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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown on March 21, 2013, 05:35:15 PM
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I know I'd be pissed too but...
"Rules need changed on a ref clock review the players need to be told they have to stay on the court that was complete BS they got a free timeout. They should not be allowed to go to the huddle."
http://www.davidsoncats.com/viewtopic.php?t=17395&start=165
Mostly classy posters tho
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They should be frustrated, but that rule has been around forever and coaches have been doing it forever. Another good move by Buzz.
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They could have used the time out set up their defense.
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They should be frustrated, but that rule has been around forever and coaches have been doing it forever. Another good move by Buzz.
Wait but wasn't Buzz out-coached this game?
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weren't they huddled up as well? haven't watched replay but think I remember them at the bench also
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Wait but wasn't Buzz out-coached this game?
That shouldn't be in teal
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Honestly, I do not like the rule either. It gave mark at an advantage, which it did not otherwise have access to. That said, we here at Marquette have endured our fair share of unfair rules and last minute opposing team heroics for the last ten or so years. I like to have some things bounce our way a few times.
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"I'd rather lose playing basketball than win playing Big East garbage Thugball."
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That shouldn't be in teal
Why don't you just enjoy the f&cking win!?!?!
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BTW Davidson's coach can blow me. He just called the time we had to regroup during the Official's clock check an "unfair advantage" in his press conference.
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Havent reffed in a while. But Davidson never posessed that ball "in-bounds" in the front court. The ball was thrown from underneath their own basket. The Davidson player clearly stepped out of bounds before he touched the ball, therefore never really touched the ball in bounds after the pass from under their own basket. Therefore MU should have had the ball all the way near the offensive basket and not in the back court.
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BTW Davidson's coach can blow me. He just called the time we had to regroup during the Official's clock check an "unfair advantage" in his press conference.
I think he's commenting on his own relative coaching ability. May be an accurate statement..
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They can continue to be irrelevant in basketball...
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I would be ticked off losing too. They're in the rear view mirror now though. On to butler.
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BTW Davidson's coach can blow me. He just called the time we had to regroup during the Official's clock check an "unfair advantage" in his press conference.
He's wrong, and he knows that. It may be "unfair", but that's the rule. Change the rule then. Buzz did nothing wrong.
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He's wrong, and he knows that. It may be "unfair", but that's the rule. Change the rule then. Buzz did nothing wrong.
Good point - it was a total Crean move
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Marquette didn't win; Davidson lost.
Marquette is unbelievably, historically lucky to escape with a win.
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Marquette didn't win; Davidson lost.
Marquette is unbelievably, historically lucky to escape with a win.
there's a typo on our record then... someone added 1 to our win column. who do we call to correct this?
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Havent reffed in a while. But Davidson never posessed that ball "in-bounds" in the front court. The ball was thrown from underneath their own basket. The Davidson player clearly stepped out of bounds before he touched the ball, therefore never really touched the ball in bounds after the pass from under their own basket. Therefore MU should have had the ball all the way near the offensive basket and not in the back court.
Davidson inbounded, the ball came back to the inbounder, who threw the diagonal pass away. The ball was touched by two Davidson players in-bounds.
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Yeah, Buzz had time to set up a very complicated play with five back picks and a hook. Instead, the play was a clear out, set a simple high pick and have your best 1:1 player take it to the hoop for a lay-in or to draw a foul. Where have we seen that play again? Oh yeah, twice in the last minute vs. St. John's. Does McKillop watch tape?
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Davidson inbounded, the ball came back to the inbounder, who threw the diagonal pass away. The ball was touched by two Davidson players in-bounds.
However, the last player to posess the ball was deep in the back court. Ball should have been way further(maybe free throw line level) on MUs offensive.
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Marquette didn't win; Davidson lost.
Marquette is unbelievably, historically lucky to escape with a win.
MU has been unbelievably, historicall UN-lucky in the past. MU had to live with those, MU can live with this.
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However, the last player to posess the ball was deep in the back court. Ball should have been way further(maybe free throw line level) on MUs offensive.
The Davidson player was stepping out of bounds as he touched the ball. Proper placement by the refs.
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The Davidson player was stepping out of bounds as he touched the ball. Proper placement by the refs.
He was out before he touched it. At least I think he was. Thats my entire point.
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Havent reffed in a while. But Davidson never posessed that ball "in-bounds" in the front court. The ball was thrown from underneath their own basket. The Davidson player clearly stepped out of bounds before he touched the ball, therefore never really touched the ball in bounds after the pass from under their own basket. Therefore MU should have had the ball all the way near the offensive basket and not in the back court.
Ummmm.......if you're referring to the play where the ball went out of bounds with 6 seconds left to give us the ball for Vander's winning shot, you must have not seen the play correctly.....what you're saying only applies when the ball is thrown directly from an in bounds pass all the way out of bounds.
