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http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/9500252/ryan-braun-milwaukee-brewers-suspended-remainder-2013-season
I hope he apologizes to the man he threw under the bus when he got off on a technicality.
Dino Laurenzi
Aaron Rodgers mea culpa coming? Talk about foot in mouth, yikes.
-"Today is for everybody who has ever been wrongly accused. The simple truth is that I'm innocent. The truth is always relevant and the truth prevailed."
-"If I had done this intentionally or unintentionally, I'd be the first one to step up and say I did it," Braun said. "I would bet my life this substance never entered my body."
-"I've lived this nightmare every day for the last four months," Braun said. "At the end of the day, the truth prevailed. I'm the victim of a process that completely broke down."
All from Ryan Braun's 2012 press conference after winning his last appeal.
H8TERS GONNA H8
Braun's one, big, lyin', hairy, wet cat.
It's all kind of strange, though. He failed a test which got reversed on appeal. I haven't read he failed another test.
You can bet your arse there'd be more of a stink with him done for the season, if the Brewers weren't awful this year with no hope for post-season.
The Biogenesis evidence forthcoming is so overwhelming against Braun, he basically plea bargained with MLB to take a suspension now, considering his salary goes up again next year.
Evidence allegedly is that Braun has used PEDs since day 1, it's pretty damning apparently. Notice no appeal from the union, that says it all.
I am confused still...does Brauny have herpes or not?
Quote from: TallTitan34 on July 22, 2013, 05:02:55 PM
I hope he apologizes to the man he threw under the bus when he got off on a technicality.
Thank you Boers and Bernstein.
http://deadspin.com/ryan-braun-does-not-owe-the-sample-collector-an-apology-873467302 (http://deadspin.com/ryan-braun-does-not-owe-the-sample-collector-an-apology-873467302)
What does that have to do with those guys?
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on July 22, 2013, 10:40:54 PM
Thank you Boers and Bernstein.
http://deadspin.com/ryan-braun-does-not-owe-the-sample-collector-an-apology-873467302 (http://deadspin.com/ryan-braun-does-not-owe-the-sample-collector-an-apology-873467302)
So is Sean Newell of Deadspin the authority on this?
Quote from: LAZER on July 22, 2013, 10:55:51 PM
So is Sean Newell of Deadspin the authority on this?
No, but I happen to think he's correct. That's all.
"#Braun had first meeting w MLB June 29. He took 5th, but clear from q's MLB had extensive evidence. Sought 2nd meeting to strike deal. (1)"
"Braun wanted to complete suspension before next season. MLB wanted to establish precedent & avoid arbitration, but suspend more than 50."
"Evidence showed Braun used sophisticated doping regimen for extended period. (3)"
"More suspensions are coming, but MLB wanted to start Braun suspension ASAP, so announced ahead of others. (4)"
"Sources tell @OTLonESPN evidence on A-Rod far beyond evidence v Braun. Charges expected to include accusation he interfered w investigation."
"Signifcant point for MLB: Braun's admission makes it very hard for other players to attack Tony Bosch's credibility. (7)"
https://twitter.com/TJQuinnESPN
Also, and this has been talked about some... but what is the real deterrent for any player in any league in any sport not to use PEDs? If you get away with it for a season or two, cash in with a good contract and endorsements from your success while using, you and your family could be set for life. So, again, why would you not do it?
A question going around twitter today pretty aptly describes the situation: "Would you take steroids if meant $100 million & lifetime financial security for your family?" (obviously that number is high, but still)
If it's the case that A-Rod was interfering with the investigation, he needs to be put on permanent ineligibility for HOF.
Pete Rose was a net positive for the game with his hard play, I don't think A-Rod and this generation of steroid users have been anything but negative for the game in the long run.
Quote from: MUDish on July 22, 2013, 10:08:47 PM
The Biogenesis evidence forthcoming is so overwhelming against Braun, he basically plea bargained with MLB to take a suspension now, considering his salary goes up again next year.
Evidence allegedly is that Braun has used PEDs since day 1, it's pretty damning apparently. Notice no appeal from the union, that says it all.
