Died in his Harlem hotel room today...possibly drug related.
One of Al's players. Good defender, very quick. Knew the game. New York Tough.
Was with Gary Brell, Joe Thomas, Ric Cobb, and Gary Grzesk.
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/knicks_great_meminger_found_still_grjxdXYnptKHcsxOGtj5xO?utm_source=SFnewyorkpost&utm_medium=SFnewyorkpost
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/9595683/former-new-york-knicks-player-dean-meminger-found-dead
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news&id=9217243
Ironically on this day in 2009 he nearly died in a fire in his apartment
But RIP though
Sad time for Warriors all over the country. Dean was without a doubt the smartest college basketball player, on the court, I've ever seen. No one controlled tempo and handled the rock like Meminger.
And, that Cheshire Cat smile.....
#14 was our dream and their nightmare.
Quote from: Earl Tatum on August 23, 2013, 06:13:37 PM
One of Al's players. Good defender, very quick. Knew the game. New York Tough.
Was with Gary Brell, Joe Thomas, Ric Cobb, and Gary Grzesk.
And Chones, McGuire, Frazier and Lackey. He was some type of player, but personal demons took over his life.
Still remember him in the bumblebees......
RIP Dream.....
RIP
Quote from: mumike22 on August 23, 2013, 06:04:35 PM
Died in his Harlem hotel room today...possibly drug related.
Manhattan Hotel room.... Small difference
Quote from: sixstrings03 on August 23, 2013, 07:46:33 PM
Manhattan Hotel room.... Small difference
Maybe no difference, Harlem is in Manhatten. Manhatten hotel room does sound nicer.
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Drugs are bad, mmkay.
RIP
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 23, 2013, 07:58:14 PM
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At least TC knew what college he attended--I wonder if he was one of his favorites?
Rest in Peace, Dean. Smoothest player I ever remember at MU.
Quote from: We R Final Four on August 23, 2013, 08:19:31 PM
At least TC knew what college he attended--I wonder if he was one of his favorites?
While I'm all for ripping on Crean about as often as possible, this is one of the few places it's not necessary. Whether Crean Twatted that with some sort of agenda or to simply name drop or not, let's keep this 1 to thoughts and prayers for a fallen Warrior. RIP Dean.
Quote from: We R Final Four on August 23, 2013, 08:19:31 PM
At least TC knew what college he attended--I wonder if he was one of his favorites?
Yup, people do make mistakes. Glad we got that covered. RIP
Quote from: sixstrings03 on August 23, 2013, 07:46:33 PM
Manhattan Hotel room.... Small difference
Quote from: LittleMurs on August 23, 2013, 07:49:53 PM
Maybe no difference, Harlem is in Manhatten. Manhatten hotel room does sound nicer.
I believe the "Manhattan" hotel was on 145th. That's a few blocks up from the St. Regis.
Very sad. At least now he has the peace he couldn't find in life. Thoughts and prayers to his son.
Great quote from Al who said Meminger was "quicker than 11:15 Mass at a seaside resort."
RIP Dean Meminger-----living in the Milwaukee area in the 1970s, it was always very exciting to watch Dean the Dream and MU.
Thank you for your great contributions to MU------you always will be recognized as one of the all time greats to play for Marquette.
Quote from: jefffla01 on August 23, 2013, 11:40:03 PM
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RIP Dean Meminger
Wow. A guy that's been registered at scoop for 5 years, and saved his 14th post for today. That's dedication Dean would appreciate.
Yes I dont post much-----I am on the site almost every day.
Dean Meminger was an all time great at Marquette-----its a sad day for all MU fans. I am just about his age, so I feel sad at his passing at such a young age.
RIP Dean
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Dean Thanks for the memories
RIP Man
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Sad day for Marquette Nation.....RIP
The picture of Dean with NIT trophy above his head was etched into my memory decades ago and still brings back goosebumps. He was smooth beyond belief and really set the standard for guards at MU. Great memories and appreciation for he what he gave to the program. He is definitely in my prayers.
Thanks for the memories.
:( RIP Dean
Dean, played on by far the best MU team in 1970 with Chones in the middle, Brell and Lackey on the wings and Allie. Loved that team, to bad they did not have a shot clock back
then as they would have run teams out of the gym with Dean. Not a great shooter but great, I mean great ball handler and driver to the hoop. In some ways, Al held the team back
with his simple simon offense. The only game Dean fouled out of was that Ohio St. reffing fiasco, he had 3 charging calls against him. That reff ruined a potential UCLA-MU game,
to bad. MU was big back then, but beating UCLA would have been sweet. Three charging calls that game, was that ridiculous or what. Still bugs me. Rest in peace Dean, who still
bring great memories. I have one other to share, was at the field house in Madison against Kentucky and Adolp Rupp's segregated team, remember all the confederate flags up there.