The ball had already been inbounded and passed back to the inbounder; the dude was standing in the lane when he tossed the ball OB, it was the third pass of the possession. So the ball doesn't go back to the baseline because that's not where the pass came from.
I'm sure Davidson is at least happy you weren't reffing that game! ;D
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He was out before he touched it. At least I think he was. Thats my entire point.
Doesn't matter. Once the ball is inbounded, the only place a ball can be placed is where it WENT out of bounds. What you're referring to ONLY applies to the inbound pass.
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Ummmm.......if you're referring to the play where the ball went out of bounds with 6 seconds left to give us the ball for Vander's winning shot, you must have not seen the play correctly.....what you're saying only applies when the ball is thrown directly from an in bounds pass all the way out of bounds.
The ball had already been inbounded and passed back to the inbounder; the dude was standing in the lane when he tossed the ball OB, it was the third pass of the possession. So the ball doesn't go back to the baseline because that's not where the pass came from.
I'm sure Davidson is at least happy you weren't reffing that game! ;D
Wrong.
It doesnt matter how many people posess the ball. Its where the last player posesses the ball in bounds that matters. You cant throw the ball from "in bounds" in your defensive lane and all the way out of bounds to the other end of the court. The inbound does not go all the way to where it goes out of bounds. It goes to where it was last touched "in bounds".
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It goes to where it went out of bounds. The only time it doesn't is on the in-bounds, when it is thrown out somewhere else without being touched. If the ball is ever touched inbounds, then where it goes out is where the next play starts.
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Wrong.
It doesnt matter how many people posess the ball. Its where the last player posesses the ball in bounds that matters. You cant throw the ball from "in bounds" in your defensive lane and all the way out of bounds to the other end of the court. The inbound does not go all the way to where it goes out of bounds. It goes to where it was last touched "in bounds".
I promise you that you are absolutely incorrect. Once the ball is inbounded all that matters is where the ball goes out. The ball wasn't "out" until the dude standing OUT OF BOUNDS touched the ball. Until he touched it, it was still a live ball.
If I have the ball standing at the top of the key, turn around, face the other end of the court, and whip the ball all the way over their basket, you're saying they get the ball at my top of the key extended? No. They get it under their basket, that's where a 'live' ball went out of bounds. The only ball that's returned to the spot where it was thrown is a 'dead' ball and that ONLY applies to the inbounds pass.
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It goes to where it went out of bounds. The only time it doesn't is on the in-bounds, when it is thrown out somewhere else without being touched. If the ball is ever touched inbounds, then where it goes out is where the next play starts.
This is correct. No different than if the Davidson player stepped out on his own. MU ball at the point it goes out of bounds.
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Marquette didn't win; Davidson lost.
Marquette is unbelievably, historically lucky to escape with a win.
Mu had more points at the end, therefore they won.
pretty sure it was Marquette players hitting those 3s at the end and making a clutch drive. Did you feel the same way in 77 after the NC charlotte game.
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Wrong.
It doesnt matter how many people posess the ball. Its where the last player posesses the ball in bounds that matters. You cant throw the ball from "in bounds" in your defensive lane and all the way out of bounds to the other end of the court. The inbound does not go all the way to where it goes out of bounds. It goes to where it was last touched "in bounds".
Obviously you're not a golfer.
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MU has been unbelievably, historicall UN-lucky in the past. MU had to live with those, MU can live with this.
Revenge for Brook effing Lopez
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This is correct. No different than if the Davidson player stepped out on his own. MU ball at the point it goes out of bounds.
You are correct. Lost my head during all the excitement. :-[
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I hate to be the guy to post this, as I think anyone invested in Marquette Basketball enough to be on this board can relate to this poster's emotions. On the other hand, it's hard not to find this a bit overly sappy...
"My stomach dropped as the buzzer sounded. No words would come from my mouth. How could it be that just seconds ago we were jumping up and down, yelling, high fiving, hugging, talking about flights to the next game? Emotions were high, and all of the positive energy imploded in that instant. There was silence.
So many things that should have happened didn’t. First and foremost, a 14 seed should not have given a 3 seed a run like that. But that 14 seed, that 14 seed with the best free throw shooting percentage in the country, with the best free throw shooter in the country, with the longest winning streak in the country, that 14 seed should have had that game. That 14 seed should have made those free throws. That 14 seed should have placed the patiently paced, physical game that they play best. That 14 seed should not have taken chances.
They wanted it so bad. We wanted it so bad. For them. For us.
Instead of going to work tomorrow, we should all have been heading to Kentucky – or trying to figure out how we were going to get there – to cheer on the school that made us what we are today and the team that showed the nation what we were about.
The cruelty of feeling the same emotions we felt five years ago in Raleigh, where we were given a chance to show the nation who we, Davidson, were, and then having that jubilant exuberance stripped away, is too much. The pressure felt by a group of young adult men in red uniforms preparing to enter the real world may have been too much, too.
