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http://www.postcrescent.com/article/20130326/APC02/303260252/Mike-Woods-column-Marquette-has-surpassed-Badgers-state-s-top-program?nclick_check=1
Quote from: Warriors Forever on March 27, 2013, 11:32:20 AM
Sorry if this article was posted before...
http://www.postcrescent.com/article/20130326/APC02/303260252/Mike-Woods-column-Marquette-has-surpassed-Badgers-state-s-top-program?nclick_check=1
"Williams' name surfacing tells you many believe this remains a stepping stone job and not a destination job. That, above all, is the perception Marquette needs to change"
This is the part that continues to bother me most. This is also why I hope Buzz stays many many many years at Marquette.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 27, 2013, 11:34:40 AM
"Williams' name surfacing tells you many believe this remains a stepping stone job and not a destination job. That, above all, is the perception Marquette needs to change"
This is the part that continues to bother me most. This is also why I hope Buzz stays many many many years at Marquette.
Boom-shaka-laka! My sentiments exactly
top 17 in NCAA tourney wins. Top 20 all time program. 3 straight sweet 16's, one of 4 teams with that active streak. Still, the shorthand among the national media is that MU is a spunky little underdog punching above its weight. And next year, I am sure that some will leave MU off of their preseason rankings.
"If Marquette is to get to its first Final Four since 2003, it will first have to take down the ACC's regular season and tournament champion in Miami, and if it survives that a likely matchup with Big Ten regular-season champ and top-seed Indiana."
I don't mean to hijack the thread, but I'm also surprised by how many media people have glossed over Cuse in favor of IU. I think it's a very tough matchup for the Hoosiers, and I think that Southerland goes off.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 27, 2013, 11:34:40 AM
"Williams' name surfacing tells you many believe this remains a stepping stone job and not a destination job. That, above all, is the perception Marquette needs to change"
This is the part that continues to bother me most. This is also why I hope Buzz stays many many many years at Marquette.
I'm I allowed to call Badger football a stepping-stone job now because Bret jumped ships to Arkansas?
Marquette is a destination job. Crean left for INDIANA and if Buzz leaves to UCLA, he went to UCLA. Those are top jobs in college basketball that only a handful of programs can keep their coaches over (unless prior connections/loyalities like JTIII or Buzz who has said he'll stay as long as he's wanted). Who cares what the perception of the public is with coaching jobs, its all about the coaches perception of the job.
Quote from: wardle2wade on March 27, 2013, 11:53:24 AM
"If Marquette is to get to its first Final Four since 2003, it will first have to take down the ACC's regular season and tournament champion in Miami, and if it survives that a likely matchup with Big Ten regular-season champ and top-seed Indiana."
I don't mean to hijack the thread, but I'm also surprised by how many media people have glossed over Cuse in favor of IU. I think it's a very tough matchup for the Hoosiers, and I think that Southerland goes off.
Agree - I'd love a TC matchup but I think IU gets housed
Quote from: Warriors10 on March 27, 2013, 11:56:07 AM
I'm I allowed to call Badger football a stepping-stone job now because Bret jumped ships to Arkansas?
Yes. Absolutely. Not teal.
Quote from: wardle2wade on March 27, 2013, 11:53:24 AM
"If Marquette is to get to its first Final Four since 2003, it will first have to take down the ACC's regular season and tournament champion in Miami, and if it survives that a likely matchup with Big Ten regular-season champ and top-seed Indiana."
I don't mean to hijack the thread, but I'm also surprised by how many media people have glossed over Cuse in favor of IU. I think it's a very tough matchup for the Hoosiers, and I think that Southerland goes off.
Shouldn't that first sentence read....if the Big East regular season champ is to get......
National media keeps ignroing that little fact, too. As if 14-4 happened by accident. BTW, what were the records of IU and Miami in conference. MU has nothing to apologize for and if they can keep going, the national media will.
Quote from: Warriors10 on March 27, 2013, 11:56:07 AM
I'm I allowed to call Badger football a stepping-stone job now because Bret jumped ships to Arkansas?
Marquette is a destination job. Crean left for INDIANA and if Buzz leaves to UCLA, he went to UCLA. Those are top jobs in college basketball that only a handful of programs can keep their coaches over
Only elite program like Butler and VCU?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 27, 2013, 12:00:48 PM
Only elite program like Butler and VCU?
