Just read on JS online Bucks are getting a new floor which is 'inspired" by the old Robert Indiana Mecca floor, could be interesting. The hell with having a team someone wants to watch lets get a new floor. I thank the Senator for keep the Bucks in town but they need new ownership.
Quote from: sailwi on September 17, 2013, 08:17:45 PM
Just read on JS online Bucks are getting a new floor which is 'inspired" by the old Robert Indiana Mecca floor, could be interesting. The hell with having a team someone wants to watch lets get a new floor. I thank the Senator for keep the Bucks in town but they need new ownership.
i don't think there is anything that would make kohl more happy then to sell the bucks to someone who will keep them in milwaukee...he's been trying for years....and having the bucks in milwaukee has been a good thing for mu.
Quote from: avid1010 on September 17, 2013, 08:56:57 PM
i don't think there is anything that would make kohl more happy then to sell the bucks to someone who will keep them in milwaukee...he's been trying for years....and having the bucks in milwaukee has been a good thing for mu.
IMO, this isn't immediately obvious. Why do you think so?
Quote from: ElDonBDon on September 17, 2013, 09:33:02 PM
IMO, this isn't immediately obvious. Why do you think so?
players workout together among other things.
Quote from: ElDonBDon on September 17, 2013, 09:33:02 PM
IMO, this isn't immediately obvious. Why do you think so?
Brings in alumni in the NBA back on campus, where they interact with the team.
Quote from: ElDonBDon on September 17, 2013, 09:33:02 PM
IMO, this isn't immediately obvious. Why do you think so?
- Lets us play in a NBA arena with all the presentation power that enables and allows beer to be sold at games.
- Players can scrimmage against members of the Bucks.
- As mentioned, more opportunity for former MU NBA alumni to visit campus, as Matthews, JFB, and Novak have all done recently.
- Lets MU sell Milwaukee as a "basketball town".
- Opens up opportunities for former MU players (such as Junior) to get a closer look from NBA scouts than he may get if we didn't have a local tie.
- Allows us to sell 15,000+ seats per game on average.
- Gives visiting recruits another local basketball entertainment option aside from the usual MU game -- I know recruits in recent years have attended Bucks games on their own dime while visiting Milwaukee.
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I'm sure there are many other advantages, those are just a few that come to mind.
So. the Bucks announce a new floor design...and that somehow morphs into a slam against Herb Kohl. ::)
Anyway, I like what the Bucks are doing. They'll be awful this season...which is the plan because we all know the 2014 NBA draft will be loaded. They've also dropped all the pouting deadwood and replaced it with guys who actually want to be in Milwaukee.
Quote from: Groin_pull on September 18, 2013, 12:29:53 PM
So. the Bucks announce a new floor design...and that somehow morphs into a slam against Herb Kohl. ::)
Anyway, I like what the Bucks are doing. They'll be awful this season...which is the plan because we all know the 2014 NBA draft will be loaded. They've also dropped all the pouting deadwood and replaced it with guys who actually want to be in Milwaukee.
Do they want to be in Milwaukee or are they just happy to have a paycheck...? :o
Quote from: brewcity77 on September 17, 2013, 11:40:02 PM
- Lets us play in a NBA arena with all the presentation power that enables and allows beer to be sold at games.
- Players can scrimmage against members of the Bucks.
- As mentioned, more opportunity for former MU NBA alumni to visit campus, as Matthews, JFB, and Novak have all done recently.
- Lets MU sell Milwaukee as a "basketball town".
- Opens up opportunities for former MU players (such as Junior) to get a closer look from NBA scouts than he may get if we didn't have a local tie.
- Allows us to sell 15,000+ seats per game on average.
- Gives visiting recruits another local basketball entertainment option aside from the usual MU game -- I know recruits in recent years have attended Bucks games on their own dime while visiting Milwaukee.
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I'm sure there are many other advantages, those are just a few that come to mind.
Good enough for me!
Quote from: brewcity77 on September 17, 2013, 11:40:02 PM
- Lets us play in a NBA arena with all the presentation power that enables and allows beer to be sold at games.
