I've been hoping to catch some comment in a post using "I4" that would help illustrate what it means but I haven't seen one yet and searching wasn't fruitful. I realize this is something I should know, but I don't. I know it refers to Tom Crean (possibly specifically to him being at IU) but other than that, I don't get it.
Could someone explain it without ripping me new anus or two, please?
It's Indiana, It's Indiana (I * 4 times)
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 23, 2013, 06:18:28 PM
It's Indiana, It's Indiana (I * 4 times)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA BRILLIANT
Okay, thank you. That just made my day.
It's Indiana's Indigestion Issue
Thank you very little.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 23, 2013, 06:18:28 PM
It's Indiana, It's Indiana (I * 4 times)
Something that Crean blurted out at his first Indiana press conference that indicated how excited he was to have moved on up so to speak.
You sure he was pleased to have moved up or just pleased to have had a bowel movement?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 23, 2013, 08:51:12 PM
You sure he was pleased to have moved up or just pleased to have had a bowel movement?
A bowel movement can't have a bowel movement
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on August 23, 2013, 09:14:18 PM
A bowel movement can't have a bowel movement
But it can win the Final Four....don't know if you knew that trivia answer. ;)
Quote from: LittleMurs on August 23, 2013, 07:58:24 PM
Something that Crean blurted out at his first Indiana press conference that indicated how excited he was to have moved on up so to speak.
Not often you get fired and end up in the Big Ten. Must have a really good agent.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 23, 2013, 09:15:41 PM
But it can win the Final Four....don't know if you knew that trivia answer. ;)
"Win" the final four? What does that even mean? It's all a crapshoot anyway.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 23, 2013, 09:15:41 PM
But it can win the Final Four....don't know if you knew that trivia answer. ;)
Win the final four? You do realize we got there and didn't win anything right? Or are you living in your own special Crean universe?
I think you wanted to say 14. Dean "The Dream" jersey number at MU.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on August 23, 2013, 10:42:45 PM
Win the final four? You do realize we got there and didn't win anything right? Or are you living in your own special Crean universe?
Win to get to the Final Four, my apologies...I get all excited when responding to bowel movements.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 24, 2013, 12:16:56 AM
I get all excited when responding to bowel movements.
Maybe you should be seeing someone about that.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 24, 2013, 12:16:56 AM
Win to get to the Final Four, my apologies...I get all excited when responding to bowel movements.
You talk to your BMs? I agree with Lennys tap you might wanna see someone about that.
We are going to need a Chico like buzz defender if/when buzz gets hired by a blue blood.
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on August 25, 2013, 11:03:44 AM
We are going to need a Chico like buzz defender if/when buzz gets hired by a blue blood.
It will likely happen at some point, and the head melting here will be epic. It would be really funny if it happen and Larry Williams and Pilarz are long gone....they would still be blamed.
For now, Buzz will be here as long as MU will have him.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 25, 2013, 11:52:46 AM
It will likely happen at some point, and the head melting here will be epic. It would be really funny if it happen and Larry Williams and Pilarz are long gone....they would still be blamed.
For now, Buzz will be here as long as MU will have him.
So will you be that defender if/when people turn on buzz like some turned on crean, insult Bucky, etc?
Quote from: jesmu84 on August 25, 2013, 11:57:18 AM
So will you be that defender if/when people turn on buzz like some turned on crean, insult Bucky, etc?
Happy to...hypocrisy is hypocrisy. The difference is, people will not turn on him....thus ever further hypocrisy.
I was on I4 in Florida earlier this month.......
The guy who's getting a free pass in all this I4 stuff is the reporter that asked the question "Why come here?" in the first place.
Think about it . . . this reporter had hours to prepare a question for the new head basketball coach at Indiana. . . and THAT was the best he could come up with?
I hope today's J-school students and reporters are taking note--when Coach K, Roy Wiliams, Bill Self or John Calipari move on, don't ask such a stupid question.
Why come here to this cesspool in Bloomington when you had a good thing goin'? Legitimate question answered by a self absorbed baffoon. So glad he took the bait and bolted.
Quote from: The Equalizer on August 26, 2013, 08:46:34 AM
The guy who's getting a free pass in all this I4 stuff is the reporter that asked the question "Why come here?" in the first place.
