http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/9125796/practice-video-shows-rutgers-basketball-coach-mike-rice-berated-pushed-used-slurs-players
Wow, can't wait to see the entire Outside The Lines episode on this one. Attached is a short preview and writeup.
That will not help recruiting.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 02, 2013, 02:30:27 PM
That will not help recruiting.
Yeah, a head coach that throws basketballs at player's heads and calls them a bunch of gay slurs probably isn't going to win a lot of recruiting battles.
Good for the BigTen.
Buzz to Rutgers
Quote from: Pakuni on April 02, 2013, 02:30:27 PM
That will not help recruiting.
Well, I wouldn't be so sure about that.
Quote from: Terror Skink on April 02, 2013, 02:33:58 PM
Yeah, a head coach that throws basketballs at player's heads and calls them a bunch of gay slurs probably isn't going to win a lot of recruiting battles.
Why would you say that?
Rutgers seems to have issues with hiring basketball coaches who can properly motivate and discipline young men
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Bannon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Bannon)
and
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/03/21/sports/college-basketball-bannon-under-fire-and-mired-in-last-is-out-at-rutgers.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2001/03/21/sports/college-basketball-bannon-under-fire-and-mired-in-last-is-out-at-rutgers.html)
Rice's mentor?
(http://cheapseat.blogs.starnewsonline.com/files/2013/02/Mike-Deane.jpg)
Don't mistake what I'm about to say, because I think that's awful...
But if were a real problem with players, wouldn't more of them have transferred? How does he reign in talent like Harrison?
Also, there's no way he keeps his job after this article/video, right?
Edit: I'm dumb
Rice and the AD need to be fired on this one. No room for that kind of behavior in real life let alone sports.
Quote from: jesmu84 on April 02, 2013, 03:19:13 PM
Don't mistake what I'm about to say, because I think that's awful...
But if were a real problem with players, wouldn't more of them have transferred? How does he reign in talent like Harrison?
Harrison is on St John's, this is Rutgers and there is no way this is ever ok. This is like 1960's drill sergeant behavior, totally unacceptable. Suspend players, make them run sprints, assign school work...anything but physical assault.
Quote from: jesmu84 on April 02, 2013, 03:19:13 PM
Don't mistake what I'm about to say, because I think that's awful...
But if were a real problem with players, wouldn't more of them have transferred? How does he reign in talent like Harrison?
Also, there's no way he keeps his job after this article/video, right?
What talent like Harrison??
Quote from: NYWarrior on April 02, 2013, 03:08:55 PM
Rutgers seems to have issues with hiring basketball coaches who can properly motivate and discipline young men
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Bannon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Bannon)
and
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/03/21/sports/college-basketball-bannon-under-fire-and-mired-in-last-is-out-at-rutgers.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2001/03/21/sports/college-basketball-bannon-under-fire-and-mired-in-last-is-out-at-rutgers.html)
Let's not forget Fred Hill:
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/rutgers-basketball-coach-fred-hill-hot-water-outburst-knights-baseball-game-article-1.168442
can't be true...chico's ain't that your boy?
had a coach like that...i wasn't a tough guy by any means, but if i ever felt like someone was trying to push me around on the court i wouldn't stand for it. the coach never went after me in the same fashion as some of the other kids...also left the players with similar mentalities as me a lone. when he was called out for it, he said he didn't have to come after us because we were already men. was a complete crock...he just went after the kids that he knew wouldn't fight back. wonder if rice is the same way. those kids could have laid him out, and there would have been nothing he could do about it.
it's always a fine line, as al would get into it with players, but when you'd talk to al about it, he'd say he did it to players that he knew would come back at him.
AD made a statement backing Rice. Said it was an internal issue and handled. Well, now it is an external issue and they are getting absolutely killed in the media. Once boosters see this stuff, the game changes.
Who gives it a week till gone?
Quote from: nyg on April 02, 2013, 04:55:07 PM
AD made a statement backing Rice. Said it was an internal issue and handled. Well, now it is an external issue and they are getting absolutely killed in the media. Once boosters see this stuff, the game changes.
Who gives it a week till gone?
Not a chance it takes that long. If the pres of the University has any stones, Rice and the AD are gone tomorrow.
I wonder if he did this kind of stuff at Robert Morris as well?