I am sure they had overwhelming evidence on him, but this is not the same union they had with Fehr. I think the players as a whole want to see this cleaned up and the union agreed to the drug policy. Braun himself may have wanted to avoid a lengthy appeal to just get it over with. The Brewer's season is already lost and Braun has been injured, so it makes since to take the punishment now
Quote from: jesmu84 on July 23, 2013, 12:16:12 AM
Also, and this has been talked about some... but what is the real deterrent for any player in any league in any sport not to use PEDs? If you get away with it for a season or two, cash in with a good contract and endorsements from your success while using, you and your family could be set for life. So, again, why would you not do it?
A question going around twitter today pretty aptly describes the situation: "Would you take steroids if meant $100 million & lifetime financial security for your family?" (obviously that number is high, but still)
I had posted this on the MLB Thread...
I'm a firm believe that if a player violates MLB's drug policy, he should be required to re-pay his organization all of the money that they've paid him as a Major Leaguer. Think that would be a deterrent?
Quote from: jesmu84 on July 23, 2013, 12:16:12 AM
Also, and this has been talked about some... but what is the real deterrent for any player in any league in any sport not to use PEDs? If you get away with it for a season or two, cash in with a good contract and endorsements from your success while using, you and your family could be set for life. So, again, why would you not do it?
A question going around twitter today pretty aptly describes the situation: "Would you take steroids if meant $100 million & lifetime financial security for your family?" (obviously that number is high, but still)
1. Public scorn.
2. Hatred from peers.
3. Personal dignity and character.
4. Future health risks.
5. Risk missing out on hall of fame.
6. Loss of endorsements.
7. Being known as a cheater and liar for the rest of your life.
9. Large head and small raisen-like nuts.
But that's just me.
Quote from: hairyworthen on July 23, 2013, 07:30:55 AM
9. Large head and small penis.
I think your penis is ok but your nuts become raison like.
Quote from: MUDish on July 22, 2013, 05:34:28 PM
Aaron Rodgers mea culpa coming? Talk about foot in mouth, yikes.
Apologize for what? He stood up for a friend. Braun may have told Rodgers he didn't do it, Rodgers believed him. It will be interesting to see where Rodgers goes with it, but he doesn't need to apologize. Are you suggesting Rodgers is also using PEDs?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 23, 2013, 08:21:11 AM
I think your penis is ok but your nuts become raison like.
FIFY
Quote from: hairyworthen on July 23, 2013, 07:30:55 AM
1. Public scorn.
2. Hatred from peers.
3. Personal dignity and character.
4. Future health risks.
5. Risk missing out on hall of fame.
6. Loss of endorsements.
7. Being known as a cheater and liar for the rest of your life.
9. Large head and small raisen-like nuts.
But that's just me.
These players know the risks before they take them and choose to anyway to succeed/get paid in their sports, so even they must believe there isn't much to worry about. There is no real punishment/risk outside of possible future health complications. If they succeed, they get paid. If the don't succeed, they're in the same place pre-PEDs. They don't go to jail. They don't lose money (outside of legals fees, etc). They aren't kicked out of their sport (usually). Seriously, no significant punishment or, more importantly, significant deterrent from using.
Quote from: hairyworthen on July 23, 2013, 08:26:30 AM
Apologize for what? He stood up for a friend. Braun may have told Rodgers he didn't do it, Rodgers believed him. It will be interesting to see where Rodgers goes with it, but he doesn't need to apologize. Are you suggesting Rodgers is also using PEDs?
I think Rodgers owes this guy $40 million:
http://www.nydailynews.com/packers-qb-rodgers-loses-twitter-bet-39-5m-salary-braun-clean-article-1.1406181
Quote from: TallTitan34 on July 23, 2013, 12:42:06 PM
I think Rodgers owes this guy $40 million:
http://www.nydailynews.com/packers-qb-rodgers-loses-twitter-bet-39-5m-salary-braun-clean-article-1.1406181
That's funny. I wonder how pissed Rodgers is at Braun right now and it will be interesting to see how he responds to this going forward
AR was defending his friend. He did nothing wrong. And no, he's not going to play for free this season.
Quote from: Groin_pull on July 23, 2013, 01:07:24 PM
AR was defending his friend. He did nothing wrong. And no, he's not going to play for free this season.
Rodgers might want to come out and say "my bad", he looks/sounds/was a complete idiot for supporting Braun like he did, especially to the degree he did. The only thing he did wrong was come across as a jackass and look really stupid in this. Sometimes it's best to keep your mouth shut.