Think about it . . . this reporter had hours to prepare a question for the new head basketball coach at Indiana. . . and THAT was the best he could come up with?
I hope today's J-school students and reporters are taking note--when Coach K, Roy Wiliams, Bill Self or John Calipari move on, don't ask such a stupid question.
Not surprising. Ask a tough question and get immediately on the new coach's sh!t list. Ask a stupid softball question that will elicit an oft-repeated soundbite and get on the new coach's good graces, maybe permanently.
Quote from: The Equalizer on August 26, 2013, 08:46:34 AM
The guy who's getting a free pass in all this I4 stuff is the reporter that asked the question "Why come here?" in the first place.
Think about it . . . this reporter had hours to prepare a question for the new head basketball coach at Indiana. . . and THAT was the best he could come up with?
I hope today's J-school students and reporters are taking note--when Coach K, Roy Wiliams, Bill Self or John Calipari move on, don't ask such a stupid question.
Most media questions are dumb...and all these reporters (and the school) still have misreported Tom Crean's massive buyout.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 25, 2013, 11:52:46 AM
It will likely happen at some point, and the head melting here will be epic. It would be really funny if it happen and Larry Williams and Pilarz are long gone....they would still be blamed.
For now, Buzz will be here as long as MU will have him.
+100
I don't want Buzz to ever leave. But if he does watching the fallout on this board will be entertaining. The men who coached our teams deserve nothing but our respect and gratitude, even if they eventually move on.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on August 26, 2013, 10:21:25 AM
+100
I don't want Buzz to ever leave. But if he does watching the fallout on this board will be entertaining. The men who coached our teams deserve nothing but our respect and gratitude, even if they eventually move on.
Respect is earned, not given. I4 did plenty to lose any respect fans had with his own behavior prior and including his departure.
Buzz's post-MU legacy will be determined by a lot of things, including the manner of his departure and the way he conducts himself prior to the departure.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 25, 2013, 12:04:54 PM
Happy to...hypocrisy is hypocrisy. The difference is, people will not turn on him....thus ever further hypocrisy.
You don't get it. You'll never get it. The myth you perpetrate - that people here (ungrateful S.O.B.s) "turned on" Crean because he left Marquette - is mostly fantasy. Reality? Buzz is a good guy who treats people the right way regardless of their station in life. Crean is a prick with ears who uses every person and situation for his own self aggrandizement. In addition, Buzz has proven to be a better coach and representative of the university. Furthermore, if/when he leaves he'll surely do it with more class than TC did. So, no hypocrisy, no injustice. Buzz will be remembered fondly by all but a very few here because he's earned it. Feelings about TC will remain decidedly more mixed (that's being kind) and he's earned that too.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on August 26, 2013, 10:57:21 AM
Respect is earned, not given. I4 did plenty to lose any respect fans had with his own behavior prior and including his departure.
Buzz's post-MU legacy will be determined by a lot of things, including the manner of his departure and the way he conducts himself prior to the departure.
This is exactly it. If Buzz leaves and then goes on a local sports station to later say that when he arrived at Marquette, the team didn't even have enough money for shoes, we'll know he's a sociopath, like Crean. I'm betting this won't happen with Buzz. I'm also betting that Crean is one of the few coaches in the country to be so utterly dishonest after jumping ship, which has earned him the reputation he has.
There is no hypocrisy. Many were fed up with Crean the person but tolerated Crean the coach because he was the coach at MU. I made no judgments about Crean the person. I felt he had shortcomings as a coach, but hoped he would improve as long as he was the coach at MU. Now that he is elsewhere, I see the same shortcomings as a coach, albeit with a better built-in recruiting base, so some of his shortcomings can be masked. I thank him for his service at MU. But I don't miss him.
Buzz appears to have a higher ceiling as a coach. If he chooses to leave, I expect that he will do it in such a way that reveals his character, just as Crean did.
I4 is short for I4MU2H*
(*I am for MU to hate)
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on August 26, 2013, 10:57:21 AM
Respect is earned, not given. I4 did plenty to lose any respect fans had with his own behavior prior and including his departure.
Buzz's post-MU legacy will be determined by a lot of things, including the manner of his departure and the way he conducts himself prior to the departure.
