Mike Woods - Marquette has surpassed Badgers State's Top Program

[Warriors Forever]

Sorry if this article was posted before...

http://www.postcrescent.com/article/20130326/APC02/303260252/Mike-Woods-column-Marquette-has-surpassed-Badgers-state-s-top-program?nclick_check=1

[ChicosBailBonds]

Sorry if this article was posted before...

http://www.postcrescent.com/article/20130326/APC02/303260252/Mike-Woods-column-Marquette-has-surpassed-Badgers-state-s-top-program?nclick_check=1

"Williams' name surfacing tells you many believe this remains a stepping stone job and not a destination job. That, above all, is the perception Marquette needs to change"

This is the part that continues to bother me most.  This is also why I hope Buzz stays many many many years at Marquette.

[Eldon]

"Williams' name surfacing tells you many believe this remains a stepping stone job and not a destination job. That, above all, is the perception Marquette needs to change"

This is the part that continues to bother me most.  This is also why I hope Buzz stays many many many years at Marquette.

Boom-shaka-laka! My sentiments exactly

[tower912]

top 17 in NCAA tourney wins.   Top 20 all time program.   3 straight sweet 16's, one of 4 teams with that active streak.   Still, the shorthand among the national media is that MU is a spunky little underdog punching above its weight.    And next year, I am sure that some will leave MU off of their preseason rankings.    

[wardle2wade]

"If Marquette is to get to its first Final Four since 2003, it will first have to take down the ACC's regular season and tournament champion in Miami, and if it survives that a likely matchup with Big Ten regular-season champ and top-seed Indiana."

I don't mean to hijack the thread, but I'm also surprised by how many media people have glossed over Cuse in favor of IU.  I think it's a very tough matchup for the Hoosiers, and I think that Southerland goes off.

[Warriors10]

"Williams' name surfacing tells you many believe this remains a stepping stone job and not a destination job. That, above all, is the perception Marquette needs to change"

This is the part that continues to bother me most.  This is also why I hope Buzz stays many many many years at Marquette.

I'm I allowed to call Badger football a stepping-stone job now because Bret jumped ships to Arkansas?

Marquette is a destination job.  Crean left for INDIANA and if Buzz leaves to UCLA, he went to UCLA.  Those are top jobs in college basketball that only a handful of programs can keep their coaches over (unless prior connections/loyalities like JTIII or Buzz who has said he'll stay as long as he's wanted).  Who cares what the perception of the public is with coaching jobs, its all about the coaches perception of the job.

[Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown]

"If Marquette is to get to its first Final Four since 2003, it will first have to take down the ACC's regular season and tournament champion in Miami, and if it survives that a likely matchup with Big Ten regular-season champ and top-seed Indiana."

I don't mean to hijack the thread, but I'm also surprised by how many media people have glossed over Cuse in favor of IU.  I think it's a very tough matchup for the Hoosiers, and I think that Southerland goes off.

Agree - I'd love a TC matchup but I think IU gets housed

[Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown]

I'm I allowed to call Badger football a stepping-stone job now because Bret jumped ships to Arkansas?

Yes. Absolutely. Not teal.

[tower912]

"If Marquette is to get to its first Final Four since 2003, it will first have to take down the ACC's regular season and tournament champion in Miami, and if it survives that a likely matchup with Big Ten regular-season champ and top-seed Indiana."

I don't mean to hijack the thread, but I'm also surprised by how many media people have glossed over Cuse in favor of IU.  I think it's a very tough matchup for the Hoosiers, and I think that Southerland goes off.

Shouldn't that first sentence read....if the Big East regular season champ is to get......
National media keeps ignroing that little fact, too.   As if 14-4 happened by accident.    BTW, what were the records of IU and Miami in conference.    MU has nothing to apologize for and if they can keep going, the national media will.

[Lennys Tap]

I'm I allowed to call Badger football a stepping-stone job now because Bret jumped ships to Arkansas?

Marquette is a destination job.  Crean left for INDIANA and if Buzz leaves to UCLA, he went to UCLA.  Those are top jobs in college basketball that only a handful of programs can keep their coaches over

Only elite program like Butler and VCU?

[Warriors10]

Only elite program like Butler and VCU?

See that goes to the point of who cares what the public perspection is on coaching destinations.  Stevens and Smart obviously feel their positions at Butler and VCU are better for them than programs like UCLA (well we don't know about that one yet) even though the public would think that is a better move for them.

[wardle2wade]

Shouldn't that first sentence read....if the Big East regular season champ is to get......
National media keeps ignroing that little fact, too.   As if 14-4 happened by accident.    BTW, what were the records of IU and Miami in conference.    MU has nothing to apologize for and if they can keep going, the national media will.

Great point.  Maybe a win tomorrow will jog their memories.

[Pakuni]

Only elite program like Butler and VCU?

Stevens and Smart won't stay at Butler/VCU forever. They're just biding their time for whatever may be their ideal situations.
Outside of UCLA - which arguably is radioactive given the cesspool in LA and the way Howland was treated - it's not as if Stevens and Smart are turning down bluebloods.