The place was nuts, best game I ever saw. MU took a big lead early, Dean stole the ball and went for a lay-up, back then you could not dunk (Lew Alcdndor rule) Dean had to be 2
ft. over the rim and layed it up soft. The place erupted, louder than I have ever heard the fieldhouse sound. Back then Wisconsin did not play to the standards they play now and the
whole crowd was against Kentucky. It was amazing.
78-9 As a Warrior.... Rest in Peace "Dream"
IMO...the best Marquette ever had
truly a sad day to lose one of the greats. With some redundancy, I can still picture the Dream dribbling the ball between Bob Pearcy's legs on the way to the basket in the first Warrior Alumni game at MUHS. He ran the game and controlled all 10 players on the court. He could make them do whatever he wanted.
To BC Hoopster---You are right on. I remember that game. WE DID GET SCREWED! I know, I said a few choice words. It would have been interesting against UCLA. I think that was the biggest "screw job" MU
has ever had. And Al vs. Wooden.
I do not remember, but was Alcindor gone that already, was it the Wicks-Rowe-Patterson team that year, advise?
I attended that memorable game vs tOSU in Athens, GA. Jim McDaniel and Western Kentucky beat Rupp's Kentucky team with Payne in the middle. Had we beaten WKU, Sidney Wicks and UCLA sans Alcindor was on the horizon.
I've watched the Warriors for 50 years - Dean the Dream is clearly the best point guard to wear the Blue and Gold during that time. Nice guy too. RIP, Dean.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 24, 2013, 02:47:42 PM
I've watched the Warriors for 50 years - Dean the Dream is clearly the best point guard to wear the Blue and Gold during that time. Nice guy too. RIP, Dean.
Really? I mean not trying to dishonor the guy as I wasn't even a thought in my dads head during his career but I mean better than Doc, Diener, tony smith, Dom James, Jim Boylan etc?
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on August 24, 2013, 02:54:37 PM
Really? I mean not trying to dishonor the guy as I wasn't even a thought in my dads head during his career but I mean better than Doc, Diener, tony smith, Dom James, Jim Boylan etc?
Not even close, IMHO.
Keep in mind, that "The Dream" was the first big recruit for Al and put MU on the map. Dean was the first brick in the foundation for the home Al built. We have all enjoyed Al's home for the past 50 plus years with a variety of additions.
Lenny
I agree that Dean was best PG in school history. I am a Lloyd Walton guy, but the Dream set the bar.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on August 24, 2013, 02:54:37 PM
Really? I mean not trying to dishonor the guy as I wasn't even a thought in my dads head during his career but I mean better than Doc, Diener, tony smith, Dom James, Jim Boylan etc?
As was said by others....not even in the same league...and no... that is not the "Old Man" in me speaking....
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on August 24, 2013, 02:54:37 PM
Really? I mean not trying to dishonor the guy as I wasn't even a thought in my dads head during his career but I mean better than Doc, Diener, tony smith, Dom James, Jim Boylan etc?
Anyone who knows better--correct me if I'm wrong--but I don't remember that either Doc or Tony Smith could really be classified as point guards.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on August 24, 2013, 02:54:37 PM
Really? I mean not trying to dishonor the guy as I wasn't even a thought in my dads head during his career but I mean better than Doc, Diener, tony smith, Dom James, Jim Boylan etc?
Yes. Not really a close call.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on August 24, 2013, 02:54:37 PM
Really? I mean not trying to dishonor the guy as I wasn't even a thought in my dads head during his career but I mean better than Doc, Diener, tony smith, Dom James, Jim Boylan etc?
How many of the players mentioned (besides Doc) had their numbers retired like The Dream's #14?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 24, 2013, 03:47:02 PM
Not even close, IMHO.
Eye witness as well and Lenny nailed it.
Dean was Marquette's first player to make the 1st team all American. Clearly diener, smith nor anyone else can match that.
Also, it was hilarious when my dad came to NYC to visit me and saw dean's son on ny 1 thinking it was Dean Sr, "this guy hasn't aged a bit!".
Quote from: ecc5051 on August 24, 2013, 03:51:16 PM
Keep in mind, that "The Dream" was the first big recruit for Al and put MU on the map. Dean was the first brick in the foundation for the home Al built. We have all enjoyed Al's home for the past 50 plus years with a variety of additions.
Actually George Thompson was Al's first big recruit. But Dean Meminger was the very best point to ever play at Marquette.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 24, 2013, 03:47:02 PM
Not even close, IMHO.
no question. the finest. he and Al made me an avid fan for 50 years.
Dean was one of the best guards in MU history.
R.I.P
Quote from: ecc5051 link=
How about George "Brute Force" Thompson as precursor to "The Dream?"
