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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: wadesworld on April 23, 2013, 07:27:51 PM
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What a joke it is. LeBron James legitimately just received a technical foul and had it taken away by convincing a referee he was yelling at himself. I have never in my entire life heard of a call being overturned because a player convinced a referee to overturn a call. He either said, "Do you know who I am?! I'm LeBron James!" and the ref said, "Oh, sh!t! No technical foul!" Or he said, "I'm the NBA MVP, I call my own fouls!" and the ref said, "Oh, my bad!"
I really couldn't care much less. The Bucks are going to get swept regardless of whether they get the benefit of the calls or not. But seriously, as if LeBron needs any help from the referees, the fact that he legitimately can call his own fouls and gets whatever calls he wants whenever he wants them makes it absolutely impossible to stop him.
As if the NBA wasn't already a complete joke and didn't give as much star treatment as you possibly can, that was absolutely insane.
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I've seen technicals rescinded before.
And IMO the NBA playoffs is much, much, MUCH better basketball than the NCAAs...I just have a strong rooting interest in college basketball and not the NBA.
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The NBA is the WWE of basketball.
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I've seen technicals rescinded before.
And IMO the NBA playoffs is much, much, MUCH better basketball than the NCAAs...I just have a strong rooting interest in college basketball and not the NBA.
No need to add the IMO.
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The NBA is the WWE of basketball.
The most entertaining?
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The difference between the NBA and the NCAA is the same as the Brewers and the Timber Rattlers.
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How can you say the NBA is better than the NCAA? NCAA is way more entertaining. The NBA is such a joke of a league.
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How can you say the NBA is better than the NCAA? NCAA is way more entertaining. The NBA is such a joke of a league.
It's better basketball? The NCAA can be and is entertaining, but you are being entertained by inferior basketball play.
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The on-court product in the NBA is better than college, and it's not close.
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The on-court product in the NBA is better than college, and it's not close.
Very true, its just that the crapshoot element is gone and its rare that the two best teams don't end up in the championship....extremely rare that at least one doesn't make it. So the excitement isn't quite there, even if the caliber is superior.
And I agree with Sultan, technicals have been rescinded.....usually after a game but it happens. Kobe had one rescinded last month as an example.
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The on-court product in the NBA is better than college, and it's not close.
Many like myself, vehemently disagree with this and won't even watch the NBA. Are they skilled basketball players, yes. Is the overall skill in the NBA higher yes. But it is a show and in my opinion is not great basketball, because each game really doesn't matter to most of them.
The college game in my opinion is more pure and in that regards much better basketball.
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The NBA is going through Kobe withdrawal.
Lots of crazy stuff going on this postseason.
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Many like myself, vehemently disagree with this and won't even watch the NBA. Are they skilled basketball players, yes. Is the overall skill in the NBA higher yes. But it is a show and in my opinion is not great basketball, because each game really doesn't matter to most of them.
It's because the season is too long. I don't watch much NBA in the regular season...but the playoffs are usually incredible basketball.
The NBA and MLB would be better served with a season about 2/3 of the length they currently are.
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It's because the season is too long. I don't watch much NBA in the regular season...but the playoffs are usually incredible basketball.
The NBA and MLB would be better served with a season about 2/3 of the length they currently are.
I think if the leagues could go back in time, they would've kept the seasons shorter and made the playoffs bigger/longer.
Now they have long seasons and big playoffs, which is technically good for ticket revenue, but I think we see a saturation point and general disinterest in a lot of the games.
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Yep...the only exception to this is probably the NFL.
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Many like myself, vehemently disagree with this and won't even watch the NBA. Are they skilled basketball players, yes. Is the overall skill in the NBA higher yes. But it is a show and in my opinion is not great basketball, because each game really doesn't matter to most of them.
The college game in my opinion is more pure and in that regards much better basketball.
What is pure?
Its terrible arguments like these that make college fans seem like simpleton idiots, and it's a bad label.
Even the worst NBA team would handily beat the best NCAA team every year.
Don't hide behind veiled comments like 'pure', tell us why you really hate it now...
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And IMO the NBA playoffs is much, much, MUCH better basketball than the NCAAs...I just have a strong rooting interest in college basketball and not the NBA.
I have to disagree with you on that one. Better players? Higher level of play? yes, but the college game is more entertaining to watch, for me anyway. The fact that teams that are 6 games under 500 can even get in the playoffs is a joke. The officiating is a joke. The star treatment is disgusting. The whole structure of the NBA makes it very difficult for most of the teams to compete and have a realistic chance at the championship.
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I have to disagree with you on that one. Better players? Higher level of play? yes, but the college game is more entertaining to watch, for me anyway. The fact that teams that are 6 games under 500 can even get in the playoffs is a joke. The officiating is a joke. The star treatment is disgusting. The whole structure of the NBA makes it very difficult for most of the teams to compete and have a realistic chance at the championship.
The refereeing in the NBA is about 8 million times better than what you see in college basketball. These are the comments usually made by people who haven't watched the NBA since 1985.
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The refereeing in the NBA is about 8 million times better than what you see in college basketball. These are the comments usually made by people who haven't watched the NBA since 1985.
No, I watch the nba enough to know. Watch the contact LeBron gets away with especially away from the ball. I think the nba refs are better, they just don't or won't enforce the rules consistently. Worse than that it changes depending on the team that is playing, playoffs vs regular season and who the player is.
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The NBA has a higher talent level, but give me the NCAAs any day of the week. I'd rather watch the NCAAs as a neutral than the NBA as a partisan fan. The one-and-done nature of the tournament changes everything. I also feel that the longer shot clock allows more strategy. A Princeton style offense would never work in the NBA, yet many teams succeed with some version of it in the college game.
NBA may be more high-flying, but I don't feel it's a better product. It's like comparing a Toyota Camry to the new Jaguar. The Camry is a reliable, solid car that you will get your money out of. The Jaguar looks flashier, but is less reliable and more expensive to operate. For me, that's the NBA. Sure, it looks flashy, but I don't get near the enjoyment out of it that I do the NCAAs. It's a style vs substance comparison, and I'll take substance any day of the week.
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What is pure?
Its terrible arguments like these that make college fans seem like simpleton idiots, and it's a bad label.
Even the worst NBA team would handily beat the best NCAA team every year.
Don't hide behind veiled comments like 'pure', tell us why you really hate it now...
THANK YOU.
People can't come up with a single, basketball-related reason that the college game is better.
It's funny, how we make fun of UW fans for liking "traditional" basketball, but a lot of people here sound the same way with the NBA.
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It's actually quite funny how riled up the NBA fans get when people say they would rather watch a college game than an NBA one.
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It's actually quite funny how riled up the NBA fans get when people say they would rather watch a college game than an NBA one.
Look, I prefer college basketball. I watch far more of it. I'm just sick of people sh*tting on the NBA game, when they truly have no idea what they are talking about.
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It's actually quite funny how riled up the NBA fans get when people say they would rather watch a college game than an NBA one.
I enjoy the college game more as well, but that doesn't mean the NBA refs are bad, NBA players don't care, NBA players don't play defense, etc. etc.
It's ok to prefer college ball (I know I do), but people don't need to make up reasons for not liking the NBA.
Just say: "I like college ball better."
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Look, I prefer college basketball. I watch far more of it. I'm just sick of people sh*tting on the NBA game, when they truly have no idea what they are talking about.
I prefer the college game too. People have already listed on this thread why they don't like the NBA: not the same intensity, too long of a season, star treatment for certain players, short shot clock leading to a ton of mid-range jumpers, one-on-ones and less team play. I'm just not a fan of that kind of play. NBA playoffs is enjoyable to watch, but as other have mentioned upsets are extremely rare and takes away some of the excitement.
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It's actually quite funny how riled up the NBA fans get when people say they would rather watch a college game than an NBA one.
I have no problem with people watching NCAA basketball vs the NBA. The problem that I have, and many NBA fans agree, is the false logic and flawed reasoning about NCAA being "better".
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Look, I prefer college basketball. I watch far more of it. I'm just sick of people sh*tting on the NBA game, when they truly have no idea what they are talking about.
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Just say: "I like college ball better, and I understand I am enjoying inferior basketball compared to the NBA"
FIFY. It's the same argument with College Football, it's nowhere near as a complete product.
Couple NBA arguments that piss me off:
1.) Star treatment - This myth is debunked every offseason. Star players have the ball more, so they get fouled more. Star players are also excellent at drawing fouls compared to the junker defender playing them.
2.) NBA isn't a team game anymore - If anything, the last few years have shown it's the exact opposite. The average number of shots taken by the top two scorers on playoff teams is somewhere around 25% over the last five years. If the Heat, Lakers, Thunder and Spurs are showing you anything it's that team play IS most important. Not too mention Bill Simmons' book and 'The Secret of Basketball'.
3.) NBA refs are bad - The difference between NBA refs and the NCAA refs is the same as the talent gap between NBA players and NCAA players. It's not even close.
4.) NCAA players play harder - You're an idiot if you believe this. NCAA players show more emotion, sure, I'll give you that. They do not play harder. Every NBA rookie has quotes about how much faster and harder the NBA is.
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I have no problem with people watching NCAA basketball vs the NBA. The problem that I have, and many NBA fans agree, is the false logic and flawed reasoning about NCAA being "better".
Do you consider the reasons listed in my last post to be flawed? No one can argue the NBA doesn't have better athletes, players, etc., but I would say that NCAA is "better" because I find it more enjoyable. Not because it's better basketball, but because whatever style is being played in college is more entertaining to me.