Quote from: MUDish on July 23, 2013, 04:57:36 PM
Rodgers might want to come out and say "my bad", he looks/sounds/was a complete idiot for supporting Braun like he did, especially to the degree he did. The only thing he did wrong was come across as a jackass and look really stupid in this. Sometimes it's best to keep your mouth shut.
What message do you send when a reporter (or Tweeter or whatever) asks you, "Do you believe your friend Ryan Braun is really clean?" and you respond, "No comment."? There was absolutely nothing else he could've said, being a self-proclaimed good friend of Braun's.
Quote from: MUDish on July 23, 2013, 04:57:36 PM
Rodgers might want to come out and say "my bad", he looks/sounds/was a complete idiot for supporting Braun like he did, especially to the degree he did. The only thing he did wrong was come across as a jackass and look really stupid in this. Sometimes it's best to keep your mouth shut.
AR's biggest crime is hitting "send." Twitter can be dangerous.
Quote from: MUDish on July 23, 2013, 04:57:36 PM
Rodgers might want to come out and say "my bad", he looks/sounds/was a complete idiot for supporting Braun like he did, especially to the degree he did. The only thing he did wrong was come across as a jackass and look really stupid in this. Sometimes it's best to keep your mouth shut.
You should heed your own advice. Had it been cutler, you would be proclaiming what great character he has supporting his friend. If AR truly believed what he said based perhaps on what Braun told him, then why shouldn't he have said what he did. Braun fooled a hell of a lot of people.
Quote from: hairyworthen on July 23, 2013, 05:24:45 PM
You should heed your own advice. Had it been cutler, you would be proclaiming what great character he has supporting his friend.
Lol. What are you basing this on in regards to Dish, simply because he is a fan?
Quote from: MU B2002 on July 23, 2013, 05:35:13 PM
Lol. What are you basing this on in regards to Dish, simply because he is a fan?
Based on previous posts what else would I base it on, I don't know the guy. Kind of weak to bash AR. Bash braun, why make it about AR
What the hell does this have to do with Cutler? Take off the green and gold glasses for christs sake. This has to do with common sense and not making idiotic statements. He's getting beaten up nationally for his stupid comments and rightfully so. My god, who cares that he's the Packers QB. Any idiot that said that should get hammered.
Quote from: MUDish on July 23, 2013, 05:47:40 PM
What the hell does this have to do with Cutler? Take off the green and gold glasses for christs sake. This has to do with common sense and not making idiotic statements. He's getting beaten up nationally for his stupid comments and rightfully so. My god, who cares that he's the Packers QB. Any idiot that said that should get hammered.
Nothing to do with cutler, my point is perhaps you are wearing the blue and orange glasses in making your criticism. Many comments are idiotic in hind sight, mine and yours included. He believed what he said when he said them and was supporting a friend who he believed in. I dont find that idiotic. Had he known braun was using peds, and made this statements then that is idiotic.
Re-read Rodgers tweets. It's one thing to say "I support my friend, glad he was cleared". Rodgers may be his friend, but he's not stupid. Braun got off on a tecnicality. The degree that Rodgers went after ESPN and others on this issue was absurd. To jokingly (or not) put his salary on the line in support of the guy getting off on a technicality...I mean come on.
It's one thing to show support, it's another to handle it the way he did. Even if his name was Bob Smith and he was a janitor, it was stupid.
Quote from: MUDish on July 23, 2013, 06:05:31 PM
Re-read Rodgers tweets. It's one thing to say "I support my friend, glad he was cleared". Rodgers may be his friend, but he's not stupid. Braun got off on a tecnicality. The degree that Rodgers went after ESPN and others on this issue was absurd. To jokingly (or not) put his salary on the line in support of the guy getting off on a technicality...I mean come on.
It's one thing to show support, it's another to handle it the way he did. Even if his name was Bob Smith and he was a janitor, it was stupid.
You are correct he should have kept his mouth shut, but again you are looking in hind sight. These guys are close friends, they have business deals together. If your best friend told you "hey trust me this is bs believe me." you would probably believe him and support him.
http://m.espn.go.com/mlb/story?storyId=9503700
I agree with Matt.
Quote from: MU B2002 on July 23, 2013, 07:10:41 PM
http://m.espn.go.com/mlb/story?storyId=9503700
I agree with Matt.
Kemp whined about when he lost out to begin with. Where do you draw the line. How many other awards would you have to go back and take away over the last 20 plus years.