- Players can scrimmage against members of the Bucks.
- As mentioned, more opportunity for former MU NBA alumni to visit campus, as Matthews, JFB, and Novak have all done recently.
- Lets MU sell Milwaukee as a "basketball town".
- Opens up opportunities for former MU players (such as Junior) to get a closer look from NBA scouts than he may get if we didn't have a local tie.
- Allows us to sell 15,000+ seats per game on average.
- Gives visiting recruits another local basketball entertainment option aside from the usual MU game -- I know recruits in recent years have attended Bucks games on their own dime while visiting Milwaukee.
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I'm sure there are many other advantages, those are just a few that come to mind.
We could serve beer at an on campus arena too. The Big East does not prohibit alcohol sales by their members for sporting events. The whole off campus arena thing is a myth. Case in point, the Carrier Dome is on campus and owned by the university yet serves alcohol.
Quote from: Nukem2 on September 18, 2013, 12:34:24 PM
Do they want to be in Milwaukee or are they just happy to have a paycheck...? :o
Watch the Caron Butler presser and tell me what you think.
Quote from: Chili on September 18, 2013, 12:53:18 PM
We could serve beer at an on campus arena too. The Big East does not prohibit alcohol sales by their members for sporting events. The whole off campus arena thing is a myth. Case in point, the Carrier Dome is on campus and owned by the university yet serves alcohol.
Same with Cincinnati, I was at the game last year and they were serving beer. That stadium is a dump btw
Quote from: Groin_pull on September 18, 2013, 01:10:01 PM
Watch the Caron Butler presser and tell me what you think.
Certainly there can be exceptions, especially local guys...
Quote from: Chili on September 18, 2013, 12:53:18 PM
We could serve beer at an on campus arena too. The Big East does not prohibit alcohol sales by their members for sporting events. The whole off campus arena thing is a myth. Case in point, the Carrier Dome is on campus and owned by the university yet serves alcohol.
Here's an article (http://journalstar.com/sports/huskers/mens-basketball/beer-flows-at-college-hoops-games-but-not-yet-at/article_dfe7646d-c80f-50f7-a438-758855812aa6.html) about beer sales at college basketball games. The graphic lists some schools that sell beer (including St. Louis at their on-campus arena).
By their very nature/definition, shouldn't these "OT" threads be started/placed in the superbar? i'm just trying to understand the mindset of putting them here...
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 18, 2013, 02:04:33 PM
By their very nature/definition, shouldn't these "OT" threads be started/placed in the superbar? i'm just trying to understand the mindset of putting them here...
it's all about the postcount
Quote from: Groin_pull on September 18, 2013, 01:10:01 PM
Watch the Caron Butler presser and tell me what you think.
Are you insane? Butler may be the only person in the entire league who wants to play for the Bucks.
Quote from: brewcity77 on September 17, 2013, 11:40:02 PM
- Lets us play in a NBA arena with all the presentation power that enables and allows beer to be sold at games.
- Players can scrimmage against members of the Bucks.
- As mentioned, more opportunity for former MU NBA alumni to visit campus, as Matthews, JFB, and Novak have all done recently.
- Lets MU sell Milwaukee as a "basketball town".
- Opens up opportunities for former MU players (such as Junior) to get a closer look from NBA scouts than he may get if we didn't have a local tie.
- Allows us to sell 15,000+ seats per game on average.
- Gives visiting recruits another local basketball entertainment option aside from the usual MU game -- I know recruits in recent years have attended Bucks games on their own dime while visiting Milwaukee.
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I'm sure there are many other advantages, those are just a few that come to mind.
All good points. I was thinking, sort of in the spirit of devil's advocate, that it could hurt MU, e.g., scheduling conflicts, not having the arena on campus, and perhaps most importantly, competing with NBA-talent for the entertainment portion Milwaukeeans' disposable income (Creighton, Lville, Zags, all have HUGE local followings and are in cities notably smaller than Milwaukee). In other words, if we didn't have the Bucks, people who would otherwise go to Bucks games would instead come to MU games.