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I'd rather watch MU play Centenary than an NBA game. I'd rather watch my high school football team play than the Bears. I'd rather watch my granddaughter's grammar school talent show than a Broadway play. These are my preferences because they involve places and people I care about far more than basketball, football and theater. Nothing wrong with "preferring" college bball to the pros, high school football to the NFL or your kid's plays to Broadway, as long as you don't delude yourself into thinking the basketball, football or acting is somehow "better" because your heart is there. Love your school or the excitement of a one and done tournament? Watch college bball. Love basketball and want to see it played at the highest level? Watch the NBA playoffs.
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Do you consider the reasons listed in my last post to be flawed? No one can argue the NBA doesn't have better athletes, players, etc., but I would say that NCAA is "better" because I find it more enjoyable. Not because it's better basketball, but because whatever style is being played in college is more entertaining to me.
I personally think that PTM pretty much destroyed any of your reasons. If you like the college game more then that's fine. Just don't make up bullsh*t reasons that have no basis in reality.
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THANK YOU.
People can't come up with a single, basketball-related reason that the college game is better.
It's funny, how we make fun of UW fans for liking "traditional" basketball, but a lot of people here sound the same way with the NBA.
I can.
The 24 second clock means a lot of one on one, or bailout type basketball. A lot of pick N Roll. With the 35 second shot clock, you have more diverse basketball options in the college game, more ways to skin the cat.
That's one way I like it better, but no question the talent level isn't on par, but I like the diversity of offensive options at the college game as a result of the shot clock. A team with lesser "talent" can do well as a result.
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I can.
The 24 second clock means a lot of one on one, or bailout type basketball. A lot of pick N Roll. With the 35 second shot clock, you have more diverse basketball options in the college game, more ways to skin the cat.
That's one way I like it better, but no question the talent level isn't on par, but I like the diversity of offensive options at the college game as a result of the shot clock. A team with lesser "talent" can do well as a result.
This I do agree with to a certain extent.
I would hate to see the NBA with a 35 second shot clock though.
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I personally think that PTM pretty much destroyed any of your reasons. If you like the college game more then that's fine. Just don't make up bullsh*t reasons that have no basis in reality.
The reality is the season is very long so NBA guys can't play every game with the intensity college players do. That is a fact. Doesn't mean they aren't playing hard though. You would be a fool to say that.
Shot clock makes it more of mid-range game. Definitely changes the game. That is a fact.
These are the two biggest reasons I like college ball better. But these have no basis in fact.
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NBA is way better. The problem with it is coaching. Some coaches don't belong. LA's Dantoni for example. He has an aging, veteran team and he decide on a uptempo, run and gun offense. No matter where he coaches, he never teaches defensive schemes. Quoted as saying, "we worked on defense for about 5 minutes." But Mike Brown is fired after 5 games. Most coaches don't play to their strengths and focus on defense. Hell, if it wasn't for Varejao and the role players hustling on defense, Lebron wouldn't of never made it to the playoffs in Cleveland. NBA coaching sucks.
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The reality is the season is very long so NBA guys can't play every game with the intensity college players do. That is a fact. Doesn't mean they aren't playing hard though. You would be a fool to say that.
What is the difference between intensity and hard then?
There is no basis to this point. Just because some gym rat NCAA player like Rontei Clark appears to be running his ass off and sweating the place up doesn't mean he is more 'intense' that LeBron or Durant or Jimmy Butler. They are just that much better.
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I can.
The 24 second clock means a lot of one on one, or bailout type basketball. A lot of pick N Roll. With the 35 second shot clock, you have more diverse basketball options in the college game, more ways to skin the cat.
That's one way I like it better, but no question the talent level isn't on par, but I like the diversity of offensive options at the college game as a result of the shot clock. A team with lesser "talent" can do well as a result.
I think you're "reaching". There's plenty of one on one and pick and roll in the college game too. And unwatchable 40-38 games where teams pass it around the perimeter for 30 seconds before hoisting a wild three that usually misses.
Want to prefer the college game because of loyalties to Indiana, Kansas and Marquette? Fine. And understandable. I hope you'd rather watch your kid play soccer than go to a game between Manchester United and Real Madrid. Just don't try to convince anyone who's only a fan of the "game" that the basketball or the soccer is superior or more aesthetically satisfying. It's not, and that's a fact.
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What is the difference between intensity and hard then?
There is no basis to this point. Just because some gym rat NCAA player like Rontei Clark appears to be running his ass off and sweating the place up doesn't mean he is more 'intense' that LeBron or Durant or Jimmy Butler. They are just that much better.
NBA season is longer, games are longer, they can't physically put into EVERY play like college games. Is this because college players are in better shape? Hell no..where are you finding people saying this? Certainly not from me. there is more passion, energy, hustle, in your average college game because they don't play the marathon of a season the NBA does. I don't know why this is so hard to comprehend.
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The reality is the season is very long so NBA guys can't play every game with the intensity college players do. That is a fact. Doesn't mean they aren't playing hard though. You would be a fool to say that.
Shot clock makes it more of mid-range game. Definitely changes the game. That is a fact.
These are the two biggest reasons I like college ball better. But these have no basis in fact.
Well for starters your first reason is an opinion. Intensity may be perceived to be different for different games a la going against the Bobcats vs. going against the Heat but thats no different than differences in intensity between games vs a small D1 school and a game vs. Duke. I don't know what the difference between intensity and hard is either, but you can't say for a fact that college players are more intense in the regular season than in the NBA.
Your second reason is an opinion has well. Link me to a study that the shot clock makes the NBA more of a mid-range game. It isn't because the shooters are better in the NBA? It isn't because defenses collapse faster in the NBA? It isn't because there are quick triggers like Nate Robinson in the NBA? Plus, I wouldn't say the NBA is any more of a mid-range game than college basketball. I mean look at Michigan this year... Kids just can't shoot like they can in the NBA.
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NBA season is longer, games are longer, they can't physically put into EVERY play like college games. Is this because college players are in better shape? Hell no..where are you finding people saying this? Certainly not from me. there is more passion, energy, hustle, in your average college game because they don't play the marathon of a season the NBA does. I don't know why this is so hard to comprehend.
People here mostly agree the NBA season is too long, but the playoffs is a whole different beast.
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NBA players are obviously more talented, and the level of play is much higher in the playoffs than the regular season.
But nothing competes with the atmosphere of a college basketball game. From a fan's perspective, college basketball is better in every way.
I've been to lots of Bucks and Bulls games. They are enjoyable, but neither compares to MU in terms of atmosphere. Fans stay in the seats, cheer on occasion, and its nowhere near as loud with as much emotion.
I'll concede the NBA has made improvements from the early 2000s, when they were blasting rap music while the game was being played.
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If you don't think the shot clock in the NBA changes the game I don't know what to tell you.
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NBA season is longer, games are longer, they can't physically put into EVERY play like college games. Is this because college players are in better shape? Hell no..where are you finding people saying this? Certainly not from me. there is more passion, energy, hustle, in your average college game because they don't play the marathon of a season the NBA does. I don't know why this is so hard to comprehend.
Probably because using terms like passion, energy and hustle are opinions, not facts.
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I think you're "reaching". There's plenty of one on one and pick and roll in the college game too. And unwatchable 40-38 games where teams pass it around the perimeter for 30 seconds before hoisting a wild three that usually misses.
Want to prefer the college game because of loyalties to Indiana, Kansas and Marquette? Fine. And understandable. I hope you'd rather watch your kid play soccer than go to a game between Manchester United and Real Madrid. Just don't try to convince anyone who's only a fan of the "game" that the basketball or the soccer is superior or more aesthetically satisfying. It's not, and that's a fact.
First off, why didn't you end your statement with IMO? ;)
Let's try it this way, Lenny. In college, you can run an offense like the Swing or the Princeton offense that relies on a lot of passing, cuts, etc that typically requires more time. In essence you are trying to break the defense down, but not off the dribble necessarily...it takes time...shot clock time. This would not be impossible to do in the NBA, but much more difficult. The shot clock FUNDAMENTALLY changes the way the NBA game is played and makes the game different.
The three point shot is another...you have many more opportunities on that front due to the length of the shot. The NBA continuation shot is another one, which I find flawed because of the interpretation.
I like the variety of the college game more than the NBA. They are both basketball, but they are different. You can choose to love the NBA more all you want, I choose differently.
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If you don't think the shot clock in the NBA changes the game I don't know what to tell you.
How would moving the shot clock to 35 seconds change anything in the NBA? The average time of possession is only 11 seconds. I don't think that would increase if the shot clock did. (New Orleans is the lowest with the average possession being 12.8 seconds). The only thing it would change would be the end of the game and holding of the ball, which I think sucks in college because you can waste half a minute. Even if there is 45 seconds left teams have to foul because they would only get less than 10 seconds on a stop to do something with it.
Plus, the NBA game is more one and one because it can be. What I mean by that is not only can players in the NBA go one and one, but teams can't double because everyone else on the floor CAN SHOOT. Defense helps stop the ball, offensive player just kicks it out for a wide open shot. In college kids can't shoot allowing teams play more help defense and double.
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People can't come up with a single, basketball-related reason that the college game is better.
College bball actually has defense in it. Teams use teamWORK to score points the vast, VAST majority of the time. The kids still have passion for the game because they WANT to get paid millions to not give a sh1t about the sport so they actually try in college.
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NBA players are obviously more talented, and the level of play is much higher in the playoffs than the regular season.
But nothing competes with the atmosphere of a college basketball game. From a fan's perspective, college basketball is better in every way.
I've been to lots of Bucks and Bulls games. They are enjoyable, but neither compares to MU in terms of atmosphere. Fans stay in the seats, cheer on occasion, and its nowhere near as loud with as much emotion.
