I wore my final four shirt to work today and it got me in the mood to watch this. With it being the offseason and coming off of an elite eight I wanted to remember the great final four run.
I know it's been posted and reposted here many of times, but this is one of my favorite things to watch.
MU v KY 2003 http://vault.ncaa.com/?game=306SR053_s01&timecode=00%3A00%3A03%3A77
Close your eyes TC haters, because he gets a lot of tv time.
Wonderful!! For once something worth while on this Board!!
"Send it in medium sized fella" @ the 9 min mark
It did not look good early. Seemed like they were just barely hanging out and Kentucky would pull away. Funny as to how I have no recollection of the early struggle.
started out this game getting killed on the glass
Thanks for posting this game again.
As much as I dislike I4, having Gen. Hal Moore address the team (troops) was an awesome idea.
I think I saw Otule play the last :46
*Nitpick police*
3 Final Fours is a pretty good accomplishment...yet Vern as the clock was running out said MU was going to the Final Four "for only the 3rd time ever".
Lots of programs would love to have that problem!
just watched this entire game again and the amount of charges Marquette took at important points during the game were huge, they took like 6 charges
I thought this was the Octomom porno that PTM has been trying to download.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on June 09, 2013, 06:16:42 PM
I thought this was the Octomom porno that PTM has been trying to download.
No way!
That would have been moved to The Superbar.
This site is pretty awesome. As incredible as it is to go back and watch how effortless Wade made the game look (I miss watching him when he played like this, dunking on everyone and anyone, just getting to the rim at will), it is insane to search Davidson and watch the highlights of Curry that they have listed under the video of the entire game. It's like a video game.
"Both of these guys have shoveled snow to shoot in the back yard".
Yes!
Quote from: MU72491 on June 09, 2013, 04:51:45 PM
just watched this entire game again and the amount of charges Marquette took at important points during the game were huge, they took like 6 charges
Definitely. I didn't remember it getting tighter in the 2nd half like that, and that charge call (which, frankly, looked pretty questionable to me) when UK could have cut it to 9 was absolutely huge.
Quote from: esard2011 on June 09, 2013, 12:52:01 PM
It did not look good early. Seemed like they were just barely hanging out and Kentucky would pull away. Funny as to how I have no recollection of the early struggle.
Quote from: TSmith34 on June 10, 2013, 11:43:14 AM
Definitely. I didn't remember it getting tighter in the 2nd half like that, and that charge call (which, frankly, looked pretty questionable to me) when UK could have cut it to 9 was absolutely huge.
Agreed that most of the game was a lot tighter than the final score indicates. I remember grabbing a slice of pizza at halftime and not thinking or talking about the game at all... no expectations, no anticipation, not even a "wildest dream" moment. Heck, if there wasn't a scoreboard right in front of us, I would have never guessed that MU was so comfortably in the lead after Wade's dunk just before the under-4.
The most entertaining part of the entire video - obviously knowing the outcome already - was listening to the raw feed during the commercial break with about 2:10 remaining in the game where Raferty was talking on the headphones with his producer about the graphic...
"What's the margin here, 18...I don't want to go out on a limb though, Mike...huh, why would we say that I mean, with 2:10 to go in this thing... uh, yeah, I know, but we should be current with it... nyuh, makes it look like the graphic was made up last night."
[Graphic reads: "All 4 Number 1 Seeds Remain"]
Starts about 1:09:45 in the video.
Shortly after the 1:09 mark when there's a timeout, Verne and Raft are still mic'd up and talking unedited and it's just awesome. Highly recommend that part.
I'm so glad the players won that game before the coaches could lose the next one.
Thanks for sharing link, most important basketball accomplishment in the last 30 years at MU.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 10, 2013, 07:01:29 PM
I'm so glad the players won that game before the coaches could lose the next one.
Thanks for sharing link, most important basketball accomplishment in the last 30 years at MU.
Chico
This isn't the link to the announcement of the Buzz Williams' hire as Head Coach...
