Interestin domino theories out there, maybe the rumors were true from last month. Feeling is the guy they want, Donovan, is still in tournament so they will wait to do anything until that situation settles itself. Dixon to USC is still very hot. Miller to Pitt? Don't know, but maybe.
The article does not speculate on replacements, but that has been the buzz around town the last 6 weeks.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/college/basketball/la-sp-0323-plaschke-ucla-20130323,0,1330115.column
Buzz to UCLA.
And USC and Pitt.
All at the same time.
Oh, and Texas, too. Don't forget Texas. Never forget Texas.
I know Miller played at Pitt, but would he really leave Arizona to take that job? It's a step down in a lot of ways.
Also, would Donovan really take UCLA? I know it's UCLA, but he already turned down the NBA to stay at Florida. If he does, I assume Florida goes after Shaka.
Pitt is a GIANT Step down from Arizona, especially since Pitt will most likely become a mid level ACC team.
UCLA may have the better name brand, but with it will come a lot of pressure from the alumni to win now. Donovan has a good thing going, you don't mess with good.
I think this would be the one to finally budge Mark Few.
Donovan won't leave Florida. I think he's there for life. As big as UCLA is, he's already bringing in top-10 recruiting classes, winning titles, and has the chance to go to the Final Four every year. What might worry me would be Brad Stevens. Could UCLA be big enough to get him away from Butler? He seems very happy there, but it would suck for Butler to come to the NBE without him.
Well for the blue blood jobs this is the one we don't have to worry about Buzz taking. UCLA will not be interested and neither will Buzz.
Now the dominoes that might fall out of this.... that is a different story.
Would Howland go back to Pitt?
Quote from: DCWarriors04 on March 23, 2013, 09:56:06 AM
Pitt is a GIANT Step down from Arizona, especially since Pitt will most likely become a mid level ACC team.
Who knows what is in his mind? Maybe he wants to go home. Maybe his wife doesn't like Arizona. Maybe he doesn't get along with the AD.
OTOH, maybe you can't go home again. Maybe he loves his players too much.
It wouldn't be out of the question that he leaves, but you are probably right.
Howland is a very good coach and will end up somewhere good for him. Stepping back to the MWC would probably be good for him.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 23, 2013, 10:02:36 AM
Donovan won't leave Florida. I think he's there for life. As big as UCLA is, he's already bringing in top-10 recruiting classes, winning titles, and has the chance to go to the Final Four every year.
Plus Donovan makes $3.5M per year at Florida. He would require a raise from that, plus enough years to guarantee the raise even if things wouldn't work out. Don't think he's going anywhere.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 23, 2013, 10:02:36 AM
Donovan won't leave Florida. I think he's there for life. As big as UCLA is, he's already bringing in top-10 recruiting classes, winning titles, and has the chance to go to the Final Four every year. What might worry me would be Brad Stevens. Could UCLA be big enough to get him away from Butler? He seems very happy there, but it would suck for Butler to come to the NBE without him.
I think at this point, Florida is as good, if not better job than UCLA. Unless he wants a new challenge, I don't see why he would leave. I mean, he's turned down Kentucky a couple times right?
As well as the NBA.
My friend, a huge PITT alum with contacts says Dixon to USC is a done deal. Dixon not happy with split from BE, was a huge backer of BE and wants no part of ACC and starting over. He wants to go back to west coast. No idea of who would replace, but did mention they would inquire about Miller.
We shall see.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 23, 2013, 09:29:12 AM
Interestin domino theories out there, maybe the rumors were true from last month. Feeling is the guy they want, Donovan, is still in tournament so they will wait to do anything until that situation settles itself. Dixon to USC is still very hot. Miller to Pitt? Don't know, but maybe.
The article does not speculate on replacements, but that has been the buzz around town the last 6 weeks.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/college/basketball/la-sp-0323-plaschke-ucla-20130323,0,1330115.column
Why in the world would Sean Miller leave Arizona for Pitt? Zona is one of the premier gigs, good pay, great fan base and nice weather. He gets along very well with Greg Byrne. Not happening.