Didn't the NFL strip someone of an award because of ped use, or am I making that up?
Quote from: hairyworthen on July 23, 2013, 07:17:31 PM
Kemp whined about when he lost out to begin with. Where do you draw the line. How many other awards would you have to go back and take away over the last 20 plus years.
I thought Kemp deserved it regardless, but I agree you can't go back and start stripping MVP's from ARod, Bonds, and Clemons CY Youngs.
Quote from: MU B2002 on July 23, 2013, 07:20:04 PM
Didn't the NFL strip someone of an award because of ped use, or am I making that up?
Houston linebacker rookie of the year can't remember if they actually did it
Quote from: hairyworthen on July 23, 2013, 07:21:51 PM
Houston linebacker rookie of the year can't remember if they actually did it
Brian Cushing. They re-voted and he won again.
Quote from: MU B2002 on July 23, 2013, 07:10:41 PM
http://m.espn.go.com/mlb/story?storyId=9503700
I agree with Matt.
If you think Kemp has never used PEDs, then I know a good deal on a bridge in NY.
Quote from: Groin_pull on July 23, 2013, 05:21:17 PM
AR's biggest crime is hitting "send." Twitter can be dangerous.
+1. A platform that encourages talking out of your ass anytime, anywhere...and a year and a half later people will dig it up and demand you answer for it. That's just trouble, man. My QB only has to answer for wearing another team's hat to the beach.
Quote from: Groin_pull on July 23, 2013, 05:21:17 PM
AR's biggest crime is hitting "send." Twitter can be dangerous.
Does AR owe the guy a year's salary?
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/packers-qb-rodgers-loses-twitter-bet-39-5m-salary-braun-clean-article-1.1406181
Quote from: chapman on July 23, 2013, 09:44:53 PM
+1. A platform that encourages talking out of your ass anytime, anywhere...and a year and a half later people will dig it up and demand you answer for it. That's just trouble, man. My QB only has to answer for wearing another team's hat to the beach.
This sketch at the ESPYs last week sums that up very well
"DON'T TWEET. Know that clever thing you are thinking in your mind? It's not clever"
http://www.youtube.com/v/jVkDLWJaftc
I hate Braun, but you can't take away his MVP award.
I do think it would help his public image if he said he was giving it to Kemp who truely deserved it.
If Rodgers owes that guy his salary, Braun owes the world his life.
Anything less than a lifetime ban is lenient. This is damaging to the game along the lines of Pete Rose, if not moreso because baseball is a game of hallowed numbers more than any other. Braun, like Bonds, Palmiero, McGwire, and Sosa before him are spitting on the actions and memories of all the men that came before them. They are spitting on the integrity of the game. Baseball won't ban him like they will A-Rod, but they should because that is the only true deterrent that will truly compel future players not to follow suit.
As they won't suspend him, what they should do is mandate that anyone with a positive test has their contract amended to pay them the league minimum. That way it doesn't penalize the team and also doesn't let the player get rewarded by having a contract voided but being able to sign with a new team for more money. Lifetime ban or league minimum. Of course, we'll see neither.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on July 25, 2013, 12:47:58 PM
I hate Braun, but you can't take away his MVP award.
I do think it would help his public image if he said he was giving it to Kemp who truely deserved it.
He should give it back, not necessarily give it to Kemp. It would help his image a small amount but it's still too little too late. He stood at a podium and vehemently denied an accusation that was 100% true. There's no coming back from that in the eye of your average baseball fan. Ask Rafael Palmeiro and his index finger.
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 25, 2013, 01:31:54 PM
As they won't suspend him, what they should do is mandate that anyone with a positive test has their contract amended to pay them the league minimum. That way it doesn't penalize the team and also doesn't let the player get rewarded by having a contract voided but being able to sign with a new team for more money. Lifetime ban or league minimum. Of course, we'll see neither.
Interesting idea. I actually think players should have to give back the money they earned, but instead of that I'd be in favor of the player's contract being voided and said player being forced to make no more than the league minimum as long as he's in MLB, lose his union membership and lose his pension.
If Braun retires after his contract run out, his suspension will have cost him 2.2% of his career earnings. What employee wouldn't want a 10-week vacation in exchange for 2.2% of their lifetime earnings? ;)
I give Rodgers kudos for addressing this today.
Hope he's clean or the crap's gonna ooze outta all his orifices, hey?