I'll concede the NBA has made improvements from the early 2000s, when they were blasting rap music while the game was being played.
This is a really terrible comparison. The Bucks are one of the NBA's worst franchises. MU is a much more popular team in Milwaukee, so comparing the atmosphere really doesn't work. This would be like me comparing a Depaul vs Seton hall game at All state Area, to a Bulls vs Heat game at the United Center. Which atmosphere is better?
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College bball actually has defense in it. Teams use teamWORK to score points the vast, VAST majority of the time. The kids still have passion for the game because they WANT to get paid millions to not give a sh1t about the sport so they actually try in college.
No teamwork. No defense. No passion. Yawn, yawn, yawn. Tired cliches.
You honestly think there's no defense in the NBA? Because nobody slaps the floor, right?
Someone mentioned the "lack of intensity" because of the season length. Could say the same about baseball. Why isn't college baseball more popular? Those kids are so much more intense!
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How would moving the shot clock to 35 seconds change anything in the NBA? The average time of possession is only 11 seconds. I don't think that would increase if the shot clock did. (New Orleans is the lowest with the average possession being 12.8 seconds). The only thing it would change would be the end of the game and holding of the ball, which I think sucks in college because you can waste half a minute. Even if there is 45 seconds left teams have to foul because they would only get less than 10 seconds on a stop to do something with it.
Plus, the NBA game is more one and one because it can be. What I mean by that is not only can players in the NBA go one and one, but teams can't double because everyone else on the floor CAN SHOOT. Defense helps stop the ball, offensive player just kicks it out for a wide open shot. In college kids can't shoot allowing teams play more help defense and double.
My point on the NBA shot clock is that it causes more mid-range jumpers. It allows less time for plays to develop. I'm not saying to change it. I'm not saying it's bad. What I am saying is that it alters the game and makes it different from college.
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First off, why didn't you end your statement with IMO? ;)
Let's try it this way, Lenny. In college, you can run an offense like the Swing or the Princeton offense that relies on a lot of passing, cuts, etc that typically requires more time. In essence you are trying to break the defense down, but not off the dribble necessarily...it takes time...shot clock time. This would not be impossible to do in the NBA, but much more difficult. The shot clock FUNDAMENTALLY changes the way the NBA game is played and makes the game different.
The three point shot is another...you have many more opportunities on that front due to the length of the shot. The NBA continuation shot is another one, which I find flawed because of the interpretation.
I like the variety of the college game more than the NBA. They are both basketball, but they are different. You can choose to love the NBA more all you want, I choose differently.
The Princeton offense has been run numerous times in the NBA. How many times does a average team run down the shot clock during a game to under 11 seconds while waiting for the principles of the offense to work (aside from the Badgers)? I don't think I've seen MU do it once that I can remember.
Can you clarify your point on the 3 point shot? Doesn't seem to make sense.
IMO, continuation is called correctly a majority of the time in the NBA, but often missed in the NCAA. Not sure if it's because of the speed and grace of the NBA players makes it look much more like a continuous motion or due to the fact that the NBA refs are that much better, because the rules are close to word to word for NCAA and NBA on that matter.
I have no problem with people liking the NCAA better than the NBA for a variety of reasons, but the NBA is better actual basketball due to the size/skill/speed difference. Much like men's basketball is better than women's basketball.
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No teamwork. No defense. No passion. Yawn, yawn, yawn. Tired cliches.
So because they're tired cliches means that they're not valid points? Never has there been a better example of an I in "team" than with NBA "basketball."
Someone mentioned the "lack of intensity" because of the season length. Could say the same about baseball. Why isn't college baseball more popular? Those kids are so much more intense!
Baseball at any level is the most boring sport on the planet.
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College bball actually has defense in it. Teams use teamWORK to score points the vast, VAST majority of the time. The kids still have passion for the game because they WANT to get paid millions to not give a sh1t about the sport so they actually try in college.
Here are a few more for ya.
Both teams are playing at a high level.
Every possession counts.
Everybody's on the same page.
Everyone counted us out before the season started.
Everyone should feel part of the offense.
Finding his man well
Fleet footed
Get up in people's faces.
Get your head in the game
Give them a lot of credit.
Give them all the credit.
Good call
Good call by the official.
Good cut.
Good teams get better down the stretch.
Got beat like a drum
Got swept
Got the stuffing beat out of him
Great blocking at the point of attack.
Great individual effort.
Great no-look pass.
Great read by ________.
Great second effort!
He adds a new dimension to their offense.
He always comes through in the clutch.
He always gives 110 percent.
He always has his team ready to play.
He beat him through the five hole.
He brings a lot to the table.
He bulls his way for extra yardage.
He bumped his way into the field.
He can break the game wide open.
He can bury the three-point shot.
He can carry the team on his shoulders.
He can fill it up.
He can flat out play.
He can make things happen out there.
He can nail the trifecta.
He can overpower the hitters.
He can play at the next level.
He can play on Sundays.
He can really dish the rock.
He can really shoot the three-ball.
He can really sky for those rebounds.
He can spot up for the open J.
He can take over a game.
He can take this team to the Promised Land.
He can take you to school.
He chased a bad pitch.
He couldn't turn the corner.
He crushed it.
He found the twine.
He gets stronger as the game goes on.
He gets the most out of his players.
He gives a lot back to the community.
He gives them good minutes off the bench.
He got a good jump.
He got a step on the defender.
He got hacked.
He got his lap back.
He got mugged
He got out of the draft and got left out to dry.
He had a man wide open downfield.
He had him covered like a blanket.
He had to cut back against the grain.
He has a great feel for the game.
He has a great pair of hands.
He has a killer instinct.
He has a linebacker mentality.
He has a lot of upside potential.
He has a low center of gravity.
He has a new lease on life.
He has a nose for the ball.
He has a passion for the game.
He has a rifle for an arm.
He has a tireless work ethic.
He has all the makings of a great one.
He has all the tools.
He has blazing speed.
He has blinding speed.
He has both speed and quickness.
He has cat-quick reflexes.
He has elevated his game.
He has eyes on the back of his head.
He has great durability.
He has great instincts.
He has great lateral mobility.
He has great speed and strength, but more importantly, he has something great right behind the ribs.
He has great vision.
He has lightning-fast reflexes.
He has speed to burn.
He has the complete package.
He has the heart of a champion.
He has the hot hand.
He has to get up and down in two.
He has to wait for his pitch.
He has unlimited potential.
He hasn't ducked anybody.
He hasn't lost a step.
He heard footsteps.
He hit a bullet.
He hit a laser shot.
He hit a rocket.
He hit a solo-shot back in the third inning.
He hit a towering line drive.
He hit that ball squarely.
He hit that one right on the screws.
He just gave him a little bump to let him know he's there.
He just threw up an air ball.
He knows what it takes to win.
He led him beautifully with that pass.
He left the field under his own power.
He let's the game come to him.
He lit the lamp.
He lost the handle.
He made good contact.
He makes his presence known out there.
He makes it look easy.
He makes the players around him better.
He moves well for a big man.
He must challenge his players.
He must regain his past form.
He nails the buzzer beater!
He needs to bulk-up in the off-season.
He plays bigger than his size.
He plays with a lot of emotion.
He plays with reckless abandon.
He provides them with instant offense.
He put the biscuit in the basket.
He put the lumber on him.
He ran into a brick wall.
He really got ahold of that one.
He really got his bell rung there.
He reminds me of a young John ________.
He reminds me of another guy who wore number 23.
He rumbled down the sideline for 30 yards.
He sent that one into orbit.
He shook off several would-be tacklers.
He shoots a rainbow jumper.
He should get an Academy Award for that acting job.
He stood him up on the blue line.
He wants this fight.
He was all over that pitch.
He was blind-sided.
He'll have his game-face on.
Here's the payoff pitch.
He's a blue-chip prospect.
He's a bruising running back.
He's a complete player.
He's a cutter and a slasher.
He's a finesse player.
He's a force on the inside.
He's a franchise player.
He's a freshman phenom.
He's a future Hall-of-Famer.
He's a steady player.
He's a streaky shooter.
He's a talented young freshman.
He's a tough, hard-nosed player.
He's a warrior.
He's a wily veteran.
He's a winner in the bigger game of life.
He's a work in progress.
He's a youngster who bears watching.
He's all heart.
He's all world.
He's an explosive player.
He's an impact player.
He's an integral part of their offense.
He's an unselfish player.
He's as good a player as there is in this league.
He's automatic.
He's been feeling it.
He's been perfect from the charity stripe.
He's been playing steady between the pipes.
He's been quiet so far.
He's been relegated to the bullpen.
He's been roughed up in his last four outings.
He's been the story of the game.
He's been the subject of trade rumors.
He's been their spark off the bench.
He's been unconscious.
He's being groomed for a future starting job.
He's being shopped around.
He's built low to the ground.
He's capable of going the distance.
He's finally getting his due.
He's finally playing his natural position.
He's getting shelled.
He's going to be happy with that.
He's going to re-write the record books.
He's going to set the world on fire.
He's gonna feel that one on Monday.
He's got 30 homers on the year.
He's got a bad wheel.
He's got a great future ahead of him.
He's got game.
He's got good mechanics.
He's got him in his back pocket
He's got ice-water in his veins.
He's got the batters eating out of his hand.
He's got the skills.
He's got them headed in the right direction.
He's had an up and down season.
He's having a career year.
He's having a monster game.
He's having a whale of a game.
He's in a league of his own.
He's in a slump and he's pressing.
He's legit.
He's listed at 320, but that's before breakfast.
