Thanks coach crean for blowing it for MU. Wisconsin to get a 3 seed in the Mt. Horeb pod
You are putting way too much stock in these tournaments. They will cause slight seed movement but a couple of wins in the tournament isn't going to jump you or drop you several spots.
I'm not sure if Kenosha is truly this angst-ridden, or if he is just trolling us all, but it is amusing.
I'm that angst ridden. I'm just like people i make fun of in my big post
I like the Mt Horeb pod comment!
They get to play Middleton in the first round cause Belmont couldn't find a good enough corn field to land in.
San Jose awaits your return, MU!
CREEEEEEEEAN!!!!!!!!!!! >:(
Today's games will have minimal impact on seeding, really only if there's a landmark shift. Wisconsin already beat IU, this won't change anything for their seeding. Tomorrow's games will have zero impact on seeding unless someone steals a bid, and with UW/tOSU and Miami/UNC all being locked into the tournament, I doubt there will be any bid-stealing.
Quite simply, the committee has most of the field done before this point. I'd guess virtually everyone was slotted and seeded last night and this weekend is just for dickering over which of a group of 10 or so will be the last few teams. As Sultan said, the conference tournaments really aren't that important in terms of seeding. What happens Wednesday through Friday has some impact, beyond that, not so much.
K Dubs is having a rotten day. Is you Irish or is you ain't?
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on March 16, 2013, 02:50:51 PM
Thanks coach crean for blowing it for MU. Wisconsin to get a 3 seed in the Mt. Horeb pod
MU still has a great shot at a 4...when's the last time a Big East champion got a 5 seed?
Or maybe they will look at our scrimmage against Virginia and give us the nod. LOL.
Quote from: muhoops1 on March 16, 2013, 05:55:16 PM
K Dubs is having a rotten day. Is you Irish or is you ain't?
he's a feckin eejit.
I would take our record (and RPI) vs Bucky's.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology/team-comparison/MARQET/WISC
whether we like it or not, RPI is an important factor in seeding.
Looking at the comparison, I would argue we should be seeded higher than Wisconson-Madison.
I hate UW as much as the next guy but they deserve higher seed than we do. Today's win should ice that.
If you ever mention to a badger fan the head to head they always come back with "well we have improved since than". What I don't get is the fact that all teams improve. Marquette didn't get a conference title cause everyone in the conference stayed the same.
It's also no coincidence Bo was voted COY.
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on March 16, 2013, 06:44:15 PM
If you ever mention to a badger fan the head to head they always come back with "well we have improved since than". What I don't get is the fact that all teams improve. Marquette didn't get a conference title cause everyone in the conference stayed the same.
There, there, feeling better? Good!
I'm guessing that after today, Kenpom will have Bucky ranked ... um ... is there anything higher than No. 1?
Well, for those who had us higher than Syracuse on the S-Curve a few days ago, they're also now firmly ahead of us, especially if they hold the lead tonight. It'll give them a better RPI, 4 more total wins with the same number of losses along with 3 more top 100 wins and no bad losses. If they would have lost to Pitt on Thursday we'd have the better RPI, same amount of top 100 wins, and better overall record. I'm sure they will regret making a run in the conference tournament though, since they will now be too fatigued to play again in 5-6 days, too used to Big East play to compete outside the conference, and everyone got hurt.
Edit: Still think they've got the edge on us on the S-Curve. But damn, UL...that's how you earn a one seed.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 16, 2013, 06:01:01 PM
MU still has a great shot at a 4...when's the last time a Big East champion got a 5 seed?
Or maybe they will look at our scrimmage against Virginia and give us the nod. LOL.
Probably never, but most years have only one BE champion. If you look at third place teams in the Big East (since we were the 3 seed in the BE tournament), ND was a 7-seed last year and a 5-seed in 2008 when they tied for second. And in 2006, West Virginia finished in third place and was a 6-seed. So it wouldn't be all that strange. Also, most years don't have 2 teams outside the "Power 6" conferences as 1-3 seeds (NM and Gonzaga this year). That being said, I think we are the last 4 or one of the first 5's.
