Latest two-round mock draft from NBADraft.net is out. FWIW, no Vander.
http://www.nbadraft.net/2013mock_draft (http://www.nbadraft.net/2013mock_draft)
Mbakwe! TC is just churning out NBAers. Just wait to Otule goes next year, the TC big man pipeline will crank on!
/worst thread jack ever.
Draft Express no longer has Vander in it mock either.
Is anyone surprised? Even in an off year for the draft it was pretty likely that Vander wasn't going to be listed on many (if any) mock drafts. By most accounts he just doesn't look like a legitimate NBA talent. Hopefully he will prove them wrong like Wes did when he went undrafted.
Why would anyone think Otule will get drafted new year. He is average at the very most. I think he should be happy to go to Europe.
Quote from: MarquetteMAN on May 29, 2013, 02:38:07 PM
Is anyone surprised? Even in an off year for the draft it was pretty likely that Vander wasn't going to be listed on many (if any) mock drafts. By most accounts he just doesn't look like a legitimate NBA talent. Hopefully he will prove them wrong like Wes did when he went undrafted.
A rather pedestrian showing at the combine didn't help. He proved he was athletic and that's about it.
Quote from: Terror Skink on May 29, 2013, 03:31:33 PM
He proved he was athletic and that's about it.
Frankly, you can say the same thing about his entire MU career.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on May 29, 2013, 03:35:50 PM
Frankly, you can say the same thing about his entire MU career.
Not really. His game grew quite a bit while he was here.
Quote from: MarquetteMAN on May 29, 2013, 02:38:07 PM
Is anyone surprised? Even in an off year for the draft it was pretty likely that Vander wasn't going to be listed on many (if any) mock drafts. By most accounts he just doesn't look like a legitimate NBA talent. Hopefully he will prove them wrong like Wes did when he went undrafted.
No, I'm not shocked at all. Just passing along the latest info.
Quote from: muwar2003 on May 29, 2013, 03:12:01 PM
Why would anyone think Otule will get drafted new year. He is average at the very most. I think he should be happy to go to Europe.
Cuz you can't teach 6'11" 250 lbs. of muscle. Another year of injury free play, continued improving stat line and maybe becoming one of the best interior defenders in college ball this year........I would not be shocked to see CO get a shot.
I think Mbakwe has potential
Quote from: patso on May 29, 2013, 06:51:07 PM
I think Mbakwe has potential
He's like 36. At some point its no longer potential.
Quote from: patso on May 29, 2013, 06:51:07 PM
I think Mbakwe has potential
So did a lot of us but the guy was an effing nutter off the court.
Quote from: Terror Skink on May 29, 2013, 03:41:32 PM
Not really. His game grew quite a bit while he was here.
Yes, I guess negative nabobs want to pretend Vander's junior season -- capped by stupendous stuff against St. John's, Davidson, Butler and Miami -- didn't happen. Jeesh.
Having said that, I also don't think Vander is an NBA talent. Would love to be proved wrong because I appreciate what he did for us this season. Our best player, and it wasn't even close.
Quote from: muwar2003 on May 29, 2013, 03:12:01 PM
Why would anyone think Otule will get drafted new year. He is average at the very most. I think he should be happy to go to Europe.
The Heat need a stopper for Hibbert, Chandler, Duncan, Howard, etc. Joel Anthony is not the answer--Otule is.
Quote from: willie warrior on May 29, 2013, 07:49:06 PM
The Heat need a stopper for Hibbert, Chandler, Duncan, Howard, etc. Joel Anthony is not the answer--Otule is.
Let it freakin' rest. You already have a post that has led to a five-page thread -- an entire thread that should be in teal.
Looks like he's trying out for Boston and Doc:
#NBA: El workout del viernes de los Celtics lo compusieron Colton Iverson, Erick Green, Jeff Withey, Peyton Siva, Vander Blue y Ricky Ledo
Quote from: We R Final Four on May 29, 2013, 06:43:47 PM
Cuz you can't teach 6'11" 250 lbs. of muscle. Another year of injury free play, continued improving stat line and maybe becoming one of the best interior defenders in college ball this year........I would not be shocked to see CO get a shot.
Me either...and a great young man too. High character and devoted to improving. He has size.
The eye might be seen as a handicap to some, but it can be worked around the way the NBA is evolving to more size in the East.
He has some limitations to be sure but plays within himself and can perfect that soft hook with either hand and reads the ball off the glass well.
