http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-EdfwyLvZk
I still nearly sh!t my pants watching this. Being in the stands for it was insane.
Even know what was going to happen this still gave me chills.
Absolutely incredible.
I think the appropriate Subject line should read
Thank you Lord.
Blue made the winner, but Jamil was cold blooded.
Jamil as a senior could be special.
The good news is that 46-47warriorcaptain signed off for good.
I've watched it a few times. Things I've noticed. Jake had perfect positioning. For some reason, Davidson face-guarded him. Thanks, Davidson. DG got beat badly on that back-door. He just was (past tense because I think he will be better this year) not a good defender in space. It's a good think it went in. JWilson was trailing and was ready to fly at the rim for a follow, but he slipped as he planted to go up. DG was in a good spot but in a wrestling match. I don't know that he would have gotten a tip.
Quote from: real chili 83 on August 05, 2013, 05:39:31 PM
Blue made the winner, but Jamil was cold blooded.
Jamil as a senior could be special.
Yes. Man, so many reasons to be excited for this season. Just the fact that we were able to facilitate such a rally is amazing. VERY few teams last year could have done that.
Quote from: mr.MUskie on August 05, 2013, 05:33:48 PM
Even know what was going to happen this still gave me chills.
Ha--exactly. I'm shaking a little bit from watching that again. Incredible.
Thanks for posting. I remember being in turns hopeful,then grateful, seeing it on TV live. Now it makes me realize how much I want this season to begin!
Quote from: Terror Skink on August 05, 2013, 05:51:56 PM
The good news is that 46-47warriorcaptain signed off for good.
Amen.
Thank you for this post. All is good.
Thanks for this. I was a work, checking the scoreboard, I saw we were down 7, expecting a dreadful weekend of no hoops and being a grouchy a-hole to whomever approached. Then we were up 1. F+ing amazing. God, I love that team. Ring Out Ahoya...
I keep watching and waiting for Davidson to pee down their leg and MU to be so lucky. OK, Davidson did have one (1) turnover down the stretch, but they made 3/4 free throws and scored 7 points in their final 5 possessions? Is 1.2 points per possession gagging? I thought it was pretty damn good. Unfortunately for Davidson, MU scored an ungodly 13 points in those same last 5 possessions. Call us lucky if you will, but all of the shots we made were pure. Epic.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 05, 2013, 08:00:29 PM
I keep watching and waiting for Davidson to pee down their leg and MU to be so lucky. OK, Davidson did have one (1) turnover down the stretch, but they made 3/4 free throws and scored 7 points in their final 5 possessions? Is 1.2 points per possession gagging? I thought it was pretty damn good. Unfortunately for Davidson, MU scored an ungodly 13 points in those same last 5 possessions. Call us lucky if you will, but all of the shots we made were pure. Epic.
Buzz Williams "We're lucky to still be standing"
Understatement of the year. Glad it worked out, sometimes better to be lucky than good. We were really good against Butler and Miami. Not so good against Davidson, but you take it.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 05, 2013, 08:12:32 PM
Buzz Williams "We're lucky to still be standing"
Understatement of the year. Glad it worked out, sometimes better to be lucky than good. We were really good against Butler and Miami. Not so good against Davidson, but you take it.
Is that how the game looked through your crimson and cream glasses?
I was watching the game at work. I was going crazy jumping up and down screaming. I work in a kitchen and when I saw the bucket go in I ran out to the bar to catch the shot again off of the 10 second delay we had.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 05, 2013, 08:12:32 PM
Buzz Williams "We're lucky to still be standing"
Anytime you win a close game in a win or go home format you're "lucky to be still standing". Sorta like how IU was lucky to be still standing after Temple, though I don't recall TC admitting as much.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 05, 2013, 08:12:32 PM
Buzz Williams "We're lucky to still be standing"
Understatement of the year. Glad it worked out, sometimes better to be lucky than good. We were really good against Butler and Miami. Not so good against Davidson, but you take it.
There he is--like clockwork.
MU stood tall and came through. Didn't fold; kept fighting. Bottle was tipped, but they stuck together.
Buzz's "we're lucky" is more about him being humble than anything else.
Marquette simply remained "Warriors" when times were tough and reaped the benefits.
Quote from: We R Final Four on August 05, 2013, 08:31:06 PM
There he is--like clockwork.
