Hooray, hooray the 5th Annual Freedom From Crean Day is here. Time to celebrate and give thanks. Take a day off from school or work and rejoice. He's the state of Indiana's problem now. Our alma mater is rid of the rabid, multiple personality, bathtub ring, aka Coach Tom Crean. Hallelujah!
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 01, 2013, 04:56:17 AM
Hooray, hooray the 5th Annual Freedom From Crean Day is here. Time to celebrate and give thanks. Take a day off from school or work and rejoice. He's the state of Indiana's problem now. Our alma mater is rid of the rabid, multiple personality, bathtub ring, aka Coach Tom Crean. Hallelujah!
Celebrating with quick handshakes and by drinking a case of diet coke.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 01, 2013, 04:56:17 AM
Hooray, hooray the 5th Annual Freedom From Crean Day is here. Time to celebrate and give thanks. Take a day off from school or work and rejoice. He's the state of Indiana's problem now. Our alma mater is rid of the rabid, multiple personality, bathtub ring, aka Coach Tom Crean. Hallelujah!
+1
Hallelujah!
The Yale-New Haven Hospital Smilow Cancer uses the BoDeans "Closer to Free" in their advertising. I'm eerily humming that song right now especially the flash mob version from their latest TV commercial.
Does this mean we can finally determine if Buzz has been successful?
I'm spending the day tweeting about Jesus and reading books on leadership and coaching. Gonna grab a quick tan and rub one out thinking about a Purdue player too.
Happy FFC Day!
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on April 01, 2013, 09:23:41 AM
I'm spending the day tweeting about Jesus and reading books on leadership and coaching. Gonna grab a quick tan and rub one out thinking about a Purdue player too.
Happy FFC Day!
LOVE THIS
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on April 01, 2013, 07:48:00 AM
Does this mean we can finally determine if Buzz has been successful?
Check with Chicos, Guns, et al on April 8. That will be the five year anniversary of the failed process/Buzz hiring. Until then, remain cautious.
From a Marquette alum perspective...couldn't be happier. Rebuilt the program, left us Buzz Williams.
From an Indiana alum perspective...couldn't be happier.... program no longer has the stench of massive drug use, kids failing classes and cheating throughout.
Worked out well for everyone
Free at last, free at last. Thank God Almighty, we're free at last.
I will never forget Crean's motto for the 2007-08 team which he put on the pocket-schedule... "One for all, all for one." I bet DJ, Jerel, and Wes didn't either while finding out the news on SportsCenter five years ago today.
You can't find character like that everyday. Thank you, Tom Crean.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 01, 2013, 09:50:50 AM
From a Marquette alum perspective...couldn't be happier. Rebuilt the program, left us Buzz Williams.
Actually, the idea that he "left us Buzz Williams" has been debunked recently. Buzz was on the recruiting trail when the news hit ESPN. When he walked into Crean's house, the rest of the staff was already assembled. "You're coming with me to Indiana", Crean told Buzz. Buzz immediately said, thanks but no thanks.
And it goes without saying that Crean's best move was leaving. It far trumps hiring Buzz, because Buzz would be far gone by now if he were an Assistant.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 01, 2013, 09:50:50 AM
Worked out well for everyone
+1. The jabs can be fun, but not sure why people get all sensitive. Every party involved bettered their situation.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 01, 2013, 09:31:41 AM
Check with Chicos, Guns, et al on April 8. That will be the five year anniversary of the failed process/Buzz hiring. Until then, remain cautious.
A few quotes from memory lane since you distort them so often....it might clear your head a bit. My issue was always that we could have had Buzz a week later and didn't have to get him in 3 days. A risky hire, nearly everyone agreed, and it worked out. Buzz wasn't going anywhere, so we could have seen other options. From day one after he was hired, I wished him nothing but success....he was leading my team, why the heck wouldn't I want him to.
Since you brought up the hiring date, yes let's take a look and blow another one of your ridiculous comments to Kingdom Come. Love the search function here. Someday I'll expect an apology, but I know it isn't coming from you anytime soon
"Let's hope he is "special"....to act as quickly as we did he
must be."
-Chicos, April 9th, 2008
Or this one
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=8507.msg69443#msg69443
Or this one
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=8533.msg69439#msg69439
Or this one
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=8572.msg69955#msg69955
Or this one
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=8506.msg69183#msg69183
Or this one
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=8660.msg71030#msg71030
Or this one
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=8691.msg71766#msg71766
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 01, 2013, 10:07:03 AM
Actually, the idea that he "left us Buzz Williams" has been debunked recently. Buzz was on the recruiting trail when the news hit ESPN. When he walked into Crean's house, the rest of the staff was already assembled. "You're coming with me to Indiana", Crean told Buzz. Buzz immediately said, thanks but no thanks.
No Tom Crean, no Buzz Williams at Marquette. He never spends a day in his life on the coaching staff at MU. PERIOD.
During the hiring process, Tom Crean pushed Buzz Williams for MU.
Continue on your life of delusion....it's entertaining...always entertaining.
Crean was a great stepping-stone hire for us, helped us arrive where we now want to be. You're the man Buzz!
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 01, 2013, 10:25:39 AM
During the hiring process, Tom Crean pushed Buzz Williams for MU.
Continue on your life of delusion....it's entertaining...always entertaining.
Right. First he he tried to poach him as an assistant and when Buzz turned him down he pushed for him to get the head job at MU. That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Another myth you've repeated countless times to mitigate Crean's treachery. The idea that Cottingham and Wild were even speaking to Crean between April 1 and April 8 is ludicrous. Please give sourced quotes to back up your claim.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 01, 2013, 10:25:39 AM
No Tom Crean, no Buzz Williams at Marquette. He never spends a day in his life on the coaching staff at MU. PERIOD.
