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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: Coleman on June 11, 2013, 08:49:56 AM
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Dumba$$
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So stupid.
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He's a goof but that judge is wound a little tight.
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I just love the guard
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He's a goof but that judge is wound a little tight.
It's doubtful he stays in jail for the full 30 days. More likely that the judge will release him in under a week and hope he learned his lesson - wear a suit, act contrite and don't screw around.
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Mark Grace just got out of one of Sheriff Joe's tent cities in AZ for a DUI conviction.
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He's a goof but that judge is wound a little tight.
No, that judge is 100% correct. You're in a courtroom....show some respect and act like an adult. I know 99.9% of pro jocks believe the world revolves around them...but that ain't the case this time.
Enjoy your 30 days, dumb shi*.
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Got probation for headbutting a woman and was in court for failing to meet his PO.
Pats his lawyer on the ass and that gets him 30 days.
Butt pat > Headbutt woman
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Got probation for headbutting a woman and was in court for failing to meet his PO.
Pats his lawyer on the ass and that gets him 30 days.
Butt pat > Headbutt woman
Your logic is quite the stretch... I would be interested in hearing what the 'woman' had to say (or didn't say) during his trial before I jump to any conclusions on the original sentence.
Though just like the NFL, even though the judge erred on the original call, at least she got it right upon review. Too bad for Ocho that he was the one who threw the red flag.
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No, that judge is 100% correct. You're in a courtroom....show some respect and act like an adult. I know 99.9% of pro jocks believe the world revolves around them...but that ain't the case this time.
Enjoy your 30 days, dumb shi*.
I am no lawyer, but aren't judges suppose to use the law to inform sentencing? It sounds like she did, then CJ did something dumb, and disrespectful, and that changed her mind, not what he actually plead too. So in actuality, he got 30 days in jail for being an idiot, not for pleading to assault. That ain't right in my book. He apologized, and if you listen fully, I think he truly was sorry and didn't smack his lawyer to show up the judge or anything. Again, I am not in his head, or in hers.
Read some folks are trying to compare him this to this girl, http://gawker.com/5981834/teen-sentenced-to-30-days-in-jail-after-flipping-off-judge-during-bond-hearing Flipping off a judge, cursing, completely aloof, not sorry...think they are completely different.
CJ is still an idiot, and should be given a sentence for what he did and/or pled too, not for a moment of infancy/idiocy with his lawyer.
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I am no lawyer, but aren't judges suppose to use the law to inform sentencing? It sounds like she did, then CJ did something dumb, and disrespectful, and that changed her mind, not what he actually plead too. So in actuality, he got 30 days in jail for being an idiot, not for pleading to assault. That ain't right in my book. He apologized, and if you listen fully, I think he truly was sorry and didn't smack his lawyer to show up the judge or anything. Again, I am not in his head, or in hers.
Read some folks are trying to compare him this to this girl, http://gawker.com/5981834/teen-sentenced-to-30-days-in-jail-after-flipping-off-judge-during-bond-hearing Flipping off a judge, cursing, completely aloof, not sorry...think they are completely different.
CJ is still an idiot, and should be given a sentence for what he did and/or pled too, not for a moment of infancy/idiocy with his lawyer.
I think she would be able to give him time for being in contempt of court if she had to justify it. Sometimes you have to know when to just stand there and do as your told and this is apparently one of those times.
Doubt he will serve much of the sentence though.
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I am no lawyer, but aren't judges suppose to use the law to inform sentencing? It sounds like she did, then CJ did something dumb, and disrespectful, and that changed her mind, not what he actually plead too. So in actuality, he got 30 days in jail for being an idiot, not for pleading to assault. That ain't right in my book. He apologized, and if you listen fully, I think he truly was sorry and didn't smack his lawyer to show up the judge or anything. Again, I am not in his head, or in hers.
Read some folks are trying to compare him this to this girl, http://gawker.com/5981834/teen-sentenced-to-30-days-in-jail-after-flipping-off-judge-during-bond-hearing Flipping off a judge, cursing, completely aloof, not sorry...think they are completely different.
CJ is still an idiot, and should be given a sentence for what he did and/or pled too, not for a moment of infancy/idiocy with his lawyer.