Just a matter of time before someone reminds him how stupid Crean looked when he team got waxed by Syracuse...despite all that NBA talent.
Oh dont worry...Crean will learn from that loss. The match-ups for the ACC-B1G Challenge came out not too long ago. Looks like Crean will have to figure out the zone in the Carrier Dome. :D
nm.. not worth it
Quote from: Atticus on August 05, 2013, 08:54:13 PM
Just a matter of time before someone reminds him how stupid Crean looked when he team got waxed by Syracuse...despite all that NBA talent.
Oh dont worry...Crean will learn from that loss. The match-ups for the ACC-B1G Challenge came out not too long ago. Looks like Crean will have to figure out the zone in the Carrier Dome. :D
IU has back-to-back Top 8 recruiting classes. Crean is ready to reload for a Final 4 run. Bank it.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on August 05, 2013, 09:04:57 PM
IU has back-to-back Top 8 recruiting classes. Crean is ready to reload for a Final 4 run. Bank it.
I'd gladly bet that if you put t cap on the time span. 2 years? 3 years? No problem.
IU isnt the only program bringing in great talent. Over the next 3 years, UK will prob win 1 of those. So, you're down to 2 chances.
Quote from: Terror Skink on August 05, 2013, 08:14:02 PM
Is that how the game looked through your crimson and cream glasses?
C'mon, there was nothing unfair about that.
MU stunk for 39 minutes of that game, you bet there was some luck involved.
Sometimes, you are the team that 'peed down their leg', leading people to post unholy screeds about the team and its coach. Sometimes, you are the team that makes the huge comeback, leading same poster to.......find some different way to downplay the accomplishment. Character revealed, yet again. BTW, quit quoting him. It negates the 'ignore' feature.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on August 05, 2013, 09:04:57 PM
IU has back-to-back Top 8 recruiting classes. Crean is ready to reload for a Final 4 run. Bank it.
Btw, Zona has back-to-back-to-back top 4 recruiting classes. I'll bet against them, too.
Quote from: wadesworld on August 05, 2013, 05:26:50 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-EdfwyLvZk
I still nearly sh!t my pants watching this. Being in the stands for it was insane.
Agreed. Best sporting event I have ever had the privilege of attending. Hugging strangers in blue and gold...unbelievable.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 05, 2013, 08:00:29 PM
I keep watching and waiting for Davidson to pee down their leg and MU to be so lucky. OK, Davidson did have one (1) turnover down the stretch, but they made 3/4 free throws and scored 7 points in their final 5 possessions? Is 1.2 points per possession gagging? I thought it was pretty damn good. Unfortunately for Davidson, MU scored an ungodly 13 points in those same last 5 possessions. Call us lucky if you will, but all of the shots we made were pure. Epic.
Agreed. Yes they made 1 critical turnover, but besides that they really couldn't have played the last 1:15 any better. They got the ball to their best free throw shooters, made their free throws, ran clock, and played good defense. Defensively, they didn't let Marquette get quick baskets at the hoop (obviously other than the last play), and they didn't give up any open shots. All 3 of the 3 pointers were very well contested, Jamil and Vander just had some big balls. Marquette made the plays they had to and took the game, Davidson did not give Marquette the game.
Quote from: muarmy81 on August 05, 2013, 09:14:14 PM
Agreed. Best sporting event I have ever had the privilege of attending. Hugging strangers in blue and gold...unbelievable.
Yeah if all things are equal that's the best game I've ever seen live. My first thought was "Someday I'll tell my kids I was at this game."
Taking into account situations, I'd say the '03 Kentucky game was the best game I've been to live. Got us to the Final Four and could not have possibly played a better game or dominated from start to finish anymore than we did (although the first 5ish minutes were pretty sloppy both ways).
But I am blessed to be able to say I was part of both of those weekends. The Davidson game was an insane comeback and the Butler game was just about as well played of a basketball game as you will find from both teams. And '03 the Pitt game was also a very well played game both ways and then again the Kentucky game I was just on cloud 9 for 40 straight minutes.
Also just kind of noticed watching it again that following Davidson's missed free throw before our 1st 3 pointer you can tell Jamil knows exactly what he wants to do. He slows down and lets everyone get up the floor before him so he can be the trailer and get a look at a 3.