See that goes to the point of who cares what the public perspection is on coaching destinations. Stevens and Smart obviously feel their positions at Butler and VCU are better for them than programs like UCLA (well we don't know about that one yet) even though the public would think that is a better move for them.
Quote from: tower912 on March 27, 2013, 11:59:22 AM
Shouldn't that first sentence read....if the Big East regular season champ is to get......
National media keeps ignroing that little fact, too. As if 14-4 happened by accident. BTW, what were the records of IU and Miami in conference. MU has nothing to apologize for and if they can keep going, the national media will.
Great point. Maybe a win tomorrow will jog their memories.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 27, 2013, 12:00:48 PM
Only elite program like Butler and VCU?
Stevens and Smart won't stay at Butler/VCU forever. They're just biding their time for whatever may be their ideal situations.
Outside of UCLA - which arguably is radioactive given the cesspool in LA and the way Howland was treated - it's not as if Stevens and Smart are turning down bluebloods.
The competition is stuff and so are the coaches. If Buzz gets to the Final Four, he will not have done so cheaply:
McKillop (Elite 8 experience)
Stevens (2 Finals)
Laranaga (Final Four)
Boeheim (Champ) / Crean (Final Four)
This weekend is gonna be a b!tch but it could be spectacular.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 27, 2013, 12:08:39 PM
Stevens and Smart won't stay at Butler/VCU forever. They're just biding their time for whatever may be their ideal situations.
Outside of UCLA - which arguably is radioactive given the cesspool in LA and the way Howland was treated - it's not as if Stevens and Smart are turning down bluebloods.
Why can't they stay at VCU and Butler forever??? Why is it so hard for people to understand they may be perfectly happy in their current situations???
Quote from: Groin_pull on March 27, 2013, 12:22:24 PM
Why can't they stay at VCU and Butler forever??? Why is it so hard for people to understand they may be perfectly happy in their current situations???
People are just playing the odds... It's a longshor. If either is going to stay forever, I'd say it's Stevens.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 27, 2013, 11:34:40 AM
"Williams' name surfacing tells you many believe this remains a stepping stone job and not a destination job. That, above all, is the perception Marquette needs to change"
This is the part that continues to bother me most. This is also why I hope Buzz stays many many many years at Marquette.
In my mind, Buzz is a few years away from being insulated from those sorts of rumors. Make a few more tourney runs, turn down (or not entertain) a few more "coveted" jobs, and the press will eventually get the idea that he's not going anywhere--or at least, not jumping at any big-name position. I think he is starting to get close to that point, but we probably have to endure a couple more years of the speculation until the media gets tired of it.
Quote from: MUMountin on March 27, 2013, 12:26:17 PM
In my mind, Buzz is a few years away from being insulated from those sorts of rumors. Make a few more tourney runs, turn down (or not entertain) a few more "coveted" jobs, and the press will eventually get the idea that he's not going anywhere--or at least, not jumping at any big-name position. I think he is starting to get close to that point, but we probably have to endure a couple more years of the speculation until the media gets tired of it.
Example: Jay Wright
I also believe this happens due to Buzz's age coupled with the sometimes-negative connotation of Milwaukee/Wisconsin by outsiders. I love Brewtown, but others enjoy ripping on what they don't know.
I believe Wisconsin would also have to deal with the rumor mill, but don't since Bo is 125 years old.
Buzz will never be completely insulated from these rumors. Both Izzo and K have been mentioned for other jobs recently, either in college or the NBA. I've seen Calipari and Donovan tossed out for the UCLA job. The only successful coaches who never get mentioned are Bo, Boeheim, JT3, Roy and the legend, Stew Morrill (sp?)
Quote from: Pakuni on March 27, 2013, 12:08:39 PM
Stevens and Smart won't stay at Butler/VCU forever. They're just biding their time for whatever may be their ideal situations.
Outside of UCLA - which arguably is radioactive given the cesspool in LA and the way Howland was treated - it's not as if Stevens and Smart are turning down bluebloods.