But the speed of the game and the explosiveness of the guys you lose sight of for even a split second can be a detriment.
Regardless, you never know but I see what any detractors are saying as well.
Quote from: Nukem2 on May 29, 2013, 02:02:53 PM
Draft Express no longer has Vander in it mock either.
Vander's form is still slightly off. He does not square up properly and his form and shot is inconsistent because of it. His shot is too flat and hard and in the NBA that leads to fast breaks on the other end.
He has tweener size and no real position. Yes he is a switchable in college, but no real ONE SKILL SET that will set him apart.
Another thing I noticed that I am sure NBA scouts pick up on and that I have always seen is the kid does not breathe right or he gets winded very easily...
If you watch him at times he hyper ventilates all the time and holds his hips like he is exhausted. He works hard as heck so that is not the issue and I do not know if there are respiratory issues but rarely do I see cats who breathe like him. He needs to control that...I am almost positive a scout would look at that.
For a young man with his quickness and explosion I am not sure if they don't think he is right in that regard. I did not post that before due to sensitivity issues perhaps, but watch him....once. I saw him do it again at the Combine.
Maybe its me...I wish the kid well. I do. But in this draft in which he thought it was advantageous to come out due to it being a weak class, that rationale can back fire if you blend in and do not have a skill like shooting that is better then that weak class you presume it do be and you neglected like Marcus Smart and the kid from Louisville to come back to MU and work on your game and shot for one more year.
We will see how much stamina he has to do about 17 workouts and keep his legs and heart right to knock down shots...consistently.
Dude, if he gets 17 workouts, he'll be drafted.
Quote from: MU82 on May 29, 2013, 09:06:17 PM
Let it freakin' rest. You already have a post that has led to a five-page thread -- an entire thread that should be in teal.
Sorry Pal--read--I did not start the 5 page thread. Don't read the posts or push the ignore button. There are some guys that think Otule is the real deal, based on what I do not know.
Here's a new thread for you. Who will turn out to be a better pro--Otule or McIlvane. McIlvane could not handle the NBA, even though he did get more than a cup of coffee. If McIlvane could not last, what makes some people think that Otule will? But the Heat do need a stopper--and by some accounts, Otule is the man!
Quote from: willie warrior on May 30, 2013, 07:01:25 AM
Sorry Pal--read--I did not start the 5 page thread. Don't read the posts or push the ignore button. There are some guys that think Otule is the real deal, based on what I do not know.
Here's a new thread for you. Who will turn out to be a better pro--Otule or McIlvane. McIlvane could not handle the NBA, even though he did get more than a cup of coffee. If McIlvane could not last, what makes some people think that Otule will? But the Heat do need a stopper--and by some accounts, Otule is the man!
Who are these "some" who think Otule is a legit NBA center?
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on May 30, 2013, 07:23:18 AM
Who are these "some" who think Otule is a legit NBA center?
I like to refer to them as "The Delusionals"
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on May 30, 2013, 07:23:18 AM
Who are these "some" who think Otule is a legit NBA center?
MooMoo for 1. take a look at the 5 page thread on Otule/Hibbert. You will find some others in there.
Quote from: willie warrior on May 30, 2013, 09:18:14 AM
MooMoo for 1. take a look at the 5 page thread on Otule/Hibbert. You will find some others in there.
Just a thought....leave it in that thread then.
Quote from: willie warrior on May 30, 2013, 07:01:25 AM
Sorry Pal--read--I did not start the 5 page thread. Don't read the posts or push the ignore button. There are some guys that think Otule is the real deal, based on what I do not know.
Here's a new thread for you. Who will turn out to be a better pro--Otule or McIlvane. McIlvane could not handle the NBA, even though he did get more than a cup of coffee. If McIlvane could not last, what makes some people think that Otule will? But the Heat do need a stopper--and by some accounts, Otule is the man!
Come on.. for all the grief that McIlvaine got as his NBA career went on (he still managed to play for 7 years in the league)- we forget how great of a college player he was. His senior year he averaged nearly 14pts, more than 4 blocks, and more than 8 rebs a game. He was the National Defensive Player of the Year! He is still in the top 25 for NCAA career blocks..
I love Otule, but you simply can't compare him talentwise to big Mac...
Quote from: MU82 on May 29, 2013, 07:36:07 PM
Yes, I guess negative nabobs want to pretend Vander's junior season -- capped by stupendous stuff against St. John's, Davidson, Butler and Miami -- didn't happen. Jeesh.