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 10, 2013, 07:01:29 PM
I'm so glad the players won that game before the coaches could lose the next one.
It's emotionally, psychologically, pathologically impossible for you to leave it be, isn't it?
Quote from: TSmith34 on June 10, 2013, 09:19:18 PM
It's emotionally, psychologically, pathologically impossible for you to leave it be, isn't it?
The obsession Chicos has with Tom Crean is incredibly odd. He thinks it's odd that people can't get over a guy who left 5 years ago and can't get over how we can't let the guy go, yet Chicos brings him up even more at every chance he gets. There were very few references to Tom Crean in here, and no knocking on Crean in here whatsoever, yet here Chicos is to bring it up. If you want us to let it go, you might have to do the same too.
Quote from: MU72491 on June 09, 2013, 04:51:45 PM
just watched this entire game again and the amount of charges Marquette took at important points during the game were huge, they took like 6 charges
The steve novak flop was by the far the biggest call in the game. Instead of only being up 9. We maintain a double digit lead and go on a 5-0 run or something like that
Quote from: seakm4 on June 09, 2013, 02:32:07 AM
Close your eyes TC haters, because he gets a lot of tv time.
Thanks - brought back great memories. Sure looks like TC hasn't pushed back from the training table in awhile these days!
Quote from: wadesworld on June 10, 2013, 09:53:06 PM
The obsession Chicos has with Tom Crean is incredibly odd. He thinks it's odd that people can't get over a guy who left 5 years ago and can't get over how we can't let the guy go, yet Chicos brings him up even more at every chance he gets. There were very few references to Tom Crean in here, and no knocking on Crean in here whatsoever, yet here Chicos is to bring it up. If you want us to let it go, you might have to do the same too.
I'm thrilled someone posted the link to the game. There are about 20 guys here that to this day don't believe this game ever happened....it's been erased from their memory. I was just beating them to their same old tired diatribe how we lost in the Final Four...forget the 4 wins to get there, it's all about losing in the Final Four.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 17, 2013, 10:51:25 PM
I'm thrilled someone posted the link to the game. There are about 20 guys here that to this day don't believe this game ever happened....it's been erased from their memory. I was just beating them to their same old tired diatribe how we lost in the Final Four...forget the 4 wins to get there, it's all about losing in the Final Four.
+1
It's also hard to explain to younger fans and others that weren't following MU or CBB closely in 2003 how significant and shocking that win was. It wasn't even the fact that we beat the perceived best team in the nation, but how we beat that team on that big of a stage. Great game plan from Crean and an amazing effort from Wade. Wade was the best player on the court by a very significant margin.
Bottom line, that was a program changing win. I love re-living the memory.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 17, 2013, 10:51:25 PM
I'm thrilled someone posted the link to the game. There are about 20 guys here that to this day don't believe this game ever happened....it's been erased from their memory. I was just beating them to their same old tired diatribe how we lost in the Final Four...forget the 4 wins to get there, it's all about losing in the Final Four.
The Wehrmacht overran continental Europe but 1945 ended rather differently.
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Quote from: MUSF on June 17, 2013, 11:18:26 PM
+1
It's also hard to explain to younger fans and others that weren't following MU or CBB closely in 2003 how significant and shocking that win was. It wasn't even the fact that we beat the perceived best team in the nation, but how we beat that team on that big of a stage. Great game plan from Crean and an amazing effort from Wade. Wade was the best player on the court by a very significant margin.
Bottom line, that was a program changing win. I love re-living the memory.
Absolutely. Major event and impact to program, biggest in last 30 years bar none.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 18, 2013, 01:17:17 PM
Absolutely. Major event and impact to program, biggest in last 30 years bar none.