During the hiring process, Tom Crean pushed Buzz Williams for MU.
Continue on your life of delusion....it's entertaining...always entertaining.
I am sure that Wild said to Cottingham, "Wait, let's get Tom's input on our next coaching hire!"
That piece of fiction is laughable. They gave Crean's thoughts as much consideration as that jacka$$ gave them in his leaving. Like Crean's players, his bosses heard about his departure through ESPN. May Crean rot in whatever personal hell he inhabits.
April 1, 2008 Tom Crean reveals he's a punk and sneaks out of Milwaukee without saying his good byes or informing his boss. Where were you when you found out?
I didn't find out until that evening but I was drunk and eating domino's pizza.
Can't believe it's been 5 years already, time flies when you're having more success than Indiana.
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Already started...
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=38059.0
Good. Can always count of 4ever.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 01, 2013, 09:31:41 AM
Check with Chicos, Guns, et al on April 8. That will be the five year anniversary of the failed process/Buzz hiring. Until then, remain cautious.
I'm not going to dig up 5 year old posts to make my case, but I think a lot of us were disappointed in the process. I know I was. We thought we were worthy of a coach with a big name. We didn't get one. Obviously that was a letdown. I recall the sentiment of this board being concerned but willing to give the benefit of the doubt. Not many people really wanted to condemn the hire, just the process.
Either somebody involved saw something special 5 years ago, or we got very very lucky. I don't care which it is. He's our coach.
5 years later, Buzz and the program have been better than I could have imagined. I wouldn't trade him for any coach in the game, and I mean that. His abilities (recruiting & coaching), his attitude, his personality, and his priorities are fantastic for Marquette. He took the job without a name and has created one for himself.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 01, 2013, 09:31:41 AM
Check with Chicos, Guns, et al on April 8. That will be the five year anniversary of the failed process/Buzz hiring. Until then, remain cautious.
I wasn't one of the "process" guys. I may have commented on it, but I wasn't one of the guys who repeatedly posted about it.
I AM however a 5 year guy, and I'll wear that badge proudly. I don't really get why that is a negative.
"And I hope that everything gets done in their lives that they set forth and to help all of us get done in our lives and helped us with."
-Indiana University Sweet 16 Head Coach Tom Crean
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 01, 2013, 09:50:50 AM
From a Marquette alum perspective...couldn't be happier. Rebuilt the program, left us Buzz Williams.
From an Indiana alum perspective...couldn't be happier.... program no longer has the stench of massive drug use, kids failing classes and cheating throughout.
Worked out well for everyone
There are not too many win win's in the world, but this is one of them.
Quote from: keefe on April 01, 2013, 10:51:15 AM
I am sure that Wild said to Cottingham, "Wait, let's get Tom's input on our next coaching hire!"
That piece of fiction is laughable. They gave Crean's thoughts as much consideration as that jacka$$ gave them in his leaving. Like Crean's players, his bosses heard about his departure through ESPN. May Crean rot in whatever personal hell he inhabits.
Tom Crean's name was and is mud among the powers that be at Marquette. There's a reason he was scared to tell anyone that he was leaving and he left under the cover of darkness. He let down a lot of people that were very decent to him.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 01, 2013, 10:25:39 AM
No Tom Crean, no Buzz Williams at Marquette. He never spends a day in his life on the coaching staff at MU. PERIOD.
To say with absolute fact that without Crean, Buzz would never have ended in up at Marquette some way/some how, is wrong. It's certainly improbable, but not impossible.
Quote from: Avenue Commons on April 01, 2013, 12:15:15 PM
"And I hope that everything gets done in their lives that they set forth and to help all of us get done in our lives and helped us with."
-Indiana University Sweet 16 Head Coach Tom Crean
Setting forth to laugh at my desk to help my desk help get laughs.
Quote from: Avenue Commons on April 01, 2013, 12:15:15 PM
"And I hope that everything gets done in their lives that they set forth and to help all of us get done in our lives and helped us with."
-Sweet 16 Head Coach Tom Crean of Indiana University
FIFY
Quote from: Avenue Commons on April 01, 2013, 12:29:08 PM
Tom Crean's name was and is mud among the powers that be at Marquette. There's a reason he was scared to tell anyone that he was leaving and he left under the cover of darkness. He let down a lot of people that were very decent to him.
Here's the article from the time--Wild told the JS at the time that while he didn't like the way Crean left, he also said it "was not characteristic of the man as I dealt with him over the years".
BTW, quote doesn't sound like a man talking about an employee who's name was "mud" around campus:
"We were very happy with him," Wild said. "We had had a good year and he carried us within a hair of the third round of the NCAA. We liked Tom and we were happy with his overall performance. I think in many ways it wasn't a money issue. We all felt there were a handful of programs, really, that had a long tradition and established programs and I think Indiana might make that case. They've fallen on hard times, so in some ways it was easier to go in there when the times are harder. But that's speculation on my part."
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/31869314.html
Did you expect Fr. Wild to come out and say that he couldn't stand Crean and thought he was a prick?! He handled questions with class as one would expect of a University president.
Quote from: The Equalizer on April 01, 2013, 01:32:37 PM
Here's the article from the time--Wild told the JS at the time that while he didn't like the way Crean left, he also said it "was not characteristic of the man as I dealt with him over the years".
BTW, quote doesn't sound like a man talking about an employee who's name was "mud" around campus:
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/31869314.html
I wasn't talking about before TC left, his name was mud after TC left in the manner he did.
Quote from: 2TimeWarrior on April 01, 2013, 01:40:50 PM
Did you expect Fr. Wild to come out and say that he couldn't stand Crean and thought he was a prick?! He handled questions with class as one would expect of a University president.
If Fr. Wild couldn't stand Crean and wanted him gone, I would NOT expect him to lie about it and say "We were very happy with him."
