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Title: C7 + 3 in the 2013 Postseason
Post by: MUFlutieEffect on March 22, 2013, 07:08:00 PM
Currently sitting at 5-0, but likely to make it 6-1 by night's end (I'll assume the Hoyas win, but it appears Nova is goin' down).  Of course, regardless of tomorrow's outcome, we'll see one win and one loss with Marquette taking on Butler tomorrow evening.

NCAA: 3-0
Marquette: 1-0 (Marquette 59, Davidson 58)
Butler: 1-0 (Butler 68, Bucknell 56)
Creighton: 1-0 (Creighton 67, Cincinnati 63)
Georgetown: In-progress v. FGCU
Villanova: In-progress v. UNC

NIT: 2-0
St. John's: 1-0 (St. John’s 63, St. Joseph’s 61)
Providence: 1-0 (Providence 75, Charlotte 66)

No Postseason
Xavier
DePaul
Seton Hall
Title: Re: C7 + 3 in the 2013 Postseason
Post by: mu_hilltopper on March 22, 2013, 07:23:33 PM
Currently sitting at 5-0, but likely to make it 6-1 by night's end (I'll assume the Hoyas win, but it appears Nova is goin' down). 


Yeahhhhhh .. about Georgetown...
Title: Re: C7 + 3 in the 2013 Postseason
Post by: nathanziarek on March 22, 2013, 07:25:50 PM

Yeahhhhhh .. about Georgetown...
What? They got it down to 15.
Title: Re: C7 + 3 in the 2013 Postseason
Post by: Blackhat on March 22, 2013, 07:26:08 PM
Weird seeing Xavier sitting out a tournament.   Hopefully Chris Mack isn't tanking that program.


Georgetown again underachieving as it stands currently.
Title: Re: C7 + 3 in the 2013 Postseason
Post by: MUFlutieEffect on March 22, 2013, 08:39:33 PM
Updated at the conclusion of the Round of 64:

NCAA: 3-2
Marquette: 1-0 (Marquette 59, Davidson 58)
Butler: 1-0 (Butler 68, Bucknell 56)
Creighton: 1-0 (Creighton 67, Cincinnati 63)
Georgetown: 0-1 (Florida Gulf Coast 78, Georgetown 68)
Villanova: 0-1 (North Carolina 78, Villanova 71)

NIT: 2-0
St. John's: 1-0 (St. John’s 63, St. Joseph’s 61)
Providence: 1-0 (Providence 75, Charlotte 66)

No Postseason
Xavier
DePaul
Seton Hall
Title: Re: C7 + 3 in the 2013 Postseason
Post by: mu_hilltopper on March 22, 2013, 09:01:48 PM
How did Xavier not get invited to the NIT?  Or the CIT?  Kenpom has them at 77.

Ah, answers:

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/80180/3-point-shot-xaviers-nit-snub
Title: Re: C7 + 3 in the 2013 Postseason
Post by: Eldon on March 22, 2013, 09:33:40 PM
Do most teams even play their starters in the NIT?
Title: Re: C7 + 3 in the 2013 Postseason
Post by: Litehouse on March 22, 2013, 09:41:40 PM
Why would X turn down the CBI?
Title: Re: C7 + 3 in the 2013 Postseason
Post by: LastWarrior on March 22, 2013, 10:12:30 PM
Why would X turn down the CBI?

I don't know but if you don't make the NCAA or NIT, how bad are you and do you really want to admit being in the CBI? 
Title: Re: C7 + 3 in the 2013 Postseason
Post by: Litehouse on March 23, 2013, 06:57:11 AM
Texas, Purdue and Richmond accepted invites. Does Xavier think they're too good to play with Texas?  Get the kids some more experience and build toward next year.
Title: Re: C7 + 3 in the 2013 Postseason
Post by: MUFlutieEffect on March 23, 2013, 07:38:04 AM
Texas, Purdue and Richmond accepted invites. Does Xavier think they're too good to play with Texas?  Get the kids some more experience and build toward next year.