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 25, 2013, 01:31:54 PM
If Rodgers owes that guy his salary, Braun owes the world his life.
Anything less than a lifetime ban is lenient. This is damaging to the game along the lines of Pete Rose, if not moreso because baseball is a game of hallowed numbers more than any other. Braun, like Bonds, Palmiero, McGwire, and Sosa before him are spitting on the actions and memories of all the men that came before them. They are spitting on the integrity of the game. Baseball won't ban him like they will A-Rod, but they should because that is the only true deterrent that will truly compel future players not to follow suit.
As they won't suspend him, what they should do is mandate that anyone with a positive test has their contract amended to pay them the league minimum. That way it doesn't penalize the team and also doesn't let the player get rewarded by having a contract voided but being able to sign with a new team for more money. Lifetime ban or league minimum. Of course, we'll see neither.
Talk about overreaction. Half of professional baseball would be forever out of baseball if you had it your way. Unfortunately it's part of the game. The only difference between Braun and the large majority of the elite players in baseball (at least hitters) is that Braun got caught and lied about it. Should Braun have used PEDs? No. Am I proud of him for using them? No. Am I shocked? No. (In fact I would've been more surprised if he had never used PEDs at some point in his life than if he had. But I will say I was surprised at the timing of him testing positive.) Do I think he's one of a HUGE number of players in professional baseball who has, at some point, used PEDs? Absolutely. If you and everyone else here who are talking about banning players who use PEDs and making them repay all of their earnings think their favorite teams are free of PED use...well, I guess ignorance is bliss.
And give the MVP Award to Kemp and saying Kemp deserves it? I would bet my salary ;) that Kemp has used PEDs at some point in his life. No doubt in my mind. In fact, since the turn of the century the only MVP winners that I feel like MAY be clean would be Posey, Verlander, Pedroia, Rollins, and Ichiro. That's 5 awards out of 24 (obviously there were repeat winners in there). The other 19 I would be well beyond shocked if those players were clean.
Quote from: MUDish on July 26, 2013, 02:13:00 PM
I give Rodgers kudos for addressing this today.
I respect your football opinion more than anyone else on this forum (not saying much though, but I really do respect yours), but I'm not sure why Rodgers's tweet was a big deal at all. He stood up for a friend who used PEDs but obviously told him he didn't use them. If it was a murder case, rape case, something where somebody was seriously effected then I could understand where that may be better left alone. But an athlete using PEDs? I understand there are health risks, but this is an absolute non-story to me. If this is the worst thing Aaron Rodgers has done in his lifetime, we should put him up for Sainthood now.
Quote from: wadesworld on July 26, 2013, 03:45:08 PM
I respect your football opinion more than anyone else on this forum (not saying much though, but I really do respect yours), but I'm not sure why Rodgers's tweet was a big deal at all. He stood up for a friend who used PEDs but obviously told him he didn't use them. If it was a murder case, rape case, something where somebody was seriously effected then I could understand where that may be better left alone. But an athlete using PEDs? I understand there are health risks, but this is an absolute non-story to me. If this is the worst thing Aaron Rodgers has done in his lifetime, we should put him up for Sainthood now.
I didn't think it was a big deal for Rodgers' either, but a lot of people did. He did defend Braun to the highest extent possible. He said what needed to be said and handled it well. Rodgers' came out well.
Thanks Wadesworld, that was kind of you.
The thing that bugged me about Rodgers tweets were that they were out of character for Rodgers and just flat out dumb. And I love watching Rodgers play, for what it's worth, Jennings comments today annoyed me. If Jennings thought that stuff, he should have said it while in GB.
Anyway, Braun got off on a technicality the first time around. I'm all for having your buddy's back, all for it. It was the level to witch Rodgers took it made no sense. For a guy who doesn't take too many stances (nothing wrong with that at all, I don't blame him), it was out of character and over the top. It made no sense to me to support some one that strongly when he got off on a legal loophole.
100% agree Rodgers did nothing really wrong, clearly he didn't. I give him a lot of credit for his comments today, he could have backed away from it or hid behind "no comment".
Look forward to some 2013-14 football talk. Pay attention to camps and preseason games, they can tell you a lot about teams and individual players, even though those games might seem meaningless.