Puts into perspective how big of a crapshoot the tourney is. We went from a horrible upset loss to having a great Elite 8 season.
Yes, we were crappy for about 39/40ths of the game.
Yes, we were lucky (and incredibly good) at the end.
Yes, I don't care what anybody wants to call it, because I call it awesome!
I still don't believe we won that game.
Quote from: MUfan12 on August 05, 2013, 09:09:20 PM
MU stunk for 39 minutes of that game, you bet there was some luck involved.
I prefer to think of the last minute not as luck, but as "regression to the mean". :)
Quote from: Atticus on August 05, 2013, 09:08:26 PM
I'd gladly bet that if you put t cap on the time span. 2 years? 3 years? No problem.
IU isnt the only program bringing in great talent. Over the next 3 years, UK will prob win 1 of those. So, you're down to 2 chances.
Atti,
CTC knows a Final 4 team when he leaves one. With all that talent coming in, there is no way he doesn't come through on his prediction of delivering one to I4. I mean, he had two starters on the USA World University team. He is a man of his word. Candy Stripes forever!
Need a "Love It" button on YouTube....from agony to ecstasy in a minute and 16 secs, thanks Marq hoopers
I was at the NCAA game in San Jose.
Left my buddies in the seats watching the game to zip down to the gallery/pub to watch the MU game.
Frustration into incredulousness into hope into relief.
I think *I* peed in my pants watching it. It was THAT big of a relief.
There was break between games and people must've heard it was an upset as the space around me filled up quickly with 3 minutes to go. I was getting asked, "Do you think they'll do it?" I heard, "Davidson's gonna pull the upset!"
And as the Jamil three went in.
"OOOOOOOHHHHHHHHH!!!!!" went the crowd.
And the Vander three.
"OOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHH!!!! Unbelievable!"
Someone said, "Vander's the man. I'm pulling for MU because I like Vander."
And the errant pass.
"OOOOHH MY GOD!"
Finally the Vander layup sent some scattering.
The rest just waited until the pass was thrown.
game over.
This guy took a deep breath, smiled, laughed a bit to himself, and then slowly returned to my seat.
The reaction at Caffrey's >>>
http://painttouches.com/2013/03/21/best-video-reactions-to-blues-shot/
Quote from: pux90mex on August 06, 2013, 12:19:04 AM
The reaction at Caffrey's >>>
http://painttouches.com/2013/03/21/best-video-reactions-to-blues-shot/
College sports in a nutshell.
Quote from: MUfan12 on August 05, 2013, 09:09:20 PM
C'mon, there was nothing unfair about that.
MU stunk for 39 minutes of that game, you bet there was some luck involved.
Nope. I am not sure what was "lucky" about it. It was basketball players hitting basketball shots at the right time.
IMO, there is very little room for "luck" in sports. Was the ending surprising? Unexpected? Yep. Lucky? No.
How many others here watched this since the OP and threw up their arms when VB made the final basket? as if you couldn't believe that just happened?
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on August 06, 2013, 07:03:54 AM
How many others here watched this since the OP and threw up their arms when VB made the final basket? as if you couldn't believe that just happened?
I was too busy giving a primal scream to know what I was doing with my arms.
Quote from: pux90mex on August 06, 2013, 12:19:04 AM
The reaction at Caffrey's >>>
http://painttouches.com/2013/03/21/best-video-reactions-to-blues-shot/
The classroom video...it looked half empty, but still, that many kids went to class during the game???
Nothing lucky about it. Just guys making shots when they needed to.
Quote from: Terror Skink on August 06, 2013, 06:58:10 AM
Nope. I am not sure what was "lucky" about it. It was basketball players hitting basketball shots at the right time.
IMO, there is very little room for "luck" in sports. Was the ending surprising? Unexpected? Yep. Lucky? No.
Hmmm, you and I usually agree, but I was thinking just the opposite. There is a TON of luck in sports. Even Woods and Jordan and others among the best in history have talked a lot about how luck factored into their brilliance.
Athletes still have to make plays. They have to create luck sometimes and they have to take advantage of lucky breaks when they get them. And it seems the greater you are, the luckier you are, too.
But there certainly is luck in sports.