Al once said fondly, "Dean paved my driveway."
He or orchestrated the offense, smooth as silk; when MU went ahead in a game Dean took the ball and never turned it over. The one game in 1971 they lost was the only game he ever fouled out of in his three eligible years (freshman could not play varsity ball in those days). It was a terrible call against Ohio State in the Mideast Regionals. He was the first, the mold from which grew the great MU guard tradition. He was the Dream and deserved a far better fate on this earth.
The angels better give him the ball when face the other guys.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on August 24, 2013, 02:54:37 PM
Really? I mean not trying to dishonor the guy as I wasn't even a thought in my dads head during his career but I mean better than Doc, Diener, tony smith, Dom James, Jim Boylan etc?
DOC RIVERS!!!!!!! Did Tom Crean write your MU history book? DOC RIVERS!!!!!!!
What did Doc Rivers do at MU?
Seriously. Please name it. Please. I beg you.
I agree with other posters that Dean Meminger is the best point guard in MU history.
He was a very intelligent and creative pg, who found ways to probe and beat defenses.
Thank you for helping to propel MU basketball into the upper echelon, or as Coach Mcguire would say, taking MU uptown.
"Dean Meminger was quicker than 11:15 mass at a seaside resort"
-Al McGuire
Meminger remembered with moment of silence on the famed outside courts he learned to play on.
http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20130824/washington-heights/knicks-star-dean-meminger-remembered-at-childhood-basketball-court
2003 article on Meminger in the NY Times. He definitely went through a lot of crap. Didn't realize his son is the newscaster of the same name in NY
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/25/sports/pro-basketball-how-dean-meminger-turned-his-life-around.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm
Quote from: The Lens on August 24, 2013, 11:31:31 PM
DOC RIVERS!!!!!!! Did Tom Crean write your MU history book? DOC RIVERS!!!!!!!
What did Doc Rivers do at MU?
Seriously. Please name it. Please. I beg you.
While I agree Dean was much better, Doc was an All-American at MU and is in the top 10 all-time in assists and top 5 all-time in steals, (not to mention his defense). It's not like you can't name anything he did in his 3 years here.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 24, 2013, 02:47:42 PM
I've watched the Warriors for 50 years - Dean the Dream is clearly the best point guard to wear the Blue and Gold during that time. Nice guy too. RIP, Dean.
How about one Alfred "Butch" Lee Jr?
Quote from: denverMU on August 25, 2013, 05:48:18 AM
How about one Alfred "Butch" Lee Jr?
Butch was a 2, played alongside two very good point guards in Walton and Boylan - but they weren't in the Dream's class.
Quote from: goan on August 24, 2013, 08:47:21 PM
Dean was one of the best guards in MU history.
R.I.P
Here fixed it for you ;D
Quote from: The Lens on August 24, 2013, 11:31:31 PM
DOC RIVERS!!!!!!! Did Tom Crean write your MU history book? DOC RIVERS!!!!!!!
What did Doc Rivers do at MU?
Seriously. Please name it. Please. I beg you.
Are you on your period or do you just have a stick up your ass? As was stated Doc was an all american and is top ten assists and top 5 steals.
Quote from: The Lens on August 24, 2013, 11:31:31 PM
DOC RIVERS!!!!!!! Did Tom Crean write your MU history book? DOC RIVERS!!!!!!!
What did Doc Rivers do at MU?
Seriously. Please name it. Please. I beg you.
Marotta's girlfriend.
Quote from: PTM on August 25, 2013, 11:20:32 AM
Marotta's girlfriend.
:D. Too funny! Did he end up marrying her?
Quote from: real chili 83 on August 25, 2013, 12:38:49 PM
:D. Too funny! Did he end up marrying her?
Yup.
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Don't worry about ole Marc. He's doing just fine.
https://twitter.com/KimMarotta
Quote from: Terror Skink on August 25, 2013, 12:54:05 PM
Don't worry about ole Marc. He's doing just fine.
https://twitter.com/KimMarotta
One might even say he's going better in that category.
Quote from: PTM on August 25, 2013, 12:56:50 PM
One might even say he's going better in that category.
Definite upgrade. She was quite the cheerleader back in the day...
Quote from: Terror Skink on August 25, 2013, 12:58:39 PM
Definite upgrade. She was quite the cheerleader back in the day...
There might be a reason why her twitter profile doesn't mention Marc.....
Quote from: Terror Skink on August 25, 2013, 12:54:05 PM
Don't worry about ole Marc. He's doing just fine.
https://twitter.com/KimMarotta
Sending one of their kids to I4
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 25, 2013, 01:07:36 PM
Sending one of their kids to I4
OK that is funny. She talks about sending her kid to Indiana...UW Madison retweets someone asking "why not Wisconsin"...and she then says that she couldn't get in. Oops.