Here comes Shaka.
Howland to SLU?
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 23, 2013, 10:16:42 AM
I think at this point, Florida is as good, if not better job than UCLA. Unless he wants a new challenge, I don't see why he would leave. I mean, he's turned down Kentucky a couple times right?
Come-on. I don't think Donovan is leaving, but Florida is in no way shape or form better than UCLA. There are only 4 schools you could argue are (UK, UNC, Indiana, Kansas).
Superbar? This has absolutely nothing to do with MU bball.. This opinionated speculation garbage is a waste of time.
The problem is always comparing 2 jobs from the perspective of someone that already has one of them and would be looking to move vs. an independent person that would pick between the two. Given the choice, most people would pick UCLA. But I don't think it's a big enough jump to pull Donovan from Florida.
Go team!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Anybody ever been to Brentwood? With the cash a UCLA coach pulls down, can't imagine you'd want to be at Texas, Pitt, Florida, etc. over the Bruins. Plus, it's still a blue blood, just needs the right leader.
Quote from: MarquetteFan94 on March 23, 2013, 11:01:22 AM
Superbar? This has absolutely nothing to do with MU bball.. This opinionated speculation garbage is a waste of time.
Suuuuuuuuuuuuuper Baaaaaaaaaaaar!
Quote from: MUBurrow on March 23, 2013, 09:58:47 AM
I think this would be the one to finally budge Mark Few.
Why? UCLA has chased him before. Few is not interested.
UCLA is very cheap when it comes to paying its coaches.
Quote from: Groin_pull on March 23, 2013, 11:28:17 AM
UCLA is very cheap when it comes to paying its coaches.
Rumors here are that now ends. $5 million for Donovan to come to UCLA.
Quote from: Aughnanure on March 23, 2013, 10:46:44 AM
Come-on. I don't think Donovan is leaving, but Florida is in no way shape or form better than UCLA. There are only 4 schools you could argue are (UK, UNC, Indiana, Kansas).
If it were 1983, maybe even 1993, you'd be correct.
But in 2013, UCLA is not a better job. Maybe not worse, but it no better.
Donovan has a terrific recruiting base, plus can recruit nationwide; a warm weather campus; respectable academics (like it matters); a relevant tradition of winning (kids born in 1997 don't care much about John Wooden and Lew Alcindor); he's paid extraordinarily well; he's got a national profile.
Really, other than some dusty banners, crotchety boosters and unrealistic expectations, what can UCLA offer tgat Florida cannot?
The only inside knowledge* of any college basketball that I have: My best friend from childhood is close with Miller at Arizona. He's absolutely not leaving for Pitt - no chance in hell.
*I have no proof of this, take it or leave it.
Quote from: Aughnanure on March 23, 2013, 10:46:44 AM
Come-on. I don't think Donovan is leaving, but Florida is in no way shape or form better than UCLA. There are only 4 schools you could argue are (UK, UNC, Indiana, Kansas).
How do you measure if it is better? Donovan wins national championships, attracts recruits, and has all the resources he needs at his disposal. What else do you need?
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 23, 2013, 11:54:14 AM
How do you measure if it is better? Donovan wins national championships, attracts recruits, and has all the resources he needs at his disposal. What else do you need?
Plus, no state income taxes in Florida.
Not to mention that living in a place like Gainesville would be much more appealing than Los Angeles for a lot of people.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 23, 2013, 11:58:12 AM
Plus, no state income taxes in Florida.
Yeah, especially comparing the 125321% you guys pay in California. :o
Billy Donovan would win if he coached at UW Green Bay. That said, really no reason for him ever to leave Florida with only exception being ego.
Quote from: Goose on March 23, 2013, 12:03:46 PM
Billy Donovan would win if he coached at UW Green Bay. That said, really no reason for him ever to leave Florida with only exception being ego.