He's making a charge on the back nine.
He's money.
He's not just fast, he's quick.
He's not the finished article
he's on fire at the moment
He's on the dance floor.
He's on the trading block.
He's on top of his game.
He's one of the all-time greats.
He's one of the best in the business.
He's only played sparingly this season.
He's overdue to break one.
He's
He's slow getting up.
He's some kind of player.
He's still pitching a shutout.
He's the best player never to have won a major.
He's the best player you've never heard of.
He's the consumate team player.
He's the glue that holds this team together.
He's the heart and soul of this team.
He's the league's most underrated player.
He's the real deal.
He's the stalwart of their defense.
He's the unsung hero on this team.
He's their elder statesman.
He's their field general.
He's their floor general.
He's their go-to guy when the game's on the line.
He's their playmaker.
He's their role player.
He's their spark plug.
He's their workhorse.
Immediately after a championship football game, the winning coach will get a large container of water or sports drink (Gatorade) dumped over his head. Slow motion replays will then be shown of this event from multiple angles.
In a football game, the only time you'll ever see the special teams coach is if his team suffers a blocked punt or if the opponents run back a kick for a touchdown.
In any other ballpark, that's a homerun.
In games involving Seattle teams, announcers will use some permutation of the movie title "Sleepless in Seattle".
In the nick of time
In the playoffs anything can happen.
Inched out
It ain't over 'til it's over.
It aint over til the fat lady sings
It ain't over 'til the fat lady sings.
It all comes down to which team wants to win it more.
It all depends on where they spot the ball.
It doesn't matter who they play in the next round.
It hasn't sunk in yet.
It looks like they're running up the score.
It was a hard-fought contest.
It was a total team effort.
It was a workman-like effort.
It was door-to-door out there.
It wasn't pretty but we'll take it.
It’s gonna be a war out there.
It's a beautiful day for baseball.
It's going down to the wire.
It's going to be a battle of epic proportions.
It's going to be a battle of the titans.
It's going to be a long plane ride home.
It's in the bag
It's not a sprint, it's a marathon
It's not always about speed.
It's not whether you win or lose, it's how you play the game
It's only a game.
It's only a yard, but it's a long yard.
It's raining threes.
It's the grand-daddy of them all.
It's theirs to lose.
It's tough to win in a hostile environment.
Joe is going to try and settle him down.
Just watching him is worth the price of admission.
Kick some butt (ass)
Kiss that one goodbye -- it's outta here!
Knock it out of the park
Knock the cover off the ball
Knockout blow
Know who it is we want to take the shots.
Last week was his coming-out party.
Late in a night game, viewers will get a close-up of a baby sleeping in the stands.
Let's hope his legal problems are behind him.
Let's relax and just have fun out there.
Let's see if he can orchestrate a comeback.
Lights out.
Look what I found.
Looks like there sending the big guns up for this one
Looks like they're content to sit on the lead.
Looks like we'll have another team fall from the ranks of the unbeaten.
Looks like we've got a player shaken up.
Looks like we've got some extra-curricular activity on the field. (i.e. a fight)
Losing is worse than death. You have to live with a loss.
Lost a step
Make the defense work.
Make your parents proud.
Make your school proud.
Mental toughness (lack of)
Mistakes were made.
Momentum has definitely shifted.
My comments were taken out of context.
My hat's off to them.
Never say die.
Never up, never in.
Nip and tuck
No lead is safe.
No need to panic, there's plenty of time left.
Nobody laid a glove on him.
Nothing but net.
On any given day any team is capable of beating another team.
On fire
One goal will open the floodgates, I fancy.
Our defense didn't show up today.
Our defense was a non-factor.
That car must be running on fumes.
That changed the complexion of the game.
That could be the knock-out punch.
That could turn the tide of the game.
That front line is 1000 pounds of beef.
That hit really cleaned his clock.
That keeps the drive alive.
That kick splits the uprights.
That looked like a blown coverage.
That looked like a missed assignment.
That looked like a simple miscommunication.
That missed extra point could come back to haunt them.
that missed shot could come back to haunt them
That one's going, going - gone!
That pass looked like a wounded duck.
That pass was right on the money.
That pass was very catchable.
That play electrified the crowd.
That really helped his cause.
That really silenced the crowd.
That really took the wind out of their sails.
That score gives them a big cushion.
That score makes it respectable.
That score sealed the victory.
That sealed their fate.
That set the tone of the game.
That shot barely drew iron.
That took the crowd out of the game.
That was a circus catch.
That was a game saving tackle.
That was a goal-scorer's goal.
That was a good piece of hitting.
That was a good piece of officiating.
That was a gutsy play.
That was a missed opportunity.
That was a monster drive.
That was a page right out of the ________'s playbook.
That was a pinpoint pass.
That was a real heads-up play.
That was a shoestring tackle.
That was a smart foul.
That was a textbook play.
That was a ticky-tack call.
That was a timing pattern.
that was an agricultural tackle!
That was an ill-advised pass.
That was just huge.
That was the back breaker.
That was the big play that capped the rally.
That was the game's defining play.
That'll give coach Jimmy Johnson a few more grey hairs.
That's 14 unanswered points.
That's a nail in the coffin.
That's a very makeable putt.
That's going to be a walk-off homer.
That's gotta hurt.
That's his patented jumper.
That's just a part of racing.
That's stuff for the highlight film.
That's the key statistic.
That's the key to the game.
That's too little, too late.
That's what they bring to the table.
The ______ and the ________ skated to a 4-4 tie.
The altitude factor.
The ball had eyes.
The ball just didn't bounce our way.
The ball takes a Denver bounce.
The ball took a bad hop.
The best team won today.
The big guy is really sweeping the glass.
The Blackhawks make a wholesale change.
The bodies are flying.
The Broncos left their game in Denver.
The Broncos must now pin their hopes on John ________.
The camera will always show some fan holding a poster that uses the network's initials to spell-out a phrase about the home team.
The car got up into the marbles.
The car is all tore up.
The car's pushing a bit.
The car's running a little loose.
The car's running a little tight.
The city has rallied around this team.
The clock factor.
The clock is their ally.
The clock is their enemy.
The coach has been under fire.
The coach is on the hot seat.
The coach's head is on the chopping block.
The competitive juices are flowing.
The cream always rises to the top.
The crowd factor
The crowd is going wild.
The crowd is really into it now.
The defense had that play sniffed out.
The defense is showing blitz.
The defense must make a stand.
The defensive line is quick off the ball.
The desire to win clouded our judgement.
The ________ factor
The experience factor.
The fans are getting their money's worth.
The fans are on their feet.
The fatigue factor.
The field is a frozen tundra.
The final score is the only statistic that matters.
The final score was not a true indication.
The free throw shooting has been anemic.
The game has passed him by.
The game is on the line
The game was a lot closer than the final score indicates.
The goalposts are a goalie's best friends.
The guys in the pits won this one for us.
The highest expression of disbelief for an announcer is the ubiquitous "Unbelievable!", but it may soon be replaced by "Are you kiddin' me?!"
The humidity factor.
The important thing is that we won.
The injury factor.
The intangibles will be the key.
The Irish should just play Notre Dame football.
The mental factor.
The motivation factor.
The offense is too predictable.
The officials could call holding on every play.
The officials take a lot of criticism, but they usually get it right.
The officials were right on top of that.
The players have bought into the system.
The prevent defense prevents you from winning.
The psychological factor.
The quarterback is staring at the receiver too long.
The quarterback isn't being asked to win the game, just not to lose it.
The refs should let them play.
The revenge factor.
The road to the Super Bowl goes through Miami.
The roof just caved in.
The rout is on.
The safety didn't get there in time.
The season is a marathon - not a sprint.
The team is really high on him.
The team looks to him for leadership.
The team with the fewest turnovers wins.
The time factor.
The tying run is 90 feet away.
The tying run is at the plate.
The wheels just fell off.
The wind factor.
The X-factor.
Their ace
Their defense has been much maligned.
Their defense is getting shredded.
Their defense is starting to assert itself.
Their defense is tough in the red zone.
Their locker room must look like a MASH unit.
Their magic number is five.
Their offense has been sputtering.
Their play is very tentative.
They have to establish their running game.
They have to find a way to put the puck in the net.
They have to find an answer for Reggie Miller.
They have to generate some offense.
They have to get after it.
They have to get back into their offensive rhythm.
They have to get back on track.
They have to get the big guy involved in the offense.
They have to go out and take care of business.
They have to keep the continuity.
They have to leave everything on the field.
They need to turn up the intensity.
They out-coached us.
They out-hustled us.
They out-muscled us.
They're getting beaten to the puck.
They're getting some good, open looks.
They're going for a three-peat.
They're going for back-to-back championships.
They're going for the jugular.
They're going to have to make some adjustments.
They're going to tee-off on him.
They're having a storybook season.
They're hitting on all cylinders.
They're in a must-win situation.
This one will be coming back.
This one's in the bag.
This place is bedlam.
This place is pandemonium.
This should be a chip shot for him.
This team always seems to find a way to win.
This team has a chance to do something special.
This team has finally gotten off the schneid.
This team has finally learned how to win.
This team has overcome a lot of adversity.
This team has raised the bar.
This team has served notice.
This team has turned the corner.
This team is like a family.
This team is not going to sneak up on anybody.
This team is really starting to gel.
This team is running like a well-oiled machine.
This team is showing flashes of brilliance.
This team is starting to make some noise.
This team is struggling to find its identity.
This team shows a lot of character.
This team shows a lot of heart.
This team shows a lot of poise.
We made our own breaks.
We managed to eke out a win.
We only have to look in the mirror.
