uceda is a European-style stretch 4 with rebounding prowess, averaging 16 points and 10.7 rebounds per game (a school record for rebounding average in a season). As a foreign prospect, Uceda is somewhat under the radar as compared to prospects who have played in front of American college coaches for years, but many top programs have taken note of his talents in the past year. In addition to Miami, Uceda lists offers from Marquette, Cincinnati, Iowa State, Ohio State, Penn State, and others. He confirmed to us at SOTU that he has is visiting UM September 7. Uceda would have two years of eligibility remaining at the Division I level. Look for our interview with Uceda later this month."
http://www.stateoftheu.com/2013/8/21/4643402/sotu-exclusive-let-the-visits-begin-see-who-is-visiting-canes-hoops
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So... Totally unsubstantiated, but hearing some rumors of Todd mayo paying his way, through oj, that would allow buzz to oversign/get an extra commit.
Also, has anyone heard anything about Ivan uceda from spain?
That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. For all of the suspensions, being sent home (even though all for his own good), Todd's going to allow Buzz to get another body on his brother's dime?
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That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. For all of the suspensions, being sent home (even though all for his own good), Todd's going to allow Buzz to get another body on his brother's dime?
Well, I can't make sense of it for you. Again, they were rumors that I have heard. I was merely passing the potential information on to others. Maybe if anyone else could substantiate the claim, then there would be some validity to it.
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Assuming the rumor that Mayo may pay his way next year is true, I could see it happening this way. Mayo expects to start this year and still probably thinks he is an NBA player. Given that he may have told Buzz that he plans to turn pro, if he has a good year. Vander averaged 14.8 points last year and Mayo averaged 9(?)pts as a freshmen, so it would not be unrealistic for him to score more than 14.8 that Vander did. Whether it is smart or not I could see him putting his name in the draft. Having told Buzz he might declare could of led to Buzz telling him he will use his scholarship on this year's recruiting class and that he will have to pay his own way, if he comes back and a scholarship is not available. Even though we need bigs Buzz is making a big effort to get a 2g, which to me is a further indication Buzz is not wanting to depend on Mayo being here next year. This of course is all speculation on my part.
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Assuming the rumor that Mayo may pay his way next year is true, I could see it happening this way. Mayo expects to start this year and still probably thinks he is an NBA player. Given that he may have told Buzz that he plans to turn pro, if he has a good year. Vander averaged 14.8 points last year and Mayo averaged 9(?)pts as a freshmen, so it would not be unrealistic for him to score more than 14.8 that Vander did. Whether it is smart or not I could see him putting his name in the draft. Having told Buzz he might declare could of led to Buzz telling him he will use his scholarship on this year's recruiting class and that he will have to pay his own way, if he comes back and a scholarship is not available. Even though we need bigs Buzz is making a big effort to get a 2g, which to me is a further indication Buzz is not wanting to depend on Mayo being here next year. This of course is all speculation on my part.
With all the talent on this team, I for sure do not see Mayo averaging 15 or so, if he does, watch out, MU will be really good if he does.
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Where do these here rumors originate? Mayo will no more be payin' his own way as will I be hittin' the finer parts of Kate Upton.
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With all the talent on this team, I for sure do not see Mayo averaging 15 or so, if he does, watch out, MU will be really good if he does.
He may score a lot because the team is not good. He will score more if JJJ is not ready to play. He will score more if Wilson pgs cannot score. He will score a lot less if JJJ is a big time stud and Duane is able to score.
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He may score a lot because the team is not good.
What team is not good? Marquette? I think this team has the potential to become the best in the Buzz era. If they can get the PG question answered, I think they could be very, very good.
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What team is not good? Marquette? I think this team has the potential to become the best in the Buzz era. If they can get the PG question answered, I think they could be very, very good.
I think he meant it more as a hypothetical.
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Where do these here rumors originate? Mayo will no more be payin' his own way as will I be hittin' the finer parts of Kate Upton.
Paying Todd's way is a drop in the bucket for O.J. Forgive me, but I would venture to say that hitting Kate Upton's parts wouldn't be anything close to a drop in the bucket for you. Heck, you might not even be a drop of anything to Kate Upton.
Melissa McCarthy would have been a better choice of celebrity for the point you were trying to make. Even if it didn't have an angel's chance in hell of happening, at least it's something the rest of us could hope for.
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What team is not good? Marquette? I think this team has the potential to become the best in the Buzz era. If they can get the PG question answered, I think they could be very, very good.
Don't think he was saying that. Just that if Mayo is our leading scorer it may mean other players aren't performing and the offense needs him to shoot more. Not sure I agree. I think him being in double digits would be a great sign.