Right. Any game that could catapult the program to consecutive NITs and one NCAA tournament game victory over the next five years has to rank as one of the most impactful in Marquette history. An earthquake without an aftershock, right up there with George Mason's elite 8 win over UCONN.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 18, 2013, 02:05:20 PM
An earthquake without an aftershock
Very well put. The after shock was 5 years later with The Bronzed Beast's Betrayal. It wasn't that he was leaving - we all knew he wanted out given his shameless posturing and self-promotion for every job out there. Rather, it was the gutless manner in which he slunk out of town without any of the usual courtesies to employer, staff, or pupils. If there was any doubt about his lack of character his craven behavior while departing erased all doubt.
Quote from: MUSF on June 17, 2013, 11:18:26 PM
It's also hard to explain to younger fans and others that weren't following MU or CBB closely in 2003 how significant and shocking that win was. It wasn't even the fact that we beat the perceived best team in the nation, but how we beat that team on that big of a stage. Great game plan from Crean and an amazing effort from Wade. Wade was the best player on the court by a very significant margin.
Bottom line, that was a program changing win. I love re-living the memory.
I recall thinking at the time -- and discussing with other cbb fans -- that the Kansas/Arizona elite eight game the night before ours should have been the national championship game that tourney. Arizona was tough at the end of the season.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 18, 2013, 02:05:20 PM
Right. Any game that could catapult the program to consecutive NITs and one NCAA tournament game victory over the next five years has to rank as one of the most impactful in Marquette history. An earthquake without an aftershock, right up there with George Mason's elite 8 win over UCONN.
I'm sure that final four had no impact on our move to the Big East or future recruiting success.
For all the recent Larry W. fear mongering about MU becoming SLU, we may actually have been in their position without that final four.
Quote from: MUSF on June 18, 2013, 03:39:08 PM
I'm sure that final four had no impact on our move to the Big East or future recruiting success.
For all the recent Larry W. fear mongering about MU becoming SLU, we may actually have been in their position without that final four.
Especially when Tranghese flat out said it did impact it. Lenny, Keefe and Box of whatever live in a different world. TO this day some of them I have yet to see ever acknowledge that we beat the #1 team in the country and got to the Final Four...it's truly amazing. I also love the tired song about how it was leveraged into two NIT seasons....as if this is the first time that has happened. Not only did it happen before, but to many great teams with great coaches like Bob Knight, just one example. But facts don't seem to matter much. These are the same people when we get blown out in the Final Four to the eventual national runner-up, it's the end of the world. But if the same school is blown out by a team you know like the back of your hand, play them every year and that team doesn't even get to the championship game, it's a non-issue.
"The only vice that cannot be forgiven is hypocrisy. The repentance of a hypocrite is itself hypocrisy."
William Hazlitt
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 18, 2013, 03:55:30 PM
"The only vice that cannot be forgiven is hypocrisy. The repentance of a hypocrite is itself hypocrisy."
William Hazlitt
"The truest characters of ignorance are vanity and pride and arrogance."
Samuel Butler
Quote from: barfolomew on June 18, 2013, 02:38:35 PM
I recall thinking at the time -- and discussing with other cbb fans -- that the Kansas/Arizona elite eight game the night before ours should have been the national championship game that tourney. Arizona was tough at the end of the season.
...and then Syracuse went and won it all.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 18, 2013, 02:05:20 PM
An earthquake without an aftershock, right up there with George Mason's elite 8 win over UCONN.
Not that I care much about this argument, but the mere fact that you remember an otherwise un-reknowned university based on their final four appearance from seven years ago kind of proves their point.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 18, 2013, 04:24:51 PM
...and then Syracuse went and won it all.
True, but then again I have no memory of any events after the MU loss, except listening to zydeco in a Bourbon Street bar trying to be consoled by some overly-patronizing Kansas fans...
Quote from: barfolomew on June 18, 2013, 04:29:57 PM
Not that I care much about this argument, but the mere fact that you remember an otherwise un-reknowned university based on their final four appearance from seven years ago kind of proves their point.
That's too obtuse. We also remember Rosie Ruiz, Joe Charboneau, Bobo Holloman, and Buster Douglas. Fame and glory are two very different realms.