If he didn't want him back, I would NOT expect him to lie about it and say "We would have tried to keep him."
If he thought that his departure was typical behavior, I wouldn't expect him to lie and say its "not characteristic of the man as I dealt with"
In short, if Wild actually couldn't stand Crean, wanted him gone, and is happy to be rid of him, the classy response would NOT have been to lie three times--it would have been to simply say "We thank him for his past service and look forward to continued success with our new coach."
Fr. Wild is an honorable man, and shouldn't have to put up with your accusations that he's a liar, just so you can pretend that he shares your hatred of Crean.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 01, 2013, 10:50:29 AM
Right. First he he tried to poach him as an assistant and when Buzz turned him down he pushed for him to get the head job at MU. That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Another myth you've repeated countless times to mitigate Crean's treachery. The idea that Cottingham and Wild were even speaking to Crean between April 1 and April 8 is ludicrous. Please give sourced quotes to back up your claim.
No Tom Crean, no Buzz Williams at Marquette. So again, yes, Crean left us Buzz. Correct that he wanted him to go to IU, but no Crean = no Buzz....I know that pains you greatly.
Water requires oxygen and hydrogen .... Hopefully you get it now.
As for TC and his push....sure you want to go there? Why don't you use the search engine here. I'm at truck stop on my way to the Colorado river next few days for jet skiing, enjoying friends, etc. I don't have time to chase down your inaccuracies all the time.
Quote from: drewm88 on April 01, 2013, 11:56:31 AM
I'm not going to dig up 5 year old posts to make my case, but I think a lot of us were disappointed in the process. I know I was. We thought we were worthy of a coach with a big name. We didn't get one. Obviously that was a letdown. I recall the sentiment of this board being concerned but willing to give the benefit of the doubt. Not many people really wanted to condemn the hire, just the process.
Let this be a lesson for next time, whenever that comes.
What if Duke had hired a big name instead of some hard-to-spell no-name who went 23-28 in his last two years as Army coach?
What if Michigan State had hired a big name instead of some assistant who had toiled loyally on Jud Heathcote's bench for a dozen years?
What if Georgetown had hired a big name in 1972 instead of a high school basketball coach?
What if Syracuse had hired a big name instead of coming up empty in their national coaching search and settling for a goofy-looking, bespectacled assistant?
For that matter, what if Marquette had hired a big name instead of a career assistant who had never been a head coach at any level before leaving Michigan State to run our program in 1999?
And, of course, what if Marquette had hired a big name instead of the ultimate underdog -- a guy who never played and who bounced around at every level before getting his big break when Crean left?
And that's just college basketball.
Phil Jackson ... a blacklisted pothead before the Bulls gave him a chance. Mark Spoelstra ... who? Gregg Popovich ... total nobody. Bill Belichick ... career assistant who failed miserably in his first head-coaching try. Tony La Russa ... a lawyer with little MLB playing or coaching experience. And so on and so on and so on.
It's always fun to pursue and land a "big name" ... unless the big name crashes and burns: Kelvin Sampson, Billy Gillispie, Kevin O'Neill, Tim Floyd, etc, etc, etc.
Nobody ever wants to hear it, but sometimes the best person for the job really is the obscure bald guy who wears his heart on his sleeve.
Quote from: jesmu84 on April 01, 2013, 12:34:29 PM
To say with absolute fact that without Crean, Buzz would never have ended in up at Marquette some way/some how, is wrong. It's certainly improbable, but not impossible.
As Blackheart would say...puppies and unicorns.
Or the dumb and dumber line....one in a million...so you are saying there's a chance.
;) Improbable is being kind
Quote from: 2TimeWarrior on April 01, 2013, 01:40:50 PM
Did you expect Fr. Wild to come out and say that he couldn't stand Crean and thought he was a prick?! He handled questions with class as one would expect of a University president.
So much so that he signed the man to a 10 year contract for millions of dollars to be the face of the university.
LOL. Some of you are really funny.
Quote from: Avenue Commons on April 01, 2013, 02:10:33 PM
I wasn't talking about before TC left, his name was mud after TC left in the manner he did.
If so, then why did you say: "There's a reason he was scared to tell anyone that he was leaving and he left under the cover of darkness."
Sure sounds like you're implying that the bad blood preceeded his departure and was the cause of the way he left.
Quote from: wardle2wade on April 01, 2013, 09:59:43 AM
I will never forget Crean's motto for the 2007-08 team which he put on the pocket-schedule... "One for all, all for one." I bet DJ, Jerel, and Wes didn't either while finding out the news on SportsCenter five years ago today.
You can't find character like that everyday. Thank you, Tom Crean.
He was THE ONE
Quote from: The Equalizer on April 01, 2013, 02:32:47 PM
If so, then why did you say: "There's a reason he was scared to tell anyone that he was leaving and he left under the cover of darkness."
Sure sounds like you're implying that the bad blood preceeded his departure and was the cause of the way he left.
Because I wrote it on my iPhone during lunch and didn't think it would be analyzed like the Magna Carta.
Let my clarify with simplicity: Crean didn't have the cojones to tell Marquette he was leaving so he just bailed. After that action, his name was mud and his name remains mud to this day.
Quote from: MU82 on April 01, 2013, 02:14:08 PM
Let this be a lesson for next time, whenever that comes.
What if Duke had hired a big name instead of some hard-to-spell no-name who went 23-28 in his last two years as Army coach?
What if Michigan State had hired a big name instead of some assistant who had toiled loyally on Jud Heathcote's bench for a dozen years?
What if Georgetown had hired a big name in 1972 instead of a high school basketball coach?
What if Syracuse had hired a big name instead of coming up empty in their national coaching search and settling for a goofy-looking, bespectacled assistant?