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 25, 2013, 01:31:54 PM
As they won't suspend him, what they should do is mandate that anyone with a positive test has their contract amended to pay them the league minimum. That way it doesn't penalize the team and also doesn't let the player get rewarded by having a contract voided but being able to sign with a new team for more money. Lifetime ban or league minimum. Of course, we'll see neither.
I'd go a different way. A player caught, for every win his team had that win is taken away. It becomes a forfeit. Some players are now advocating this as well. Love the idea. Now it brings it massive peer pressure from the teammates to police their own so that one ahole doesn't ruin it for the other 24 guys.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on July 26, 2013, 08:04:44 PM
I'd go a different way. A player caught, for every win his team had that win is taken away. It becomes a forfeit. Some players are now advocating this as well. Love the idea. Now it brings it massive peer pressure from the teammates to police their own so that one ahole doesn't ruin it for the other 24 guys.
Would you start with a clean slate in the 2014 season and say anyone caught from this point on...or would you go back since the "steroid era" began? Because if you're going back I suppose you can't prove every team has/had at least 1 (many) guy who has used a PED, you'd really have to just whipe out the last 15-20 seasons.
Quote from: wadesworld on July 26, 2013, 08:39:50 PM
Would you start with a clean slate in the 2014 season and say anyone caught from this point on...or would you go back since the "steroid era" began? Because if you're going back I suppose you can't prove every team has/had at least 1 (many) guy who has used a PED, you'd really have to just whipe out the last 15-20 seasons.
Yes, clean slate
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on July 26, 2013, 08:50:40 PM
Yes, clean slate
Gotcha. That'd be interesting. I'd be interested to know how often players get tested. I feel like if you do something like that or make players pay back their salaries, you can't do drug tests randomly. Even as it is I still don't think it should be "random."
Quote from: wadesworld on July 26, 2013, 09:08:18 PM
Gotcha. That'd be interesting. I'd be interested to know how often players get tested. I feel like if you do something like that or make players pay back their salaries, you can't do drug tests randomly. Even as it is I still don't think it should be "random."
Random or not, they are all juicing. To test positive for steroid use your testosterone to epitestosterone level has to be greater than 4:1 (normal is 1:1), this is due to natural variances (spikes). Almost all players are boosting their natural level from 1:1 to closer to 3:1 to provide minor gains...there are a variety of ways to achieve this without testing positive.
Further, athletes take test/epi mixtures to boost the overall testosterone levels while maintaining a 1:1 ratio, thereby avoiding a positive test, but still getting the gains. The way around this is to do isotope testing, which is not done in professional sports unless an initial test exceeds the 4:1 ratio. The reason the more expensive isotope test won't be put in place....people are cheating and who wants to see baseball without the homeruns.
Getting all up in arms over Braun is ridiculous, as he is doing what everyone else is doing to be able to make it to the league. He didn't even get caught, and never admitted to doping. He just said mistakes were made and his lawyers advised him to just take the suspension. Still not an admittance of guilt. Is he doping...yes they all are.
Quote from: forgetful on July 26, 2013, 10:10:28 PM
Random or not, they are all juicing. To test positive for steroid use your testosterone to epitestosterone level has to be greater than 4:1 (normal is 1:1), this is due to natural variances (spikes). Almost all players are boosting their natural level from 1:1 to closer to 3:1 to provide minor gains...there are a variety of ways to achieve this without testing positive.
Further, athletes take test/epi mixtures to boost the overall testosterone levels while maintaining a 1:1 ratio, thereby avoiding a positive test, but still getting the gains. The way around this is to do isotope testing, which is not done in professional sports unless an initial test exceeds the 4:1 ratio. The reason the more expensive isotope test won't be put in place....people are cheating and who wants to see baseball without the homeruns.
Getting all up in arms over Braun is ridiculous, as he is doing what everyone else is doing to be able to make it to the league. He didn't even get caught, and never admitted to doping. He just said mistakes were made and his lawyers advised him to just take the suspension. Still not an admittance of guilt. Is he doping...yes they all are.
No, not all of them are. There are literally guys that won't take a thing...not amino acids, nothing. There are certainly guys like you mention, but you are painting way too broad a brush.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/jack-clark-accuses-albert-pujols-justin-verlander-ped-171518294.html
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on August 09, 2013, 01:46:44 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/jack-clark-accuses-albert-pujols-justin-verlander-ped-171518294.html
I recall hearing "I would bet my life on it" coming up in another denial of PED use in the MLB...