And I'm sure you understand why UNO fans were so upset with Buzz's departure. People leave for different reasons...better opportunities, better jobs, promises broken, etc. At the end of the day, usually fans are butthurt upon the departure in one way, shape or another. I've pointed out the blatant hypocrisy here on how KO left vs TC....blatant hypocrisy, but KO was cool to have a beer with so all is cool. ::)
University of New Orleans has fans? News to me
So "hypocrisy" is Chicos' new catchphrase, huh? Splendid.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 26, 2013, 12:49:42 PM
And I'm sure you understand why UNO fans were so upset with Buzz's departure. People leave for different reasons...better opportunities, better jobs, promises broken, etc. At the end of the day, usually fans are butthurt upon the departure in one way, shape or another. I've pointed out the blatant hypocrisy here on how KO left vs TC....blatant hypocrisy, but KO was cool to have a beer with so all is cool. ::)
considering they have no facilities (still, despite the promises made to buzz), plus the fact that they are now DII or DIII, I think UNO's fans have a lot to be butthurt about.
I wasn't around for KO, so I have no feelings. I have meet both I4 and Buzz, I4 would continuously be looking over your shoulder for someone else better that he could talk to. Buzz, spent a few minutes at the Circles event in Madison when he was on the job for 6 days talking about his family, his wife and the miscarriages they had been throught.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 26, 2013, 12:49:42 PM
I've pointed out the blatant hypocrisy here on how KO left vs TC....blatant hypocrisy, but KO was cool to have a beer with so all is cool. ::)
You ever read Shakespeare? Anyone who has can't deny the flaws that eventually do in Othello. But even then you can see his good side and what might have been. With Iago, though, all you're left with is the treachery of a very small and self absorbed man. Smart guy, Bill.
Quote from: tower912 on August 26, 2013, 11:49:04 AM
There is no hypocrisy. Many were fed up with Crean the person but tolerated Crean the coach because he was the coach at MU. I made no judgments about Crean the person. I felt he had shortcomings as a coach, but hoped he would improve as long as he was the coach at MU. Now that he is elsewhere, I see the same shortcomings as a coach, albeit with a better built-in recruiting base, so some of his shortcomings can be masked. I thank him for his service at MU. But I don't miss him.
Buzz appears to have a higher ceiling as a coach. If he chooses to leave, I expect that he will do it in such a way that reveals his character, just as Crean did.
Sure there is hypocrisy. One need to look at KO's departure vs TC's and it is so blatant you can't walk two inches without stepping in it. UNO fans won't agree with you on how Buzz left his first gig and his "character", but that's always in the eye of the beholder and butt hurting that goes on. I, too, suspect when Buzz leaves he will do it in a much better manner than what TC and Buzz did his first time around. That's the beauty of life, you get to learn from your mistakes. My guess is when TC leaves for his next gig, he will also do it in a better way. Lessons learned...if not, there is something wrong.
When Buzz leaves, I'll thank him for his service as well and wish him well at his next gig, especially if it is at KU or IU. Then the next guy in and hopefully he does as well as the last two coaches, we've been pretty blessed.
But Buzz will be here as long as MU will have him (those words will be masturbated and twisted here if he does leave til the cows come home....the parsing of the meaning "as long as MU will have him" will be epic to read here and the hypocrisy will be on overload....hope to never have to read it and he's here for decades, but MU's history shows that won't be the case)
Quote from: swoopem on August 26, 2013, 01:01:04 PM
University of New Orleans has fans? News to me
Of course...plenty of butt hurt then. http://blog.nola.com/tpsports/2007/07/uno_coach_resigns.html Just look at the comments. Same thing at every school, no difference.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on August 26, 2013, 01:27:15 PM
considering they have no facilities (still, despite the promises made to buzz), plus the fact that they are now DII or DIII, I think UNO's fans have a lot to be butthurt about.
I wasn't around for KO, so I have no feelings. I have meet both I4 and Buzz, I4 would continuously be looking over your shoulder for someone else better that he could talk to. Buzz, spent a few minutes at the Circles event in Madison when he was on the job for 6 days talking about his family, his wife and the miscarriages they had been throught.