Forever is a long time. Wooden was the last forever at UCLA, Rupp at Kentucky, Knight at Indiana, Smith at UNC. I don't remember the last "forever" guy at Kansas - maybe Phog Allen. Except for Coach K, today's "forevers" are at non blue bloods like Michigan St and Gonzaga. With guys turning down the likes of Illinois and UCLA to stay at Butler or VCU and opting to remain at Florida over a Kentucky or staying in Spokane, Wa over all comers maybe it's time to reexamine the whole "destination job" concept.
Quote from: Groin_pull on March 27, 2013, 12:22:24 PM
Why can't they stay at VCU and Butler forever??? Why is it so hard for people to understand they may be perfectly happy in their current situations???
How many coaches stay at their first head-coaching gigs forever?
Quote from: Groin_pull on March 27, 2013, 12:22:24 PM
Why can't they stay at VCU and Butler forever??? Why is it so hard for people to understand they may be perfectly happy in their current situations???
totally agree, groin pull. Destination jobs are where people are happy. And if you add the fact that it pays REAL well and has a strong history, MU is undeniably a destination job.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 27, 2013, 12:36:31 PM
Forever is a long time. Wooden was the last forever at UCLA, Rupp at Kentucky, Knight at Indiana, Smith at UNC. I don't remember the last "forever" guy at Kansas - maybe Phog Allen. Except for Coach K, today's "forevers" are at non blue bloods like Michigan St and Gonzaga. With guys turning down the likes of Illinois and UCLA to stay at Butler or VCU and opting to remain at Florida over a Kentucky or staying in Spokane, Wa over all comers maybe it's time to reexamine the whole "destination job" concept.
Wooden coached at Indiana State before UCLA.
Knight at Army before Indiana.
Even they weren't "forever" guys.
Illinois isn't a destination job. Just ask Bill Self.
UCLA could be, but there are plenty of reasons that's not an especially attractive job right now.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 27, 2013, 12:37:18 PM
How many coaches stay at their first head-coaching gigs forever?
Lucky for us Buzz was head coach at UNO!
Quote from: Pakuni on March 27, 2013, 12:37:18 PM
How many coaches stay at their first head-coaching gigs forever?
Yup. Then you look at Buzz's career, he's always been a nomad so that will add to the speculation. Milwaukee is the longest stop he has ever had.
1992–1994 Oklahoma City (asst.)
1994–1998 Texas–Arlington (asst.)
1998–1999 Texas A&M–Kingsville (asst.)
1999–2000 Northwestern State (asst.)
2000–2004 Colorado State (asst.)
2004–2006 Texas A&M (asst.)
2006–2007 New Orleans
2007–2008 Marquette (asst.)
2008–present Marquette
Quote from: Pakuni on March 27, 2013, 12:42:05 PM
Wooden coached at Indiana State before UCLA.
Knight at Army before Indiana.
Even they weren't "forever" guys.
Illinois isn't a destination job. Just ask Bill Self.
UCLA could be, but there are plenty of reasons that's not an especially attractive job right now.
In that case, Kansas also isn't a destination job. Just ask Roy Williams.
Every college coach, and I mean EVERY college coach, has a dream job for which they'd leave their current position.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 27, 2013, 12:42:05 PM
Illinois isn't a destination job. Just ask Bill Self.
Nor is Kentucky. Just ask Rick Pitino. Nor is Kansas. Just ask ol' Roy. But maybe Gonzaga is.
The point I've been trying to make is that writers and fans make assumptions about the "value" of certain jobs that (based on who wants to actually take those jobs) are way off base.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 27, 2013, 12:51:31 PM
Yup. Then you look at Buzz's career, he's always been a nomad so that will add to the speculation. Milwaukee is the longest stop he has ever had.
1992–1994 Oklahoma City (asst.)
1994–1998 Texas–Arlington (asst.)
1998–1999 Texas A&M–Kingsville (asst.)
1999–2000 Northwestern State (asst.)
2000–2004 Colorado State (asst.)
2004–2006 Texas A&M (asst.)
2006–2007 New Orleans
2007–2008 Marquette (asst.)
2008–present Marquette
The post you're quoting said "first head coaching gigs". You put up a list of assistant positions and UNO, which is not nearly the job that Marquette is. More importantly, none of us knows what really went down at UNO.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 27, 2013, 12:51:31 PM
Yup. Then you look at Buzz's career, he's always been a nomad so that will add to the speculation. Milwaukee is the longest stop he has ever had.