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on March 16, 2013, 06:44:15 PM
If you ever mention to a badger fan the head to head they always come back with "well we have improved since than". What I don't get is the fact that all teams improve. Marquette didn't get a conference title cause everyone in the conference stayed the same.
Nobody ever said badger fans were smart. But seriously though, you should step away from the keyboard for a few days.
They are really stupid, but because their are so many of them everyone thinks they are geniuses. Why cant middle class Milwaukee cheer for Marquette?
Milwaukee has a middle class?
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on March 16, 2013, 09:15:12 PM
They are really stupid, but because their are so many of them everyone thinks they are geniuses. Why cant middle class Milwaukee cheer for Marquette?
Maybe we have different definitions of middle class, but I know a lot of people who are middle class and/or blue collar in and around Milwaukee who root for both Wisconsin and Marquette.
If we only win a game because we were a four seed versus a five seed, where we really that good in the first place?
Quote from: NCMUFan on March 16, 2013, 09:48:13 PM
If we only win a game because we were a four seed versus a five seed, where we really that good in the first place?
Marquette's a 4 seed. Book it. Wayyyyy too much stock given to these tourneys.
Don't know about the 4 seed anymore after yesterdays' games. Here my take:
#3 Florida
New Mexico
Michigan
Michigan State
#4 Wisconsin
Cuse
Kansas St
St. Louis
MU should be a high #5
Kenosha i hope you are a little tipsy because you are seriously overreacting. going into champ week MU was the last 3 first 4. the only move we may have made is down to the second 4 seed.
Still a 4 seed. I think we went down a slot 48 hours ago .. now we went back up a slot.
http://www.crashingthedance.com/seed.php
Rooting for SLU over VCU .. Ohio St. over Wisc .. Miami over NCState.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 17, 2013, 08:09:43 AM
Still a 4 seed. I think we went down a slot 48 hours ago .. now we went back up a slot.
http://www.crashingthedance.com/seed.php
Rooting for SLU over VCU .. Ohio St. over Wisc .. Miami over NCState.
These games aren't going to matter at all. Unless there were 1 seed on the line or something like that, it might be different, but even thats a stretch, especially where OSU-UW are concerned, those teams will be slotted into their seeds/sites before that game even starts.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on March 17, 2013, 08:16:13 AM
These games aren't going to matter at all. Unless there were 1 seed on the line or something like that, it might be different, but even thats a stretch, especially where OSU-UW are concerned, those teams will be slotted into their seeds/sites before that game even starts.
I think that's probably correct. If they are close enough on the S-curve a WI win might result in a flip flop but there's no way that the committee can rewrite the brackets on Sunday afternoon. Bucky earned its promotion of the curve yesterday rising from the 6 line before the tourney started. Congrats, they've had a great week.
I keep seeing MU as a 4 with the 5 seed being SLU... Dear god please do not let that happen.
Quote from: downtown85 on March 16, 2013, 06:18:09 PM
I would take our record (and RPI) vs Bucky's.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology/team-comparison/MARQET/WISC
whether we like it or not, RPI is an important factor in seeding.
Looking at the comparison, I would argue we should be seeded higher than Wisconson-Madison.
I think Becky only passes us with a win today. Our resume is better in all regards.
Quote from: JTBMU7 on March 17, 2013, 09:09:28 AM
I keep seeing MU as a 4 with the 5 seed being SLU... Dear god please do not let that happen.
Cmon now, in order to advance in the NCAA tournament, ya know, ya need to win games. SLU is beatable.
I am obviously hoping for good matchups too, but my main concern is ending up in the Gonzaga or Kansas region assuming we get a 4 or 5 seed. And preferably avoid Duke as the 2 ( I think they still have a good shot at a 1).
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 17, 2013, 09:14:12 AM
I think Becky only passes us with a win today. Our resume is better in all regards.
The committee will have the bracket done before that game even starts.
The committee also said they weren't going to value conference tournaments any more than the regular season. Because of this, I think a lot of people here are overvaluing Wisconsin, St Louis, Kansas St and Syracuse.
Quote from: slack00 on March 17, 2013, 09:31:01 AM
The committee will have the bracket done before that game even starts.
The committee also said they weren't going to value conference tournaments any more than the regular season. Because of this, I think a lot of people here are overvaluing Wisconsin, St Louis, Kansas St and Syracuse.