UNO is Division I. They were tempted to go DII in 2011, but remained in DI. They will be joining the Southland conference starting this week with Oral Roberts, Sam Houston, Nicholls State, McNeese State, Central Arkansas, etc, etc.
I was around for KO...wearing his Tennessee sweatshirt before he even resigned from MU. Publicly dissing MU about his contract at every turn, let alone the behavior that if it ever got out would have put MU basketball back in the stone ages. I appreciate what he did to rebuild the program, but he was every bit the jagoff he has been at every stop and why he has left every stop the way he has. But what a swell guy to have a beer with.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 26, 2013, 02:11:15 PM
Of course...plenty of butt hurt then. http://blog.nola.com/tpsports/2007/07/uno_coach_resigns.html Just look at the comments. Same thing at every school, no difference.
I particularly liked this comment - - - -
"Marquette under Crean is sleazy."
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 26, 2013, 02:00:15 PM
When Buzz leaves, I'll thank him for his service as well and wish him well at his next gig, especially if it is at KU or IU. Then the next guy in and hopefully he does as well as the last two coaches, we've been pretty blessed.
Oh, you'll thank Buzz for his service, all right. And you'll wish him well, sure. And then you'll do your best to belittle his accomplishments, call him a liar and draw moral equivalencies between TC and him. And you'll say I told you so, they're all the same, and anyone who likes Buzz and dislikes Crean is a hypocrite. And among Marquette fans who have known both guys you'll remain in a very small minority. Oh, and by the way, if the next guy in does as well as the the guy he replaces he'll be doing BETTER than TC, not the same as him.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 26, 2013, 02:11:15 PM
Of course...plenty of butt hurt then. http://blog.nola.com/tpsports/2007/07/uno_coach_resigns.html Just look at the comments. Same thing at every school, no difference.
These are some pretty funny comments, thanks for digging this up. And yes, you are right... these comments are inevitable from any fanbase.romeisburnin July 06, 2007 at 9:46PM
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NO offense to Marquette fans--but I mean maybe I could understand his decision if he may have left for Duke, Kentucky etc..
I dont think it is appropriate. No matter if arena is ready or not. Buzz fizzed out on this one. And he wasnt a good coach.
lsu2378 July 06, 2007 at 3:23PM
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Take your Buzz Ass Self back to Marquette. You wil never get another Head Coaching Job . UNO is better off without you.
oscarpeck July 06, 2007 at 11:59PM
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Marquette under Crean is sleazy.
They "allegedly" tampered with Dan Fitzgerald who was playing for Tulane;
They trumpe their academics, but take non qualifiers and partials. (hellow D Wade)
And now this - you might have a case of tortious interference, knowing Crean
Good luck Privateers.
sonofno July 08, 2007 at 8:15AM
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This move is bush league. Everyone in the UNO community has known for quite some time that the arena would not be ready for the upcoming bball season. Don't let Mr. Buzz pull your leg on that one! Besides, this was the perfect opportunity for him to build a fan base by recruiting wisely and putting a good product on the floor without any high expectations being pressed on him given the circumstances.
This was a coward move. He either realized that he wasn't ready to be a head coach, or he was just being greedy and going after the money. IMHO, his decision to leave had as much to do with the arena as FEMA has had in helping people get back on their feet.
Let's get Griff or Tic in here and get a winner!
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 26, 2013, 02:16:57 PM
UNO is Division I. They were tempted to go DII in 2011, but remained in DI. They will be joining the Southland conference starting this week with Oral Roberts, Sam Houston, Nicholls State, McNeese State, Central Arkansas, etc, etc.
Careful. They were more than tempted. They started the process. Like ZFB, they were deemed to be in transition. In fact, under NCAA bylaws, several players were able to transfer out & immediately play at D-I schools because UNO was transitioning. Far more than "tempted".
People like Buzz. People liked Majerus. People liked O'Neill despite himself because he was genuine and funny and a good coach. People do not like Crean. End of story.
Quote from: Jay Bee on August 26, 2013, 02:39:41 PM
Careful. They were more than tempted. They started the process. Like ZFB, they were deemed to be in transition. In fact, under NCAA bylaws, several players were able to transfer out & immediately play at D-I schools because UNO was transitioning. Far more than "tempted".