For that matter, what if Marquette had hired a big name instead of a career assistant who had never been a head coach at any level before leaving Michigan State to run our program in 1999?
And, of course, what if Marquette had hired a big name instead of the ultimate underdog -- a guy who never played and who bounced around at every level before getting his big break when Crean left?
And that's just college basketball.
Phil Jackson ... a blacklisted pothead before the Bulls gave him a chance. Mark Spoelstra ... who? Gregg Popovich ... total nobody. Bill Belichick ... career assistant who failed miserably in his first head-coaching try. Tony La Russa ... a lawyer with little MLB playing or coaching experience. And so on and so on and so on.
It's always fun to pursue and land a "big name" ... unless the big name crashes and burns: Kelvin Sampson, Billy Gillispie, Kevin O'Neill, Tim Floyd, etc, etc, etc.
Nobody ever wants to hear it, but sometimes the best person for the job really is the obscure bald guy who wears his heart on his sleeve.
I agree with your sentiment, but I think your post is a whole lot of confirmation bias. Nobody remembers the no-names who don't work out. Pitino, Calipari, Crean, Self, Roy Williams, and Ben Howland (3 FF Howland, not unemployed Howland) are all "names" who have had success at their new school. On top of that, I don't think there were as many big name coaches around when Duke, Cuse, and Georgetown hired their future legends.
Either way can be good or bad. Going with a no name carries a risk of looking small time. Going with a name carries a risk of publicly flaming out.
Regardless, we came out ahead in this one.
Quote from: Avenue Commons on April 01, 2013, 03:26:47 PM
Crean didn't have the cojones to tell Marquette he was leaving so he just bailed. After that action, his name was mud and his name remains mud to this day.
Just the sort of guy you want on your wing in combat.
His name would be sh1t in the world of fighter pilots. There is honor in mud on the uniform.
Buzz took a good job and made it a great one.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 01, 2013, 02:20:09 PM
So much so that he signed the man to a 10 year contract for millions of dollars to be the face of the university.
LOL. Some of you are really funny.
That must be some Truck Stop. You've been there more than two hours...
Quote from: Stone Cold on April 01, 2013, 11:48:51 AM
April 1, 2008 Tom Crean reveals he's a punk and sneaks out of Milwaukee without saying his good byes or informing his boss. Where were you when you found out?
I didn't find out until that evening but I was drunk and eating domino's pizza.
Can't believe it's been 5 years already, time flies when you're having more success than Indiana.
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On a running machine at the Monterrey Hyatt. Found out the same way the Three Amigos did - watching ESPN. Treachery.
Quote from: Jajuannaman on April 01, 2013, 03:48:13 PM
Buzz took a good job and made it a great one.
Wins the thread.
Quote from: Avenue Commons on April 01, 2013, 03:26:47 PM
Because I wrote it on my iPhone during lunch and didn't think it would be analyzed like the Magna Carta.
Let my clarify with simplicity: Crean didn't have the cojones to tell Marquette he was leaving so he just bailed. After that action, his name was mud and his name remains mud to this day.
That brings us back to Fr Wild. Remember, these quotes are a week after Crean left. He had full and complete knowledge of exactly how Crean left, and yet Wild is not just making cordial public statments, but still saying they liked Crean and would have tried to keep him.
Doesn't make sense for Fr. Wild to say this if he didn't mean it, don't you think?
Frankly, I can't see Fr. Wild telling lies to cover for a guy he liked. So I have a really hard time understanding why he would serially lie to cover for a guy who supposedly was "mud."
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 01, 2013, 02:17:21 PM
As Blackheart would say...puppies and unicorns.
Chico's World
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Quote from: drewm88 on April 01, 2013, 03:37:20 PM
I agree with your sentiment, but I think your post is a whole lot of confirmation bias. Nobody remembers the no-names who don't work out. Pitino, Calipari, Crean, Self, Roy Williams, and Ben Howland (3 FF Howland, not unemployed Howland) are all "names" who have had success at their new school. On top of that, I don't think there were as many big name coaches around when Duke, Cuse, and Georgetown hired their future legends.
Either way can be good or bad. Going with a no name carries a risk of looking small time. Going with a name carries a risk of publicly flaming out.
Regardless, we came out ahead in this one.
Agreed on everything you say.
My point is to the knee-jerk element who thinks that if a guy is a big name he must be good and if a guy is a relative no-name he must be bad. It's silly.
Quote from: The Equalizer on April 01, 2013, 04:09:07 PM
That brings us back to Fr Wild. Remember, these quotes are a week after Crean left. He had full and complete knowledge of exactly how Crean left, and yet Wild is not just making cordial public statments, but still saying they liked Crean and would have tried to keep him.
Doesn't make sense for Fr. Wild to say this if he didn't mean it, don't you think?
Frankly, I can't see Fr. Wild telling lies to cover for a guy he liked. So I have a really hard time understanding why he would serially lie to cover for a guy who supposedly was "mud."
I have had numerous conversations with fellow MU boosters who were very disappointed in how Tom Crean conducted himself. I have had conversations with MU administrators and athletic dept. personnel who were very disappointed in how Tom Crean conducted himself. I have had conversations with former players who were disappointed in how Tom Crean conducted himself.
I have heard from many direct sources that Fr. Wild was none too pleased. You are taking one reported interview with Fr. Wild and extrapolating it to fit your narrative. People at MU were very happy with Tom Crean, until he left, and left in the manner he did. The general sentiment is Tom Crean embarrassed Marquette and treated us with a lack of respect. Since that day is he is not very welcome around Marquette. His name is mud.
Don't believe me? I don't really know what else to say or what you want to hear. I was very disappointed in how Tom Crean conducted himself, and you should be too. He is a fraud in my book.