Having said that, I also don't think Vander is an NBA talent. Would love to be proved wrong because I appreciate what he did for us this season. Our best player, and it wasn't even close.
I believe that you meant nattering nabobs of negativism.
Quote from: LittleMurs on May 30, 2013, 10:06:58 AM
I believe that you meant nattering nabobs of negativism.
Well, I wasn't trying to quote Spiro, but either one works fine!
Really unfortunate. Hoping for the best but looks like he got some really bad information somewhere along the line. This is Jereme Richmond all over again.
Quote from: Terror Skink on May 29, 2013, 03:31:33 PM
A rather pedestrian showing at the combine didn't help. He proved he was athletic and that's about it.
To be fair to Vander, I think he proved he has elite athleticism (for this class).
Now, it's still going to take a GM to want to draft a combo guard project, but it could happen.
More likely: He goes undrafted, goes to the d-league, and eventually finds a roster spot as a mid-season replacement.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on May 30, 2013, 01:40:19 PM
To be fair to Vander, I think he proved he has elite athleticism (for this class).
Now, it's still going to take a GM to want to draft a combo guard project, but it could happen.
More likely: He goes undrafted, goes to the d-league, and eventually finds a roster spot as a mid-season replacement.
This does happen every so often, but it's a tough road. Just as Jerel.
Luckily (hopefully) for Vander, the experts don't draft anyone. I wonder if some of these are the same "experts who had Matt barkley going in the top five.
Unlike the majority here - I think - I expect Vander to go by the middle of the 2nd round.
A young athletic guy who has shown improvement every year has a lot to offer.
Quote from: LittleMurs on May 30, 2013, 10:06:58 AM
I believe that you meant nattering nabobs of negativism.
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Quote from: robertoc on May 30, 2013, 09:24:47 AM
Come on.. for all the grief that McIlvaine got as his NBA career went on (he still managed to play for 7 years in the league)- we forget how great of a college player he was. His senior year he averaged nearly 14pts, more than 4 blocks, and more than 8 rebs a game. He was the National Defensive Player of the Year! He is still in the top 25 for NCAA career blocks..
I love Otule, but you simply can't compare him talentwise to big Mac...
Hey, I am not saying that Otule is McIlvane. I threw it out there as a comparison to see others thoughts. If some think Otule compares favorably to Hibbert, then perhaps they think Otule compares favorably to McIlvanr.
Otule is not NBA material.
CO is not NBA material and not close to Mac as college player or prospect. Me er say never, but at this point no comparison to CO and Mac.
Quote from: brandx on May 30, 2013, 05:49:26 PM
Luckily (hopefully) for Vander, the experts don't draft anyone. I wonder if some of these are the same "experts who had Matt barkley going in the top five.
Unlike the majority here - I think - I expect Vander to go by the middle of the 2nd round.
A young athletic guy who has shown improvement every year has a lot to offer.
Gonna need a montage!
Quote from: willie warrior on May 30, 2013, 07:01:25 AM
Sorry Pal--read--I did not start the 5 page thread. Don't read the posts or push the ignore button. There are some guys that think Otule is the real deal, based on what I do not know.
He didn't say you started it. He said your post led to it. Completely different things.
Quote from: willie warrior on May 30, 2013, 07:01:25 AMHere's a new thread for you. Who will turn out to be a better pro--Otule or McIlvane. McIlvane could not handle the NBA, even though he did get more than a cup of coffee. If McIlvane could not last, what makes some people think that Otule will? But the Heat do need a stopper--and by some accounts, Otule is the man!
Actually, that's not a new thread. It's a post. I suppose a post that intends to drive the thread off-topic, but still just a post.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 30, 2013, 11:15:04 PM
He didn't say you started it. He said your post led to it. Completely different things.
Actually, that's not a new thread. It's a post. I suppose a post that intends to drive the thread off-topic, but still just a post.
Sorry Brew, but my post did not lead to a 5 page is what strippers twirl around and a thread is the string that goes through the eye of a needle--I don't know. I guess I would say the same to you--if you are so critical of what was posted, don't bother to read it. And I am sorry that my "post" was not placed in the right thread. At any rate, I love MU Bball.
Quote from: Niv Berkowitz on May 31, 2013, 09:02:51 AM
A mother effin' montage!!
In ANY sport, if you wanna go from just a beginner to a pro, ya need a montage