Understood, but they pulled out of it and remain DI, unlike the claim they are "now DII or DIII." This was also 2011, not 2007. They did the initial start down that path, but pulled back. I call it tempted, you can call it what you want. They clearly didn't go all the way, describe it as you wish...they are DI.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on August 26, 2013, 02:44:23 PM
People like Buzz. People liked Majerus. People liked O'Neill despite himself because he was genuine and funny and a good coach. People do not like Crean. End of story.
Lots of people didn't like Rick, how soon you forget. Lots and lots of people didn't like KO, how soon you forget. Just as there are a lot of people that liked Crean, how soon you forget. Same for Mike Deane. It often depended who you were.
Quote from: MarsupialMadness on August 26, 2013, 02:33:12 PM
These are some pretty funny comments, thanks for digging this up. And yes, you are right... these comments are inevitable from any fanbase.
romeisburnin July 06, 2007 at 9:46PM
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NO offense to Marquette fans--but I mean maybe I could understand his decision if he may have left for Duke, Kentucky etc..
I dont think it is appropriate. No matter if arena is ready or not. Buzz fizzed out on this one. And he wasnt a good coach.
lsu2378 July 06, 2007 at 3:23PM
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Take your Buzz Ass Self back to Marquette. You wil never get another Head Coaching Job . UNO is better off without you.
oscarpeck July 06, 2007 at 11:59PM
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Marquette under Crean is sleazy.
They "allegedly" tampered with Dan Fitzgerald who was playing for Tulane;
They trumpe their academics, but take non qualifiers and partials. (hellow D Wade)
And now this - you might have a case of tortious interference, knowing Crean
Good luck Privateers.
sonofno July 08, 2007 at 8:15AM
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This move is bush league. Everyone in the UNO community has known for quite some time that the arena would not be ready for the upcoming bball season. Don't let Mr. Buzz pull your leg on that one! Besides, this was the perfect opportunity for him to build a fan base by recruiting wisely and putting a good product on the floor without any high expectations being pressed on him given the circumstances.
This was a coward move. He either realized that he wasn't ready to be a head coach, or he was just being greedy and going after the money. IMHO, his decision to leave had as much to do with the arena as FEMA has had in helping people get back on their feet.
Let's get Griff or Tic in here and get a winner!
I agree, they are pretty funny. They were upset. Reminds me a LOT of the same things our fans said. Calling it bush league, saying he would never succeed and be fired in a few years, etc, etc. Many parallels.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 26, 2013, 02:58:38 PM
Lots of people didn't like Rick, how soon you forget. Lots and lots of people didn't like KO, how soon you forget. Just as there are a lot of people that liked Crean, how soon you forget. Same for Mike Deane. It often depended who you were.
First words out of nearly every MU fan I know regarding Al, Hank and Buzz = "Great guy"
First words regarding Rick, KO and Deane = "Great guy, but..."
I have never heard any of my friends or acquaintances who know MU basketball begin their description of TC with those two or three words. Ever. Kick and scream, say it's not fair, but as long as people feel that way you'll never be able to rehabilitate the guy's rep with MU fans. We tolerated him, we celebrate Buzz. Sorry you don't like it but 1,000,000 posts won't change it.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 26, 2013, 03:20:32 PM
I agree, they are pretty funny. They were upset. Reminds me a LOT of the same things our fans said. Calling it bush league, saying he would never succeed and be fired in a few years, etc, etc. Many parallels.
I particularly like the one written by oscarpeck
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 26, 2013, 02:58:38 PM
Lots of people didn't like Rick, how soon you forget. Lots and lots of people didn't like KO, how soon you forget. Just as there are a lot of people that liked Crean, how soon you forget. Same for Mike Deane. It often depended who you were.
I forgot Deane...another guy remembered fondly. Only one guy not. Even Dukiet, as horrible a coach as he was, was a helluva nice guy.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on August 26, 2013, 02:44:23 PM
People like Buzz. People liked Majerus. People liked O'Neill despite himself because he was genuine and funny and a good coach. People do not like Crean. End of story.
I was at Marquette during the TC era. And we LOVED him. The fake baking was weird but we took him with all of his quirks, even the diet coke. It didn't matter because he was winning. He took us from a has been mid major program to a major player in the Big East. As far as the students were concerned (can't speak for alumni) he walked on water.