I thought it was over when the inexcusably let the clock run down from 26 to 20 seconds only to foul the best FT in the ranks. I don't know how you can say having one of the worst 3 point shooting teams in the league hit 3 threes in a 30 seconds is anything but luck.
Not to thread-jack, but ...
What would folks be saying about Buzz and the program if we lost this game?
Sorry. Never mind. Too ugly to think about.
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on August 06, 2013, 07:47:25 AM
I thought it was over when the inexcusably let the clock run down from 26 to 20 seconds only to foul the best FT in the ranks. I don't know how you can say having one of the worst 3 point shooting teams in the league hit 3 threes in a 30 seconds is anything but luck.
If memory recalls, they ended up shooting less than their season 3 point average for the game. Nothing lucky about it. Just hitting shots.
Quote from: MU82 on August 06, 2013, 07:46:05 AM
Hmmm, you and I usually agree, but I was thinking just the opposite. There is a TON of luck in sports. Even Woods and Jordan and others among the best in history have talked a lot about how luck factored into their brilliance.
Athletes still have to make plays. They have to create luck sometimes and they have to take advantage of lucky breaks when they get them. And it seems the greater you are, the luckier you are, too.
But there certainly is luck in sports.
By definition, you can't "create luck."
Luck is defined as "Success or failure apparently brought by chance rather than through one's own actions."
There was nothing "brought about by chance" at the end of that game. It was all through the players "own actions" that they won.
Again, I think you people are mixing up "unexpected" or "unlikely" with "luck."
Quote from: Terror Skink on August 06, 2013, 07:52:08 AM
By definition, you can't "create luck."
Luck is defined as "Success or failure apparently brought by chance rather than through one's own actions."
There was nothing "brought about by chance" at the end of that game. It was all through the players "own actions" that they won.
Again, I think you people are mixing up "unexpected" or "unlikely" with "luck."
"Creating one's own luck" is a cliche, and I didn't mean it literally, but your point is fair.
And if I agree that there was no luck in that game and that there is no luck in sports, I guess I'd have to postulate that there's no luck in the world, period.
I'm not ready to do that, but I guess you are.
Quote from: wadesworld on August 05, 2013, 09:58:06 PM
Agreed. Yes they made 1 critical turnover, but besides that they really couldn't have played the last 1:15 any better. They got the ball to their best free throw shooters, made their free throws, ran clock, and played good defense. Defensively, they didn't let Marquette get quick baskets at the hoop (obviously other than the last play), and they didn't give up any open shots. All 3 of the 3 pointers were very well contested, Jamil and Vander just had some big balls. Marquette made the plays they had to and took the game, Davidson did not give Marquette the game.
Yeah if all things are equal that's the best game I've ever seen live. My first thought was "Someday I'll tell my kids I was at this game."
Taking into account situations, I'd say the '03 Kentucky game was the best game I've been to live. Got us to the Final Four and could not have possibly played a better game or dominated from start to finish anymore than we did (although the first 5ish minutes were pretty sloppy both ways).
But I am blessed to be able to say I was part of both of those weekends. The Davidson game was an insane comeback and the Butler game was just about as well played of a basketball game as you will find from both teams. And '03 the Pitt game was also a very well played game both ways and then again the Kentucky game I was just on cloud 9 for 40 straight minutes.
I wasn't at the 03 game but I guess the other satisfying reason was the group of Davidson fans on our side of the court about 3-4 sections down...behind their bench. This group was wearing some sort of frat uniform and talking all kinds of trash, especially near the end of the game. It was sooooo satisfying to have them shut up and sit down.
Great, great game.
Quote from: MU82 on August 06, 2013, 07:57:57 AM
"Creating one's own luck" is a cliche, and I didn't mean it literally, but your point is fair.
And if I agree that there was no luck in that game and that there is no luck in sports, I guess I'd have to postulate that there's no luck in the world, period.
I'm not ready to do that, but I guess you are.
When I was a kid one of my coaches used to say that luck is simply where hard work meets opportunity. There are always moments in sports (and life) when things that are not in your control go your way. When you have put yourself in a position to capitalize on those opportunities, that's what people think of as luck.
Quote from: MU82 on August 06, 2013, 07:47:34 AM
Not to thread-jack, but ...
What would folks be saying about Buzz and the program if we lost this game?