Quote from: The Equalizer on April 01, 2013, 02:11:17 PM
If Fr. Wild couldn't stand Crean and wanted him gone, I would NOT expect him to lie about it and say "We were very happy with him."
If he didn't want him back, I would NOT expect him to lie about it and say "We would have tried to keep him."
If he thought that his departure was typical behavior, I wouldn't expect him to lie and say its "not characteristic of the man as I dealt with"
In short, if Wild actually couldn't stand Crean, wanted him gone, and is happy to be rid of him, the classy response would NOT have been to lie three times--it would have been to simply say "We thank him for his past service and look forward to continued success with our new coach."
Fr. Wild is an honorable man, and shouldn't have to put up with your accusations that he's a liar, just so you can pretend that he shares your hatred of Crean.
I'm 99% sure that "The Equalizer" is Chicos Bail Bonds using one of his "aliases."
Maybe its time to change it to TGFB day.
Thank God for Buzz day.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 01, 2013, 02:12:11 PM
I'm at truck stop on my way to the Colorado river next few days for jet skiing, enjoying friends, etc.
Laughlin?
I thank Crean for Wade, Diener, Novak, Jackson, the FF (but not the result), and most importantly, Buzz.
I also thank him for leaving MU as a coward, not telling his players - er, his "family" -before the beans spilled.
Character revealed, indeed.
Quote from: Avenue Commons on April 01, 2013, 05:57:58 PM
I have had numerous conversations with fellow MU boosters who were very disappointed in how Tom Crean conducted himself. I have had conversations with MU administrators and athletic dept. personnel who were very disappointed in how Tom Crean conducted himself. I have had conversations with former players who were disappointed in how Tom Crean conducted himself.
I have heard from many direct sources that Fr. Wild was none too pleased. You are taking one reported interview with Fr. Wild and extrapolating it to fit your narrative. People at MU were very happy with Tom Crean, until he left, and left in the manner he did. The general sentiment is Tom Crean embarrassed Marquette and treated us with a lack of respect. Since that day is he is not very welcome around Marquette. His name is mud.
Don't believe me? I don't really know what else to say or what you want to hear. I was very disappointed in how Tom Crean conducted himself, and you should be too. He is a fraud in my book.
This is hardly news. Fr. Wild was quoted saying this in the article I linked: "But the how of it, how he basically didn't talk to anybody, that was a problem," Wild added. "And I said that clearly. The end game was definitely not the way to do things." Nobody disputes that. Not me. Not Fr. Wild. Nobody.
What you seem to have a problem with is his follow up: "And I must say, it was not characteristic of the man as I dealt with him over the years."
What I'm trying to reconcile is the oft-cited implication on this board that the way Crean left was a reflection of his character when Fr. Wild stated exactly the opposite--it was not characteristic.
Quote from: Avenue Commons on April 01, 2013, 08:46:04 PM
I'm 99% sure that "The Equalizer" is Chicos Bail Bonds using one of his "aliases."
Nah. But there was a reason that his former identity marquette84/sjs was also known as Joanie.
He wanted to tell his team. The news got out ahead of him. Partly as a result of his bro in law.
Unfortunate. Could have been handled a lot better. No one denies this, including Crean.
Something tells me even if he did tell his team before it hit the news, people would still bitch about something. They just need a reason to bitch, nothing more. It is what it is for some and nothing is going to change it. He left for a better job.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 01, 2013, 02:12:11 PM
I'm at truck stop on my way to the Colorado river next few days for jet skiing, enjoying friends, etc.
Sounds like a real White Trash Weekend there Chico
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Truck Stop Dessert
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The River
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Nothing like a Jet Ski
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Nothing like Friends...The guy standing in the second row wearing a wife beater has on his IU hat!
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The Backyard Summit - Chico & Hoop discuss the State of Marquette Basketball
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Lotsa Sun at the River
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Hey! I switched to Camel Lights for my Pregnancy!
Quote from: Avenue Commons on April 01, 2013, 05:57:58 PM
I have had numerous conversations with fellow MU boosters who were very disappointed in how Tom Crean conducted himself. I have had conversations with MU administrators and athletic dept. personnel who were very disappointed in how Tom Crean conducted himself. I have had conversations with former players who were disappointed in how Tom Crean conducted himself.
I have heard from many direct sources that Fr. Wild was none too pleased. You are taking one reported interview with Fr. Wild and extrapolating it to fit your narrative. People at MU were very happy with Tom Crean, until he left, and left in the manner he did. The general sentiment is Tom Crean embarrassed Marquette and treated us with a lack of respect. Since that day is he is not very welcome around Marquette. His name is mud.
Don't believe me? I don't really know what else to say or what you want to hear. I was very disappointed in how Tom Crean conducted himself, and you should be too. He is a fraud in my book.
Exceptional articulation of a "man's" cowardice.
Quote from: keefe on April 01, 2013, 09:39:48 PM
Sounds like a real White Trash Weekend there Chico
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Truck Stop Dinner
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Truck Stop Dessert
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The River
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Nothing like a Jet Ski
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And Friends...The guy standing in the second row wearing a wife beater has on his IU hat!
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And PBR
It's gotta be Hoopaloop...
Any reports from the River Front on Chico's Magnificent Water Sport Adventure?
Since success at places like I4, Kentucky, UNC, etc. is measured in Championship and final Four banners, could one draw the conclusion that after 5 years Crean has not been successful? Especially since it looks as if they could take a somewhat significant step back next year. Next five year plan started yesterday, I guess.
Quote from: keefe on April 02, 2013, 08:52:37 PM
Any reports from the River Front on Chico's Magnificent Water Sport Adventure?
Colonel, we do these trips a lot. Great fun with real folks. Sure, we do the trips with the hotels and nines as well, but every year we rough it and camp on the lake shore or we do the Colorado River. Wouldn't miss it for the world.