That changed the instant he left. And I will be the first to say that I was pissed and said some awful things about him. All the little things that we used to love TC for become tacky and reasons to hate him. Descriptors like "passionate and dedicated" turned into "sleazy and douchey." How he left, yes it sucked. But people would still say the same things no matter how it happened.
The fact is, no matter what you think of him personally (which none of you as far as I know actually know him personally) he did great things for our program. D Wade, 2003, the Big East, all of that was because of TC. For me, that will always trump the manner in which he left and his general doucebagginess.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on August 26, 2013, 04:27:30 PM
I was at Marquette during the TC era. And we LOVED him. The fake baking was weird but we took him with all of his quirks, even the diet coke. It didn't matter because he was winning. He took us from a has been mid major program to a major player in the Big East. As far as the students were concerned (can't speak for alumni) he walked on water.
That changed the instant he left. And I will be the first to say that I was pissed and said some awful things about him. All the little things that we used to love TC for become tacky and reasons to hate him. Descriptors like "passionate and dedicated" turned into "sleazy and douchey." How he left, yes it sucked. But people would still say the same things no matter how it happened.
The fact is, no matter what you think of him personally (which none of you as far as I know actually know him personally) he did great things for our program. D Wade, 2003, the Big East, all of that was because of TC. For me, that will always trump the manner in which he left and his general doucebagginess.
I can vouch for the immediate post Crean feeling it was my first year of Bball games and I didn't understand why everybody was going crazy at their old coach took until my freshman year for my RA to explain it to me and it all made sense.
Oh, to be young and naive......
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on August 26, 2013, 04:27:30 PM
I was at Marquette during the TC era. And we LOVED him. The fake baking was weird but we took him with all of his quirks, even the diet coke. It didn't matter because he was winning. He took us from a has been mid major program to a major player in the Big East. As far as the students were concerned (can't speak for alumni) he walked on water.
That changed the instant he left. And I will be the first to say that I was pissed and said some awful things about him. All the little things that we used to love TC for become tacky and reasons to hate him. Descriptors like "passionate and dedicated" turned into "sleazy and douchey." How he left, yes it sucked. But people would still say the same things no matter how it happened.
The fact is, no matter what you think of him personally (which none of you as far as I know actually know him personally) he did great things for our program. D Wade, 2003, the Big East, all of that was because of TC. For me, that will always trump the manner in which he left and his general doucebagginess.
Nicely said.
The memories of 2003 outweigh the bad for me, so it's all good in my book.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 26, 2013, 03:27:08 PM
First words out of nearly every MU fan I know regarding Al, Hank and Buzz = "Great guy"
First words regarding Rick, KO and Deane = "Great guy, but..."
I have never heard any of my friends or acquaintances who know MU basketball begin their description of TC with those two or three words. Ever. Kick and scream, say it's not fair, but as long as people feel that way you'll never be able to rehabilitate the guy's rep with MU fans. We tolerated him, we celebrate Buzz. Sorry you don't like it but 1,000,000 posts won't change it.
Your friends.....brings back the oft told "I don't understand how that guy got elected, none of
MY FRIENDS voted for him" LOL
Just as I can tell you stories of alums when I worked there that despised the ground KO and MD walked on. Different strokes for different folks.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 26, 2013, 05:14:00 PM
Your friends.....brings back the oft told "I don't understand how that guy got elected, none of MY FRIENDS voted for him" LOL
Saying something this stupid would disqualify one from becoming my friend.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 26, 2013, 02:47:51 PM
Understood, but they pulled out of it and remain DI, unlike the claim they are "now DII or DIII." This was also 2011, not 2007. They did the initial start down that path, but pulled back. I call it tempted, you can call it what you want. They clearly didn't go all the way, describe it as you wish...they are DI.
Sorry, the current division choice by UNO is only slightly above my interest in the consistency of PRNs bowel movements.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on August 26, 2013, 04:27:30 PM
I was at Marquette during the TC era. And we LOVED him. The fake baking was weird but we took him with all of his quirks, even the diet coke. It didn't matter because he was winning. He took us from a has been mid major program to a major player in the Big East. As far as the students were concerned (can't speak for alumni) he walked on water.