We played our hearts out.
You are an embarrassment to your school.
You didn't care enough to win.
You don't want to give up a soft goal here.
You don't win the race on the first lap.
You draft the best available player.
You dream about this as a kid.
You drive for show - putt for dough.
You gotta go home with who brung you to the dance.
You have to respect their athleticism.
You have to respect their quickness.
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You've had that in a Word doc for years and have just been waiting for the perfect opportunity to post it, eh?
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College bball actually has defense in it. Teams use teamWORK to score points the vast, VAST majority of the time. The kids still have passion for the game because they WANT to get paid millions to not give a sh1t about the sport so they actually try in college.
Everything about this post is bad.
This is why people look at college basketball fans as idiots.
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Everything about this post is bad.
This is why people look at college basketball fans as idiots.
That's funny...watching NBA games is why I look at NBA fans as idiots. Guess we're at an impasse.
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My point on the NBA shot clock is that it causes more mid-range jumpers. It allows less time for plays to develop. I'm not saying to change it. I'm not saying it's bad. What I am saying is that it alters the game and makes it different from college.
And what I am saying is I disagree with your opinion. I am saying the better talent allows for games in the NBA to extend beyond 5 feet, not the fact the shot clock is less than 35. It obviously is less time 24 < 35, but I disagree that plays would develop. Defense is many times better in the NBA than college. There are a lot more factors in play and have much more influence than the shot clock.
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That's funny...watching NBA games is why I look at NBA fans as idiots. Guess we're at an impasse.
Not a NBA over NCAA fan, but I can respect and enjoy their game.
Reading that post, it's apparent you cannot.
You know the 'College bball actually has defense in it' would get 125+ dropped on them by a mediocre NBA team?
You know the 'Teams use teamWORK to score points the vast, VAST majority of the time" would be lucky to get over 40 points by that crappy NBA defense? Even though this point makes no sense as I said early the top two scorers on teams only account for around 25% of the teams FGA?
Don't let facts get in your way though, you have too many awful cliches to use.
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The refereeing in the NBA is about 8 million times better than what you see in college basketball. These are the comments usually made by people who haven't watched the NBA since 1985.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5MhmGyZ7KF0
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That's funny...watching NBA games is why I look at NBA fans as idiots. Guess we're at an impasse.
Here's the difference though... people here aren't knocking college basketball by saying that the NBA game is better. We all clearly enjoy the college game, or we wouldn't be here. If given the choice, I'll watch a college game 9 times out of 10. But the reasons aren't because of the play, it's because of tradition/atmosphere/pageantry/etc.
What you are doing is spewing nonsense about the NBA that simply isn't true. They absolutely play defense, and at a high level. There is more iso play, but there's definitely team offense. A shot that takes a college team 8 passes to get, they get in 2 or 3. It's just the speed of the game, and superior talent on the floor.
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Here's the difference though... people here aren't knocking college basketball by saying that the NBA game is better. We all clearly enjoy the college game, or we wouldn't be here. If given the choice, I'll watch a college game 9 times out of 10. But the reasons aren't because of the play, it's because of tradition/atmosphere/pageantry/etc.
What you are doing is spewing nonsense about the NBA that simply isn't true. They absolutely play defense, and at a high level. There is more iso play, but there's definitely team offense. A shot that takes a college team 8 passes to get, they get in 2 or 3. It's just the speed of the game, and superior talent on the floor.
Like this post.
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And what I am saying is I disagree with your opinion. I am saying the better talent allows for games in the NBA to extend beyond 5 feet, not the fact the shot clock is less than 35. It obviously is less time 24 < 35, but I disagree that plays would develop. Defense is many times better in the NBA than college. There are a lot more factors in play and have much more influence than the shot clock.
If the shot clock went up to 35, you would see average times of possesion increase IMO. We'll have to agree to disagree.
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What would be a better basketball game using this year's players?
Junior, Vander, & Davante
vs.
Jamil, Lockett, & Otule
or
Thomas, D Wilson, & Flood
vs.
Swanson, Ferguson, & Anderson
Nobody in their right mind would say the latter. Those guys just simply aren't as good of basketball players. If you attended Ferguson's high school, was Flood's mother, and Swanson's aunt, you'd probably rather watch the 2nd game, but even then you would admit the 1st was a better product.
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This is a really terrible comparison. The Bucks are one of the NBA's worst franchises. MU is a much more popular team in Milwaukee, so comparing the atmosphere really doesn't work. This would be like me comparing a Depaul vs Seton hall game at All state Area, to a Bulls vs Heat game at the United Center. Which atmosphere is better?
First of all, the Bucks are nothing special, but they are not one of the worst franchises. They are a playoff team,
Second, I've seen Bulls vs. Heat games at the United Center, as recently as this season in fact. I'll reiterate what I've already said: they don't compete with any MU game. I included the Bulls games in my post. Did you even read what I wrote?
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What would be a better basketball game using this year's players?
Junior, Vander, & Davante
vs.
Jamil, Lockett, & Otule
or
Thomas, D Wilson, & Flood
vs.
Swanson, Ferguson, & Anderson
Nobody in their right mind would say the latter. Those guys just simply aren't as good of basketball players. If you attended Ferguson's high school, was Flood's mother, and Swanson's aunt, you'd probably rather watch the 2nd game, but even then you would admit the 1st was a better product.
Terrible comparison. It isn't simply the talent of the players that makes the NBA and College different.
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Terrible comparison. It isn't simply the talent of the players that makes the NBA and College different.
It's 80% of it.
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Don't let facts get in your way though, you have too many awful cliches to use.
Facts? I've watched plenty of NBA games with lazy "defense"...barely jumping for shot block attempts, no press whatsoever (full-, three-quarters- or even half-court). I can't think of a single time that I've seen a trap set in an NBA game. I can't think of a time I've ever seen a team play a single inbound the way Louisville plays them (tenacious, full-court press).
Do those things happen? I'm sure they do. Just so infrequently that they may as well not. And that NBA defense that's so incredible yet somehow allows games to go well over 100 points? So without defense, games would be 230-217? Please. Throwing your hand up 5 feet away from someone taking a shot doesn't constitute as defense.
The NBA has gotten so lazy and so focused on superstars it has forgotten its roots. I try every season to get into the NBA because basketball is my favorite sport without a doubt and every year, I'm bored by the second week of the season because no one on the court seems to care enough about the game to actually play it. And all the rule changes from college designed to get the game higher-scoring and to let players get away with murder are just ridiculous.
I find the NBA a joke and a mockery of basketball.
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Facts? I've watched plenty of NBA games with lazy "defense"...barely jumping for shot block attempts, no press whatsoever (full-, three-quarters- or even half-court). I can't think of a single time that I've seen a trap set in an NBA game. I can't think of a time I've ever seen a team play a single inbound the way Louisville plays them (tenacious, full-court press).
Do those things happen? I'm sure they do. Just so infrequently that they may as well not. And that NBA defense that's so incredible yet somehow allows games to go well over 100 points? So without defense, games would be 230-217? Please. Throwing your hand up 5 feet away from someone taking a shot doesn't constitute as defense.
The NBA has gotten so lazy and so focused on superstars it has forgotten its roots. I try every season to get into the NBA because basketball is my favorite sport without a doubt and every year, I'm bored by the second week of the season because no one on the court seems to care enough about the game to actually play it. And all the rule changes from college designed to get the game higher-scoring and to let players get away with murder are just ridiculous.
I find the NBA a joke and a mockery of basketball.
That's a shame because your opinions of it are a joke and a mockery of this thread.
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What would be a better basketball game using this year's players?
Junior, Vander, & Davante
vs.
Jamil, Lockett, & Otule
or
Thomas, D Wilson, & Flood
vs.
Swanson, Ferguson, & Anderson
Nobody in their right mind would say the latter. Those guys just simply aren't as good of basketball players. If you attended Ferguson's high school, was Flood's mother, and Swanson's aunt, you'd probably rather watch the 2nd game, but even then you would admit the 1st was a better product.
Replace Swanson with Steve Jr. and I might disagree. ;D
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Let's try it this way, Lenny. In college, you can run an offense like the Swing or the Princeton offense that relies on a lot of passing, cuts, etc that typically requires more time.
Watch tape of the Sacramento Kings with Chris Webber, Vlade, Peja, et al running the Princeton offense. Then watch this year's Georgetown team (a #2 seed!) stumbling and bumbling trying to run it, usually giving up and putting the ball in Otto Porter's hands or throwing up a late three when all else fails. If you're a Hoya fan and say you prefer their iteration, I'll understand, but nobody without an ax to grind could say it's better or more aesthetic basketball.
As regards the "Swing", not counting UW fans you could probably count on one hand those who don't find it boring and borderline un-watchable. Not exactly a ringing endorsement for what you think makes college basketball a "better" version of the game.
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And that NBA defense that's so incredible yet somehow allows games to go well over 100 points?
The average NBA game has 25+ more possessions than a college game. And the players are far better shooters. Of course they'll score more. Higher scoring doesn't equal bad defense.
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What would be a better basketball game using this year's players?
Junior, Vander, & Davante
vs.
Jamil, Lockett, & Otule
or
Thomas, D Wilson, & Flood
vs.
Swanson, Ferguson, & Anderson
Nobody in their right mind would say the latter. Those guys just simply aren't as good of basketball players. If you attended Ferguson's high school, was Flood's mother, and Swanson's aunt, you'd probably rather watch the 2nd game, but even then you would admit the 1st was a better product.
If Thomas, D.Wilson and Flood played the "Swing" and Swanson, Ferguson and Anderson played the "Princeton Offense" and you gave them 11 extra seconds to shoot....