But, oh, how I wanted to feel it again. To be able to call my father and know that Davison had done it again, just as they had last done it during my Junior year five years ago and before that when he was in school there. To know that feeling and have that bond with not only my own family, but also the Davidson community around me, and spreading into the community at large. They would join us in solidarity and boost our spirit and cheer for us and want us to win. And we would all be in it together. Cinderella.
If not for one play. Or two. Who can really tell at this point, anyway?
Still standing there stunned, empty, feeling dampness beginning to blur my vision, I could not think. If only. If only what?
And then, in spite of the moisture beginning to overflow and dampen my eyelashes as I walk home blindly, a small smile crossed my lips. Maybe – just maybe – the next time will be when my children go to school at Davidson. Then we, like my father and I, will be able to share an experience unlike any other. An experience that can be matched by nothing else and that no one can take away. I say it, even tearfully so. It’s a great day to be a Wildcat."
http://www.davidsoncats.com/viewtopic.php?t=17396&start=0 (http://www.davidsoncats.com/viewtopic.php?t=17396&start=0)
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What? That was a douchey response.
MU has been in their position a dozen times. We know that pain.
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"I'd rather lose playing basketball than win playing Big East garbage Thugball."
Well, they got their wish.
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Well, they got their wish.
lol exactly
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Well, they got their wish.
Sure that quote wasn't from the UW board?
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Davidson peed down there leg, never should have lost that game
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Mu had more points at the end, therefore they won.
pretty sure it was Marquette players hitting those 3s at the end and making a clutch drive. Did you feel the same way in 77 after the NC charlotte game.
No. I was two years old in 1977.
If not for Davidson's crucial, unexpected error, Marquette doesn't have a chance for Vander's heroics. I'm not taking anything from Vander or Jamil's absolutely clutch shooting.
It's just that a solid, fundamental team like Davidson rarely gives up the ball in a key situation. That error had more to do with the outcome than any of Marquette's great plays.
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No. I was two years old in 1977.
If not for Davidson's crucial, unexpected error, Marquette doesn't have a chance for Vander's heroics. I'm not taking anything from Vander or Jamil's absolutely clutch shooting.
It's just that a solid, fundamental team like Davidson rarely gives up the ball in a key situation. That error had more to do with the outcome than any of Marquette's great plays.
You've made everyone feel less good about our team's win. Any other points you'd like to make to this effect or willing to drop it?
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Davidson peed down there leg, never should have lost that game
"We're lucky to still be standing"
-Buzz Williams, March 21, 2013
I appreciate his honesty. On to Butler
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No. I was two years old in 1977.
If not for Davidson's crucial, unexpected error, Marquette doesn't have a chance for Vander's heroics. I'm not taking anything from Vander or Jamil's absolutely clutch shooting.
It's just that a solid, fundamental team like Davidson rarely gives up the ball in a key situation. That error had more to do with the outcome than any of Marquette's great plays.
MU made its own luck. It made the big shots down the stretch. Buzz made the coaching decision to not foul in the last two minutes. They executed a really good trap on the passer and he made a bad pass due to the defensive pressure. Davidson missed some shots, but MU capitalized. MU won it more than Davidson lost it.
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You've made everyone feel less good about our team's win. Any other points you'd like to make to this effect or willing to drop it?
Final point is I'm happy and proud of Marquette's play to close the game.
Only you can make you less happy.
I'm proud of Marquette. Thrilled in fact. But like Buzz said we are lucky to still be standing.
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Final point is I'm happy and proud of Marquette's play to close the game.
Only you can make you less happy.
I'm proud of Marquette. Thrilled in fact. But like Buzz said we are lucky to still be standing.
Amen brother
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Final point is I'm happy and proud of Marquette's play to close the game.
Only you can make you less happy.
I'm proud of Marquette. Thrilled in fact. But like Buzz said we are lucky to still be standing.
As long as you are happy (done with making your "point"), I'm happy.
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Marquette didn't win; Davidson lost.
Marquette is unbelievably, historically lucky to escape with a win.
Sorry, Marquette won the game, Davidson did not lose it. MU hit 3 contested 3s in a row, dove and fought for loose balls, hit several key freethrows and pressured Davidson in to a bad pass. Davidson made very few mistakes down the stretch and actually played well enough to win. MU just outplayed them the last few minutes.
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Sometimes it's a game of luck. For as much talk as there was about Davidson being "experienced" they didn't show it on the big stage, Marquette gave them plenty of chances, but they didn't show the poise or make free throws per their own standards. Marquette looked liked they've been there before.
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As long as you are happy (done with making your "point"), I'm happy.
Ring Out Ahoya. On to Butler. Great day for Marquette Basketball in the end. "All is well that ends well."