Sorry. Never mind. Too ugly to think about.
Hate to bring up another sore subject in such a positive thread, but I do think about whether Vander would still be with the program if he hadn't hit that lay-up to win it.
Just a fun picture to add to the above.
(http://www.baselinemag.com/imagesvr_ce/9746/2013_bsl_SciFiQuotes_01.jpg)
After watching it again for the first time in months it seems even more insane and improbable.
Anyone have a link to re-watch the tournament wins from this year? Only saw the NCAA Vault, which has the '77 NC, '03 Pitt-UK-KU, and '11 UNC (why, I don't know).
I remember watching the first 39 minutes and being so frustrated because MU was running really good sets, getting open looks, getting offensive rebounds and absolutely nothing would fall. One of those sequences where JWilson and Otule/Gardner would play volleyball with 3-4-5 point blank looks with nothing to show for it. MU played well, just couldn't hit. And then the dream sequence and all was forgiven.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/ncaa/men/gameflash/2013/03/21/85557/index.html#boxscore
Look at this box score. Look how bad MU shot. MU killed Davidson on the boards, outshot them from the line.....could not make a thing. Even with those last 3 3pt shots in a row, MU finished 4-15.
Quote from: Terror Skink on August 06, 2013, 07:52:08 AM
By definition, you can't "create luck."
Luck is defined as "Success or failure apparently brought by chance rather than through one's own actions."
There was nothing "brought about by chance" at the end of that game. It was all through the players "own actions" that they won.
Again, I think you people are mixing up "unexpected" or "unlikely" with "luck."
So, the 94' foot shot that I chucked up that banked in to win the camp championship wasn't lucky????? I am just a gamer I guess.
Quote from: MU82 on August 06, 2013, 07:57:57 AM
"Creating one's own luck" is a cliche, and I didn't mean it literally, but your point is fair.
And if I agree that there was no luck in that game and that there is no luck in sports, I guess I'd have to postulate that there's no luck in the world, period.
I'm not ready to do that, but I guess you are.
If you're existential enough to commit to the ideology of "luck", then at least have the common sense to attribute "luck" correctly. It was not luck that won the game for Marquette, Davidson was lucky to still have the lead with 6.7 seconds to go.
IOW, Marquette didn't get lucky,
Davidson's luck ran out.
Quote from: muarmy81 on August 05, 2013, 09:14:14 PM
Agreed. Best sporting event I have ever had the privilege of attending. Hugging strangers in blue and gold...unbelievable.
Ditto. And for reasons I won't discuss on a message board, certainly the biggest emotional swing I've ever experienced. Wednesday that week was a 'Bottom 10 Day' in my life followed 24 hours later by a day that could crack the 'Top 10'.
It's funny. Chick would say I'm a pessimist. But that day standing in Rupp with 6 seconds left I KNEW Vander was going to score.
Quote from: We R Final Four on August 06, 2013, 08:42:57 AM
So, the 94' foot shot that I chucked up that banked in to win the camp championship wasn't lucky????? I am just a gamer I guess.
Right. No difference at all between your example and a team shooting under their 3pt% making 3 threes at the end of the game to approach their mean percentage...
Quote from: jsglow on August 06, 2013, 10:18:51 AM
It's funny. Chick would say I'm a pessimist. But that day standing in Rupp with 6 seconds left I KNEW Vander was going to score.
I call you a pessimist because you have a tendency to say "Well, this game's over..." when we are down by ten points with five minutes left.
With our team, it's never over until Buzz is shaking the other coach's hand.
Quote from: warriorchick on August 06, 2013, 11:26:29 AM
I call you a pessimist because you have a tendency to say "Well, this game's over..." when we are down by ten points with five minutes left.
With our team, it's never over until Buzz is shaking the other coach's hand.
Geez, you guys.... get a room.
Quote from: warriorchick on August 06, 2013, 11:26:29 AM
I call you a pessimist because you have a tendency to say "Well, this game's over..." when we are down by ten points with five minutes left.
With our team, it's never over until Buzz is shaking the other coach's hand.