I'm tired of people thinking a quick apology wipes the slate clean. Too bad. It's about time more people started paying the price for their stupid actions. An apology doesn't automatically make everything right. Now that moron has 30 days to think about it. Bet he doesn't do it again.
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I really dont see the problem with the butt tap. I just dont. If she was sending him to jail for the plea fine, but I dont think the butt tap was rude.
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I really dont see the problem with the butt tap. I just dont. If she was sending him to jail for the plea fine, but I dont think the butt tap was rude.
Sadly, you're not alone. I must be a dinosaur. I strongly feel that idiotic behavior has no business in a courtroom.
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I'm tired of people thinking a quick apology wipes the slate clean. Too bad. It's about time more people started paying the price for their stupid actions. An apology doesn't automatically make everything right. Now that moron has 30 days to think about it. Bet he doesn't do it again.
I don't know that we need to use 30 days of tax payer money to prove that point.
Couldn't she just fine him? Or give him 2 nights in jail?
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I don't know that we need to use 30 days of tax payer money to prove that point.
Couldn't she just fine him? Or give him 2 nights in jail?
I agree. Idiotic behavior by Ochocinco, even more idiotic behavior by the judge.
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I agree. Idiotic behavior by Ochocinco, even more idiotic behavior by the judge.
100% correct. A little power is a terrible thing.
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My guess is the judge wanted her 15 minutes of fame, perhaps a re-election is in her near future and she thought this would resonate with her constituents
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I'm 30, I agree with groin pull though. And I don't have a problem with "using taxpayer money" to pay for his 30 days in jail. Look at how much coverage this has gotten. You think anyone else is gonna slap their lawyer on the ass in a courtroom?
P.S. not to get political, but I would not ascribe myself as someone who is normally ok with with using taxpayer money, however, i think the benefit of informing a populous of reasonable, professional behavior makes sense here.
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I'm 30, I agree with groin pull though. And I don't have a problem with "using taxpayer money" to pay for his 30 days in jail. Look at how much coverage this has gotten. You think anyone else is gonna slap their lawyer on the ass in a courtroom?
P.S. not to get political, but I would not ascribe myself as someone who is normally ok with with using taxpayer money, however, i think the benefit of informing a populous of reasonable, professional behavior makes sense here.
I'm not a lawyer, and I've spent ZERO time in a courtroom.
So, honest question:
Are courtroom antics so out of control that they need to make an example out of chad johnson to prevent future issues with other defendants?
If it's really a problem, then I guess I'm cool with the additional cost of housing CJ, and/or the additional plea bargain.
If it's not a big problem, then again, I'll say that this is a waste of resources.
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Not a lawyer either, and my honest answer is just a little sick of the way people behave in general. I think its a slippery slope and the judge had a line and Ochocinco crossed it, good for her for standing up for her own standards.
If it's me, I would be pretty embarassed about the original action that lead to me being in court and acting contrite, not slapping my lawyer on the ass.
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Tax dollars going to pay for the incarceration of a client patting his attorney on the butt? Insane. Lighten up, Frances. I wonder if any real criminals were let out early to make space for this miscreant butt-patter.
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I really dont see the problem with the butt tap. I just dont. If she was sending him to jail for the plea fine, but I dont think the butt tap was rude.
There's a time and place for everything and this wasn't it.
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Tax dollars going to pay for the incarceration of a client patting his attorney on the butt? Insane. Lighten up, Frances. I wonder if any real criminals were let out early to make space for this miscreant butt-patter.
He went to jail for headbutting a woman. It is up to the judge to accept the plea or not as is my understanding. If someone treated your job as a joke, I doubt you would have a level of acceptance to give them a break when the time came. Also the judge apparently said it wasn't the first time he took the proceedings less than seriously.
Really for me its just stupidity. The judge asked him if he thought his lawyer had done a good job representing him and he responds by slapping the guys ass? You reap what you sew.
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Tax dollars going to pay for the incarceration of a client patting his attorney on the butt? Insane. Lighten up, Frances. I wonder if any real criminals were let out early to make space for this miscreant butt-patter.