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That's a shame because your opinions of it are a joke and a mockery of this thread.
I guess everything worked out perfectly then.
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Facts? I've watched plenty of NBA games with lazy "defense"...barely jumping for shot block attempts, no press whatsoever (full-, three-quarters- or even half-court). I can't think of a single time that I've seen a trap set in an NBA game. I can't think of a time I've ever seen a team play a single inbound the way Louisville plays them (tenacious, full-court press).
Pressing and trapping does not work in the NBA. The guards, hell even the front-court players, handle the ball too well. NBA guys would rip it up. Rick Pitino tried this during his Boston tenure and failed miserably.
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First of all, the Bucks are nothing special, but they are not one of the worst franchises. They are a playoff team,
Second, I've seen Bulls vs. Heat games at the United Center, as recently as this season in fact. I'll reiterate what I've already said: they don't compete with any MU game. I included the Bulls games in my post. Did you even read what I wrote?
Yes I read very clearly what you wrote.
First of all the Bucks are by far the worst team in the playoffs, and if they were in the West they would not have even come close to making it. They will get swept by the Heat.
I'm saying that your comparason betweet the atmosphere at a MU game and a Bucks game is not a fair comparason. The Bucks are not a very popular team in Milwukee, the average MU game draws a much bigger and more passionate crowd. I would never compare the atmosphere at a Bulls game in Chicago vs a Depaul game in Chicago. The Bulls games have a much better atmoshere because they are the much more popular team. There are many NBA teams who play in incredible atmospheres, OKC, Chicago, LA, New York, etc... there are also some that don't. The same goes for college hoops.
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Facts? I've watched plenty of NBA games with lazy "defense"...barely jumping for shot block attempts, no press whatsoever (full-, three-quarters- or even half-court). I can't think of a single time that I've seen a trap set in an NBA game. I can't think of a time I've ever seen a team play a single inbound the way Louisville plays them (tenacious, full-court press).
Do those things happen? I'm sure they do. Just so infrequently that they may as well not. And that NBA defense that's so incredible yet somehow allows games to go well over 100 points? So without defense, games would be 230-217? Please. Throwing your hand up 5 feet away from someone taking a shot doesn't constitute as defense.
The NBA has gotten so lazy and so focused on superstars it has forgotten its roots. I try every season to get into the NBA because basketball is my favorite sport without a doubt and every year, I'm bored by the second week of the season because no one on the court seems to care enough about the game to actually play it. And all the rule changes from college designed to get the game higher-scoring and to let players get away with murder are just ridiculous.
I find the NBA a joke and a mockery of basketball.
I have to be honest, I used feel this way too.
BUT, you have to realize that the guys are sooooo good that a lot of the stuff just looks "different" when compared to college ball.
For the most part, they are executing at a VERY high level, and it takes some time to realize that. It did for me.
I love college ball WAAAAAY more than NBA... but the teams in the NBA are incredible, and I'm not just talking about dunks. I'm talking about the minutia where they run pick and role in certain spots on the floor just to set-up a certain match-up or expose a certain player. It sounds easy, but it's HARD to do it well.
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I guess everything worked out perfectly then.
+1
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I have to be honest, I used feel this way too.
BUT, you have to realize that the guys are sooooo good that a lot of the stuff just looks "different" when compared to college ball.
For the most part, they are executing at a VERY high level, and it takes some time to realize that. It did for me.
I love college ball WAAAAAY more than NBA... but the teams in the NBA are incredible, and I'm not just talking about dunks. I'm talking about the minutia where they run pick and role in certain spots on the floor just to set-up a certain match-up or expose a certain player. It sounds easy, but it's HARD to do it well.
Fair enough. Maybe I need to watch again with that in mind.
On the same token, I find it hard to take an organization seriously when they so blatantly disrespect their fanbase time and time again. For example: Spanish week (or whatever they call it) where teams recognize and celebrate Hispanic culture and heritage and wear Spanish jerseys.
Spanish jerseys for their teams which apparently are named after things with no natural Spanish word for them. Teams like:
Los Bulls
El Heat
Los Spurs
Stuff like that, the drastic difference between NBA and NCAA rules/play-styles and the worship of the superstar have made me view the NBA as the adult-equivalent to Saturday morning cartoons: 90% of the reason they're on is to sell merchandise. Toys for cartoons and, for the NBA, jerseys that are "Spanish" because your Dwyane Wade HEAT jersey isn't the same as a Dwyane Wade EL HEAT jersey.
The NBA brand is cheap and sleazy...more concerned about selling you stupid sh1t you don't need (and stuff that they should be embarrassed about having on shelves) than playing the game.
That's how I see it anyway. Then again, I'm almost unanimously disinterested in pro sports of any kind...I enjoy watching them but "having a team" and living/dying by the way they play is something I just can't grasp. Nothing makes me care less about a team than knowing the guys on it are making millions of dollars and don't care about anything other than getting paid (the NFL is fine because of fantasy football...otherwise I wouldn't bother watching that either).
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On the same token, I find it hard to take an organization seriously when they so blatantly disrespect their fanbase time and time again. For example: Spanish week (or whatever they call it) where teams recognize and celebrate Hispanic culture and heritage and wear Spanish jerseys.
Spanish jerseys for their teams which apparently are named after things with no natural Spanish word for them. Teams like:
Los Bulls
El Heat
Los Spurs
Stuff like that, the drastic difference between NBA and NCAA rules/play-styles and the worship of the superstar have made me view the NBA as the adult-equivalent to Saturday morning cartoons: 90% of the reason they're on is to sell merchandise. Toys for cartoons and, for the NBA, jerseys that are "Spanish" because your Dwyane Wade HEAT jersey isn't the same as a Dwyane Wade EL HEAT jersey.
The NBA brand is cheap and sleazy...more concerned about selling you stupid sh1t you don't need (and stuff that they should be embarrassed about having on shelves) than playing the game.
Really?? A major reason you dislike the NBA is because of Latino Night.... Talk about grasping at straws.
That's not to say the NBA doesn't have issues... Things like poor ownership, small market to big market differences, end-of-year tanking are major issues for the league. However, its hard to your points seriously, when the complaints are so petty in nature.
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Fair enough. Maybe I need to watch again with that in mind.
On the same token, I find it hard to take an organization seriously when they so blatantly disrespect their fanbase time and time again. For example: Spanish week (or whatever they call it) where teams recognize and celebrate Hispanic culture and heritage and wear Spanish jerseys.
Spanish jerseys for their teams which apparently are named after things with no natural Spanish word for them. Teams like:
Los Bulls
El Heat
Los Spurs
Stuff like that, the drastic difference between NBA and NCAA rules/play-styles and the worship of the superstar have made me view the NBA as the adult-equivalent to Saturday morning cartoons: 90% of the reason they're on is to sell merchandise. Toys for cartoons and, for the NBA, jerseys that are "Spanish" because your Dwyane Wade HEAT jersey isn't the same as a Dwyane Wade EL HEAT jersey.
The NBA brand is cheap and sleazy...more concerned about selling you stupid sh1t you don't need (and stuff that they should be embarrassed about having on shelves) than playing the game.
That's how I see it anyway. Then again, I'm almost unanimously disinterested in pro sports of any kind...I enjoy watching them but "having a team" and living/dying by the way they play is something I just can't grasp. Nothing makes me care less about a team than knowing the guys on it are making millions of dollars and don't care about anything other than getting paid (the NFL is fine because of fantasy football...otherwise I wouldn't bother watching that either).
You don't think there is a natural Spanish word for bull? Or heat? Cmon man. They are proper nouns, which is why they aren't translated.
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Fair enough. Maybe I need to watch again with that in mind.
On the same token, I find it hard to take an organization seriously when they so blatantly disrespect their fanbase time and time again. For example: Spanish week (or whatever they call it) where teams recognize and celebrate Hispanic culture and heritage and wear Spanish jerseys.
Spanish jerseys for their teams which apparently are named after things with no natural Spanish word for them. Teams like:
Los Bulls
El Heat
Los Spurs
Stuff like that, the drastic difference between NBA and NCAA rules/play-styles and the worship of the superstar have made me view the NBA as the adult-equivalent to Saturday morning cartoons: 90% of the reason they're on is to sell merchandise. Toys for cartoons and, for the NBA, jerseys that are "Spanish" because your Dwyane Wade HEAT jersey isn't the same as a Dwyane Wade EL HEAT jersey.
The NBA brand is cheap and sleazy...more concerned about selling you stupid sh1t you don't need (and stuff that they should be embarrassed about having on shelves) than playing the game.
That's how I see it anyway. Then again, I'm almost unanimously disinterested in pro sports of any kind...I enjoy watching them but "having a team" and living/dying by the way they play is something I just can't grasp. Nothing makes me care less about a team than knowing the guys on it are making millions of dollars and don't care about anything other than getting paid (the NFL is fine because of fantasy football...otherwise I wouldn't bother watching that either).
This is all well and good, but none of this should really impact your ability to see the quality of ball being played.
Strip the emotion and preconceptions out of it. Just watch what is actually occurring.
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You don't think there is a natural Spanish word for bull? Or heat? Cmon man. They are proper nouns, which is why they aren't translated.
Heat is a proper noun? Bulls is a proper noun?
No, they are not. The Chicago Bulls is a team name and proper noun. "Bulls" is not.
Regardless, if you're going to make that argument then they shouldn't be doing the "Spanish" jerseys at all then. But then that's a missed revenue opportunity and we all know, making money > playing basketball.
Really?? A major reason you dislike the NBA is because of Latino Night.... Talk about grasping at straws.