On the other hand, as you note, having an NBA squad/arena boosts recruiting, which boosts win count, which boosts MU attendance.
Ultimately it's an empirical question, but these points are good, especially the unhindered sale of alcohol, which I hadn't thought of.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on September 18, 2013, 02:38:03 PM
Are you insane? Butler may be the only person in the entire league who wants to play for the Bucks.
No, I'm not insane. You're wrong. Brandon Knight seems very happy and Larry Sanders spends a lot of time in Milwaukee and just signed an extension. Also, John Henson doesn't seem to be in a hurry to get out of town.
Quote from: brewcity77 on September 17, 2013, 11:40:02 PM
- As mentioned, more opportunity for former MU NBA alumni to visit campus, as Matthews, JFB, and Novak have all done recently.
And their teammates, when MU opens the doors for the road teams to use the McGuire Center as a practice facility.
Quote from: ElDonBDon on September 18, 2013, 03:24:58 PM
All good points. I was thinking, sort of in the spirit of devil's advocate, that it could hurt MU, e.g., scheduling conflicts, not having the arena on campus, and perhaps most importantly, competing with NBA-talent for the entertainment portion Milwaukeeans' disposable income (Creighton, Lville, Zags, all have HUGE local followings and are in cities notably smaller than Milwaukee). In other words, if we didn't have the Bucks, people who would otherwise go to Bucks games would instead come to MU games.
On the other hand, as you note, having an NBA squad/arena boosts recruiting, which boosts win count, which boosts MU attendance.
Ultimately it's an empirical question, but these points are good, especially the unhindered sale of alcohol, which I hadn't thought of.
My only worry about that is if Marquette would have to buy the BC outright. The Bucks are one of the main tenants, and there's really no replacement for them. Sure, it'd open up a lot of Saturday nights, but without the NBA money rolling into that place, would the BC have enough overall business to keep going? I imagine the Admirals, concerts, and WWE only get you so far.
Would we get a few more fans? It's possible, but I'm not sure it'd be enough for us to want the Bucks to leave town. I'm sure some crossover already, but it has surprised me in recent years that I feel college basketball and NBA really have different fan markets. Starved of the NBA, do we maybe pull in a new fanbase? It is possible, but the risk of what would happen to the BC coupled with all the positives we would lose, I'm not sure those extra ticket sales would be worth it.
Definitely an interesting devil's advocate, though. I hadn't thought of the additional fans or the other successful non-NBA markets at all.
Just a quick look at 2013 attendance figures shows that of the top 50 schools in college attendance, only a handful or so shared a market with an NBA team. (I know this isn't a perfect apples to apples comparison.) And only three of those schools (Memphis, Marquette and Georgetown) shared an arena with an NBA team.
Quote from: Terror Skink on September 19, 2013, 06:46:26 AM
Just a quick look at 2013 attendance figures shows that of the top 50 schools in college attendance, only a handful or so shared a market with an NBA team. (I know this isn't a perfect apples to apples comparison.) And only three of those schools (Memphis, Marquette and Georgetown) shared an arena with an NBA team.
Does anyone else share an arena with a NBA team?
Quote from: brewcity77 on September 19, 2013, 08:17:43 AM
Does anyone else share an arena with a NBA team?
I guess you didn't read my entire post.
I'm hurt.
Whether or not the Bucks leave, the BC needs a remodel, and not just the floor. One of the uglier NBA stadiums.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on September 19, 2013, 09:36:51 AM
Whether or not the Bucks leave, the BC needs a remodel, and not just the floor. One of the uglier NBA stadiums.
If the Bucks leave, the BC is fine for what it would be used for....minor league hockey and college basketball.
The BC is really not that bad, you get to watch basketball and they have an excellent beer selection for an arena... check and check
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 18, 2013, 02:04:33 PM
By their very nature/definition, shouldn't these "OT" threads be started/placed in the superbar? i'm just trying to understand the mindset of putting them here...