Agreed - seems as though X is feeling a sense of superiority.  On the other hand, how furious would MU fans be if Marquette won the CBI and wanted to hang a banner for it?
Title: Re: C7 + 3 in the 2013 Postseason
Post by: mu_hilltopper on March 23, 2013, 07:53:59 AM
.. how furious would MU fans be if Marquette won the CBI and wanted to hang a banner for it?

They would be 3% furious.  The other 97% who aren't internet nerds would be fine with it.
Title: Re: C7 + 3 in the 2013 Postseason
Post by: keefe on March 23, 2013, 07:56:28 AM
how furious would MU fans be if Marquette won the CBI and wanted to hang a banner for it?

The guy who would have done that was fired in 2008. Fired for cause, I might add.
Title: Re: C7 + 3 in the 2013 Postseason
Post by: Litehouse on March 23, 2013, 08:22:42 AM
So, if we win the conference tournament next year, does it get it's own banner? or do we just add another year to the existing National Catholic Tournament banner?
Title: Re: C7 + 3 in the 2013 Postseason
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on March 23, 2013, 09:11:21 AM
Why would X turn down the CBI?
The CBI is a pay to play tourney. If you get a home game you better get 3,000 in attendance just to break even on the cost.
Title: Re: C7 + 3 in the 2013 Postseason
Post by: Villacats on March 23, 2013, 09:20:32 AM
UNC was a terrible matchup for Nova. Would have rather played any other 3-8 seed in the field last night except maybe VCU. Cats have got a lot of fight in them though, I liked that. Looking forward to next year. Good luck tonight.
Title: Re: C7 + 3 in the 2013 Postseason
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on March 23, 2013, 09:22:16 AM
I was very happy how Nova showed alot fight to come back and take the lead. It was very ugly for them. I think it was 32-13 UNC at one point.
Title: Re: C7 + 3 in the 2013 Postseason
Post by: MUFlutieEffect on March 24, 2013, 11:09:59 PM
And then there were two (only Marquette and Providence are left playing)...

Updated at the conclusion of the Round of 64:

NCAA: 4-4
Marquette: 2-0 (Marquette 59, Davidson 58; Marquette 74, Butler 72)
Butler: 1-1 (Butler 68, Bucknell 56; Marquette 74, Butler 72)
Creighton: 1-1 (Creighton 67, Cincinnati 63; Duke 66, Creighton 50)
Georgetown: 0-1 (Florida Gulf Coast 78, Georgetown 68)
Villanova: 0-1 (North Carolina 78, Villanova 71)

NIT: 2-1
St. John's: 1-1 (St. John’s 63, St. Joseph’s 61; Virginia 68, St. John's 50)
Providence: 1-0 (Providence 75, Charlotte 66)

No Postseason
Xavier
DePaul
Seton Hall
Title: Re: C7 + 3 in the 2013 Postseason
Post by: Coleman on March 25, 2013, 09:56:09 AM
So, assuming no more wins for the rest of the conference this year, what's the NCAA and NIT credit situation going into the new league? How much do we collectively bring together, including past credits and credits earned this year?
Title: Re: C7 + 3 in the 2013 Postseason
Post by: Eldon on March 25, 2013, 11:30:37 AM
So, assuming no more wins for the rest of the conference this year, what's the NCAA and NIT credit situation going into the new league? How much do we collectively bring together, including past credits and credits earned this year?