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Sure, tuition is chump change to the Mayo klan. I get that. But, my point is no D-1 athlete is payin' full boat to help the ol' alma mater out.
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Sure, tuition is chump change to the Mayo klan. I get that. But, my point is no D-1 athlete is payin' full boat to help the ol' alma mater out.
+1
My point exactly.
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Sure, tuition is chump change to the Mayo klan. I get that. But, my point is no D-1 athlete is payin' full boat to help the ol' alma mater out.
Especially not an All-American who is probably the most well known name in Big East basketball this year!
LIES!
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That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. For all of the suspensions, being sent home (even though all for his own good), Todd's going to allow Buzz to get another body on his brother's dime?
Age wise, sitting out another year to transfer would be tough for Todd.
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Where do these here rumors originate? Mayo will no more be payin' his own way as will I be hittin' the finer parts of Kate Upton.
Keep dreaming of them molars, dude.
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http://www.thevictoryformation.com/2013/07/03/creightons-all-american-gives-up-scholarship-for-teammate/
Sure, tuition is chump change to the Mayo klan. I get that. But, my point is no D-1 athlete is payin' full boat to help the ol' alma mater out.
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http://www.thevictoryformation.com/2013/07/03/creightons-all-american-gives-up-scholarship-for-teammate/
Umm, isn't the person now paying that All American's way also the coach of said team?
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Umm, isn't the person now paying that All American's way also the coach of said team?
Yes, and tuition is about 2-3% of that man's annual salary.
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Getting back to Mr. Hill, bad news. At 24/7 Sports, there are now nine experts predicting Hill to Mizzou. One new vote yesterday, two today, all since Buzz's visit.
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Getting back to Mr. Hill, bad news. At 24/7 Sports, there are now nine experts predicting Hill to Mizzou. One new vote yesterday, two today, all since Buzz's visit.
They probably don't know stink, hey Murray?
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They probably don't know stink, hey Murray?
I'm guessing that Buzz has a pretty good idea by now which way it's going to go. He's either got a secret smile or he's moving on.
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And moving on is not terrible either. It is hopefully either 4 star Marial Shayock or former 3 star Sam Cassell. Jr.
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Getting back to Mr. Hill, bad news. At 24/7 Sports, there are now nine experts predicting Hill to Mizzou. One new vote yesterday, two today, all since Buzz's visit.
Almost as silly as belcher report.
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Bossi's already called Marquette "the team to beat" at this point. Who knows? Prior to Whiteside committing to Seton Hall, most experts had him becoming a Johnnie.
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The only two recruiting analysts I respect that I've seen make predictions on the crystal ball are Jerry Meyer and Jeff Borzello. Meyer is 51 out of 71 for 72% and Borzello is 20 out of 23 for 87%. Borzello obviously only makes predictions if he's really confident, so when he makes one I pay attention. It's Meyer's site so I think he wants to make a predicition on every recruit even when he's not sure.
At the very least there is accountability. You can click on anybody's name and see how (in)accurate they have been.
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Ahmed Hill @MedHill_14
People have no idea how hard this decision is. It's so stressful and mind blowing.
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Ahmed Hill @MedHill_14
People have no idea how hard this decision is. It's so stressful and mind blowing.
This should not be a difficult decision if he reads this board. Simply commit to the Warriors. It is a no brainer. Big time conference, big time team, and a chance to go deep in the dance.
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This should not be a difficult decision if he reads this board. Simply commit to the Warriors. It is a no brainer. Big time conference, big time team, and a chance to go deep in the dance.
You're being po-po-positive?
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At the very least there is accountability. You can click on anybody's name and see how (in)accurate they have been.
Eh.. accurate on their LAST pick. Sometimes these dudes are changing their pick on a single person.
Bragging about a high percentage on the crystal ball gimmick is like when people brag they only got 1, 2 or 3 out of the field of 68 wrong.
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Eh.. accurate on their LAST pick. Sometimes these dudes are changing their pick on a single person.
Bragging about a high percentage on the crystal ball gimmick is like when people brag they only got 1, 2 or 3 out of the field of 68 wrong.
What are your thoughts on who we get Jay Bee?
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Eh.. accurate on their LAST pick. Sometimes these dudes are changing their pick on a single person.
Bragging about a high percentage on the crystal ball gimmick is like when people brag they only got 1, 2 or 3 out of the field of 68 wrong.
Why can't they change their mind? If it's before the player actually commits, who cares. I think it gives good insight into how a player's recruitment can change over time.