Not saying this behavior is acceptable but I bet it happens from at least a dozen d-1 coaches. My hs football coach was like this minus the ball throwing. He lasted a long long time before getting let go and coaching somewhere else.
I don't think some of the grabbing is as bad as the video looks because you see coaches do that all the time to get players to hit a spot aggressively. That said if this is what was caught on tape, I could only imagine the locker room after a loss.
So, is Rice a leader or a legend?
Quote from: Terror Skink on April 02, 2013, 05:10:27 PM
I wonder if he did this kind of stuff at Robert Morris as well?
Totally OT... you've gotta be the only one over 10000 posts, right? What's your total time logged in?
Quote from: mu03eng on April 02, 2013, 03:19:40 PM
Rice and the AD need to be fired on this one. No room for that kind of behavior in real life let alone sports.
This used to be a great country. The strongest steel is forged in the hottest fire and hardest anvil.
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Quote from: keefe on April 02, 2013, 05:33:57 PM
This used to be a great country. The strongest steel is forged in the hottest fire and hardest anvil.
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Buzz says it better...
"It's not what you've achieved, it's what you've overcome."
Quote from: keefe on April 02, 2013, 05:33:57 PM
This used to be a great country. The strongest steel is forged in the hottest fire and hardest anvil.
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Because playing college basketball is exactly like training for war.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 02, 2013, 05:43:49 PM
Because playing college basketball is exactly like training for war.
Finally, you get it.
Quote from: jesmu84 on April 02, 2013, 05:31:11 PM
Totally OT... you've gotta be the only one over 10000 posts, right? What's your total time logged in?
No...Chicos has 13,000. One of the reasons I post a lot is that I do a lot of writing for my job...and everytime I'm stuck on something, I usually come here or some other message board. It kick starts my brain a lot.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 02, 2013, 05:43:49 PM
Because playing college basketball is exactly like training for war.
Unquestioned valor and iron discipline forged a nation
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Simple citizens fought tyranny for liberty
(http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~arcrawfo/military/images/Civil-war-batt.jpg)
An imperfect Union was cleansed with the blood of patriots
(http://i.imgur.com/wNMNb.jpg)
Common men rose to uncommon heights
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And the tree of freedom continues to be watered with the blood, sweat and tears of young men and women who define nobility...
Sacrifices made so that...
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Everyone can get a trophy
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Everyone can feel special
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And everyone is a winner
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He would be horrified at what passes for values today
Quote from: MURFC on April 02, 2013, 05:42:17 PM
Buzz says it better...
"It's not what you've achieved, it's what you've overcome."
Yeah......but he doesn't use photos of Marines to get his point across. Buzz could learn a few things from Keefer.
Quote from: keefe on April 02, 2013, 05:33:57 PM
This used to be a great country. The strongest steel is forged in the hottest fire and hardest anvil.
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS0IKpKIdTOsMTLWwmwDnayp39xuFnHXndD9X9nI5JZQFHpBUI0)
Really? Comparing OCS to basketball is ridiculous. One is a sport for entertainment. One requires the trial by fire and mental strength to survive and succeed under the highest level of duress. Coaches may like to say "going to war" and such, but to compare a Smokey to a Coach is dumb. Apples and oranges.
Quote from: keefe on April 02, 2013, 05:33:57 PM
This used to be a great country. The strongest steel is forged in the hottest fire and hardest anvil.
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you're kidding, right?
Quote from: StillWarriors on April 02, 2013, 05:07:58 PM
Not a chance it takes that long. If the pres of the University has any stones, Rice and the AD are gone tomorrow.
Being the off-season and Rutgers basketball, I don't think it will last too long.
Quote from: T-Bone on April 02, 2013, 04:08:05 PM
Let's not forget Fred Hill:
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/rutgers-basketball-coach-fred-hill-hot-water-outburst-knights-baseball-game-article-1.168442
Beat me to it. I remember reading about this when it happened. Had to be one of the funniest and bizarre stories out of the Big EAst. Hill was in the stands screaming insults at the Pitt players and coaches. Made me think he was sick.
AD now back peddling. Gov. Christie just blasted Rice and since Rutgers a state school, only a matter of time now.
Quote from: nyg on April 02, 2013, 08:34:23 PM
AD now back peddling. Gov. Christie just blasted Rice and since Rutgers a state school, only a matter of time now.
yup...ray allen and labron james adding their 2 cents as well. they have to fire him...no way in hell he'll be able to recruit.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9127047/rutgers-scarlet-knights-ad-reviewing-mike-rice-job-wake-video
The Rutger's fans already have their new coach lined up. Ben Howland is #1 on wish list and sports talk.