Quote from: barfolomew on June 18, 2013, 04:29:57 PM
Not that I care much about this argument, but the mere fact that you remember an otherwise un-reknowned university based on their final four appearance from seven years ago kind of proves their point.
First of all, the final four appearance was 10 years ago. Secondly, I recall pretty much chapter and verse the last 47 basketball seasons of that university you consider unrenowned. So your wrong and more wrong.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 18, 2013, 04:52:59 PM
First of all, the final four appearance was 10 years ago. Secondly, I recall pretty much chapter and verse the last 47 basketball seasons of that university you consider unrenowned. So your wrong and more wrong.
Lenny, I think he is referring to the Mighty Patriots of Geo. Mason.
Quote from: keefe on June 18, 2013, 04:49:10 PM
That's too obtuse. We also remember Rosie Ruiz, Joe Charboneau, Bobo Holloman, and Buster Douglas. Fame and glory are two very different realms.
Yes, I definitely don't care much about this argument, because I thought we were talking about neither fame nor glory, only national exposure.
And yes, I meant GMU -- my apologies for either obfuscation or obtuseness.
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Nice try. In 29 years at Indiana Knight NEVER had back to back NITs. Here's the Knight at IU vs Crean at MU:
Sweet 16s: Knight 13 Crean 1
Elite 8s: Knight 8 Crean 1
Final Fours:Knight 5. Crean 1
Final Game:Knight3 Crean 0
NCAA Titles:Knight 3. Crean 0
Crean had one (1) season at MU in which he got past the round of 32. Knight had thirteen (13) at IU. You might as well compare Bob Dukiet to Al McGuire.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 18, 2013, 03:55:30 PM
Lenny, Keefe and Box of whatever live in a different world. TO this day some of them I have yet to see ever acknowledge that we beat the #1 team in the country and got to the Final Four...it's truly amazing.
Sorry, but I LOVED the win over Kentucky. Great moment in Marquette basketball history. Props to TC and the players. I don't even put an asterisk next to the win noting that UK's best player was limping on a sprained ankle. It was one magic moment in one magical season. My problem is that it was an extreme outlier in a Marquette coaching career that otherwise looked pretty similar to Mike Deane's.
Quote from: barfolomew on June 18, 2013, 05:10:23 PM
Yes, I definitely don't care much about this argument, because I thought we were talking about neither fame nor glory, only national exposure.
And yes, I meant GMU -- my apologies for either obfuscation or obtuseness.
Sorry, barf, my mistake.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 18, 2013, 05:38:52 PM
My problem is that it was an extreme outlier in a Marquette coaching career that otherwise looked pretty similar to Mike Deane's.
My problem is that this is just not true.
Deane and Crean's careers are only similar if you look at their overall records and post season records without considering the context or any other measures of success. There is a reason that Deane went to Wagner when he left MU and Crean went to Indiana. Program was headed in different directions when each of them left MU. Only the revisionist historians here at MUScoop can argue otherwise.
Quote from: MUSF on June 18, 2013, 06:16:51 PM
My problem is that this is just not true.
Deane and Crean's careers are only similar if you look at their overall records and post season records without considering the context or any other measures of success. There is a reason that Deane went to Wagner when he left MU and Crean went to Indiana. Program was headed in different directions when each of them left MU. Only the revisionist historians here at MUScoop can argue otherwise.
No, it's very true. He did say 'extreme outlier'. Without that 'extreme outlier', Crean isn't going to IU.
Quote from: PTM on June 18, 2013, 07:13:11 PM
No, it's very true. He did say 'extreme outlier'. Without that 'extreme outlier', Crean isn't going to IU.
Maybe, but he also isn't going to Wagner. Not with the program on an upswing and the three amigos doing their thing.
Of course, some will probably counter that without that extreme outlier Crean wouldn't have the three amigos and the program wouldn't be in an upswing. That is why this entire argument is dumb.
Without that one sweet sixteen season, O'Neill's career is pretty much like Dukiet's...