That changed the instant he left. And I will be the first to say that I was pissed and said some awful things about him. All the little things that we used to love TC for become tacky and reasons to hate him. Descriptors like "passionate and dedicated" turned into "sleazy and douchey." How he left, yes it sucked. But people would still say the same things no matter how it happened.
The fact is, no matter what you think of him personally (which none of you as far as I know actually know him personally) he did great things for our program. D Wade, 2003, the Big East, all of that was because of TC. For me, that will always trump the manner in which he left and his general doucebagginess.
Who cares how he left? It's the most overblown thing ever. I'm just glad he did. I wasn't around when Kennedy was assassinated but its been said the entire country was in mourning until the Beatles arrived. When Crean left, I felt like my grief had been wiped clean.
Methinks there would be zero chance of KO, or a guy like him, getting hired at Marquette now.
Everybody loved Majerus until he became the head coach. Then even the players he recruited hated him.
I didn't know Crean. I do know he likes to hang with that whole La Russa - Parcells - Knight crowd, which is all one needs to know about him.
At least those three arse-wipes won. For Crean, it's all of the douchebaggery, none of the titles.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 26, 2013, 05:20:00 PM
Saying something this stupid would disqualify one from becoming my friend.
Thank God ;)
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on August 26, 2013, 06:53:22 PM
Sorry, the current division choice by UNO is only slightly above my interest in the consistency of PRNs bowel movements.
Fair enough, but in the future you will be able to properly say they are in Division I. Maybe you can win a beer or something in a trivia contest at the bar yucking it up about fake twitter accounts. ;)
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 26, 2013, 02:47:51 PM
Understood, but they pulled out of it and remain DI, unlike the claim they are "now DII or DIII." This was also 2011, not 2007. They did the initial start down that path, but pulled back. I call it tempted, you can call it what you want. They clearly didn't go all the way, describe it as you wish...they are DI.
Let us also remember that the DII transition came after they started down the path of a DIII transition in 2009, formalizing the paperwork in early 2010 to reclassify to DIII.
To be clear, New Orleans is a unique case and has had incredible problems throughout the organization. Partly due to Katrina, partly not. Buzz's head coaching job there was very unique in its challenges and what he undeservedly and unexpected faced.
BTW, Crean's got a monster buyout due if I4 sent him packing today. Why don't the masses or the school report it instead of the incorrect info?!
Quote from: MU82 on August 26, 2013, 07:13:14 PM
Methinks there would be zero chance of KO, or a guy like him, getting hired at Marquette now.
Everybody loved Majerus until he became the head coach. Then even the players he recruited hated him.
I didn't know Crean. I do know he likes to hang with that whole La Russa - Parcells - Knight crowd, which is all one needs to know about him.
At least those three arse-wipes won. For Crean, it's all of the douchebaggery, none of the titles.
I'd agree with 99.9% of this.
It took most of those guys a long time to win those titles. We'll see what happens at the end of his career. The ironic thing about those three arse-wipes, their players often swear by them as leaders, coaches, etc. Similar to many of TC's former players. I guess one other common point is that none of those guys really gave a damn about what the fans thought, the administrators, etc...they're not out there to please you or I (the fans, etc), or have a beer with us and be cool at the Harp or Turners. They are consumed with their teams, trying to do it the right way (not always succeeding) and generally trying to make better men of their players not athletically but beyond that.
Quote from: MU82 on August 26, 2013, 07:13:14 PM
I didn't know Crean. I do know he likes to hang with that whole La Russa - Parcells - Knight crowd, which is all one needs to know about him.
At least those three arse-wipes won. For Crean, it's all of the douchebaggery, none of the titles.
If Knight isn't the most brilliant college basketball coach of all time (I think he is) he's certainly in the team picture. Parcells and LaRussa are lesser lights, but hall of famers nonetheless. I cut them some slack because they're from a generation where douchbaggery was common among coaches. Crean doesn't share their excuse or their ability.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on August 26, 2013, 06:53:22 PM
Sorry, the current division choice by UNO is only slightly above my interest in the consistency of PRNs bowel movements.
Cable hard. A cat couldnt scratch 'em.
Metamucil.