Wow, a thread dedicated to the passing of an MU great turns into a thread from TMZ. Come on guys.
Quote from: BCHoopster on August 24, 2013, 10:07:21 AM
I have one other to share, was at the field house in Madison against Kentucky and Adolp Rupp's segregated team, remember all the confederate flags up there.
The place was nuts, best game I ever saw. MU took a big lead early, Dean stole the ball and went for a lay-up, back then you could not dunk (Lew Alcdndor rule) Dean had to be 2
ft. over the rim and layed it up soft. The place erupted, louder than I have ever heard the fieldhouse sound. Back then Wisconsin did not play to the standards they play now and the
whole crowd was against Kentucky. It was amazing.
http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/statistics/Games/19690313Marquette.html
(http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/statistics/Games/19690313Marquette.html)
Quote from: Terror Skink on August 25, 2013, 01:13:50 PM
OK that is funny. She talks about sending her kid to Indiana...UW Madison retweets someone asking "why not Wisconsin"...and she then says that she couldn't get in. Oops.
That is correct. UW-madison very good school, certainly better than MU and IU. No one is denying that.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 25, 2013, 01:31:38 PM
That is correct. UW-madison very good school, certainly better than MU and IU. No one is denying that.
Good thing you don't enjoy stirring the pot.
Quote from: real chili 83 on August 25, 2013, 01:33:49 PM
Good thing you don't enjoy stirring the pot.
I found it more interesting that the kid tried to go to UW, ended up going to IU....not MU even though both parents went there. I actually find it refreshing, kids need to get out from their parents and branch out. Good for the kids. Now, if the kid went to MU, that's fine also.
Oh, and UW-madison is a better school than MU and IU. Not stirring the pot...water is wet and other facts of life.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 25, 2013, 02:13:00 PM
I found it more interesting that the kid tried to go to UW, ended up going to IU....not MU even though both parents went there. I actually find it refreshing, kids need to get out from their parents and branch out. Good for the kids. Now, if the kid went to MU, that's fine also.
Oh, and UW-madison is a better school than MU and IU. Not stirring the pot...water is wet and other facts of life.
Oh, and you are a piece of work. Water is wet, and other facts of life. ;)
Chicos is spot on. UW trumps both MU and IU academically. Nothin' to be pissed about, but thems the facts. Kids from Homestead, like Marotta's daughter, will alternatively matriculate at universities such as Minnesota, Indiana, Kansas, Missouri, or Iowa. All are easier to get into than Madison.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 25, 2013, 02:13:00 PM
I found it more interesting that the kid tried to go to UW, ended up going to IU....not MU even though both parents went there. I actually find it refreshing, kids need to get out from their parents and branch out. Good for the kids. Now, if the kid went to MU, that's fine also.
Oh, and UW-madison is a better school than MU and IU. Not stirring the pot...water is wet and other facts of life.
I'm sure out nursing and physical therapy students would disagree. Point is that you can't generalize when we have programs that are better.
Not arguing which is "best". Don't care. All are good schools. He just loves to stir the pot.
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on August 25, 2013, 10:29:32 AM
Are you on your period or do you just have a stick up your ass? As was stated Doc was an all american and is top ten assists and top 5 steals.
Both. It's been a rough couple of days.
And FYI, Doc was a Converse All American in 1982. Did not crack any AA teams in 1983. He's just not in Dean's class, at all. We can get pretty loose with the details when it comes to AA teams. Would you call Roney an AA? Doc benefits from a very good NBA career, a great coaching career and his general post MU popularity. A much better recruit than player for MU.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 25, 2013, 01:31:38 PM
That is correct. UW-madison very good school, certainly better than MU and IU. No one is denying that.
I'd say it also depends on what someone wants to study. If you're a music or business student, IU is better than UW or MU.
Quote from: The Lens on August 25, 2013, 03:32:34 PM
Both. It's been a rough couple of days.
And FYI, Doc was a Converse All American in 1982. Did not crack any AA teams in 1983. He's just not in Dean's class, at all. We can get pretty loose with the details when it comes to AA teams. Would you call Roney an AA? Doc benefits from a very good NBA career, a great coaching career and his general post MU popularity. A much better recruit than player for MU.
If anything, Rivers was a disappointment at Marquette. The fact his number is retired is kind of laughable. Who made that call?
Missed this away for a couple of days.
God bless, my favorite Warrior.
If anyone knows this story help me out. It was on the album in the back of the 71 year book. Al said dean was the best point guard he'd ever seen. "Better than Cousy? 'Yes' he said. 'Better than your brother Dick?' 'Yes.'
Haven't been on here in a week or so and didn't see this. Was not even close to being alive to see Dean but I know that he is an MU legend. RIP Dean.