Lots of real military guys here as well. I don't consider them white trash, but to each their own.
Quote from: VegasWarrior77 on April 01, 2013, 08:57:09 PM
Laughlin?
No, Arizona border. A few friends have a place near Blythe in a small village with about 20 homes on the river. A lot of fun, beautiful weather, they have the toys, I pay for the beer and gas. Kids have a ball.
Quote from: Avenue Commons on April 01, 2013, 08:46:04 PM
I'm 99% sure that "The Equalizer" is Chicos Bail Bonds using one of his "aliases."
You're 100% wrong. I don't have any aliases, number one. And number two, Equalizer has been a contributor to Cracked Sidewalks for 5+ years. You are simply dead wrong.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on April 01, 2013, 09:00:39 PM
I thank Crean for Wade, Diener, Novak, Jackson, the FF (but not the result), and most importantly, Buzz.
I also thank him for leaving MU as a coward, not telling his players - er, his "family" -before the beans spilled.
Character revealed, indeed.
He tried, but the news got out ahead of his ability to tell them. There were two meetings at TC's house on April 2nd in Thiensville \ Mequon area. I know three people that were at the meetings...they included athletic department staff, players, etc. A lot of tears, some anger, some tough moments. But yes, he wanted to tell the staff, players, etc before an announcement but IU was unable to contain it, partially because one of the Harbaugh brothers let it out on the radio. I would say that clearly is one of his regrets, it was handled poorly to say the least.
I also thank him for Wade, Novak, Diener, Jackson, the Big East (people should read the comments from former Big East commissioner on TC's role of MU getting the invite to the Big East....it will make heads explode here, but he was a key cog), and of course hiring Buzz Williams.
No TC, no Buzz Williams at MU. Period. TC did tremendous good for MU, he also left in a poor manner. He rubbed some people wrong...so did KO, so did Mike Deane, etc, etc. He left MU exponentially better than what he found it. NIGHT AND DAY different. 23 of 23 kids that used up their eligibility graduated. Some will harp forever on the negative...some here that is ALL they do and can't even acknowledge the Final Four, etc...they literally are incapable of it. Comical.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on April 03, 2013, 08:31:30 AM
Since success at places like I4, Kentucky, UNC, etc. is measured in Championship and final Four banners, could one draw the conclusion that after 5 years Crean has not been successful? Especially since it looks as if they could take a somewhat significant step back next year. Next five year plan started yesterday, I guess.
They just won a Big Ten championship....doh
Coach Tom Crean's crib was on Justin Dr. in The Quon. Neighborhood has steadily improved dating back 'bout 5 years ago now. Folks have taken off their window security bars and allow their kids to play out in their yards without adult supervision.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 03, 2013, 10:36:03 AM
They just won a Big Ten championship....doh
Yeah, that worked out really well for them in the end...
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 03, 2013, 10:24:40 AM
Colonel, we do these trips a lot. Great fun with real folks. Sure, we do the trips with the hotels and nines as well, but every year we rough it and camp on the lake shore or we do the Colorado River. Wouldn't miss it for the world.
Lots of real military guys here as well. I don't consider them white trash, but to each their own.
Not my idea of a fun weekend. To each their own.
As for "Real" military guys here's what we did for a living:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlvedYbmvTM
I know a couple of those KIAs. Killed in an ambush in Anbar, Jun 05. A lot more real than the "real military guys" who supposedly went jet skiing with you.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 03, 2013, 10:36:03 AM
They just won a Big Ten championship....doh
I'm sorry, is that a Final Four or National Championship?
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on April 03, 2013, 12:32:04 PM
I'm sorry, is that a Final Four or National Championship?
Dude they cut down the nets and had a big celebration so they sure as hell acted like it was one
Quote from: cbowe3 on April 03, 2013, 12:43:32 PM
Dude they cut down the nets and had a big celebration so they sure as hell acted like it was one
Don't you know how far that program came back from?!!?
I am much more in favor of celebrating post season success than regular season success. When I look back on this year, I'll think much more of MU being in the Elite 8 then I will of MU co-winning the Big East.
If a place like IU starts hanging their hats on Big 10 titles and getting bounced as a one seed in the Sweet Sixteen, have fun with that.
Quote from: MUDish on April 03, 2013, 01:01:52 PM
I am much more in favor of celebrating post season success than regular season success. When I look back on this year, I'll think much more of MU being in the Elite 8 then I will of MU co-winning the Big East.
If a place like IU starts hanging their hats on Big 10 titles and getting bounced as a one seed in the Sweet Sixteen, have fun with that.
Sounds like a UW fan's idea of a celebration
I noticed that at the Verizon Center that Georgetown has all it's Final Four appearances on one banner.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 03, 2013, 10:36:03 AM
They just won a Big Ten championship....doh
Sounds like Badger fans defending BoBo.
Quote from: mu-rara on April 03, 2013, 01:08:49 PM
Sounds like Badger fans defending BoBo.
The NCAA Tournament is all luck. Don't you remember that gem?
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on April 03, 2013, 01:10:55 PM
The NCAA Tournament is all luck. Don't you remember that gem?
Yeah, I was just waiting for it.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on April 03, 2013, 01:10:55 PM
The NCAA Tournament is all luck. Don't you remember that gem?
It's all about matchups and lucky seeding. Even if you're the clearly better team, and supposed to win the games, it's totally ok if you lose because luck.
Quote from: MUDish on April 03, 2013, 01:01:52 PM
I am much more in favor of celebrating post season success than regular season success. When I look back on this year, I'll think much more of MU being in the Elite 8 then I will of MU co-winning the Big East.
If a place like IU starts hanging their hats on Big 10 titles and getting bounced as a one seed in the Sweet Sixteen, have fun with that.