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http://www.davidsoncats.com/viewtopic.php?t=17396&start=0 (http://www.davidsoncats.com/viewtopic.php?t=17396&start=0)
I get it completely. Think Stanford. Think Jean Felix. Think Poindexter. Think Lazar stepping over the in-bounds line. We've all visited the place that guy is in. He expressed it very eloquently.
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Ring Out Ahoya. On to Butler. Great day for Marquette Basketball in the end. "All is well that ends well."
Avenue - it is impossible for me to feel anything less than admiration for you as long as you have that photo as your avatar
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Isn't that the guy from the Providence game
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I get it completely. Think Stanford. Think Jean Felix. Think Poindexter. Think Lazar stepping over the in-bounds line. We've all visited the place that guy is in. He expressed it very eloquently.
I thought it was a nice, well written post as well. I understood exactly where he was coming from. Our schools and their teams mean s lot to our communities and our families.
I've really become a fan of Davidson. They have smart fans and players. My kinda place.
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Isn't that the guy from the Providence game
Yes. Ya betta recognize Jonathan Xavier when he's in your face!
I'd love a gif file of him walking onto the court and trying to call time out. It was awesome on so many levels.
http://youtu.be/MqVGMLBOqnY
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Their board didn't strike me as particularly sour. Wow that would be a tough loss. Stanford felt like getting punched in the gut repeatedly and this has to be even worse for them.
One interesting fact pulled from a poster on their board that may or may not have already been posted somewhere here:
"Vander Blue's go-ahead layup with one second remaining Thursday against Davidson was the first game-tying or go-ahead shot made in the final 10 seconds of a game in the last two Men's Basketball Championships. Prior to Blue's shot, players were 0 for their last 22 in those situations (including Matthew Dellavedova's missed 3-pt FG Thursday), dating back to the 2011 Men's Basketball Championship."
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weren't they huddled up as well? haven't watched replay but think I remember them at the bench also
Nm
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Um, wtf is with all these classless posts? (now deleted.) Let's win with some grace.
Davidson was a good team, good fan base. They got stung. And oh, yeah, MU has been crushed about a dozen times, just like that.
Give em a break.
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That shouldn't be in teal
How can you say the coach of a team that blew an almost unblowable game out coached anyone? If the reverse had happened you would be all over Buzz. Maybe Marquette's greatest come from behind victory ever and all you can do is bitch. It must really suck to be you.
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Um, wtf is with all these classless posts? (now deleted.) Let's win with some grace.
Davidson was a good team, good fan base. They got stung. And oh, yeah, MU has been crushed about a dozen times, just like that.
Give em a break.
Well said.
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Sorry Davidson, ganar es ganar...
http://www.youtube.com//v/MbkrWJsEpSE
(and you're welcome for the subtitles...)
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The Davidson crowd and the Davidson students were absolutely fantastic. We met many on the street immediately after the game and they couldn't have been more genuine in their 'congratulations' and 'great game' comments to the Marquette faithful. I bet I shook the hand of 10 nice students wishing them safe travel back to NC. Character revealed.
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Good team, seems like a very good and knowledgeable fanbase. They certainly made a fan out of me. Wish them nothing but success in future tournaments (unless they draw MU again), and a team that I will enjoy rooting for and watching in the future.
Bring on Butler.
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I think Mc Guire had a list of things you needed to happen to win the NCAA. Can't remember them all but I think one was win a game you should have lost. In his case UNCC.
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Last shot has gotta go in.
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MU made its own luck. It made the big shots down the stretch. Buzz made the coaching decision to not foul in the last two minutes. They executed a really good trap on the passer and he made a bad pass due to the defensive pressure. Davidson missed some shots, but MU capitalized. MU won it more than Davidson lost it.
That's not accurate.
Watch the last minute again, Buzz was screaming for a foul at the 26 second mark (after Vander 3), but our guys didn't listen and we got the foul about 7 seconds later...unfortunately fouled their best shooter.
When Jamil made the shot with 10 seconds left, you can see Buzz again calling for the foul and then the guy throws it away, but Buzz clearly calling for the foul.
Watch Buzz, pretty clear.
We got lucky there....glad the guys didn't foul the kid when Buzz was asking them too. Worked out for us.
https://www.youtube.com/v/_bczliDvZL4
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The Davidson crowd and the Davidson students were absolutely fantastic. We met many on the street immediately after the game and they couldn't have been more genuine in their 'congratulations' and 'great game' comments to the Marquette faithful. I bet I shook the hand of 10 nice students wishing them safe travel back to NC. Character revealed.
Yes, honestly can't remember being more impressed with a coach and the student-athletes in a program. Smart kids who play tough. Absolutely made a fan out of me.
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The Davidson crowd and the Davidson students were absolutely fantastic. We met many on the street immediately after the game and they couldn't have been more genuine in their 'congratulations' and 'great game' comments to the Marquette faithful. I bet I shook the hand of 10 nice students wishing them safe travel back to NC. Character revealed.