That's not to say the NBA doesn't have issues... Things like poor ownership, small market to big market differences, end-of-year tanking are major issues for the league. However, its hard to your points seriously, when the complaints are so petty in nature.
You're missing the point. That was an example of how corrupt the NBA is. They don't care about the game, they care about money and that's it. It's hard for me to care about a game when it seems like both the players and owners/people in charge care only about how much money they're all making.
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Heat is a proper noun? Bulls is a proper noun?
No, they are not. The Chicago Bulls is a team name and proper noun. "Bulls" is not.
Regardless, if you're going to make that argument then they shouldn't be doing the "Spanish" jerseys at all then. But then that's a missed revenue opportunity and we all know, making money > playing basketball.
You're missing the point. That was an example of how corrupt the NBA is. They don't care about the game, they care about money and that's it. It's hard for me to care about a game when it seems like both the players and owners/people in charge care only about how much money they're all making.
It's only corrupt if it purports to be anything else than what it is. The NBA doesn't pretend to be about anything but its product and the money that flows from it. Based on this logic, the NCAA, with its multi-billion revenues carried there under the guise of "amateurism" would be far more corrupt.
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Oh, I'm not saying the NCAA isn't extremely corrupt. It is. Disgustingly so. Despite that, though, I just actually enjoy watching NCAA basketball.
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Oh, I'm not saying the NCAA isn't extremely corrupt. It is. Disgustingly so. Despite that, though, I just actually enjoy watching NCAA basketball.
So pretty much the whole corrupt arguement means nothing, you just enjoy college basketball better.
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I'd like to see the NBA get rid of a few rules, as well.
1) The ability to advance the ball to midcourt on a timeout at the end of the game is just ridiculous.
Basically they are saying to the one team "you worked hard to score a basket, now we're going to reward the team you just scored on to allow them to go 52 feet instead of 94 feet, save them precious time". Only in the last two minutes, which makes it more absurd. Can you imagine in football if in the last 2 minutes you could call timeout and get an extra 10 or 20 yards just for doing that? Or in the 9th inning, they move the fences in 100 feet. Ridiculous rule trying to gin up end of game buzzer beaters and theatrics without benefiting the team that just had to work so hard to actually score.
2) Free throws should be 1 and 1...these are pros, why do they get 2 automatics
3) Traveling rules should be "may take two steps in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball." (Oh wait, that is the rule in the NBA....miracle when it is called)
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Free throws should be 1 and 1? Not sure I could get on board with that. Then aren't you are rewarding the team who fouled?
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I don't watch the NBA much...but are these rules still in effect:
a.Free throws: 3 to make 2....
b.If a team has not reached its limit of accumulated fouls, the first team foul in the last two minutes results in possession by the team fouled, and all subsequent fouls result in two free throws..
That being said...my 2 cents...It's obvious that the NBA has better talent, but I like watching the college game for 3 reasons:
vested interest in watching my alma mater play
Coaches have more of an impact-more types of offenses, defenses than your NBA games
The imperfection of the game, seeing more boneheaded plays, missed layups etc (hard to put into words...just my feelings)
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Chicos, agree with you on points 1 and 3.
I think the lack of traveling calls is the most egregious example of the NBA officiating people take exception to. Along with carrying.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSZGCfKvlTI
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I think you will find the majority of those here who despise the NBA are Bucks fans that have become disenfranchised with the NBA due to their club's horrid performances in recent years and lack of any superstars on their team.
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Free throws should be 1 and 1? Not sure I could get on board with that. Then aren't you are rewarding the team who fouled?
It works fine in the NCAA for 1 and 1 until you reach the bonus. I'd like to see something very similar.
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It works fine in the NCAA for 1 and 1 until you reach the bonus. I'd like to see something very similar.
1 and 1 is the bonus. 10 fouls get you to the double bonus.
Just so I have this clear. You love the 1 and 1 because it allows teams to foul intentionally and have an easier time coming from behind, but you hate the idea of taking possession in the front court following a time out because it gives a team an easier time coming from behind. Something tells me that no matter what you would "like" the "fair"college rule and "hate" the "unfair" pro rule even if they were reversed.
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1 and 1 is the bonus. 10 fouls get you to the double bonus.
Just so I have this clear. You love the 1 and 1 because it allows teams to foul intentionally and have an easier time coming from behind, but you hate the idea of taking possession in the front court following a time out because it gives a team an easier time coming from behind. Something tells me that no matter what you would "like" the "fair"college rule and "hate" the "unfair" pro rule even if they were reversed.
That's what I meant...the double bonus.
I find it more than a bit interesting that a college kid, when they reach the bonus has to make the first to earn the second, yet a pro gets 2 shots automatically after reaching the bonus. Then again, why should we be surprised since this is the same league that used to give the pros three shots to make two. Let me repeat that, the PROFESSIONALS were given three free throw shots so they could make two...a "do over" in case they missed it. While we are at it, the pro also gets 6 fouls, another joke.
Now, the comparison between that and the midcourt inbound rule and the bonus...please. They are not even close to the same. We're talking real estate, moving the ball up 52 feet because why? Because a timeout was called? That is a joke. If you make your free throws down the stretch, even in a bonus situation, you still can put away your opponent. On the midcourt rule, you have given up half the court because of no fault of your own....just because. A. HUGE. DIFFERENCE.
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Free throws should be 1 and 1? Not sure I could get on board with that. Then aren't you are rewarding the team who fouled?
I think, correct me if I'm wrong, but he means shooting fouls should be 1 and 1, assuming you're not in the double bonus.
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First off, why didn't you end your statement with IMO? ;)
Let's try it this way, Lenny. In college, you can run an offense like the Swing or the Princeton offense that relies on a lot of passing, cuts, etc that typically requires more time.
Except no one really runs those offenses any longer. Most of the college offenses these days are dribble drive or some variation that includes a pick and roll. The diversity that you suggest just doesn't really exist.
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College bball actually has defense in it.
Oh dear God...please tell me this is in teal. You don't think the NBA players play defense???
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Facts? I've watched plenty of NBA games with lazy "defense"...barely jumping for shot block attempts, no press whatsoever (full-, three-quarters- or even half-court). I can't think of a single time that I've seen a trap set in an NBA game. I can't think of a time I've ever seen a team play a single inbound the way Louisville plays them (tenacious, full-court press).
Do those things happen? I'm sure they do. Just so infrequently that they may as well not. And that NBA defense that's so incredible yet somehow allows games to go well over 100 points? So without defense, games would be 230-217? Please. Throwing your hand up 5 feet away from someone taking a shot doesn't constitute as defense.
The NBA has gotten so lazy and so focused on superstars it has forgotten its roots. I try every season to get into the NBA because basketball is my favorite sport without a doubt and every year, I'm bored by the second week of the season because no one on the court seems to care enough about the game to actually play it. And all the rule changes from college designed to get the game higher-scoring and to let players get away with murder are just ridiculous.
I find the NBA a joke and a mockery of basketball.
This has got to be one of the most moronic statements I have read about basketball...and frankly it puts everything you say on the subject of basketball in doubt.
The reason that you don't see presses or traps is not because they are lazy...but because they don't work at that level. Pitino tried it when he was coaching - and it failed miserably because the ball handling and passing is 800 times better than it is in college.
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Except no one really runs those offenses any longer. Most of the college offenses these days are dribble drive or some variation that includes a pick and roll. The diversity that you suggest just doesn't really exist.
That's just not true
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I prefer college basketball to the NBA, but it is games such as this one that make me realize that the NBA is better basketball. 36-33 Final score? thats just pathetic.
http://espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=310700275
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I think, correct me if I'm wrong, but he means shooting fouls should be 1 and 1, assuming you're not in the double bonus.
Actually, shooting fouls should be same, 2 shots (or 3 on a 3 point attempt). It's the bonus vs double bonus where I question things. The NBA doesn't have a double bonus, they go right into the bonus and reward 2 shots. I'd rather see them go into a 1 and 1 and institute a double bonus criteria, or just keep all non-shooting fouls at 1 and 1 with no double bonus.
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This has got to be one of the most moronic statements I have read about basketball...and frankly it puts everything you say on the subject of basketball in doubt.
Good. I want to add nothing but fear, uncertainty and doubt to your life...especially in regards to basketball.
I hate the NBA. I stand by my opinions and what I've said in this thread and it's highly unlikely you or anyone else is going to change my mind. Deal with it. Or don't. I honestly care about it as much as any given NBA game on any given night.
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Good. I want to add nothing but fear, uncertainty and doubt to your life...especially in regards to basketball.
I hate the NBA. I stand by my opinions and what I've said in this thread and it's highly unlikely you or anyone else is going to change my mind. Deal with it. Or don't. I honestly care about it as much as any given NBA game on any given night.
Well if you want to continue to be ignorant...and think stuff like "laziness = not pressing" as a legitimate basketball thought...go ahead.
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That's just not true
What's not true? Who runs the Princeton offense? Who runs the Swing? Teams run elements of those offenses, but they look more and more like NBA offenses all the time. And NBA teams add the elements of college offenses as well.
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I don't watch the NBA much...but are these rules still in effect:
a.Free throws: 3 to make 2....
b.If a team has not reached its limit of accumulated fouls, the first team foul in the last two minutes results in possession by the team fouled, and all subsequent fouls result in two free throws..
a. That was for shooting fouls and went away a long time ago - early 80s I believe.
b. yes...something like that.
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NBA should play make it-take it.
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Only people who argue for the sake of arguing would say college is better basketball than the NBA because of minute differences in rules. I would suggest those making that argument should tune into the WNBA since you think basketball played with much less speed, talent, athleticism, and skill is better.