Well, the one thing no one is talking about is prestige. It's still Florida...Football is 1. Football signing period is 2. Football spring practice is 3. Gator basketball is 4.
At UCLA, basketball is #1.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 23, 2013, 11:32:58 AM
If it were 1983, maybe even 1993, you'd be correct.
But in 2013, UCLA is not a better job. Maybe not worse, but it no better.
Donovan has a terrific recruiting base, plus can recruit nationwide; a warm weather campus; respectable academics (like it matters); a relevant tradition of winning (kids born in 1997 don't care much about John Wooden and Lew Alcindor); he's paid extraordinarily well; he's got a national profile.
Really, other than some dusty banners, crotchety boosters and unrealistic expectations, what can UCLA offer tgat Florida cannot?
+1
This isn't your father or grandfather's UCLA. John Wooden
and Lew Alcindor ain't walkin' through that door. Florida
IS a better gig than UCLA.
Any chance Pitino throws his hat in? Wasn't he snooping around the Indiana job when it opened?
Quote from: LAZER on March 23, 2013, 12:12:15 PM
Any chance Pitino throws his hat in? Wasn't he snooping around the Indiana job when it opened?
He has his horses in Louisville. He'll retire at UL
Quote from: LAZER on March 23, 2013, 12:12:15 PM
Any chance Pitino throws his hat in? Wasn't he snooping around the Indiana job when it opened?
Not sure the UCLA job is better than the Louisville job either frankly...especially with their move to the ACC.
Quote from: lab_warrior on March 23, 2013, 12:08:43 PM
+1
This isn't your father or grandfather's UCLA. John Wooden
and Lew Alcindor ain't walkin' through that door. Florida
IS a better gig than UCLA.
Since folks love the RSCI so much here....those guys might not be walking through the door, but the recruiting talent is a lot different.
Last year's RSCI had 8 players from California....0 of them went to UCLA. Arizona, UNLV, Oregon, Cal, Colorado got them. Only two top 100 players from the state of Florida that year.
Year prior, 9 from California...1 went to UCLA. St. John's, Uconn, Marquette, Arizona, got them. Only 1 top 100 player from state of Florida that year.
Year prior, 8 from California...1 went to UCLA. Stanford, ASU, St. John's, USC, Cal got them. 5 top 100 players from state of Florida.
Year prior, 11 from California...1 went to UCLA. Texas, North Carolina, USC, Georgetown, Mississippi State got them. 5 top 100 players from the state of Florida
Quote from: MUBurrow on March 23, 2013, 09:58:47 AM
I think this would be the one to finally budge Mark Few.
You know, I think you're right.
What happened to Dixon to UCLA?
If I were him, I'd do it.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on March 23, 2013, 12:30:48 PM
You know, I think you're right.
What happened to Dixon to UCLA?
If I were him, I'd do it.
Unlikely to happen. People here view him as a Howland disciple and that's what they are trying to get away from. They all agree Howland is a very good coach, but the HS and AAU coaches aren't buying into him, the players aren't, and the style is boring....attendance lagging. Fair or not, Dixon is tied to Ben from coaching with him at several stops as an assistant.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 23, 2013, 12:14:25 PM
He has his horses in Louisville. He'll retire at UL
And his favorite eatery.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 23, 2013, 12:14:25 PM
He has his horses stable in Louisville. He'll retire at UL
Fixed.
And his favorite eatery
Italian as I recall !?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 23, 2013, 12:37:33 PM
Unlikely to happen. People here view him as a Howland disciple and that's what they are trying to get away from. They all agree Howland is a very good coach, but the HS and AAU coaches aren't buying into him, the players aren't, and the style is boring....attendance lagging. Fair or not, Dixon is tied to Ben from coaching with him at several stops as an assistant.
Makes sense.
I wonder if they go regional or big name.
Shaka Smart would be a great get: his defense and trademark "HAVOC" would be an instant hit.
Pastner would be good too. He's a recruiter but not yet a proven winner (as is Shaka).
Maybe Bo Ryan. He's a proven coach...who needs a tan.