Maybe you and Legs should meet. ;)
The game gave me the feeling that I think Kansas fans often have. I almost always root against Kansas. This past year Iowa St had them beat twice and lost both games. I have seen other games where I thought Kansas was going to lose (Memphis losing in championship game), but somehow managed to win. Self is as good at pulling out games as Dean Smith was. Someone earlier commented about Gardner getting beat on defense, but in reality we might have lost the game, if he defended it better and the player pulled the ball out using up more of the clock. I am not giving Gardner props here, but sometimes bad plays help.
Quote from: jesmu84 on August 06, 2013, 10:45:46 AM
Right. No difference at all between your example and a team shooting under their 3pt% making 3 threes at the end of the game to approach their mean percentage...
Mean percentage is based upon the season, not the game. When we are 0 for 4 on 3s--keep shooting cuz odds are we will make the next two---cuz that's closer to our mean.
Point is a heave from full court that goes in is lucky.
Quote from: MU82 on August 06, 2013, 07:57:57 AM
"Creating one's own luck" is a cliche, and I didn't mean it literally, but your point is fair.
And if I agree that there was no luck in that game and that there is no luck in sports, I guess I'd have to postulate that there's no luck in the world, period.
I'm not ready to do that, but I guess you are.
I didn't say there is "no luck in sports." For instance, if quarterback throws a pass to receiver A, but is tipped by a DL only to be caught by receiver B in the end zone...that is luck. If Vander had missed his layup to win that game, but in trying to secure the rebound, the Davidson guy accidently tipped it in...that is luck.
Marquette won by hitting shots. That isn't luck. They executed the game of basketball better.
Quote from: Terror Skink on August 06, 2013, 12:59:09 PM
I didn't say there is "no luck in sports." For instance, if quarterback throws a pass to receiver A, but is tipped by a DL only to be caught by receiver B in the end zone...that is luck. If Vander had missed his layup to win that game, but in trying to secure the rebound, the Davidson guy accidently tipped it in...that is luck.
Marquette won by hitting shots. That isn't luck. They executed the game of basketball better.
Bingo.
Andrew is luck
What a circle jerk of irrelevance.
Quote from: tower912 on August 06, 2013, 08:17:29 AM
I remember watching the first 39 minutes and being so frustrated because MU was running really good sets, getting open looks, getting offensive rebounds and absolutely nothing would fall. One of those sequences where JWilson and Otule/Gardner would play volleyball with 3-4-5 point blank looks with nothing to show for it. MU played well, just couldn't hit. And then the dream sequence and all was forgiven.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/ncaa/men/gameflash/2013/03/21/85557/index.html#boxscore
Look at this box score. Look how bad MU shot. MU killed Davidson on the boards, outshot them from the line.....could not make a thing. Even with those last 3 3pt shots in a row, MU finished 4-15.
That's exactly how I felt. After coming down from the high I was on after the win, that's what I said to the guys I was with. When we were hitting the 3s I still was just sitting in the stands thinking "Damn, why couldn't we have done this earlier? Now the score just looks better than it would've otherwise." Even when we got the ball back with 6.7 seconds left down 1 I still was standing there just accepting that we lost. And I wasn't even mad about it. I thought we played really well, we just could not hit a shot for whatever reason. We didn't
play bad, we just
shot bad.
Quote from: muarmy81 on August 06, 2013, 07:58:35 AM
I wasn't at the 03 game but I guess the other satisfying reason was the group of Davidson fans on our side of the court about 3-4 sections down...behind their bench. This group was wearing some sort of frat uniform and talking all kinds of trash, especially near the end of the game. It was sooooo satisfying to have them shut up and sit down.
Great, great game.
Definitely saw those guys outside the arena immediately after the game, and at least half of them were literally crying. The other half looked like they had just finished puking. Because they had been so obnoxious all game (and I was behind Davidson's 2nd half basket, so I wasn't all that close to them), I
really had to hold myself back from saying anything to them.
Quote from: MU82 on August 05, 2013, 10:58:10 PM
Yes, we were crappy for about 39/40ths of the game.
Yes, we were lucky (and incredibly good) at the end.
Yes, I don't care what anybody wants to call it, because I call it awesome!
I still don't believe we won that game.
See, that wasn't so hard. Exactly how I feel. Thrilled with the win. We played poorly most of the game, fortunate (lucky) to win it based on how we played most of the game. I call it awesome as well. For others, apparently we were rop-a-doping for 38 minutes and it was all by design. Hey, if that makes you sleep better at night, by all means they should go with it.