As for the second part, I agree.
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Ahmed Hill @MedHill_14
People have no idea how hard this decision is. It's so stressful and mind blowing.
I'm sure it is. Best of luck to him either way.
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Marquette
*in Milwaukee, a metro area on a great lake with over 1.7 million people, an NBA franchise and arena (and another one 80 miles away, FWIW)
*three straight Sweet 16s
*NCAA history (1 championship, 3 FFs), 44-33 all-time
*bball players are gods on campus
*current alum an NBA hall-of-famer
*7 former players of current coach on an NBA roster
*good academics (#75 in USWNR)
*consistently averages over 15k in an NBA arena
Missouri
*in Columbia, a metro area in the middle of Missouri with 180K people and no major basketball teams in the area
*last Sweet 16 in 2009
*No NCAA championships or FFs, 19-25 all-time
*football-first school (SEC)
*good academics (#97 in USWNR)
*3 former players of current coach on an NBA roster
*averages over 12k per year in attendance
In sum, Marquette is better by any measure. Clearly I'm biased, but I think any objective observer would agree that the choice is clear.
Plus, doesn't Haith have sanctions pending against him from the Miami/Shapiro incident?
EDIT: And (feel free to call a reaching foul here), who has the better "MU" logo? Who owns the domain name? That's right, that's right.
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FWIW...77% of 247's staff had Robert Johnson going to UNC. He just chose IU.
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But Robert Johnson announced he would announce this week just before Whitehead, yes? Guess we'll see what Johnson says manana re: I4.
Yup, but Johnson is a Boo William's kid and most of the time they stay in the mid atlantic/south. Florida State or UNC, we shall see. The next two weeks will be crazy with committs.
As far as Whithead's coach, Tiny Norton, Lincoln Tech is a national powerhouse and could lead to a pipeline to Seton Hall from NYC kids. Which would be great for BE and the floundering Hall program.
No surprise, but Robert Johnson to I4. Yes, he is a Boo Williams guy... just like Jamal Ferguson (MU).. and just like I4 current freshman Troy Williams, who is also Boo's nephew.
Generalizations rarely ever work when trying to project recruiting.
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No surprise, but Robert Johnson to I4. Yes, he is a Boo Williams guy... just like Jamal Ferguson (MU).. and just like I4 current freshman Troy Williams, who is also Boo's nephew.
Generalizations rarely ever work when trying to project recruiting.
Oh well, get the nails and the crucifix for me. Like I said "most of the time", not all of the time. Never fails around here.
Otherwise, Johnson is really good and a great pickup for IU. Hill was probably behind Whitehead and Johnson on IU's wishlist and someone on IU staff told him Johnson was to commit, therefore his tweet message.
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I'm sure it is. Best of luck to him either way.
Agreed, best of luck no matter what!
It is hard enough to choose a school. Has to be hard to choose and school and a basketball team. Has to be really hard when there is the potential for millions of dollars of earnings in a few years at stake! But, that is one reason why he might favor Buzz and give Marquette the commitment. Buzz and Marquette have proven that developing non top 25 type of guys into NBA players has been accomplished time and time again; and Buzz is one to be trusted - he will make you work hard and tow the line, and he will get everything out of you, daily!
But, either way, good luck to him, and hope he makes the right decision whatever that decision is.
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Hey, if we are down to us and Mizzou in a one on one recruiting battle, I think that's pretty good odds. I am confident that most recruits would choose us over the Tigers any day of the week.
That being said, recruiting battles are not won on paper. You can't put a number on a coach to player relationship or how they bonded with current players. In the end, a player will pick where he thinks he is supposed to go. Best of luck to him. Hope we see him in blue and gold soon
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What team is not good? Marquette? I think this team has the potential to become the best in the Buzz era. If they can get the PG question answered, I think they could be very, very good.
Totally agree...if they get solid PG play...think very legit chance at Final Four. If Mayo plays well...which I think he will...expecting 12ppg from him...look out..
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With Mayo and Wilson becoming seniors next year then Burton, JJ and Wilson coming in this year and Cohen coming in 2014 where does Hill fit in? Maybe Shayok and Craig makes more sense or just two bigs.
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Where do these here rumors originate? Mayo will no more be payin' his own way as will I be hittin' the finer parts of Kate Upton.
Try to make sure the pages don't stick together this time.
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With Mayo and Wilson becoming seniors next year then Burton, JJ and Wilson coming in this year and Cohen coming in 2014 where does Hill fit in? Maybe Shayok and Craig makes more sense or just two bigs.