Yes, they should be in the superbar...though now that it's about the benefits to Marquette about having them in town, I'll leave it here (plus, it's the off season still :( )
Quote from: LAMUfan on September 19, 2013, 10:03:48 AM
The BC is really not that bad, you get to watch basketball and they have an excellent beer selection for an arena... check and check
Adam Silver would seem to disagree with you:
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/19/adam-silver-says-milwaukees-bradley-center-unfit-for-the-nba/
Quote from: AWegrzyn17 on September 19, 2013, 10:55:40 AM
Adam Silver would seem to disagree with you:
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/19/adam-silver-says-milwaukees-bradley-center-unfit-for-the-nba/
It might be a poor NBA arena. But it is just fine for MU.
Quote from: AWegrzyn17 on September 19, 2013, 10:55:40 AM
Adam Silver would seem to disagree with you:
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/19/adam-silver-says-milwaukees-bradley-center-unfit-for-the-nba/
It's only "unfit" because it doesn't generate enough revenue for the Bucks.
compared to the staples center the BC sucks, but I can't say that I would be more or less interested to go to either just because of the building. Really doesn't mean much unless you are in a luxury box. Its not like I'm going to a Laker game to see staples, I might go to a cubs game to see Wrigley on the other hand.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on September 19, 2013, 11:15:01 AM
It's only "unfit" because it doesn't generate enough revenue for the Bucks.
The seating configuration is all wrong - remember this is a hockey arena whose two primary tenants are basketball teams. The Kohl Center has a better configuration that the BC. Also, the concourses are quite narrow. So even for MU it's not great.
Quote from: AWegrzyn17 on September 19, 2013, 10:55:40 AM
Adam Silver would seem to disagree with you:
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/19/adam-silver-says-milwaukees-bradley-center-unfit-for-the-nba/
The guy who who is elected by the owners, and whose paycheck depends on them getting that cheese?
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ow20pAvBEJY/T7qmyRNdU3I/AAAAAAAABGo/DDLt-l_Giss/s1600/tumblr_m45g7nhCQZ1rrdiwlo2_1280.png)
Quote from: reinko on September 19, 2013, 11:40:53 AM
The guy who who is elected by the owners, and whose paycheck depends on them getting that cheese?
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ow20pAvBEJY/T7qmyRNdU3I/AAAAAAAABGo/DDLt-l_Giss/s1600/tumblr_m45g7nhCQZ1rrdiwlo2_1280.png)
Is that Nicholas Cage?
Quote from: Chili on September 19, 2013, 11:35:40 AM
The seating configuration is all wrong - remember this is a hockey arena whose two primary tenants are basketball teams. The Kohl Center has a better configuration that the BC. Also, the concourses are quite narrow. So even for MU it's not great.
Yes, you are technically correct.
However, the Bucks (& the NBA) weren't bitching about that back in 1990.
They are bitching about it now because they need more money.
I'm no style wizard, but my reaction is "yawn.":
http://www.jsonline.com/entertainment/arts/milwaukee-bucks-unveil-new-robert-indiana-inspired-floor-b99105673z1-225116822.html?ipad=y
Hope they didn't spend more than a buck fifty on this beauty.
Quote from: Terror Skink on September 19, 2013, 10:59:03 AM
It might be a poor NBA arena. But it is just fine for MU.
A bad seat is a bad seat--regardless if pro or college.
Upper level at the BC is brutal.
Quote from: We R Final Four on September 24, 2013, 07:59:10 PM
A bad seat is a bad seat--regardless if pro or college.
Upper level at the BC is brutal.
Depends a lot on the section. The baseline uppers are pretty abominable, though.
It took me 2 minutes to figure out where the highlight of the design where the M is. Not bad but I really fail to see the Robert Indiana inspiration, not sure why they needed his permission.
BC is ok in the lower and on the side lower in upper deck, sat in the upper corners for a couple years during the Dukiet years, bad seats and bad teams.
Quote from: Groin_pull on September 18, 2013, 03:45:40 PM
No, I'm not insane. You're wrong. Brandon Knight seems very happy and Larry Sanders spends a lot of time in Milwaukee and just signed an extension. Also, John Henson doesn't seem to be in a hurry to get out of town.