Quote from: MUSF on June 18, 2013, 08:16:09 PM
Maybe, but he also isn't going to Wagner. Not with the program on an upswing and the three amigos doing their thing.
Of course, some will probably counter that without that extreme outlier Crean wouldn't have the three amigos and the program wouldn't be in an upswing. That is why this entire argument is dumb.
Without that one sweet sixteen season, Deane's career is pretty much like Dukiet's...
Well, it is if the measurement is Sweet Sixteens as neither Dukiet nor Deane breathed that rarified air.
Quote from: keefe on June 18, 2013, 08:36:04 PM
Well, it is if the measurement is Sweet Sixteens as neither Dukiet nor Deane breathed that rarified air.
Meant to say O'Neill. Either way you get the point.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 18, 2013, 04:52:59 PM
First of all, the final four appearance was 10 years ago. Secondly, I recall pretty much chapter and verse the last 47 basketball seasons of that university you consider unrenowned. So your wrong and more wrong.
But most people don't, but remember us because of the Final Four, or older folks because of Al. How many people in this country knew what Butler was 5 years ago? Not many.. George Mason in the last decade. Boise State in football? There are pinnacle moments that go beyond what sports fanatics know, but get into the everyday world of the non-fan. For MU, biggest moment in last 30 years is Final Four and DWade. Is what it is.
Quote from: keefe on June 18, 2013, 08:36:04 PM
Well, it is if the measurement is Sweet Sixteens as neither Dukiet nor Deane breathed that rarified air.
For 95% of the country, they have no idea who made the Sweet 16's, let alone from a few years ago. ZERO IDEA.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 18, 2013, 11:40:10 PM
For 95% of the country, they have no idea who made the Sweet 16's, let alone from a few years ago. ZERO IDEA.
Speaking of obtuse...applying your logic it could also be argued that 99.999% of the American population have never heard of Scoop and could not name the Men's head basketball coach at Indiana University.
Quote from: keefe on June 19, 2013, 12:26:31 AMziz
Speaking of obtuse...applying your logic it could also be argued that 99.999% of the American population have never heard of Scoop and could not name the Men's head basketball coach at Indiana University.
I moved out of state 5 months ago and half of the people who knew I was a die hard MU fan thought I was a Yooper.
This was an amazing moment in our program that propelled us out of the conference USA onto a national stage.
This game was/is my favorite MU game I've ever attended (a close 2nd was when wade layed out and stole the ball from josh howard while he was trying to roll the ball down court to save time when WF came here (we were 15/16 respectively in both polls)
We witnessed greatness and a player we will never see come through our doors in a long time (if ever) put together a legendary performance
But yes most of the sports world has never heard of scoop. I just wanted to post an amazing win ifor our program to bring back great memories in our history. It sucks it got sullied by TC and our new "A10" status. It was not my intention.
Probably not good for my productivity at work this morning. I'm minimizing the window / working during the KY possessions and watching MU on offense.
Whatever, it's only an hour-twenty and I'm close to halftime already.
Quote from: Marquette Gyros on June 19, 2013, 07:54:27 AM
Probably not good for my productivity at work this morning. I'm minimizing the window / working during the KY possessions and watching MU on offense.
Whatever, it's only an hour-twenty and I'm close to halftime already.
That lamb takes a while to roast so you should be able to watch the second half, no?
Quote from: keefe on June 19, 2013, 09:00:41 PM
That lamb takes a while to roast so you should be able to watch the second half, no?
Nah, the lil dude is too busy making out with his GF on the order counter.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on June 19, 2013, 09:28:25 PM
Nah, the lil dude is too busy making out with his GF on the order counter.
Not always easy to post while flipping burgers and guzzling Corona.
http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/bars/marquette_gyros
Quote from: Marquette Gyros on June 20, 2013, 02:45:17 PM
Not always easy to post while flipping burgers and guzzling Corona.
http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/bars/marquette_gyros
Abu's Falafel Palace is now serving burgers?