When he arrives, most likely depth. Assuming no changes (which is almost never the case) behind Mayo, Anderson, Burton, and JJJ at the switchable 2/3 as a freshman. By his sophomore year, competing for major minutes either as a starter or off the bench. Of course, with transfer numbers as high as they are and the increased likelihood of early entrants that comes with higher rated recruits, he could be thrust into the limelight even sooner.
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With Mayo and Wilson becoming seniors next year then Burton, JJ and Wilson coming in this year and Cohen coming in 2014 where does Hill fit in? Maybe Shayok and Craig makes more sense or just two bigs.
Kind of agree. Not going to complain about getting a top 40 recruit, but part of me wonders if we're just setting ourselves for another Jamal Ferguson/Jamail Jones type of early departure with so much depth at the 2/3.
Would love to get 2 of Craig/Miller/Blammers.
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Kind of agree. Not going to complain about getting a top 40 recruit, but part of me wonders if we're just setting ourselves for another Jamal Ferguson/Jamail Jones type of early departure with so much depth at the 2/3.
Would love to get 2 of Craig/Miller/Blammers.
I'd add Uceda to that list.
And guys are going to transfer. Are we better off looking at less talented players? When guys don't pan out or can't cut it, they can explore other options. Simply the landscape of college sports. I'd much rather see a culture that encourages quality and competition than avoiding top recruits for fear of transfers.
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I'd add Uceda to that list.
And guys are going to transfer. Are we better off looking at less talented players? When guys don't pan out or can't cut it, they can explore other options. Simply the landscape of college sports. I'd much rather see a culture that encourages quality and competition than avoiding top recruits for fear of transfers.
Oh, I'm not saying we should avoid top recruits - especially one like Hill. But I'd like to throw some of those numbers toward to the 4/5 position. If what you're saying is really the new approach to recruiting then some of this "competition" needs to be among the big men as well. If we recruit just one in 2014 and he doesn't pan out and transfers, we'll kind of be in a bind.
Still Hill + Craig or Miller would make this class perfect.
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24/7 has 10 out of 10 predicting Mizzou for Hill - has this boat sailed?
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24/7 has 10 out of 10 predicting Mizzou for Hill - has this boat sailed?
Just last week, Evan Daniels was saying MU has the edge.
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Just last week, Evan Daniels was saying MU has the edge.
Yeah, Hill has been very open about the fact that he is having a difficult time making a decision between Marquette and Missouri. It seems like there is much more going for Marquette, but Hill's friend having committed to Missouri already helps their case.
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Yeah, Hill has been very open about the fact that he is having a difficult time making a decision between Marquette and Missouri. It seems like there is much more going for Marquette, but Hill's friend having committed to Missouri already helps their case.
According to the article he still has 5 official visits to take, so there is three or four more weeks before he makes a decision.
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Just last week, Evan Daniels was saying MU has the edge.
Was this an article or a tweet? I missed that.
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He's referring to this article here: http://www.ajc.com/weblogs/college-recruiting/2013/sep/23/ahmed-hill-basketball-star-opens-about-recruitiing/
But the problem with this, even though it was posted yesterday, is that Ahmed Hill himself has already acknowledged that Indiana is out, even though this article still mentions that he has a visit there on 10/4.
Pretty certain this is down to Mizzou and Marquette, though it still may take a few more weeks.
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He's referring to this article here: http://www.ajc.com/weblogs/college-recruiting/2013/sep/23/ahmed-hill-basketball-star-opens-about-recruitiing/
But the problem with this, even though it was posted yesterday, is that Ahmed Hill himself has already acknowledged that Indiana is out, even though this article still mentions that he has a visit there on 10/4.
Pretty certain this is down to Mizzou and Marquette, though it still may take a few more weeks.
Assuming the article is correct he will be officially Marquette on October 11th. He porbably will not commit before that visit.
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He's referring to this article here: http://www.ajc.com/weblogs/college-recruiting/2013/sep/23/ahmed-hill-basketball-star-opens-about-recruitiing/
But the problem with this, even though it was posted yesterday, is that Ahmed Hill himself has already acknowledged that Indiana is out, even though this article still mentions that he has a visit there on 10/4.
Pretty certain this is down to Mizzou and Marquette, though it still may take a few more weeks.
It does sound like he is down to Mizzou and Marquette, but he is still taking his visit to IU.
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It does sound like he is down to Mizzou and Marquette, but he is still taking his visit to IU.
Hill tweeted last week that he is not visiting IU.
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Hill tweeted last week that he is not visiting IU.
I saw an Alex Bozich tweet saying he talked to Hill and he is still planning on going IU on 10/4 despite previously canceling the trip.