Key question is why were you there and your better half was working to pay the mortgage and tuition bills? Second key question: What was your cover story so I can use it next weekend in DC during Easter weekend?
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That's not accurate.
Watch the last minute again, Buzz was screaming for a foul at the 26 second mark (after Vander 3), but our guys didn't listen and we got the foul about 7 seconds later...unfortunately fouled their best shooter.
When Jamil made the shot with 10 seconds left, you can see Buzz again calling for the foul and then the guy throws it away, but Buzz clearly calling for the foul.
We got lucky there.
That game today epitomized what makes the NCAA Tournament so great each year.
We are dealing with college kids and that makes things so unpredictable. It's high pressure in all of these close games and often some of these 18-21 year old's do things their coaches don't want simply by kids getting caught up in the moment. That doesn't make a coach/coaches smart or a dunce when players at times brainfart under pressure.
We certainly caught a break when that kid on Davidson brainfarted and made that late bad pass, but crazy stuff like that happens all of the time in these tournament games from year to year.
Yet, that often leads to some fans foolishly blaming the coaches when their players make mistakes under pressure or have a bad game. Hell, right now New Mexico is losing to Harvard. I'm sure on the NM forums, some irrational fans are blaming Alford as if he forgot how to coach today.
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Davidson "should" have won BUT they didn't, I'm sure there crushed and I completely understand.......I remember driving the 350miles home from the Honda Center after sideshow Bob Lopez and his brother knocked us off in OT, couldn't talk or think about anything else other then "why did I go to this M-F-ing game in the 1st place
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Marquette won. We outscored and out played Davidson in the final minute. Go Warriors!
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I think it's safe to say we'd have a lot of sour grapes if we were on the other end of today's game. Survive and advance is all I have to say.
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How can you say the coach of a team that blew an almost unblowable game out coached anyone? If the reverse had happened you would be all over Buzz. Maybe Marquette's greatest come from behind victory ever and all you can do is bitch. It must really suck to be you.
Take it up with the others that also said it. We were lucky, as Buzz stated. Coaches don't miss free throws, miss shots, etc. Davidson was in that position to win because of the outstanding coaching their coach did and some crazy arse lineups we had that couldn't buy a basket. Again, there had to be 30 people here saying the same thing today...take it up with them.
I enjoyed the comeback, didn't enjoy the fact we were in the position we were in.
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Why, especially minutes after the end of the game, does anyone feel the need to go visit the opposition's message board and report back questionable behavior? Anyone can pretty much guess how they are feeling and reacting which is basically the same way we would have been feeling and reacting had Vander's last shot not gone down.
I guess this is something I have just never understood.
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Marquette didn't win; Davidson lost.
Marquette is unbelievably, historically lucky to escape with a win.
I disagree with this. We made three well-guarded threes, two FTs and a driving layup in the last 90 seconds. We did a lot to win that game. Davidson made 5-6 (83.3%) of their FTs and made 1 turnover. Granted that was a huge turnover, but we did a lot to put ourselves in the position to win that game.
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Seashells and balloons.
-Al
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Key question is why were you there and your better half was working to pay the mortgage and tuition bills? Second key question: What was your cover story so I can use it next weekend in DC during Easter weekend?
Chick is flying down today. Work commitments prevented her from making the Thursday game. My thoughts with 3-4 minutes to go was that she'd be cancelling her trip and I'd be driving home on Friday. :'(
Best part was that she had DVRed the game at home and was careful to avoid hearing a score at work. I was under strict instructions not to update her in any way. So I got the explosion of excitement all over again when she called 90 minutes after the game had actually ended. Priceless.
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You don't have to win pretty, you don't have to win bug, all you have to do at this time of year is score 1 more point than your opponent. Regardless of how we did it that is what happened yesterday. We are moving on to play another day Davidson's season ends painfully like ours did in 08, 09, and 10. It is what makes March Madness so extremely exciting. You can experience the highest of highs and the lowest of lows. Instead of looking forward to next year we get to continue this season until at least Saturday and then the range of emotions starts again.
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I got the explosion of excitement all over again when she called 90 minutes after the game had actually ended. Priceless.
explosion of excitement = winning
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All I can say to the Davidson fans is that I would rather loose a heartbreaker that get blown out!
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Take it up with the others that also said it. We were lucky, as Buzz stated. Coaches don't miss free throws, miss shots, etc. Davidson was in that position to win because of the outstanding coaching their coach did and some crazy arse lineups we had that couldn't buy a basket. Again, there had to be 30 people here saying the same thing today...take it up with them.
I enjoyed the comeback, didn't enjoy the fact we were in the position we were in.
MU executed when they had to...Davidson didn't. Luck had absolutely nothing to do with it.
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http://www.davidsoncats.com/viewtopic.php?t=17408
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http://www.davidsoncats.com/viewtopic.php?t=17408
Now that one is a little bit of sour grapes. I thought that the zebras were pretty even, imo gave Davidson the benefit of the doubt on a few calls.