Quote from: MUBurrow on March 23, 2013, 09:58:47 AM
I think this would be the one to finally budge Mark Few.
I have a friend who fly fishes with Few and Stockton (Stockton is the one who 'hooked' Karl Malone on fly fishing, by the way.) Few fly fishes most mornings and then gets on with his day. Unless the browns are better in LA Few won't leave Spokane for anything.
Few has got the world by the balls. He is set for life and his wife isn't about to leave. If you have not been to the Inland Empire it is truly God's Country and Few knows it. Besides, who would want to live in LA as well as deal with an unrealistic alumni base?
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on March 23, 2013, 01:28:23 PM
Maybe Bo Ryan. He's a proven coach...who needs a tan.
Then send Jerry Wainwright. That man needs a tan more than anyone I know.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 23, 2013, 12:24:41 PM
Since folks love the RSCI so much here....those guys might not be walking through the door, but the recruiting talent is a lot different.
Last year's RSCI had 8 players from California....0 of them went to UCLA. Arizona, UNLV, Oregon, Cal, Colorado got them. Only two top 100 players from the state of Florida that year.
Year prior, 9 from California...1 went to UCLA. St. John's, Uconn, Marquette, Arizona, got them. Only 1 top 100 player from state of Florida that year.
Year prior, 8 from California...1 went to UCLA. Stanford, ASU, St. John's, USC, Cal got them. 5 top 100 players from state of Florida.
Year prior, 11 from California...1 went to UCLA. Texas, North Carolina, USC, Georgetown, Mississippi State got them. 5 top 100 players from the state of Florida
So the largest state in the union by far produces a large number of talented basketball players?
Duly noted.
Not sure what you're getting at, though. None of this change the fact that a) Donovan has an excellent recruiting base (eight kids on the current roster come from Florida) and b) Donovan has been able to recruit elite players nationally at Florida (Beal, Noah, Horford, Lee, Miller, Roberson, Brewer, Bonner, Speights, etc., all from out of state).
Donovan already has an elite program at Florida ... one that, mind you, twice beat UCLA on its way to national championships. Other than
maybe money, there's no reason for him to go to UCLA. He's got at Florida everything UCLA has to offer, minus the unrealistic expectations.
Looks like your friend is wrong....Dixon just signed an extension at Pitt today through 2023....
Quote from: nyg on March 23, 2013, 10:33:41 AM
My friend, a huge PITT alum with contacts says Dixon to USC is a done deal. Dixon not happy with split from BE, was a huge backer of BE and wants no part of ACC and starting over. He wants to go back to west coast. No idea of who would replace, but did mention they would inquire about Miller.
We shall see.
Quote from: MuMark on March 23, 2013, 04:03:42 PM
Looks like your friend is wrong....Dixon just signed an extension at Pitt today through 2023....
Very wrong if true. Sometimes the facts are not what friends say, time for eating crow on his behalf. Thanks
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 23, 2013, 09:29:12 AM
Interestin domino theories out there, maybe the rumors were true from last month. Feeling is the guy they want, Donovan, is still in tournament so they will wait to do anything until that situation settles itself. Dixon to USC is still very hot. Miller to Pitt? Don't know, but maybe.
The article does not speculate on replacements, but that has been the buzz around town the last 6 weeks.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/college/basketball/la-sp-0323-plaschke-ucla-20130323,0,1330115.column
Superbar?
Quote from: nyg on March 23, 2013, 10:33:41 AM
My friend, a huge PITT alum with contacts says Dixon to USC is a done deal. Dixon not happy with split from BE, was a huge backer of BE and wants no part of ACC and starting over. He wants to go back to west coast. No idea of who would replace, but did mention they would inquire about Miller.
We shall see.
Guess Dixon hasn't spoken to your mate recently.
Quote from: keefe on March 23, 2013, 05:02:46 PM
Guess Dixon hasn't spoken to your mate recently.