The incarceration was for domestic violence, battery, or something along those lines... not for patting his attorney on the butt. Judges and juries are allowed to consider something called "remorse" when determining a sentence. Not taking court proceedings seriously is a good example of the opposite.
I'm not a lawyer, but having interned for a litigator (in addition to being married to one), I've observed more than my share of the court on various matters from traffic matters to contract disputes to environmental violations to divorce to aggravated manslaughter... most judges (and lawyers) take the courtroom setting extremely seriously; a client would serve him/herself well to emulate the demeanor of his/her attorney, though many do quite the opposite (the benefit of doubt is rarely given to such individuals).
The MKE Co courthouse is a few blocks from campus... it would do many a student good to just go and sit in the gallery during a morning call sometime.
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He went to jail for headbutting a woman. It is up to the judge to accept the plea or not as is my understanding. If someone treated your job as a joke, I doubt you would have a level of acceptance to give them a break when the time came. Also the judge apparently said it wasn't the first time he took the proceedings less than seriously.
Really for me its just stupidity. The judge asked him if he thought his lawyer had done a good job representing him and he responds by slapping the guys ass? You reap what you sew.
They were on the verge of plea bargain, CJ slaps his attorney in the butt, so now he's in jail. He's in jail because he slapped his attorney in the butt.
Now, CJ is an idiot, and it was a stupid move. He deserves to be punished. He should reap what he sews.
But, I don't think we need to waste thousands of tax dollars and resources on this.
Fine him. Put him in jail for 1 night. But, don't waste so much money/time on it.
In life, it's best to work from big to small. This is small. Don't waste a lot of time and money on it.
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having interned for a litigator (in addition to being married to one)
You are a brave man, Ben. Do not make your bride angry.
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They were on the verge of plea bargain, CJ slaps his attorney in the butt, so now he's in jail. He's in jail because he slapped his attorney in the butt.
Now, CJ is an idiot, and it was a stupid move. He deserves to be punished. He should reap what he sews.
But, I don't think we need to waste thousands of tax dollars and resources on this.
Fine him. Put him in jail for 1 night. But, don't waste so much money/time on it.
In life, it's best to work from big to small. This is small. Don't waste a lot of time and money on it.
The cost shouldn’t enter into it at all. Judges should consider sentencing based on what is deserved for each individual case, not based on how much money it is going to cost. Do you really want judges to look at cost to determine how criminals are sentenced? Ridiculous notion.
CJ broke probation on a domestic violence charge; plea bargains a deal, and then in front of a woman judge, slaps his lawyer in the ass as if to say, the boys just got over on the court system. You don’t see anything wrong with that? He deserves every bit of the 30 days.
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You are a brave man, Ben. Do not make your bride angry.
Needless to say, the internship did more to prepare me for my marriage than my career.
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The cost shouldn’t enter into it at all. Judges should consider sentencing based on what is deserved for each individual case, not based on how much money it is going to cost. Do you really want judges to look at cost to determine how criminals are sentenced? Ridiculous notion.
CJ broke probation on a domestic violence charge; plea bargains a deal, and then in front of a woman judge, slaps his lawyer in the ass as if to say, the boys just got over on the court system. You don’t see anything wrong with that? He deserves every bit of the 30 days.
In a vacuum, I agree with you. Also, if this was the supreme court, I would agree with you.
But, it isn't.
Obviously I don't want a judge up their with a calculator, but I also don't want the rulings from the bench to be completely immune to the ramifications of their judgements.
I guess for me, I don't think 30 days was needed to prove a point. 1 day. 2 days. Whatever. 30 just seems wasteful.
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In a vacuum, I agree with you. Also, if this was the supreme court, I would agree with you.
But, it isn't.
Obviously I don't want a judge up their with a calculator, but I also don't want the rulings from the bench to be completely immune to the ramifications of their judgements.
I guess for me, I don't think 30 days was needed to prove a point. 1 day. 2 days. Whatever. 30 just seems wasteful.
It's highly unlikely that he'll spend more than a couple of days in jail.
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I really dont see the problem with the butt tap. I just dont. If she was sending him to jail for the plea fine, but I dont think the butt tap was rude.