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That whole "unfair" timeout talk is stupid sauce.
It's not like it's unusual. End game situations where the time clock is reviewed happens, what, 20 times a week in the NCAA?
BOTH teams get the benefit of the pause in action.
In any event, Buzz admitted they didn't so much talk strategy, as the play was known and practiced a few times before (SJU game) .. said the benefit was that it gave the guys a little breather. (Same as Davidson's guys, of course.)
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That whole "unfair" timeout talk is stupid sauce.
It's not like it's unusual. End game situations where the time clock is reviewed happens, what, 20 times a week in the NCAA?
BOTH teams get the benefit of the pause in action.
In any event, Buzz admitted they didn't so much talk strategy, as the play was known and practiced a few times before (SJU game) .. said the benefit was that it gave the guys a little breather. (Same as Davidson's guys, of course.)
This is key. I'm sure use about every one of the fans here realized that we were going to go to some version of the Vander St. Johns play. Their coach should have scouted us sufficiently to know the same thing and had time to scheme against it because of the ref timeout.
Apparently Buzz schemed better and we won. That's it.
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MU executed when they had to...Davidson didn't. Luck had absolutely nothing to do with it.
I guess our head coach disagrees with you.
"We're lucky to still be standing"
Buzz Williams
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I guess our head coach disagrees with you.
"We're lucky to still be standing"
Buzz Williams
Or he's speaking hyperbole like he often does.
I'm surprised you buy into that stuff.
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Or he's speaking hyperbole like he often does.
I'm surprised you buy into that stuff.
+1 coach speak.
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Or he's speaking hyperbole like he often does.
I'm surprised you buy into that stuff.
He's honest to a fault, he knows it to be the case. Watch the last 10 seconds where he is screaming for us to foul, which we actually did but the ref doesn't call it (watch what our two guys do to their player under the basket)....instead they throw it away. That is luck, that is not our execution. If we actually "executed" the plan Buzz wanted, Davidson is at the stripe taking two free throws up by one point. Ironic.
Fast forward to 1:50, watch Buzz and what he wanted "executed"...then watch what we do to the player...foul him...we got lucky that we didn't do what he wanted and we didn't get called for it.
https://www.youtube.com/v/_bczliDvZL4
Nothing to do with coach speak. We got a huge break, followed by another huge break (within the rules) to allow us design a play with no timeouts.
Coach isn't lying, we are lucky to be here.
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"We're lucky to still be standing"
Buzz Williams
It's called humility. An admirable quality you seem to be unfamiliar with.
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Nothing to do with coach speak. We got a huge break, followed by another huge break (within the rules) to allow us design a play with no timeouts.
Coach isn't lying, we are lucky to be here.
Both teams had the time. Nothing lucky about it. Buzz simply used it better. He outcoached McKillop there.
See how that works?
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I'm sorry, but I'm a huge Marquette fan and I absolutely think we got a little lucky to win that game. That's not a slight on the team or a criticism of Buzz. Anyone who watched that game yesterday and can't admit (or is unwilling to admit) that it took a little luck to win that game is just being obstinate. There's no shame in admitting that the ball happened to bounce your way, and it doesn't make you any less of a fan.
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It wasn't luck, it was the Pope card according to Homer (a UW grad to boot)!
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I'm sorry, but I'm a huge Marquette fan and I absolutely think we got a little lucky to win that game. That's not a slight on the team or a criticism of Buzz. Anyone who watched that game yesterday and can't admit (or is unwilling to admit) that it took a little luck to win that game is just being obstinate. There's no shame in admitting that the ball happened to bounce your way, and it doesn't make you any less of a fan.
Out-executing the other team isn't luck....it's sports.
Granted, in my world that *does* mean that there is very little room for "luck" in sports.
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I'm sorry, but I'm a huge Marquette fan and I absolutely think we got a little lucky to win that game. That's not a slight on the team or a criticism of Buzz. Anyone who watched that game yesterday and can't admit (or is unwilling to admit) that it took a little luck to win that game is just being obstinate. There's no shame in admitting that the ball happened to bounce your way, and it doesn't make you any less of a fan.
I do agree that some of the shots in the last minute plus the turnover took some luck to happen all at once, but I also felt like the entire game we actually played fairly well and the ball just didn't bounce our way. We were getting the looks we wanted but they just weren't falling. I thought the end kind of evened it out. When I was thinking we were done I couldn't even be that mad, my only thought was "Today just was not our day." Sometimes the ball just doesn't roll your way, and I thought for 38 1/2 minutes it didn't. Thankfully, for the 1 1/2 minutes we needed the ball to roll our way, it did.
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Out-executing the other team isn't luck....it's sports.
Granted, in my world that *does* mean that there is very little room for "luck" in sports.