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I saw an Alex Bozich tweet saying he talked to Hill and he is still planning on going IU on 10/4 despite previously canceling the trip.
Smart man! If I was a high D1 recruit I wouldn't openly commit until I took all 5 (or whatever) official visits and got the royal treatment and a free trip. Even if I knew where I was going beforehand.
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Hill tweeted last week that he is not visiting IU.
But in the interview posted here he said he might change his mind. He said TC called him right after the tweet and he is still deciding on whether or not he wants to go. But I believe his exact words were "But 9 times out of 10, I'm at least gonna go and check it out."
So I think he takes the trip to Indiana, might as well. But he certainly doesn't seem very excited about it. The article said that Florida/Florida State will most likely round out his official visits. He hasn't officially crossed anyone off, but I think Marquette/Mizzou are definitely the frontrunners.
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When you cannot decide between MU and Missouri the easy answer is to go somewhere else. Buzz has been on him so long he should know whether he wants to play for Buzz or not.
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Smart man! If I was a high D1 recruit I wouldn't openly commit until I took all 5 (or whatever) official visits and got the royal treatment and a free trip. Even if I knew where I was going beforehand.
Hmmmm... Integrity to new levels.
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Smart man! If I was a high D1 recruit I wouldn't openly commit until I took all 5 (or whatever) official visits and got the royal treatment and a free trip. Even if I knew where I was going beforehand.
Then you must enjoy going to Time Share Presentations. If this kid is having as difficult a time as he says he is making a decision between his two finalists the last thing I think he would want would be to listen to someone else try to sell him on why he should chose neither and do something else. This is not Hawaii in January this is Bloomington in October. I wouldn't do it, not if I had no intention of seriously considering them. You'd feel like a real sh*t the whole time you were there.
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Smart man! If I was a high D1 recruit I wouldn't openly commit until I took all 5 (or whatever) official visits and got the royal treatment and a free trip. Even if I knew where I was going beforehand.
How exotic do you think these trips really are?
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How exotic do you think these trips really are?
I'm 24 years old and I still enjoy traveling the country (especially when it's free) and seeing other college campuses, especially their athletic facilities. When I was 17 years old I had seen Florida, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Indiana, Illinois, Washington DC, and Kentucky. Going to California, Texas, Utah, Colorado, Nevada, etc. for free? Eating good food for free? Playing basketball against division 1 athletes? Meeting some cool people? Watching some cool basketball highlight videos? That would be a fun way to spend 5 weekends as a 17 year old, if you ask me.
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When you cannot decide between MU and Missouri the easy answer is to go somewhere else. Buzz has been on him so long he should know whether he wants to play for Buzz or not.
Both programs have their pros and cons. Haith has had some success down there and he would have the opportunity to play with one of his best friends. Marquette's program is not for everyone, nor is Buzz's demanding routine. I have no doubt Hill sees where he would fit at Marquette and that he could have success here, but being closer to home at another successful program with one of his best friends is a lot of drawing power. That said, if he's still torn on the two, I think it speaks volumes as to how strong a relationship Buzz must have built with him.
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I'm 24 years old and I still enjoy traveling the country (especially when it's free) and seeing other college campuses, especially their athletic facilities. When I was 17 years old I had seen Florida, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Indiana, Illinois, Washington DC, and Kentucky. Going to California, Texas, Utah, Colorado, Nevada, etc. for free? Eating good food for free? Playing basketball against division 1 athletes? Meeting some cool people? Watching some cool basketball highlight videos? That would be a fun way to spend 5 weekends as a 17 year old, if you ask me.
Plus, i'm betting it depends on the program. MU? Maybe not so exotic. But Oklahoma St football (and i'm sure other bigtime fball programs) recruits a decade ago?? Total royalty.
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Hmmmm... Integrity to new levels.
yeah...sick of these dang kids taking advantage of these institutions and the ncaa.
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How exotic do you think these trips really are?
sound like the trips to Oklahoma State used to be pretty impressive.
that said i pay to visit a new university once or twice a year...love seeing different campuses, catching a guest lecture, checking out the architecture, history, libraries, etc...
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Question. When a recruit goes on an official visit, do their parents go along? If so, does the recruiting school cover cost?
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I'm 24 years old and I still enjoy traveling the country (especially when it's free) and seeing other college campuses, especially their athletic facilities. When I was 17 years old I had seen Florida, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Indiana, Illinois, Washington DC, and Kentucky. Going to California, Texas, Utah, Colorado, Nevada, etc. for free? Eating good food for free? Playing basketball against division 1 athletes? Meeting some cool people? Watching some cool basketball highlight videos? That would be a fun way to spend 5 weekends as a 17 year old, if you ask me.