Agree, but there's a time for everything. He chose the wrong time for smiles.
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It's highly unlikely that he'll spend more than a couple of days in jail.
yea, and how much wasted time is there in the paperwork/plea that goes into that?
The whole exercise just seems wasteful.
Now, if they can figure out a way to make Chad PAY FOR IT, then I'm cool with whatever punishment they give.
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Keefe slapped Ruth Bader Ginsburg on the rum once. She liked it.
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Keefe slapped Ruth Bader Ginsburg on the rum once. She liked it.
Ruthie...giving in to the moment...lost in the throes of ecstasy...waves of pleasure engulfing her and laying bare her very soul...God help her but she is just a woman, after all...
(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/648963/thumbs/s-RUTH-BADER-GINSBURG-large.jpg)
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The MKE Co courthouse is a few blocks from campus... it would do many a student good to just go and sit in the gallery during a morning call sometime.
Heck, a few of my crew were not on the spectator side of the bar.
I also have fond memories of attending the Lawrencia Bembenek trial rather than class, for more than a few days. Seats were hard to score.
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The plea bargain had already been worked out. The judge was grandstanding.
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The plea bargain had already been worked out. The judge was grandstanding.
I get the feeling that judges feel they are the law instead of representing the law.
The judge was just saying how he owed it to the lawyer for keeping him out of jail....twice.
So 85 is happy to get out of jail and gives him lawyer a slap on the butt because of what the judge just said. The judge is just pissed the court is going to make the news and let that effect the verdict.
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I get the feeling that judges feel they are the law instead of representing the law.
The judge was just saying how he owed it to the lawyer for keeping him out of jail....twice.
So 85 is happy to get out of jail and gives him lawyer a slap on the butt because of what the judge just said. The judge is just pissed the court is going to make the news and let that effect the verdict.
No the judge wants to have proper decorum in her courtroom.
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Huge overreaction. No reason to sentence him to 30 days for that.
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No the judge wants to have proper decorum in her courtroom.
Which is why we feel it has nothing to do with the trial, but rather her pride. The trial was basically over and everything was agreed to at that point. There are other ways to deal with his actions like contempt of court, etc. I thought it was ridiculous that little action was the tipping point in the judge's mind for jail time when she had more severe actions leading up to it.
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Which is why we feel it has nothing to do with the trial, but rather her pride.
Or respect for her workplace.
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Or respect for her workplace.
How did Her Honor discipline the bailiff who broke into laughter at Johnson's breach of etiquette? In fact, the bailiff's role is precisely to maintain good order and discipline in the courtroom. That guy was leading the guffaws. Certainly he was held accountable.
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How did Her Honor discipline the bailiff who broke into laughter at Johnson's breach of etiquette? In fact, the bailiff's role is precisely to maintain good order and discipline in the courtroom. That guy was leading the guffaws. Certainly he was held accountable.
He was probably taken to the judge's chambers for a scolding.
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now being reported on ESPN
FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. -- Former NFL star Chad Johnson is being released immediately from jail after apologizing to a judge for lack of respect when he slapped his attorney on the backside in court last week.
Broward County Circuit Judge Kathleen McHugh accepted Johnson's apology Monday and reduced his jail term from 30 days to seven days. Attorney Adam Swickle said the rear-end slap was just a football player's way of saying thanks.
The 35-year-old formerly known as Chad Ochocinco was in court because of a probation violation stemming from a domestic altercation he had with his then-wife, TV reality star Evelyn Lozada.
Johnson was cut by the Miami Dolphins after that. He played most of his 11 NFL seasons with the Cincinnati Bengals and a year with the New England Patriots.
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Or respect for her workplace.
That was a stretch excuse when it happened and looks even more laughable now that the judge has decreed Johnson's early release.
Pure and simple, it was an ego stroke.
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That was a stretch excuse when it happened and looks even more laughable now that the judge has decreed Johnson's early release.
Pure and simple, it was an ego stroke.
It was obvious all along that Johnson wasn't going to spend anywhere close to 30 days in jail.
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It was obvious all along that Johnson wasn't going to spend anywhere close to 30 days in jail.
Exactly. Which again shows the judge at her low self-esteem worst.