Duke, North Carolina, Indiana, etc, etc, all hang banners for conference titles. Personally, I find it odd that a team like Florida Gulf Coast University can lose to Mercer, Lipscomb twice, Stetson, etc...not even win their conference but have a nice run at the end of the season and that trumps all. If you win your regular season, you've done something special over the long haul.
If not, then why did everyone here get excited over the a Big East title if it isn't going to mean anything? Why bother playing for conference championships?
Quote from: MUDish on April 03, 2013, 12:03:46 PM
Yeah, that worked out really well for them in the end...
It's an accomplishment for an entire season. Say Davidson didn't choke that game away, are you to say that us winning the Big East championship didn't mean anything? That sounds like what you are saying and that's unfortunate if all we care about now is if we're hot, get the right matchups, etc for a few games.
Sorry, in my book winning the Big East Championship was a very big deal.
Quote from: keefe on April 03, 2013, 12:28:30 PM
Not my idea of a fun weekend. To each their own.
As for "Real" military guys here's what we did for a living:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlvedYbmvTM
I know a couple of those KIAs. Killed in an ambush in Anbar, Jun 05. A lot more real than the "real military guys" who supposedly went jet skiing with you.
To each their own is exactly right. Many of the guys we were with were retired LAPD, SDPD, military, etc. We had a great time. We like getting out in the water, have our drinks on and generally having a great time.
If you think that's white trash, that's fine. Those fine military folks, law enforcement types would beg to differ, as would I and their families.
Unfortunately back home, short 3 day binge out there, but had to get home for the kids sports activities.
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Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 03, 2013, 07:42:19 PM
To each their own is exactly right. Many of the guys we were with were retired LAPD, SDPD, military, etc. We had a great time. We like getting out in the water, have our drinks on and generally having a great time.
If you think that's white trash, that's fine. Those fine military folks, law enforcement types would beg to differ, as would I and their families.
Unfortunately back home, short 3 day binge out there, but had to get home for the kids sports activities.
I guess when you are used to going 1,500 MPH in 3D then zipping along the waves at 20 MPH in 2D just ain't that much fun. Obviously your "Real" military friends aren't fighter pilots.
How the hell are you tight with retired cops and military?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 03, 2013, 07:40:26 PM
It's an accomplishment for an entire season. Say Davidson didn't choke that game away, are you to say that us winning the Big East championship didn't mean anything? That sounds like what you are saying and that's unfortunate if all we care about now is if we're hot, get the right matchups, etc for a few games.
Sorry, in my book winning the Big East Championship was a very big deal.
A conference championship is quite the accomplishment. However, IU would trade seasons with Michigan in a split second.
Think MVC champ Creighton would take their season over Wichita State's?
Would you rather MU won the conference and lost in the E8 or finished 5th and was playing this weekend?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 03, 2013, 07:40:26 PM
It's an accomplishment for an entire season. Say Davidson didn't choke that game away, are you to say that us winning the Big East championship didn't mean anything? That sounds like what you are saying and that's unfortunate if all we care about now is if we're hot, get the right matchups, etc for a few games.
Sorry, in my book winning the Big East Championship was a very big deal.
We agree to disagree. I'll trade a Big East title (regular season or conference) for a Final Four any day of the week and twice on Sunday. It's not even debateable. So what your saying is if you're a Georgetown fan, you should be happy today? No thanks.
Do you think anyone outside MU remembers where MU finished in conference play in 2003? Hell no. People remember MU throttling Kentucky and being in the Final Four.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 03, 2013, 07:40:26 PM
It's an accomplishment for an entire season. Say Davidson didn't choke that game away, are you to say that us winning the Big East championship didn't mean anything? That sounds like what you are saying and that's unfortunate if all we care about now is if we're hot, get the right matchups, etc for a few games.
Sorry, in my book winning the Big East Championship was a very big deal.
If your boy Crean would have finished 5th in the Big ten, but then went to the final four, you would have said the final four is a much bigger deal than winning the conference championship. Isn't that right?
Quote from: MUDish on April 04, 2013, 09:19:26 AM
We agree to disagree. I'll trade a Big East title (regular season or conference) for a Final Four any day of the week and twice on Sunday. It's not even debateable. So what your saying is if you're a Georgetown fan, you should be happy today? No thanks.
Do you think anyone outside MU remembers where MU finished in conference play in 2003? Hell no. People remember MU throttling Kentucky and being in the Final Four.
While, winning a conf championship is a very good thing, I think this is right. Ultimately what MU being in the Elite Eight meant to me, was four games (high profile/high stakes games), that provided four opportunities to hang out with friends and family, drinking beer, eating chicken, and pulling for the same thing. A scene duplicated all over the country. The exposure, all that stuff is great, but the community aspect, the uniqueness of the NCAA tournament is what sticks.
The Witchita St and Georgetown examples are spot on.
Quote from: MUDish on April 04, 2013, 09:19:26 AM
We agree to disagree. I'll trade a Big East title (regular season or conference) for a Final Four any day of the week and twice on Sunday. It's not even debateable. So what your saying is if you're a Georgetown fan, you should be happy today? No thanks.
Do you think anyone outside MU remembers where MU finished in conference play in 2003? Hell no. People remember MU throttling Kentucky and being in the Final Four.
UConn finished 9-9 in conference, tied with us in 2011. We were the last two Big East teams out of 11 standing in the tournament, with them going on to win the whole thing. Both teams got the last laugh, as they were battle tested and built for the tournament better.
Quote from: Jajuannaman on April 04, 2013, 09:46:57 AM
UConn finished 9-9 in conference, tied with us in 2011. We were the last two Big East teams out of 11 standing in the tournament, with them going on to win the whole thing. Both teams got the last laugh, as they were battle tested and built for the tournament better.
Yeah, but I bet the Pitt fans never let them hear the end of it about the Panthers winning the Big East that season!