Quote from: Jay Bee on August 26, 2013, 07:23:58 PM
BTW, Crean's got a monster buyout due if I4 sent him packing today. Why don't the masses or the school report it instead of the incorrect info?!
Just curious, what's the number for Buzz?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 26, 2013, 07:25:54 PM
I'd agree with 99.9% of this.
It took most of those guys a long time to win those titles. We'll see what happens at the end of his career. The ironic thing about those three arse-wipes, their players often swear by them as leaders, coaches, etc. Similar to many of TC's former players. I guess one other common point is that none of those guys really gave a damn about what the fans thought, the administrators, etc...they're not out there to please you or I (the fans, etc), or have a beer with us and be cool at the Harp or Turners. They are consumed with their teams, trying to do it the right way (not always succeeding) and generally trying to make better men of their players not athletically but beyond that.
Yes, all the players Knight
didn't choke swore by him!
Seriously, Bobby was an amazing basketball coach. But do take a look at his record after he got Indiana to the Final Four in 1992. Lots of double-digit-loss seasons, little NCAA tourney success.
It seems even the great Bobby Knight had to recruit elite athletes to win, and they simply stopped wanting to play for him.
There were too many great coaching options, and too many great schools, from which to choose without having to subject yourself to that kind of abuse.
Bobby was the classic example of a coach who thought he was bigger than the university -- and in his case, for most of his time there, he was. When the rest of the university started getting humiliated by his antics -- and, of course, when the big-time winning stopped -- he became yesterday's news.
Quote from: Jay Bee on August 26, 2013, 07:23:58 PM
Let us also remember that the DII transition came after they started down the path of a DIII transition in 2009, formalizing the paperwork in early 2010 to reclassify to DIII.
To be clear, New Orleans is a unique case and has had incredible problems throughout the organization. Partly due to Katrina, partly not. Buzz's head coaching job there was very unique in its challenges and what he undeservedly and unexpected faced.
BTW, Crean's got a monster buyout due if I4 sent him packing today. Why don't the masses or the school report it instead of the incorrect info?!
Why don't you produce that documentation? Set us all straight.
No one disputes the challenges at UNO. You can also imagine why many of their fans with their luck down, their city underwater took at as an enormous kick in the balls. I'm sure you can understand why some felt that way....whether they are wrong or right only they can answer as that was their impression under those circumstances.
Quote from: MU82 on August 26, 2013, 09:08:44 PM
Yes, all the players Knight didn't choke swore by him!
Seriously, Bobby was an amazing basketball coach. But do take a look at his record after he got Indiana to the Final Four in 1992. Lots of double-digit-loss seasons, little NCAA tourney success.
It seems even the great Bobby Knight had to recruit elite athletes to win, and they simply stopped wanting to play for him.
There were too many great coaching options, and too many great schools, from which to choose without having to subject yourself to that kind of abuse.
Bobby was the classic example of a coach who thought he was bigger than the university -- and in his case, for most of his time there, he was. When the rest of the university started getting humiliated by his antics -- and, of course, when the big-time winning stopped -- he became yesterday's news.
No argument from me. It took Wooden forever to win a title. Dean Smith would go the Final Four often but few championships. Boeheim was labeled as a poor coach for not winning it all until he finally won it all. La Russa won a WS title in year 13, took 17 years later to win the next one. Look at all the Lebron B.S. by the experts the last few years. It's the culture we live in.
I had the pleasure \ misfortune of being a grad asst at IU during Bobby's tenure toward the end of his IU career. It wasn't pretty. Great coach, solid person (to some...horrible to others). There are people that would swear by him, and those that hate his guts. Sounds like a few bosses I've known and a whole lot of other coaches I've known. They aren't there to play footsie with the fans, but some fans think they should be to get high on their lovable rating.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 26, 2013, 10:04:17 PM
. Sounds like a few bosses I've known and a whole lot of other coaches I've known. They aren't there to play footsie with the fans, but some fans think they should be to get high on their lovable rating.
Has nothing to do playing footsie, lovable ratings or any other nonsense/BS. Very simple. People who aren't total pricks have trouble working for or rooting for guys who are. People who are don't.
This thread *should* have been 2 posts long. So we'll shut it down now, and everyone can try to move along...