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Well if you want to continue to be ignorant...and think stuff like "laziness = not pressing" as a legitimate basketball thought...go ahead.
I didn't think I needed your permission but now that I know I have it, I will. Thank you. Thank you so much!
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The reason a lot of us older guys love Magic and Larry Bird is because they brought competitiveness back to the NBA. The NBA regular season in the 70s was a lot of coked-up dudes going through the motions. I think the image of NBA guys not playing defense goes back to the 70s. It's not that way at all now.
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Here's the difference though... people here aren't knocking college basketball by saying that the NBA game is better. We all clearly enjoy the college game, or we wouldn't be here. If given the choice, I'll watch a college game 9 times out of 10. But the reasons aren't because of the play, it's because of tradition/atmosphere/pageantry/etc.
What you are doing is spewing nonsense about the NBA that simply isn't true. They absolutely play defense, and at a high level. There is more iso play, but there's definitely team offense. A shot that takes a college team 8 passes to get, they get in 2 or 3. It's just the speed of the game, and superior talent on the floor.
Agree with this.
I think you could argue NBA vs college is more talent vs. strategy. A lot of strategies (like full court pressure) are useless in the NBA because of the talent of the opposition. Mostly, in the NBA, the best team wins, and while that is as it should be, it takes away some of the excitement.
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NBA
NBA is like an orchestra of the finest musicians. They are clearly the most talented, and they make beautiful music. Even if you don't like classical music, you can respect how good they are. They are almost perfect.
NCAA
Is a rockband playing in a small club. The acoustics might not be great. The crowd is too rowdy to hear that well, and the guitar player makes some mistakes. It's imperfect, and that's part of the fun.
You can enjoy both. You can enjoy one more than the other.
What you can't do is pretend that the orchestra guys aren't more talented musicians. They just are.
Doesn't mean it's more entertaining, but they are better.
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Agree with this.
I think you could argue NBA vs college is more talent vs. strategy. A lot of strategies (like full court pressure) are useless in the NBA because of the talent of the opposition. Mostly, in the NBA, the best team wins, and while that is as it should be, it takes away some of the excitement.
I see people say stuff like this all the time, they're better so they can't apply full court pressure. Or they're better so they have the ball more and should get fouled more.
That is all logically inconsistent. If they are better at beating a full-court pressure, they should be better at applying pressure.
If they are handling the ball more and shooting it more it is because they are better and can create more space to get off a good shot. More space means less contact means LESS fouls.
I love how people on here claim that the NBA has to be better basketball because of skill. Everyone agreed that the NBA has faster, more athletic more talented players and would beat any college team.
That has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the basketball product. Basketball is a team sport in its most pure form. The NBA has team elements, pick and roll, but is largely not a team sport anymore. Its a star driven league with star treatment, referees have admitted they treat the stars differently.
The world can perfectly coexist with people correctly believing the NBA is better basketball and people correctly believing College basketball is better basketball. It is not something that can be proven one way or another, so acting all high and mighty telling people that they don't know basketball is frankly childish.
**Note the reference to not knowing basketball is not remotely targeted at CTwarrior, just wanted to comment on the full court issue so included his quote.
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NBA
NBA is like an orchestra of the finest musicians. They are clearly the most talented, and they make beautiful music. Even if you don't like classical music, you can respect how good they are. They are almost perfect.
NCAA
Is a rockband playing in a small club. The acoustics might not be great. The crowd is too rowdy to hear that well, and the guitar player makes some mistakes. It's imperfect, and that's part of the fun.
You can enjoy both. You can enjoy one more than the other.
What you can't do is pretend that the orchestra guys aren't more talented musicians. They just are.
Doesn't mean it's more entertaining, but they are better.
That's true, but no one's arguing the NBA doesn't have more talent.
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What's not true? Who runs the Princeton offense? Who runs the Swing? Teams run elements of those offenses, but they look more and more like NBA offenses all the time. And NBA teams add the elements of college offenses as well.
We will agree to disagree. When you said no one runs those offenses, I disagree. There are schools that run those offenses as their central philosophy, of course they can deviate and put wrinkles in, etc, but there are schools that want to force you to play defense for 25 to 30 seconds before they ultimately attempt to score. Not every possession, you take what the defense gives you, but there are schools that still play this style.
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We will agree to disagree. When you said no one runs those offenses, I disagree. There are schools that run those offenses as their central philosophy, of course they can deviate and put wrinkles in, etc, but there are schools that want to force you to play defense for 25 to 30 seconds before they ultimately attempt to scores. Not every possession, you take what the defense gives you, but there are schools that still play this style.
So you like watching UW and Georgetown, who run variations of the swing and Princeton rather than the Dukes, N Carolinas, Louisville, etc who run ugly ass pro offenses (pick and roll, drive and dish, etc). Nothing like a good old 40-39 stem winder!
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So you like watching UW and Georgetown, who run variations of the swing and Princeton rather than the Dukes, N Carolinas, Louisville, etc who run ugly ass pro offenses (pick and roll, drive and dish, etc). Nothing like a good old 40-39 stem winder!
I like the fact there is enough flexibility with a 35 second shot clock to run different kinds of offense to get the job done. That's one of the problems, IMO, with the NBA. By the time they cross the mid court line and start the offense, there is 16 seconds of so....not a ton of time with not a ton of options. At the college level, if they were to go to that shorter time slot, it would result in poorer shot selection, more sloppy basketball, etc. The college kids just aren't as good to make that work.
Didn't we score 39 against Syracuse a few weeks ago?
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I like the fact there is enough flexibility with a 35 second shot clock to run different kinds of offense to get the job done. That's one of the problems, IMO, with the NBA. By the time they cross the mid court line and start the offense, there is 16 seconds of so....not a ton of time with not a ton of options. At the college level, if they were to go to that shorter time slot, it would result in poorer shot selection, more sloppy basketball, etc. The college kids just aren't as good to make that work.
Didn't we score 39 against Syracuse a few weeks ago?
Like. If the NCAA goes to 30 then I'd like to see a defensive three second rule as well.
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NBA
NBA is like an orchestra of the finest musicians. They are clearly the most talented, and they make beautiful music. Even if you don't like classical music, you can respect how good they are. They are almost perfect.
NCAA
Is a rockband playing in a small club. The acoustics might not be great. The crowd is too rowdy to hear that well, and the guitar player makes some mistakes. It's imperfect, and that's part of the fun.
You can enjoy both. You can enjoy one more than the other.
What you can't do is pretend that the orchestra guys aren't more talented musicians. They just are.
Doesn't mean it's more entertaining, but they are better.
Your analogy works, but I'd tweak it a little. I'd compare it more to this:
The NBA is like listening to the studio album of your favorite band. Everything is in timing sync and harmony as its supposed to be, it is finely produced to listener expectations, and the song sounds "perfect." Its enjoyable, but somewhat predictable and not as exciting. The sound is commercialized and edited to meet expectations of the studio, producers, radio companies and other mass media. The album's ultimate goal is to sell copies and make money.
The NCAA is like seeing said band live. They might not sound as "good" as their studio album, but its way more exciting, less predictable, and most importantly, more authentic. While there is a profit element involved, it does not directly influence the music as heavily as the studio album.
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I like the fact there is enough flexibility with a 35 second shot clock to run different kinds of offense to get the job done. That's one of the problems, IMO, with the NBA. By the time they cross the mid court line and start the offense, there is 16 seconds of so....not a ton of time with not a ton of options. At the college level, if they were to go to that shorter time slot, it would result in poorer shot selection, more sloppy basketball, etc. The college kids just aren't as good to make that work.
Didn't we score 39 against Syracuse a few weeks ago?
Again, if you like watching the teams that consistently use the "flexibility" afforded by the 35 second clock (UW, Georgetown, Northwestern, Seton Hall) more than the teams to whom the 35 second clock is rarely an issue (Indiana, Louisville, Duke, North Carolina) that's fine, though I don't share that preference. Most slowball teams (Georgetown is a notable exception) play that way because they have to - limiting possessions is the goal, not running some complex offense that breaks down a defense after 30+ seconds. UW is a great example. Their basic recipe is hold the ball for 30 seconds, take a 3 and hope to rebound it if you miss. If you cut the shot clock down to 30, they'll hold it for 25. Expand it to 60 and they'll hold it for 55. If that's what floats your entertainment boat fine, but don't make it out to be something it isn't.
And yes, we did score 39 against Syracuse (highest scoring team in college basketball scored 50 against them a couple of days earlier). Both games were borderline unwatchable to anyone not decked out in Orange. OTOH, 8 days later Louisville and Michigan played a riveting game for the national championship in which the shot clock was incidental. Coincidence? Hardly.
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That's entirely the point. Some teams play that way because they do have to, because they don't have the athletes or skilled position players to compete in a run up and down type game. That's one of the beauties of college basketball and how a Harvard can win a game in the NCAAs or how Princeton can beat UCLA, etc, etc.
You shorten the clock, you take away more upsets, more diversity of play because time is so compromised that fewer and fewer options present themselves.
39 points can be scored by good teams and teams that aren't quite as good....also not a coincidence. The implication that someone likes to watch slowdown basketball as a result of poor play or lack of talent was a stretch on your part as we all know even talented teams can score 39 (or 50) on any given night.
I suggest we start a thread that is titled "How did Marquette only score 39 points against Syracuse?" Then we could have one, "How did an Elite 8 team lose to UWGB?" And on and on....sometimes the answer is the most simple (they played poorly that game, or shot poorly that game, or the other team shot out of their minds, unless hyperbolic agendas are involved and then anything goes).