Yeah maybe that's my problem. I travel for my job and I'm probably just sick of it, so the thought of flying across the country and spending a night or two just to fly back has no appeal to me. If I'm going to go somewhere for fun, I want to stay awhile.
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sound like the trips to Oklahoma State used to be pretty impressive.
that said i pay to visit a new university once or twice a year...love seeing different campuses, catching a guest lecture, checking out the architecture, history, libraries, etc...
NERD!!!!
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Interesting that Hill thinks of Mizzou as a basketball school.
It is a pretty generic school.
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I'm 24 years old and I still enjoy traveling the country (especially when it's free) and seeing other college campuses, especially their athletic facilities. When I was 17 years old I had seen Florida, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Indiana, Illinois, Washington DC, and Kentucky. Going to California, Texas, Utah, Colorado, Nevada, etc. for free? Eating good food for free? Playing basketball against division 1 athletes? Meeting some cool people? Watching some cool basketball highlight videos? That would be a fun way to spend 5 weekends as a 17 year old, if you ask me.
Precisely. Plus, who knows, even if you're 99.9% committing to one school, why not check the others out? Best case scenario you find an even better fit, worst case scenario you get what you described above. You win no matter what.
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yeah...sick of these dang kids taking advantage of these institutions and the ncaa.
Not referring to the kids, Read the quote!!!!!
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Question. When a recruit goes on an official visit, do their parents go along? If so, does the recruiting school cover cost?
Sometimes. Not everyone has a... traditional family.
Yes, up to two people re: certain costs.... for parents/legal guardians.
If it's a high school coach, for example.. the rules are a tiny bit different. Also, there are a number of nuances... for example.. if you're going on an official and bring your little brother (as long as he is NOT being recruited by the school), he could camp out in your hotel room and that's fine... but the cost of his flight wouldn't be covered.
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On the idea of officials being so magical and wonderful... if you've decided on a school, why take more? Puts kids in an awkward position. Most of these kids have traveled to various cities .. it's not as if they've never been on a plane or seen a million different basketball gyms. And, they don't know what the itinerary is going to be.. will it be fun? Maybe. Some kids like that stuff, some don't...
I think it can be a waste of time for some and that's why they don't take all 5 officials. No big deal. Whatever works for them. Everyone is different.
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Not referring to the kids, Read the quote!!!!!
People taking advantage of free avenues to expore all of their opportunities whilst having a good time: unacceptable!!!!!
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How exotic do you think these trips really are?
what about the female companions IU provides? (http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/images/smilies/dancingnaughty.gif)
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what about the female companions IU provides? (http://www.thetradersden.org/forums/images/smilies/dancingnaughty.gif)
So, you think they are better than OKST ones?
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Big 6'5" guard.
@JBBauer612
#mubb #HILLtoppers MT @JoshGershon: 2014 SG Namon Wright has committed to Missouri, he informs Scout.com.
2:19pm · 28 Sep 13 · TweetDeck
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I'm 24 years old ......
Now it's becoming more clear
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Big 6'5" guard.
@JBBauer612
#mubb #HILLtoppers MT @JoshGershon: 2014 SG Namon Wright has committed to Missouri, he informs Scout.com.
2:19pm · 28 Sep 13 · TweetDeck
I'm assuming this is a good sign, no?
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I'm assuming this is a good sign, no?
Wright is listed as #82 per 247 sports for 2014.....While Hill is liste at #60. Both are similar sized.
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Wright is listed as #82 per 247 sports for 2014.....While Hill is liste at #60. Both are similar sized.
Their composite ranking is even closer, though. Hill is #62 and Wright is #69.
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Big 6'5" guard.
@JBBauer612
#mubb #HILLtoppers MT @JoshGershon: 2014 SG Namon Wright has committed to Missouri, he informs Scout.com.
2:19pm · 28 Sep 13 · TweetDeck
This could be huge news for Marquette on the Hill front. Wright fills the need Mizzou had for Hill. I feel great about our odds of landing Hill now, with a commit possibly as soon as Madness.
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Question. When a recruit goes on an official visit, do their parents go along? If so, does the recruiting school cover cost?
Answer: Parents may accompany but are on their own dime. One of our sons played DI football and had a few visits. Truth be told I think he didn't want us tagging along. The only campus I went to was Wazzou and they took great care of us but all costs were on us. Of course, in the Palouse, the nicest lodgings were the Holiday Inn Express and fine dining is a bit of a stretch.