That would be the "obstinate" part that I referenced. You've set your own definition..and that's fine...even if a little obstinate.
And I don't dispute that we out-executed Davidson in some respects down the stretch. I don't think that there's necessarily anything inconsistent in saying that we out-executed and we got a little lucky.
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That would be the "obstinate" part that I referenced. You've set your own definition..and that's fine...even if a little obstinate.
Obstinate is changing the definition of "luck," which is what you are doing.
Luck: Success or failure apparently brought by chance rather than through one's own actions.
It wasn't by chance that they won. It was by their own actions.
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Is it just me, or is Chicos working triple overtime to minimize this great win?
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Obstinate is changing the definition of "luck," which is what you are doing.
Luck: Success or failure apparently brought by chance rather than through one's own actions.
It wasn't by chance that they won. It was by their own actions.
Obstinate is insisting that everything was brought about by one's own actions, when there were multiple factors at play, all of which influenced the ultimate outcome.
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You crack me up.
Its ok to be lucky sometimes. ITs OK!! LOL
Sometimes, when you play like crap but find a way to win with some luck, IT's OK.
Mets against the Red Sox....they won...they got lucky.
Some of you take it as some great scarlet letter against the team or Buzz or whatever. Good grief.
Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good...that's what happened yesterday. We made some killer shots...that's execution. We then got very lucky with three consecutive items in a span of 3 seconds. ITs OK. It is a win, a great win....and we were lucky. I will take it.
Buzz knows it, every fan base in the country knows it except for a few here that think we executed them throwing it out of bounds, executed the shot clock review by the officials, executed fouling their player but not having the ref call it. LOL. Sorry, the video doesn't lie.
Great win....rather be lucky than good sometimes because most of yesterday's game we weren't that good.
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I think some MU fans saw the other team was wearing red and just presumed their fans were classless, arrogant morons. Not the case with Davidson. Terrific program, classy fans on their board.
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Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good...that's what happened yesterday. We made some killer shots...that's execution. We then got very lucky with three consecutive items in a span of 3 seconds. ITs OK. It is a win, a great win....and we were lucky. I will take it.
Buzz knows it, every fan base in the country knows it except for a few here that think we executed them throwing it out of bounds, executed the shot clock review by the officials, executed fouling their player but not having the ref call it. LOL. Sorry, the video doesn't lie.
Great win....rather be lucky than good sometimes because most of yesterday's game we weren't that good.
Chicos -
I agree with most of this. But, I do think that they threw the ball out of bounds at least in part because we had two guys running at the passer and putting a lot of pressure on in the backcourt - that's not luck. The foul that you describe clearly happened, but once the ball left his hands the refs were paying attention to the pass and not the passer at that point. They missed it, and that was lucky.
And, you're right that it's lucky there was a review of the time left. Keep in mind that the clock WAS wrong. We might all be crying about poor officiating if we didn't get that extra time.
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Is it just me, or is Chicos working triple overtime to minimize this great win?
It's not just you. He's been doing it on a regular basis ever since his "epiphany" on April 8, 2008.
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Buzz knows it, every fan base in the country knows it except for a few here that think we executed them throwing it out of bounds, executed the shot clock review by the officials, executed fouling their player but not having the ref call it. LOL. Sorry, the video doesn't lie.
So when the other team turns it over it's luck? I'd say poor play on Davidson's part. An official missed a call? They probably missed 20 during the game. Always do. We got lucky because of a clock review? That's automatic in that situation. This would be comical but at least understandable coming from a Davidson fan. It's just silly and argumentative coming from one of ours.
If you want to say we were lucky that three straight threes went in, okay. But the thing is we MADE those shots. And we missed a lot we usually make earlier. Does that mean we were unlucky?
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Time to chuck bad monitor rule that gave Marquette extra timeout
http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2013-03-21/marquette-davidson-comeback-timeout-monitor-tuck-rule-extra-timeout
Thanks AOL Sports
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Time to chuck bad monitor rule that gave Marquette extra timeout
http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2013-03-21/marquette-davidson-comeback-timeout-monitor-tuck-rule-extra-timeout
Thanks AOL Sports
I guess I just don't get the complaint. If Marquette had a time out at that point, didn't use it, but still huddled up to discuss the play, would everyone still be complaining? Didn't Davidson huddle up during that time without wasting one of their timeouts?
I get the being pissed at the presser and saying things you don't really mean. That's going to happen. But that fact that this has become a meme is really intriguing to me.
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Time to chuck bad monitor rule that gave Marquette extra timeout
http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2013-03-21/marquette-davidson-comeback-timeout-monitor-tuck-rule-extra-timeout
Thanks AOL Sports
This was, what, the mirror of the game winning play run against SJU? Huddle or no huddle, they probably would have run the same play. The fact that Davidson's coach failed to recognize that this was likely the play call and failed to prep his team properly in his huddle is not an excuse for him to groan about the rule needing to be changed. I wish someone in the media would bring that up rather than focusing on his need for a wah-bulance.