What I enjoy about Buzz more than anything is his honesty.
"We're lucky to still be standing" - Buzz Williams.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 06, 2013, 04:02:37 PM
See, that wasn't so hard. Exactly how I feel. Thrilled with the win. We played poorly most of the game, fortunate (lucky) to win it based on how we played most of the game. I call it awesome as well. For others, apparently we were rop-a-doping for 38 minutes and it was all by design. Hey, if that makes you sleep better at night, by all means they should go with it.
What I enjoy about Buzz more than anything is his honesty.
"We're lucky to still be standing" - Buzz Williams.
Not saying you're wrong or right for thinking we were lucky. I just think Buzz is wrong. I think we were
unlucky to be trailing at the end of the game, as I thought we executed very well, we just didn't make a lot of shots that we typically had been making all year. We finally hit some shots at the end, and they were very tough shots. But in my opinion, they weren't lucky shots. None of them bounced high off of the rim and fell through (like Vander's against Butler in the 2nd half), nobody on Davidson blew a defensive assignment (all of the shots were very well contested), etc. Marquette just simply made plays/shots.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 06, 2013, 04:02:37 PM
"We're lucky to still be standing" - Buzz Williams.
Buzz doesn't understand the definition of "luck" either.
Quote from: jesmu84 on August 06, 2013, 10:45:46 AM
Right. No difference at all between your example and a team shooting under their 3pt% making 3 threes at the end of the game to approach their mean percentage...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler%27s_fallacy
Hitting 3 3's in a row while highly contested by a bad 3 point shooting team is very lucky.
Quote from: Terror Skink on August 06, 2013, 12:59:09 PM
I didn't say there is "no luck in sports." For instance, if quarterback throws a pass to receiver A, but is tipped by a DL only to be caught by receiver B in the end zone...that is luck. If Vander had missed his layup to win that game, but in trying to secure the rebound, the Davidson guy accidently tipped it in...that is luck.
Marquette won by hitting shots. That isn't luck. They executed the game of basketball better.
So the Franco Harris play was luck ... unless one argues that him being in the right place at the right time was him being prepared and him making the shoestring catch was talent.
Anybody can argue that anything lucky requires skill, preparation, etc.
I still say we were lucky to win. And I still say there is no shame in being lucky.
But hey, we can disagree on this and it won't bother me a bit because I'm just lucky to be an American and have the freedom to post about all this silliness (much of my own making).
Quote from: tower912 on August 06, 2013, 08:17:29 AM
I remember watching the first 39 minutes and being so frustrated because MU was running really good sets, getting open looks, getting offensive rebounds and absolutely nothing would fall. One of those sequences where JWilson and Otule/Gardner would play volleyball with 3-4-5 point blank looks with nothing to show for it. MU played well, just couldn't hit. And then the dream sequence and all was forgiven.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/ncaa/men/gameflash/2013/03/21/85557/index.html#boxscore
Look at this box score. Look how bad MU shot. MU killed Davidson on the boards, outshot them from the line.....could not make a thing. Even with those last 3 3pt shots in a row, MU finished 4-15.
This thread might help....I think it was more than just missing open shots off good sets, at least to 95% of the people in this thread. That was some of it, but we didn't play well for most of that game.
Davidson Game Thread
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=37329.0
My first post on that thread pretty much sums it up for me - we are a glass half empty fan base. I had missed the first half (on the road after a meeting watching on my iPad picking up wifi in the parking lot of a closed cafe), and read the thread from the first half and was sure we had to be down 20, when it turned out the game was tied (could have been a couple of minutes into the second half when I posted).
Watching the game, posting and texting a friend all at the same time was a strange and thrilling experience. While I get a bit frustrated with the negativity - especially towards our players - I also am very grateful to all of you for creating this community to allow for the collective experience we would not otherwise get- it makes the agony more bearable and the ecstasy more special. For those of us who couldn't be there in person (very envious of those of you who were there - the only thing close for me was game 2 of the Sox World Series), MUscoop was a memorable substitute.
Quote from: LloydMooresLegs on August 06, 2013, 11:21:17 PM
My first post on that thread pretty much sums it up for me - we are a glass half empty fan base. I had missed the first half (on the road after a meeting watching on my iPad picking up wifi in the parking lot of a closed cafe), and read the thread from the first half and was sure we had to be down 20, when it turned out the game was tied (could have been a couple of minutes into the second half when I posted).