Quote from: nyg on April 02, 2013, 09:03:51 PM
The Rutger's fans already have their new coach lined up. Ben Howland is #1 on wish list and sports talk.
would be a great option for them, and howland's probably in a place where he's looking to take another job and remain loyal.
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on April 02, 2013, 05:25:51 PM
Not saying this behavior is acceptable but I bet it happens from at least a dozen d-1 coaches. My hs football coach was like this minus the ball throwing. He lasted a long long time before getting let go and coaching somewhere else.
I don't think some of the grabbing is as bad as the video looks because you see coaches do that all the time to get players to hit a spot aggressively. That said if this is what was caught on tape, I could only imagine the locker room after a loss.
My high school football coach used to do all kinds of bat$hit stuff, but that was nearly 40 years ago. Not sure too many can get away with this now, with parents hovering and kids just not willing to take it anymore. No HS principal would put up with it, nor should a college president.
The days of the Bobby Knights of the coaching world choking kids just because they feel like it are over -- or at least they should be.
I heard Rice is on his way to meet friends for some jet skiing on the Colorado River.
Quote from: nyg on April 02, 2013, 08:34:23 PM
AD now back peddling. Gov. Christie just blasted Rice and since Rutgers a state school, only a matter of time now.
Maybe Tice can get his old job back tending bar at Hegarty's?
dust off that resume Mikey....BTW - did he learn this stuff from Mr. Deane during his stay at MU?
Amazing how media shifts human mindset on what right and wrong is as time goes by.
In 80 years raising your voice and yelling at refs and young adult athletes will be considered abuse, causing gasps of horror.
Quote from: Stone Cold on April 03, 2013, 12:23:29 AM
Amazing how media shifts human mindset on what right and wrong is as time goes by.
In 80 years raising your voice and yelling at refs and young adult athletes will be considered abuse, causing gasps of horror.
I may be a youngblood, but I'm pretty sure that the physical abuse of kids has always been pretty much frowned upon...
Quote from: Stone Cold on April 03, 2013, 12:23:29 AM
Amazing how media shifts human mindset on what right and wrong is as time goes by.
In 80 years raising your voice and yelling at refs and young adult athletes will be considered abuse, causing gasps of horror.
This used to be a great country...
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America, Circa 2030
Quote from: JakeBarnes on April 03, 2013, 12:26:51 AM
I may be a youngblood, but I'm pretty sure that the physical abuse of kids has always been pretty much frowned upon...
"physical abuse of kids"....that line is good, "think of the children!". these are adults though. I see teammates celebrating more rough house than that.
Quote from: keefe on April 03, 2013, 12:29:23 AM
This used to be a great country...
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America, Circa 2030
my cock clogs the drain hole if I try to sit.
Quote from: Stone Cold on April 03, 2013, 12:41:39 AM
my cock clogs the drain hole if I try to sit.
Bowl Choker?
literally starts curling around the bowl.
(http://weeklyworldnews.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/toilet_snakes2.jpg?w=375&h=200)
Quote from: Stone Cold on April 03, 2013, 12:37:13 AM
"physical abuse of kids"....that line is good. these are adults though. I see teammates celebrating more rough house than that.
Ok fine: battery is also frowned upon (both for adults and children). There is an intent portion there. Those celebrations don't have that intent to harm... Rice's actions did.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on April 03, 2013, 12:46:59 AM
Ok fine: battery is also frowned upon (both for adults and children). There is an intent portion there. Those celebrations don't have that intent to harm... Rice's actions did.
Rice may be a real puss so I don't know but I'd hope he could do more damage if he wanted to harm other adults.
I'm not saying it's good or bad if you just look at the progression it's interesting. Some kids aren't allowed to be given timeouts or detentions anymore because parents don't approve. Interesting that's all.
Quote from: Stone Cold on April 03, 2013, 12:51:27 AM
Rice may be a real puss so I don't know but I'd hope he could do more damage if he wanted to harm other adults.
I'm not saying it's good or bad if you just look at the progression it's interesting. Some kids aren't allowed to be given timeouts or detentions anymore because parents don't approve. Interesting that's all.