Yup, already answered that one.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 23, 2013, 11:32:58 AM
If it were 1983, maybe even 1993, you'd be correct.
But in 2013, UCLA is not a better job. Maybe not worse, but it no better.
Donovan has a terrific recruiting base, plus can recruit nationwide; a warm weather campus; respectable academics (like it matters); a relevant tradition of winning (kids born in 1997 don't care much about John Wooden and Lew Alcindor); he's paid extraordinarily well; he's got a national profile.
Really, other than some dusty banners, crotchety boosters and unrealistic expectations, what can UCLA offer tgat Florida cannot?
There is no comparison here. More banners hang at Pauley than anywhere. I don't care how many years ago they were, no school compares. The right coach can get that engine started. UCLA is a great school, almost impossible to get into for students. They need the right coach and its off to the races.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 23, 2013, 04:01:48 PM
So the largest state in the union by far produces a large number of talented basketball players?
Duly noted.
Not sure what you're getting at, though. None of this change the fact that a) Donovan has an excellent recruiting base (eight kids on the current roster come from Florida) and b) Donovan has been able to recruit elite players nationally at Florida (Beal, Noah, Horford, Lee, Miller, Roberson, Brewer, Bonner, Speights, etc., all from out of state).
Donovan already has an elite program at Florida ... one that, mind you, twice beat UCLA on its way to national championships. Other than maybe money, there's no reason for him to go to UCLA. He's got at Florida everything UCLA has to offer, minus the unrealistic expectations.
Not disputing that about his class. There are just more opportunities here for talent.
He may want to stay, he may not. UCLA is a basketball school, Florida is not. That may matter, it may not. $5 million would matter because I don't think Florida wants to pay their basketball coach more than the football coach.
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 23, 2013, 05:10:17 PM
There is no comparison here. More banners hang at Pauley than anywhere. I don't care how many years ago they were, no school compares. The right coach can get that engine started. UCLA is a great school, almost impossible to get into for students. They need the right coach and its off to the races.
Yale has won more football championships than Florida. That doesn't make it a better job. And yeah, that is an extreme example, but IMO the past is the past. It should be honored and looked back on with pride, and adds to the mystique of the place, but doesn't matter as much as a number of factors.
UCLA is still probably the "better gig" on paper, but given what Billy D. has done at UF, UF is a better gig for him personally.
Now, UCLA obviously has some baggage (high expectations, politics with boosters, etc.), but, I imagine winning in Westwood has got to be fantastic.
The Bruins will never be the Lakers, but the right coach could do very well in that town.
I think Howland is an outstanding coach, but I don't know if his style really fits UCLA. They would probably be better off with an up and down style of play. Shaka time?
Donovan makes 3.6 million a year. 5 million would be a nice raise and would probably be a long term deal.
Just checked coaches salaries and Pitino makes 7.5 million? crazy. Heck, Buzz at 2.8 is crazy.
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 23, 2013, 05:10:17 PM
There is no comparison here. More banners hang at Pauley than anywhere. I don't care how many years ago they were, no school compares. The right coach can get that engine started. UCLA is a great school, almost impossible to get into for students. They need the right coach and its off to the races.
They've been saying this for 30+ years.
At what point do distant glories become irrelevant?
Quote from: Pakuni on March 23, 2013, 05:57:44 PM
They've been saying this for 30+ years.
At what point do distant glories become irrelevant?
Gee, Al retired in 1977...
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 23, 2013, 05:15:33 PM
Yale has won more football championships than Florida. That doesn't make it a better job. And yeah, that is an extreme example, but IMO the past is the past. It should be honored and looked back on with pride, and adds to the mystique of the place, but doesn't matter as much as a number of factors.
Absurd example. UCLA was just in three straight Final Fours in the last decade. Yale gave up scholarships decades ago.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 23, 2013, 05:57:44 PM
They've been saying this for 30+ years.
At what point do distant glories become irrelevant?
They won a national title in the 1990's and played for the Title less than a decade ago, plus went to three Final Fours in the last 7 years