[The Lens]

The competition is stuff and so are the coaches.  If Buzz gets to the Final Four, he will not have done so cheaply:

McKillop (Elite 8 experience)
Stevens (2 Finals)
Laranaga (Final Four)
Boeheim (Champ) / Crean (Final Four)

This weekend is gonna be a b!tch but it could be spectacular.

[Groin_pull]

Stevens and Smart won't stay at Butler/VCU forever. They're just biding their time for whatever may be their ideal situations.
Outside of UCLA - which arguably is radioactive given the cesspool in LA and the way Howland was treated - it's not as if Stevens and Smart are turning down bluebloods.

Why can't they stay at VCU and Butler forever??? Why is it so hard for people to understand they may be perfectly happy in their current situations???

[wardle2wade]

Why can't they stay at VCU and Butler forever??? Why is it so hard for people to understand they may be perfectly happy in their current situations???

People are just playing the odds... It's a longshor.  If either is going to stay forever, I'd say it's Stevens.

[MUMountin]

"Williams' name surfacing tells you many believe this remains a stepping stone job and not a destination job. That, above all, is the perception Marquette needs to change"

This is the part that continues to bother me most.  This is also why I hope Buzz stays many many many years at Marquette.

In my mind, Buzz is a few years away from being insulated from those sorts of rumors.  Make a few more tourney runs, turn down (or not entertain) a few more "coveted" jobs, and the press will eventually get the idea that he's not going anywhere--or at least, not jumping at any big-name position.  I think he is starting to get close to that point, but we probably have to endure a couple more years of the speculation until the media gets tired of it.

[Silkk the Shaka]

In my mind, Buzz is a few years away from being insulated from those sorts of rumors.  Make a few more tourney runs, turn down (or not entertain) a few more "coveted" jobs, and the press will eventually get the idea that he's not going anywhere--or at least, not jumping at any big-name position.  I think he is starting to get close to that point, but we probably have to endure a couple more years of the speculation until the media gets tired of it.

Example: Jay Wright

[wardle2wade]

I also believe this happens due to Buzz's age coupled with the sometimes-negative connotation of Milwaukee/Wisconsin by outsiders.  I love Brewtown, but others enjoy ripping on what they don't know.

I believe Wisconsin would also have to deal with the rumor mill, but don't since Bo is 125 years old.

[tower912]

Buzz will never be completely insulated from these rumors.   Both Izzo and K have been mentioned for other jobs recently, either in college or the NBA.   I've seen Calipari and Donovan  tossed out for the UCLA job.   The only successful coaches who never get mentioned are Bo, Boeheim, JT3, Roy and the legend, Stew Morrill (sp?)

[Lennys Tap]

Stevens and Smart won't stay at Butler/VCU forever. They're just biding their time for whatever may be their ideal situations.
Outside of UCLA - which arguably is radioactive given the cesspool in LA and the way Howland was treated - it's not as if Stevens and Smart are turning down bluebloods.

Forever is a long time. Wooden was the last forever at UCLA, Rupp at Kentucky, Knight at Indiana, Smith at UNC. I don't remember the last "forever" guy at Kansas - maybe Phog Allen. Except for Coach K, today's "forevers" are at non blue bloods like Michigan St and Gonzaga. With guys turning down the likes of Illinois and UCLA to stay at Butler or VCU and opting to remain at Florida over a Kentucky or staying in Spokane, Wa over all comers maybe it's time to reexamine the whole "destination job" concept.

[Pakuni]

Why can't they stay at VCU and Butler forever??? Why is it so hard for people to understand they may be perfectly happy in their current situations???

How many coaches stay at their first head-coaching gigs forever?

[moomoo]

Why can't they stay at VCU and Butler forever??? Why is it so hard for people to understand they may be perfectly happy in their current situations???

totally agree, groin pull.  Destination jobs are where people are happy.  And if you add the fact that it pays REAL well and has a strong history, MU is undeniably a destination job.

[Pakuni]

Forever is a long time. Wooden was the last forever at UCLA, Rupp at Kentucky, Knight at Indiana, Smith at UNC. I don't remember the last "forever" guy at Kansas - maybe Phog Allen. Except for Coach K, today's "forevers" are at non blue bloods like Michigan St and Gonzaga. With guys turning down the likes of Illinois and UCLA to stay at Butler or VCU and opting to remain at Florida over a Kentucky or staying in Spokane, Wa over all comers maybe it's time to reexamine the whole "destination job" concept.

Wooden coached at Indiana State before UCLA.
Knight at Army before Indiana.
Even they weren't "forever" guys.
Illinois isn't a destination job. Just ask Bill Self.
UCLA could be, but there are plenty of reasons that's not an especially attractive job right now.

[TallTitan34]

How many coaches stay at their first head-coaching gigs forever?

Lucky for us Buzz was head coach at UNO!