Not being given timeouts or detentions is not equal to throwing balls at peoples heads, shoving people, screaming in their face that they are worthless pieces of crap, etc. Look, the former may be the beginning or progression of the pussification of America, but the latter are just affronts to another's person. We talk on this board about these "kids" (most of whom are from single parent homes that don't have strong or any male role models) and how proud we are of Buzz to gain the trust of both these student athletes and their parents; to see him serve in one of the roles that is most relied on in our society for protecting children: as an educator. Rice completely abused that trust by acting in an inappropriate manner.
So rant all you want about how we need to stop giving out participation trophies and toughen up our parental discipline standards and tolerance. That's not what I am talking about when I talk about the actions of "Coach" Rice.
Edit: Rice had an intent to harm. Whether or not he is a "puss" is irrelevant. The "I hope he would do more damage if he tried" argument is just fucking stupid. Domestic abusers could "cause more damage" too, but they usually prefer to not get caught, so they make sure it's hidden. Your dick measuring contest of machismo on the progression of violence is getting out of hand.
Quote from: Avenue Commons on April 02, 2013, 10:37:51 PM
I heard Rice is on his way to meet friends for some jet skiing on the Colorado River.
The Colorado River Summit
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too much a$$ can get out of hand.
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Quote from: Stone Cold on April 03, 2013, 12:46:25 AM
literally starts curling around the bowl.
(http://weeklyworldnews.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/toilet_snakes2.jpg?w=375&h=200)
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Gotta love a woman who wants to get her hands on a steelhead
Quote from: Stone Cold on April 03, 2013, 01:14:36 AM
too much a$$ can get out of hand.
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Not for BeeJay
Mike n mike just led with it. Not good for rice's job.
Tim Pernetti got his ass handed to him in a hat by Jermey Schapp on OTL. Saw the replay last night and after that you just know Rice is getting fired. Why try and salvage a complete tool who has a losing record? Makes no sense and that is why Rutgers will continue to suck until they make a complete overhaul.
Not to mention, Govenor Christi weighed in with an opinion too.
Quote from: muhoops1 on April 03, 2013, 08:39:35 AM
Tim Pernetti got his ass handed to him in a hat by Jermey Schapp on OTL. Saw the replay last night and after that you just know Rice is getting fired. Why try and salvage a complete tool who has a losing record? Makes no sense and that is why Rutgers will continue to suck until they make a complete overhaul.
Not to mention, Govenor Christi weighed in with an opinion too.
AD Pernetti meeting with Rice this morning. Firing Rice is the only option now, as there's no way he'd be able to recruit high-major and NCAA Tournament caliber players to that program. Unfortunately for Pernetti, he may be too late and I wouldn't be surprised to see his job threatened too.
Quote@Record_Tara: Axe about to fall. Source confirms Rutgers players told in early morning hours that Mike Rice will be fired.
Quote from: muhoops1 on April 03, 2013, 08:39:35 AM
Not to mention, Govenor Christi weighed in with an opinion too.
I see what you did there.
Quote from: slack00 on April 03, 2013, 08:45:01 AM
AD Pernetti meeting with Rice this morning. Firing Rice is the only option now, as there's no way he'd be able to recruit high-major and NCAA Tournament caliber players to that program. Unfortunately for Pernetti, he may be too late and I wouldn't be surprised to see his job threatened too.
Why is that unfortunate?
Mike Rice let go....This should've been done immediately after seeing the video. The administration was definitely pressured after all the heat it got from the OTL report.
Quote from: avid1010 on April 02, 2013, 04:14:00 PM
can't be true...chico's ain't that your boy?
had a coach like that...i wasn't a tough guy by any means, but if i ever felt like someone was trying to push me around on the court i wouldn't stand for it. the coach never went after me in the same fashion as some of the other kids...also left the players with similar mentalities as me a lone. when he was called out for it, he said he didn't have to come after us because we were already men. was a complete crock...he just went after the kids that he knew wouldn't fight back. wonder if rice is the same way. those kids could have laid him out, and there would have been nothing he could do about it.
it's always a fine line, as al would get into it with players, but when you'd talk to al about it, he'd say he did it to players that he knew would come back at him.
I got along with Mike very well off the court, socially. Never saw him act this way on the court. Then again, I saw a few practices with KO, Bobby Knight, Roy, etc, that were right up there with this one...sans the ball throwing. Thank God cell phones with cameras didn't exist when KO was coach off the court and on the court.