I was wondering the same thing.  Should I be rooting for Cuse because we get more money?  Or did we forego all of that for the BE name?
Title: Re: C7 + 3 in the 2013 Postseason
Post by: Coleman on March 25, 2013, 01:07:40 PM
I believe we don't get Cuse or L'ville's money. Its just the C7 that goes with us, along with Creighton and Xavier's credits. Its my understanding Butler's credits stay with the A-10.
Title: Re: C7 + 3 in the 2013 Postseason
Post by: Litehouse on March 25, 2013, 01:21:33 PM
I'm pretty sure we don't get Xavier or Creighton's credits either.  The credits stay with the conference.
Title: Re: C7 + 3 in the 2013 Postseason
Post by: Coleman on March 25, 2013, 01:24:48 PM
Dang. I know generally that's how it works but I thought I remembered reading that Creighton and X had special arrangements with the MVC and A-10 respectively (I thought Xavier in particular kept all NCAA credits earned, it was not shared amongst the conference). Maybe that was just exit fees though.
Title: Re: C7 + 3 in the 2013 Postseason
Post by: Litehouse on March 25, 2013, 01:28:15 PM
Each conference can distribute the credits however they want.  I believe the A10 had an arrangement where they would distibute half the money from any credits to the team that earned them first, then the other half got split with everyon else.  But it's still up to the conference to distribute it, and I seriously doubt they'll give any to a school after they leave.  Just like how we left behind the credits for our 2003 run with C-USA.
Title: Re: C7 + 3 in the 2013 Postseason
Post by: chapman on March 25, 2013, 01:29:02 PM
Believe the A-10 rule, or X's situation specifically was that they keep most or all of their own credits - but it was conditional on still being a member of the conference.  

The UL, Cuse, exit fees and credits are with the football schools.  Our cash takeaway in the split was a lump sum of $10M, so the reward of the additional credits earned, and the risk that goes along with any issues they might have collecting the exit fee money, etc. are all on them.
Title: Re: C7 + 3 in the 2013 Postseason
Post by: chapman on March 26, 2013, 09:29:49 PM
Providence defeated Robert Morris last night, will play Baylor in Waco Wednesday with an NIT Final Four at stake.  MU's portion of the tournament share will allow us to invest in new ball racks.
Title: Re: C7 + 3 in the 2013 Postseason
Post by: MUFlutieEffect on March 30, 2013, 11:45:07 PM
And then there were none - the "New" Big East finishes the 2013 Postseason 8-7

NCAA: 5-5
Marquette: 3-1 (Marquette 59, Davidson 58; Marquette 74, Butler 72; Marquette 71, Miami (FL) 61; Syracuse 55, Marquette 39)
Butler: 1-1 (Butler 68, Bucknell 56; Marquette 74, Butler 72)
Creighton: 1-1 (Creighton 67, Cincinnati 63; Duke 66, Creighton 50)
Georgetown: 0-1 (Florida Gulf Coast 78, Georgetown 68)
Villanova: 0-1 (North Carolina 78, Villanova 71)

NIT: 3-2
St. John's: 1-1 (St. John’s 63, St. Joseph’s 61; Virginia 68, St. John's 50)
Providence: 2-1 (Providence 75, Charlotte 66; Providence 77, Robert Morris 68; Baylor 79, Providence 68)

No Postseason
Xavier (declined CBI bid)
DePaul
Seton Hall
Title: Re: C7 + 3 in the 2013 Postseason
Post by: bilsu on March 31, 2013, 12:23:01 AM
I don't know but if you don't make the NCAA or NIT, how bad are you and do you really want to admit being in the CBI? 
I think Pitt went to CBI last year and they were able to win enough games there to get 20 wins and keep there 20 win season streak going. I would not be happy, if MU turned down a post season bid.
Title: Re: C7 + 3 in the 2013 Postseason
Post by: jsglow on March 31, 2013, 07:37:39 AM
And then there were none - the "New" Big East finishes the 2013 Postseason 8-7

NCAA: 5-5
Marquette: 3-1 (Marquette 59, Davidson 58; Marquette 74, Butler 72; Marquette 71, Miami (FL) 61; Syracuse 55, Marquette 39)
Butler: 1-1 (Butler 68, Bucknell 56; Marquette 74, Butler 72)
Creighton: 1-1 (Creighton 67, Cincinnati 63; Duke 66, Creighton 50)
Georgetown: 0-1 (Florida Gulf Coast 78, Georgetown 68)
Villanova: 0-1 (North Carolina 78, Villanova 71)

NIT: 3-2
St. John's: 1-1 (St. John’s 63, St. Joseph’s 61; Virginia 68, St. John's 50)
Providence: 2-1 (Providence 75, Charlotte 66; Providence 77, Robert Morris 68; Baylor 79, Providence 68)

No Postseason
Xavier (declined CBI bid)
DePaul
Seton Hall

Really outstanding.  It is very difficult to be .500 or better in post season play.