Watching the game, posting and texting a friend all at the same time was a strange and thrilling experience. While I get a bit frustrated with the negativity - especially towards our players - I also am very grateful to all of you for creating this community to allow for the collective experience we would not otherwise get- it makes the agony more bearable and the ecstasy more special. For those of us who couldn't be there in person (very envious of those of you who were there - the only thing close for me was game 2 of the Sox World Series), MUscoop was a memorable substitute.
Reading your posts on that thread amidst the rest of the chaos was awesome, to say the least.
Quote from: MU82 on August 06, 2013, 04:58:13 PM
So the Franco Harris play was luck ... unless one argues that him being in the right place at the right time was him being prepared and him making the shoestring catch was talent.
Anybody can argue that anything lucky requires skill, preparation, etc.
I still say we were lucky to win. And I still say there is no shame in being lucky.
But hey, we can disagree on this and it won't bother me a bit because I'm just lucky to be an American and have the freedom to post about all this silliness (much of my own making).
Yup, no shame in being lucky to win.....what did Buzz Williams say? "We're lucky to still be standing". I like Buzz and his honesty.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 07, 2013, 12:58:41 AM
Yup, no shame in being lucky to win.....what did Buzz Williams say? "We're lucky to still be standing". I like Buzz and his honesty.
Buzz is right to say we were lucky to still be standing, and posters are right to say the last minute and a half were regression to the mean. Its just heat of the moment vs. statistical distance. I feel like all fans can and should appreciate both. The statistics people got into the nitty gritty of stats from their love of the game, same as buzz uses them to give MU an edge in the heat of battle.
Was the finish to the Davidson game lucky? Sure it was. Just as the circumstances of missing all those earlier threes was unlucky. Our luck just waited until the very end to balance out in that one.
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 07, 2013, 06:51:38 AM
Was the finish to the Davidson game lucky? Sure it was. Just as the circumstances of missing all those earlier threes was unlucky. Our luck just waited until the very end to balance out in that one.
Finally... someone who understands the yin and yang of luck.
If Buzz would have said, "we're not unlucky enough to not still be standing," I swear that would brain-damage half of Scoop.
This is so apropos:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5NV6Rdv1a3I
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on August 08, 2013, 09:41:53 AM
This is so apropos:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5NV6Rdv1a3I
No, no, no......you absolutely
must watch the Stephen Colbert dance-off version:
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/428377/august-06-2013/stephest-colbchella--013---time-to-dance
After reading the following writeup on Jameel I couldn't help but think about Vander's game winner against Davidson on the pick and roll. Thought I'd bump this thread. Still can't believe the events unfolded as they did.
http://www.nycbuckets.com/2013/08/nine-big-east-rookies-to-watch-in-2013-14/
Quote from: wadesworld on October 02, 2013, 06:58:33 PM
After reading the following writeup on Jameel I couldn't help but think about Vander's game winner against Davidson on the pick and roll. Thought I'd bump this thread. Still can't believe the events unfolded as they did.
http://www.nycbuckets.com/2013/08/nine-big-east-rookies-to-watch-in-2013-14/
Interesting remarks on pick and roll. We have had no one who knew how to pass to the big man before. I think it may be different this year.
Quote from: bilsu on August 06, 2013, 11:36:29 AM
The game gave me the feeling that I think Kansas fans often have. I almost always root against Kansas. This past year Iowa St had them beat twice and lost both games. I have seen other games where I thought Kansas was going to lose (Memphis losing in championship game), but somehow managed to win. Self is as good at pulling out games as Dean Smith was. Someone earlier commented about Gardner getting beat on defense, but in reality we might have lost the game, if he defended it better and the player pulled the ball out using up more of the clock. I am not giving Gardner props here, but sometimes bad plays help.
Now, why'd you have to go and remind all us MU fans fans that we were once in the exact same position as those Davidson fans? I still, nearly 30 years later, can't believe we lost to NC in 1986.
http://articles.latimes.com/1986-01-20/sports/sp-31005_1_north-carolina (http://articles.latimes.com/1986-01-20/sports/sp-31005_1_north-carolina)