Quote from: keefe on April 03, 2013, 09:08:02 PM
I guess when you are used to going 1,500 MPH in 3D then zipping along the waves at 20 MPH in 2D just ain't that much fun. Obviously your "Real" military friends aren't fighter pilots.
How the hell are you tight with retired cops and military?
The same way he still has "sources" at Marquette when he last worked there around 1997...he doesn't.
Quote from: hairyworthen on April 04, 2013, 09:31:34 AM
If your boy Crean would have finished 5th in the Big ten, but then went to the final four, you would have said the final four is a much bigger deal than winning the conference championship. Isn't that right?
He ain't my boy....he's the former coach of my alma mater, Marquette, where he rebuilt the program, got us great talent, graduated players, won a conference title, got us to a Final Four and into the Big East. He is now the coach of another alma mater, and helped deliver the first Big Ten conference title outright in 20+ years.
I would have said he had a successful post season and a so-so regular season. In 2003, we won the conference title and went to the Final Four. We had a great regular season and great post season. Similar to what happened this year under Buzz.
Quote from: MUDish on April 04, 2013, 09:19:26 AM
We agree to disagree. I'll trade a Big East title (regular season or conference) for a Final Four any day of the week and twice on Sunday. It's not even debateable. So what your saying is if you're a Georgetown fan, you should be happy today? No thanks.
Do you think anyone outside MU remembers where MU finished in conference play in 2003? Hell no. People remember MU throttling Kentucky and being in the Final Four.
I would trade a Final Four appearance for a Big East title as well. I would not trade a Sweet 16 appearance for it. But you're talking about something totally different anyway. I'm talking about sustained success over the season vs getting hot four four games. In 2003, we did both. That was a magical regular season with a magical post season.
As for your second question, there are posters here that absolutely do not remember (or refuse to acknowledge) that we throttled #1 Kentucky but only remember us losing to #1 seed Kansas a week later. Strange.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 04, 2013, 06:52:35 PM
The same way he still has "sources" at Marquette when he last worked there around 1997...he doesn't.
Actually worked there longer than that by several years, but imagine PRN having his facts wrong....again. You're right, no one still works there from the early 2000's, in Athletics or in other parts of the university. You're right, big donors and sponsors of the program then aren't still big donors and sponsors of the program today.
Cough, cough....you sure know your stuff....as usual. ::)
Quote from: keefe on April 03, 2013, 09:08:02 PM
I guess when you are used to going 1,500 MPH in 3D then zipping along the waves at 20 MPH in 2D just ain't that much fun. Obviously your "Real" military friends aren't fighter pilots.
How the hell are you tight with retired cops and military?
No, in fact they weren't. Most were marine corp or army. One navy. Tight because that's what I grew up with, FD and PD up and down the neighborhoods and have remained friends. Many of the sons, my childhood buddies, got into the same profession...cops, firefighters, military.
Good people, certainly not white trash as you suggested.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 04, 2013, 07:01:48 PM
He ain't my boy....he's the former coach of my alma mater, Marquette, where he rebuilt the program, got us great talent, graduated players, won a conference title, got us to a Final Four and into the Big East. He is now the coach of another alma mater, and helped deliver the first Big Ten conference title outright in 20+ years.
I would have said he had a successful post season and a so-so regular season. In 2003, we won the conference title and went to the Final Four. We had a great regular season and great post season. Similar to what happened this year under Buzz.
And left Marquette under the cover of darkness...not nearly man enough to do the right thing. His treachery is not nearly as shameful as his cowardice.
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Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 04, 2013, 07:12:18 PM
No, in fact they weren't. Most were marine corp or army. One navy. Tight because that's what I grew up with, FD and PD up and down the neighborhoods and have remained friends. Many of the sons, my childhood buddies, got into the same profession...cops, firefighters, military.
Good people, certainly not white trash as you suggested.
I didn't call anyone white trash. I said that a weekend of jet skiing and drinking beer on a river is a white trash activity. Not something I would do. Nor would any of my buds, either, for that matter.
Quote from: keefe on April 04, 2013, 07:12:29 PM
And left Marquette under the cover of darkness...not nearly man enough to do the right thing. His treachery is not nearly as shameful as his cowardice.
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Yeah, I know you still hate Buzz for doing that to New Orleans...treachery.
Or you hate K.O. for doing that to MU. Or Rick for doing that to MU. Treachery. Cowardice.
On and on and on we go, where Keefe's poutrage stops we don't know.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 04, 2013, 07:17:05 PM
Yeah, I know you still hate Buzz for doing that to New Orleans...treachery.
Or you hate K.O. for doing that to MU. Or Rick for doing that to MU. Treachery. Cowardice.
On and on and on we go, where Keefe's poutrage stops we don't know.
While all of those coaches left, none left in the same way as Crean. Stop reaching.
Quote from: keefe on April 04, 2013, 07:15:25 PM
I didn't call anyone white trash. I said that a weekend of jet skiing and drinking beer on a river is a white trash activity. Not something I would do. Nor would any of my buds, either, for that matter.
Fair point. You said people that do that kind of stuff, white trash. I countered that the people doing that kind of stuff, with us anyway, are former military, law enforcement, fire \ paramedic, etc. You didn't say it, but I wanted to make sure you understood that the people you think doing those kinds of things aren't white trash, they're good peeps.
Thank you
That's not white trash activity. White trash activity would be shooting up the old refrigerators and washing machines in the front yard from lounge chairs positioned outside the double-wide.
Quote from: elephantraker on April 04, 2013, 10:50:10 PM
That's not white trash activity. White trash activity would be shooting up the old refrigerators and washing machines in the front yard from lounge chairs positioned outside the double-wide.
Then slamming a couple of PBRs before jumping on the jet ski