The reason why this is becoming a meme is because the analysts who picked Davidson need to validate why they were right and how their brilliance was spoiled by some "stupid" rule.
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Besides the time out an all that, who didn't know Vander was getting the ball and driving to the hoop? If there was no time out, Vander was going to get the ball and drive it to the hoop. You could make a convincing argument that the TO should have helped Davidson more than us as they had time to plan a defense to the play.
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I guess I just don't get the complaint. If Marquette had a time out at that point, didn't use it, but still huddled up to discuss the play, would everyone still be complaining? Didn't Davidson huddle up during that time without wasting one of their timeouts?
I get the being pissed at the presser and saying things you don't really mean. That's going to happen. But that fact that this has become a meme is really intriguing to me.
Exactly right. The whole basis of the complaint is the idea that a team must use a timeout if it is going to huddle up and discuss the play. But Davidson huddled up and discussed defensive strategy without calling a time out just as much as Marquette did offensive strategy. The same standard needs to apply to Davidson. But had Davidson called a timeout to be able to discuss the play, as they apparently feel a team must (even though they didn't), Marquette also would have been able to huddle up and discuss the play during that timeout. And we'd still be in the exact same spot we are now.
I fail to see the unfair advantage.
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Exactly right. The whole basis of the complaint is the idea that a team must use a timeout if it is going to huddle up and discuss the play. But Davidson huddled up and discussed defensive strategy without calling a time out just as much as Marquette did offensive strategy. The same standard needs to apply to Davidson. But had Davidson called a timeout to be able to discuss the play, as they apparently feel a team must (even though they didn't), Marquette also would have been able to huddle up and discuss the play during that timeout. And we'd still be in the exact same spot we are now.
I fail to see the unfair advantage.
Great point on the Davidson time out saved. The reason being is that after Vander scored, they used their last time out with one second left to set up a Hail Mary play...otherwise, if they used that to set up a defensive set, they would have been in a scramble. Fact is, both teams benefited equallynwith the clock review...and one could argue Davidson benefitted more.
In the end, McKillop was out coached as he had the wrong defensive set called out of the stoppage.
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The "extra timeout" was not an "unfair advantage." I still don't understand why Davidson didn't go to a 2/3 zone given our faster and more athletic players. I could see them going man only if we needed a 3. With limited time they could have gone zone and doubled the player with the ball. There wasn't time for an extra pass and shot. There was literally only a second to spare after MU got its shot off.
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The timeout that people should be complaining about is after a guy fouls out. I hate that - coach should get enough time to point to someone sitting on the bench and that's it.
All this hype, on the otherhand, is a waste of time. The only way would be to take away official reviews, and as annoying as they can be sometimes they usually do more good than harm. How can you say that the coach can't talk to his team when the officials stop play for an extended period of time to go to the monitor?
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This wouldn't be an issue at all if McKillop hadn't whined about it. You would see no debates...no articles...nothing. Yet the referees did everything within the boundaries of the rules.
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This wouldn't be an issue at all if McKillop hadn't whined about it. You would see no debates...no articles...nothing. Yet the referees did everything within the boundaries of the rules.
exactly
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Not sure if this was posted. Postgame video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RREpNTcXEU&sns=em
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This wouldn't be an issue at all if McKillop hadn't whined about it. You would see no debates...no articles...nothing. Yet the referees did everything within the boundaries of the rules.
Bingo. Too bad the journalists can't call him out for whining about something that he should have used to set up a zone for the OBVIOUS play call. Staying in a man D is what gave Vander the chance to drive like that. Did McKillop not watch ANY game film of MU? Does Davidson not have so much as a VCR, let alone YouTube?
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Luck occurs at the crossroads of preparation and opportunity.
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Sure it was luck and MU took advantage of the situation. I seem to recall an NCAA game against Mizzou when one of their guys, a poor free throw shooter, was "hurt" when fouled and they got to bring one of their best free throw shooters in to take the shots. What comes around goes around.
But even if they wanted to how could they "fix" this advantage. So you say MU can't huddle. So can Buzz stand in the coaches box and the 5 starters stand in bounds right next to him?? Is he not allowed to talk, can he not use sign language, do the players have to stand right where they were when the official time out was called. This is stupid, its not a big advantage (not anywhere near the advantage of picking a free throw shooter), just move on.
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It's not just you. He's been doing it on a regular basis ever since his "epiphany" on April 8, 2008.
He's actually been doing it since Joanie Crean was friendly to his MU-clad wife in a mall during a previous NCAA appearance.
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Yes. Ya betta recognize Jonathan Xavier when he's in your face!
I'd love a gif file of him walking onto the court and trying to call time out. It was awesome on so many levels.
http://youtu.be/MqVGMLBOqnY
He went pretty meekly, though. You gotta admit.