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I thought an official included expenses for 1 parent/guardian ?
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Answer: Parents may accompany but are on their own dime.
Not true
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Not true
My wife flew with our son to Colorado and I am fairly certain she paid for the ticket but I was overseas when that occured. I do know that when we went to Pullman the school booked the hotel but I paid the bill which was less than $40/night with the Coug discount . In that event we drove from Seattle so there was no airfare. He signed a scholarship and every visit to Pullman, including the parent's weekend, was on us. The only gimme we got was a bouquet of roses for my wife on senior day and that was paid for by the Coug Alumni Assoc.
It may be that we weren't offered reimbursement which is a different matter.
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This could be huge news for Marquette on the Hill front. Wright fills the need Mizzou had for Hill. I feel great about our odds of landing Hill now, with a commit possibly as soon as Madness.
I'm thinking a commitment is possible a lot sooner than that. This may be a "no reason to wait" situation.. but, who knows -- Sandifer just opened things back up (Mizzou wing commit)
PS - rules are ever-changing and bball has unique rules (which were recently changed)... yes - generally speaking, parent/guardian can be covered by school on an official visit
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Meyer and another guy at 24/7 have switched their crystal ball picks to Marquette.
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Couldn't the Sandifer decommit possibly nullify the Wright commit?
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Now it's becoming more clear
Yeah, you get caught up playing the victim to an immature 24 year old's sarcastic comments. Sad, ain't it?
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Couldn't the Sandifer decommit possibly nullify the Wright commit?
The Sandifer decommit is curious, but I still think we're better off with Hill than we were before Wright committed. Sandifer had to know Mizzou was chasing more wings, so why decommit when they add one? Perhaps something personal with Wright? Sounds like Mizzou is currently all-in on Devin Booker, a top-20 local product. Both Zagoria and Josh Gershon (who reported the Wright commit) said as much today. Hill is likely at best their third biggest priority at wing, behind Booker and trying to get Sandifer back in the fold.
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No way is Hill behind Sandifer for Missouri..... behind Booker for sure but according to Missouri fans they have been nudging Sandifer out for awhile.
At this point they most likely want Booker and then Hill......the question really is,,,,,,what does Hill want?
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Answer: Parents may accompany but are on their own dime. One of our sons played DI football and had a few visits. Truth be told I think he didn't want us tagging along. The only campus I went to was Wazzou and they took great care of us but all costs were on us. Of course, in the Palouse, the nicest lodgings were the Holiday Inn Express and fine dining is a bit of a stretch.
Perhaps he said; "Oh no coach, there's no need to pay for my folks" while hoping you wouldn't go.
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Perhaps he said; "Oh no coach, there's no need to pay for my folks" while hoping you wouldn't go.
My wife went to the AFA visit and I know she stayed in Officer's Quarters but that was a unique case because of my status. And I know one reason she went was to visit friends stationed at Peterson and NORTHCOM which are both in Springs. For Wazzou we drove over to Pullman and they kept us busy for a day and a half. There were 3 kids from our town who visited and signed together so we were part of a package deal. As I recall, that coaching staff really did insist we visit the campus - more than any other school did. But we definitely paid for the lodging which wasn't much.
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So... Totally unsubstantiated, but hearing some rumors of Todd mayo paying his way, through oj, that would allow buzz to oversign/get an extra commit.
Also, has anyone heard anything about Ivan uceda from spain?
Uceda info: "Ivan Cruz Uceda (PF) - A new name to the Canes recruiting ledger, Uceda is a junior college forward out of Spain by way of Harcum College in Pennsylvania. At 6'10", 230, Uceda is a European-style stretch 4 with rebounding prowess, averaging 16 points and 10.7 rebounds per game (a school record for rebounding average in a season). As a foreign prospect, Uceda is somewhat under the radar as compared to prospects who have played in front of American college coaches for years, but many top programs have taken note of his talents in the past year. In addition to Miami, Uceda lists offers from Marquette, Cincinnati, Iowa State, Ohio State, Penn State, and others. He confirmed to us at SOTU that he has is visiting UM September 7. Uceda would have two years of eligibility remaining at the Division I level. Look for our interview with Uceda later this month."
http://www.stateoftheu.com/2013/8/21/4643402/sotu-exclusive-let-the-visits-begin-see-who-is-visiting-canes-hoops
Uceda just committed to Miami. Too bad, he sounded like an excellent prospect.
And this is excellent news about the Wright commit. Mizzou was definitely our biggest competition for Hill. This doesn't take them out of the running, but it certainly hurts their chances. He also hasn't eliminated Indiana, Florida, or Florida State yet, but I think we are definitely in the driver's seat now
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This Wright commitment has to be a good thing.