Quote from: reinko on April 03, 2013, 09:28:23 AM
Why is that unfortunate?
It's unfortunate for him that he wasn't smart enough to make the firing in December and save his job.
Quote from: Terror Skink on April 02, 2013, 06:42:46 PM
No...Chicos has 13,000. One of the reasons I post a lot is that I do a lot of writing for my job...and everytime I'm stuck on something, I usually come here or some other message board. It kick starts my brain a lot.
Apparently you get stuck a lot. :)
Quote from: nyg on April 02, 2013, 09:03:51 PM
The Rutger's fans already have their new coach lined up. Ben Howland is #1 on wish list and sports talk.
Obviously since it's a Big Teen job they have their pick of any coach. That's what I learned from Minnesota last week.
Quote from: TJ on April 03, 2013, 12:07:50 PM
Obviously since it's a Big Teen job they have their pick of any coach. That's what I learned from Minnesota last week.
Coach K to Rutgers!
Quote from: TJ on April 03, 2013, 12:07:50 PM
Obviously since it's a Big Teen job they have their pick of any coach. That's what I learned from Minnesota last week.
They're already floating Chris Mack's name.
Quote from: slack00 on April 03, 2013, 11:10:58 AM
It's unfortunate for him that he wasn't smart enough to make the firing in December and save his job.
I don't see it. You feel unfortunate for someones bad judgement and stupidity?
Quote from: Stone Cold on April 03, 2013, 12:23:29 AM
Amazing how media shifts human mindset on what right and wrong is as time goes by.
In 80 years raising your voice and yelling at refs and young adult athletes will be considered abuse, causing gasps of horror.
Adam Carolla's book "In 50 Years, We Will All Be Chicks"
Quote from: reinko on April 03, 2013, 01:09:21 PM
I don't see it. You feel unfortunate for someones bad judgement and stupidity?
I feel unfortunate that you're hanging on that word. I don't "feel" anything for anyone at Rutgers. Let me start over:
If Pernetti would have fired Rice in December he wouldn't have any concerns about whether or not he loses his job.
I think this sums it up pretty good for those of us that worked with Mike in the past...a side we didn't know.
http://m.nydailynews.com/1.1306753#bmb=1
RELATED: HARVEY: DOES MIKE RICE BELONG IN JAIL?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 03, 2013, 10:39:17 AM
I got along with Mike very well off the court, socially. Never saw him act this way on the court. Then again, I saw a few practices with KO, Bobby Knight, Roy, etc, that were right up there with this one...sans the ball throwing. Thank God cell phones with cameras didn't exist when KO was coach off the court and on the court.
never attended a ko or bobby knight practice...they seem like jerks as well.
roy williams is a different story...saw a few of his practices, and the guy wouldn't even swear. he'd get on players, but a far stretch from what the rice video shows.
lute olson was really classy with his players, and i think that, among plenty of other things made KO unpopular at zona.
Quote from: avid1010 on April 03, 2013, 07:21:15 PM
never attended a ko or bobby knight practice...they seem like jerks as well.
roy williams is a different story...saw a few of his practices, and the guy wouldn't even swear. he'd get on players, but a far stretch from what the rice video shows.
lute olson was really classy with his players, and i think that, among plenty of other things made KO unpopular at zona.
Roy swears from time to time, not nearly as much as KO, but he had his moments.
http://www.youtube.com/v/wh4phpsvxMI
http://www.youtube.com/v/KvW0SGEqC5k
I think it will be interesting if Rice challenges this. The video that's floating around is what got him suspended in the first place, so maybe he can prove that he did tone it down with his antics. If that's the case then he may be able to get his job back by saying I was suspended for my actions and I did the sensitivity training and toned down my actions, how can i be fired for something i've already been penalized for. At a minimum he should get his 50k back.
Quote from: MUFanatic4 on April 04, 2013, 09:32:24 AM
I think it will be interesting if Rice challenges this. The video that's floating around is what got him suspended in the first place, so maybe he can prove that he did tone it down with his antics. If that's the case then he may be able to get his job back by saying I was suspended for my actions and I did the sensitivity training and toned down my actions, how can i be fired for something i've already been penalized for. At a minimum he should get his 50k back.
Not sure he'd get his job back, but he might be able to get a chunk of cash out of it.