I agree with you that Sanders and Henson really look like guys who could grow in this city. They have done an obnoxious amount of community events over the summer and really want to be the face of the city. Ray Allen, Charlie Bell, Andrew Bogut (before things fell apart), Desmond Mason, and others were guys who truly liked the city. If they can ever change the culture, players will play here.
I disagree we are going to tank next year. A healthy Sanders will win you 30 games based on d alone. We won't be more than a 4 and out playoff team, but you don't spend 8 mil on Butler if you are tanking.
As for the court, it is underwhelming due to the hype. That said, I really like it. You have to consider the Bucks to be extremely limited in what the NBA would allow. It's unique and classy. I give it a thumbs up.
Quote from: LAMUfan on September 19, 2013, 11:31:08 AM
compared to the staples center the BC sucks, but I can't say that I would be more or less interested to go to either just because of the building. Really doesn't mean much unless you are in a luxury box. Its not like I'm going to a Laker game to see staples, I might go to a cubs game to see Wrigley on the other hand.
I hate Staples Center. If you are in great seats, it is fine and I'm fortunate enough to get those tix if I go (usually to hockey, seldom to NBA), but the verticality of the bowl I don't care for. The diehards are way up top like steerage. I know that's why they are called the cheap seats, but it is so L.A. and standoffish in my opinion. I prefer the Honda Center much more. Not as nice, fewer amenities, but people in the cheap seats don't need an oxygen mask.
Quote from: Sir Lawrence on September 24, 2013, 07:42:58 PM
I'm no style wizard, but my reaction is "yawn.":
http://www.jsonline.com/entertainment/arts/milwaukee-bucks-unveil-new-robert-indiana-inspired-floor-b99105673z1-225116822.html?ipad=y
Underwhelming to be sure. A city like Milwaukee with a franchise that barely measures 20 miles outside the city should want a floor that screams something loud. They are totally invisible nationally, for good reason. They need something that pops or is way out there. The Celtics, Lakers, etc...they can be boring, but the Bucks need something. This isn't it.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 24, 2013, 10:01:06 PM
Underwhelming to be sure. A city like Milwaukee with a franchise that barely measures 20 miles outside the city should want a floor that screams something loud. They are totally invisible nationally, for good reason. They need something that pops or is way out there. The Celtics, Lakers, etc...they can be boring, but the Bucks need something. This isn't it.
I'm sure they tried but Adam Silver probably thought otherwise. I know they asked for special permission for even going as "radical" as they did.
Quote from: Sir Lawrence on September 24, 2013, 07:42:58 PM
I'm no style wizard, but my reaction is "yawn.":
http://www.jsonline.com/entertainment/arts/milwaukee-bucks-unveil-new-robert-indiana-inspired-floor-b99105673z1-225116822.html?ipad=y
Reminds me of when they were going to introduce a new logo with the old red and green color scheme...and all they did was substitute red for the purple on the old logo.
Over promise...under deliver. The Kohl-era Bucks in a nutshell.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 24, 2013, 10:01:06 PM
Underwhelming to be sure. A city like Milwaukee with a franchise that barely measures 20 miles outside the city should want a floor that screams something loud. They are totally invisible nationally, for good reason. They need something that pops or is way out there. The Celtics, Lakers, etc...they can be boring, but the Bucks need something. This isn't it.
They are invisible nationally because they're mediocre and have no star players. No "out there" floor is going to overcome that.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on September 24, 2013, 07:44:56 PM
Hope they didn't spend more than a buck fifty on this beauty.
they really needed about tree fiddy to make it look nice.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on September 25, 2013, 03:43:46 PM
They are invisible nationally because they're mediocre and have no star players. No "out there" floor is going to overcome that.
Not suggesting it will overcome that....totally agree with you. However, I am suggesting it can get you noticed. Boise State had a pretty pedestrian football team, but they somewhat became known for having a blue field, which they adopted 25 years ago after making the jump up from a JUCO. The purpose...to be different and get noticed.
It's all marketing and if you are bad, sometimes you need something else to get people to notice. It's why so many advertisers use hot chicks in ads about something that has absolutely nothing to do with hot chicks....people notice.