1992–1994 Oklahoma City (asst.)
1994–1998 Texas–Arlington (asst.)
1998–1999 Texas A&M–Kingsville (asst.)
1999–2000 Northwestern State (asst.)
2000–2004 Colorado State (asst.)
2004–2006 Texas A&M (asst.)
2006–2007 New Orleans
2007–2008 Marquette (asst.)
2008–present Marquette
Pakuni said first head coaching job. There is much more movement among assistant coaches.
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 27, 2013, 01:02:18 PM
The post you're quoting said "first head coaching gigs". You put up a list of assistant positions and UNO, which is not nearly the job that Marquette is. More importantly, none of us knows what really went down at UNO.
Actually wasn't even thinking along those lines. It was more that Buzz has always bounced around, it's been his career path. Nothing wrong with that, many people do it and certainly many assistants. Though there are also some assistants that lock in for 10 years, too.
That was really all I was saying. If you read some of the commentary out there some have come to the conclusion that he likes moving around, new change of scenery, etc. Hope that isn't the case, as it will again pin that label on MU, fairly or unfairly. People can say coaches have left voluntarily from Kansas, Kentucky, etc...but it's very rare and it's usually for the NBA or a special exception (Roy Williams back to his alma mater).
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on March 27, 2013, 12:51:38 PMIn that case, Kansas also isn't a destination job. Just ask Roy Williams.
Every college coach, and I mean EVERY college coach, has a dream job for which they'd leave their current position.
Unless they get there. I don't think there's a job in the country that could pry away Roy Williams, Coach K, Izzo, or JTIII. Is it possible that Marquette is that job for Buzz? Who knows, but maybe. If his family (more specifically his wife) is still happy and he believes he can compete at the highest level here, might Marquette end up being that job for Buzz? I don't think any of his past jobs (especially since passing on A&M) are more desirable for him. The longer guys like K, Self, Roy, Barnes, and Cal stay at their current jobs the better chance he stays here.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 27, 2013, 01:00:41 PM
Nor is Kentucky. Just ask Rick Pitino. Nor is Kansas. Just ask ol' Roy. But maybe Gonzaga is.
The point I've been trying to make is that writers and fans make assumptions about the "value" of certain jobs that (based on who wants to actually take those jobs) are way off base.
And the point I've been trying to make is there really is no such thing as a "destination job."
If a coach happens to stay in one job for a long time - Coach K at Duke, Izzo at MSU - it's because that's what the coach chooses, not because of the school or "the job."
Quote from: Pakuni on March 27, 2013, 01:43:15 PM
And the point I've been trying to make is there really is no such thing as a "destination job."
If a coach happens to stay in one job for a long time - Coach K at Duke, Izzo at MSU - it's because that's what the coach chooses, not because of the school or "the job."
100% agree.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on March 27, 2013, 12:51:38 PM
In that case, Kansas also isn't a destination job. Just ask Roy Williams.
Every college coach, and I mean EVERY college coach, has a dream job for which they'd leave their current position.
What's Roy Williams' dream job he'd leave UNC for?
Quote from: sixstrings03 on March 27, 2013, 06:14:25 PM
What's Roy Williams' dream job he'd leave UNC for?
Roy Williams coached Kansas and went to UNC, that's why you would ask him if Kansas is a destination job.
Quote from: PTM on March 27, 2013, 06:16:17 PM
Roy Williams coached Kansas and went to UNC, that's why you would ask him if Kansas is a destination job.
the statement made was "Every college coach, and I mean EVERY college coach, has a dream job for which they'd leave their current position"
So that means Roy has his eye on at least one other job.
Roy to Minnesota!
Quote from: sixstrings03 on March 27, 2013, 06:14:25 PM
What's Roy Williams' dream job he'd leave UNC for?
A few more years like this one, and UNC may make that decision for him.
Quote from: wardle2wade on March 27, 2013, 12:33:05 PM
I also believe this happens due to Buzz's age coupled with the sometimes-negative connotation of Milwaukee/Wisconsin by.....Chicagoans. I love Brewtown, but others enjoy ripping on what they don't know.
I believe Wisconsin would also have to deal with the rumor mill, but don't since Bo is 125 years old.
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