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This Wright commitment has to be a good thing.
It does not hurt, but MU's problem might be that they have JJJ and Burton who were ranked higher than Hill is now. Assuming he sees Wright as to much competition, then he is going somewhere besides MU and Missouri.
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It does not hurt, but MU's problem might be that they have JJJ and Burton who were ranked higher than Hill is now. Assuming he sees Wright as to much competition, then he is going somewhere besides MU and Missouri.
This. There will be competition wherever he decides to go. But it definately helps that there will be more competition at Missouri now!
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I would argue that MU has a clear need for a SG in this class. Think about this...when Hill finally gets here, Mayo is a senior and JJJ is a junior. And outside of that, who exactly fills that role? And who knows what the future will bring personnel wise anyway?
I think Buzz can make a very legitimate pitch to Hill that PT will be available. Not sure Mizzou can make that same statement.
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Not sure on your math. Won't JJJ be a soph?
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Yeah. I knew that too. Why did I say junior??? Thanks.
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Yeah. I knew that too. Why did I say junior??? Thanks.
Liberal math.
Ahmed is also a good sized kid. Solid. Does a little bit of everything. Charismatic, great smile, girls (and ZFB) will fawn.
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Crystal Ball is now 8 predicting Missouri, 7 Marquette.
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Crystal Ball is now 8 predicting Missouri, 7 Marquette.
The most recent 7 predictions have all been for Marquette, though.
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Crystal Ball is now 8 predicting Missouri, 7 Marquette.
And Missouri removed from list of possibilities on 24/7.
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And Missouri removed from list of possibilities on 24/7.
Missouri is still there, they are just no longer in the top five.
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Missouri is still there, they are just no longer in the top five.
They just dropped Mizzou from "warm" to "cool" and they are listed with the rest of the cools in alpha order....in which they are now last.
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They just dropped Mizzou from "warm" to "cool" and they are listed with the rest of the cools in alpha order....in which they are now last.
Welcome back, Sultan!
"Cause it feels so empty Without Me."
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Can't have too many SG's - especially when playing Syracuse.
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Liberal math.
Ahmed is also a good sized kid. Solid. Does a little bit of everything. Charismatic, great smile, girls (and ZFB) will fawn.
Looks like $Cam Newton.
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Hill has again cancelled his Indiana trip, per Jerry Meyer. Here's hoping for a commit at Madness!
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If what you saw was Malek Harris's retweet that was the original Jerry Meyer(sept. 18) tweet not a new one.
As far as I can tell he has not cancelled the trip.
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Looks like Mark Miller has joined the party in picking Ahmed Hill to MU on 247Sports Crystal Ball
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Looks like Mark Miller has joined the party in picking Ahmed Hill to MU on 247Sports Crystal Ball
Crystal Ball is currently 15/19 for Marquette
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Cassell is down to Louisville and UConn....so I hope we land Hill. I am optimistic.
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Cassell is down to Louisville and UConn....so I hope we land Hill. I am optimistic.
The stars (and Crystal Ball Experts) all seem to be lining up for both Hill and Marial Shayock. Mark Miller predicted both to MU in the last 24 hours. I'm very optimistic on at least one and like our chances on both. However, I suspect we'll need to wait until Madness.
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The stars (and Crystal Ball Experts) all seem to be lining up for both Hill and Marial Shayock. Mark Miller predicted both to MU in the last 24 hours. I'm very optimistic on at least one and like our chances on both. However, I suspect we'll need to wait until Madness.
The latest crystal ball vote for Marquette comes from someone who works for Indiana Insider.
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So now the IU Scout site is saying that Hill will not be there for Hoosier Hysteria and will "reschedule".......
Looks good for MU if Hill has a good visit at Madness.
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Hill will be at IU October 4th! :o
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Hill will be at IU October 4th! :o
Not anymore. Hill cancelled on TC for the second time. Can only be good news!
https://twitter.com/Justin_Albers/status/385879292195794944
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interesting
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So, the one thing I take from this thread is that these "expert" compilations remind me of the 10 day weather forecast. Just wait a couple days and it will be the exact opposite forecast.
Although, I suppose trying to track an 18 year old's mind is almost as difficult.
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So, the one thing I take from this thread is that these "expert" compilations remind me of the 10 day weather forecast. Just wait a couple days and it will be the exact opposite forecast.
Although, I suppose trying to track an 18 year old's mind is almost as difficult.
http://youtu.be/segRtZuKtvg