+1 I think a lot of people don't remember that this is the case EVERY year. If UW moved up to a 4 seed, we weren't bumped down. They bumped Michigan down from a 3, and another team went up to a 3. I don't see how some people are putting Syracuse on the 3 line. Their conference record is 11-7 and their RPI is 13. Though I don't know who should take their place. The 3, 4, and 5 lines are the most difficult to figure out every year. They cause a lot of headaches, and are the difference between teams playing close to home or across the country. Hopefully, we don't get jobbed like we do every year and can manage a game that isn't 1500 miles away.
Quote from: nyg on March 17, 2013, 06:45:54 AM
Don't know about the 4 seed anymore after yesterdays' games. Here my take:
#3 Florida
New Mexico
Michigan
Michigan State
#4 Wisconsin
Cuse
Kansas St
St. Louis
MU should be a high #5
We finished tied for 1st in the Beast. Cuse finished tied for 5th. We beat them head to head. Cuz they made the BET final you think that they will jump us? Can't see that happening.
Quote from: We R Final Four on March 17, 2013, 10:01:59 AM
We finished tied for 1st in the Beast. Cuse finished tied for 5th. We beat them head to head. Cuz they made the BET final toy think that they win jump us? Can't see that happening.
The problem with his 3 and 4 see lines is that he doesn't mention who the 8 teams on the 1 and 2 line are.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 17, 2013, 10:18:11 AM
The problem with his 3 and 4 see lines is that he doesn't mention who the 8 teams on the 1 and 2 line are.
You're kidding, right? It seems pretty obvious to me that they would be Duke, Louisville, Georgetown, Kansas, Ohio State, Indiana, Gonzaga, and Miami. Unless you think one of those is a 5 or lower... ::)
Quote from: We R Final Four on March 17, 2013, 10:01:59 AM
We finished tied for 1st in the Beast. Cuse finished tied for 5th. We beat them head to head. Cuz they made the BET final you think that they will jump us? Can't see that happening.
Most of the so-called "bracketologists" have Syracuse ahead of us. Everyone here is putting way too much stock in the head-to-head matchups with UW and Cuse, and dismissing the conference tournament as if it doesn't exist. Cuse didn't beat a couple of nobodys to get to the final. They had to beat Pitt and G'town on a neutral floor. That has to count for something. It doesn't mean we can't get a 4, but if we do, it won't be at the expense of Syracuse.
Quote from: IL Warrior on March 17, 2013, 12:44:14 PM
You're kidding, right? It seems pretty obvious to me that they would be Duke, Louisville, Georgetown, Kansas, Ohio State, Indiana, Gonzaga, and Miami. Unless you think one of those is a 5 or lower... ::)
Most of the so-called "bracketologists" have Syracuse ahead of us. Everyone here is putting way too much stock in the head-to-head matchups with UW and Cuse, and dismissing the conference tournament as if it doesn't exist. Cuse didn't beat a couple of nobodys to get to the final. They had to beat Pitt and G'town on a neutral floor. That has to count for something. It doesn't mean we can't get a 4, but if we do, it won't be at the expense of Syracuse.
Sorry, I guess it was pretty obvious.
No way SLU, or Cuse jumps us. we are a 4
Quote from: IL Warrior on March 17, 2013, 12:44:14 PM
You're kidding, right? It seems pretty obvious to me that they would be Duke, Louisville, Georgetown, Kansas, Ohio State, Indiana, Gonzaga, and Miami. Unless you think one of those is a 5 or lower... ::)
Most of the so-called "bracketologists" have Syracuse ahead of us. Everyone here is putting way too much stock in the head-to-head matchups with UW and Cuse, and dismissing the conference tournament as if it doesn't exist. Cuse didn't beat a couple of nobodys to get to the final. They had to beat Pitt and G'town on a neutral floor. That has to count for something. It doesn't mean we can't get a 4, but if we do, it won't be at the expense of Syracuse.
This is the problem, the committee says the conference tournaments don't matter as much as most people say they do. If the committee gives Syracuse a 4 in front of us, they are saying that the conference season doesn't matter. We beat them by 3 games in the BE and had a share of the title. They beat Pitt and GU to get to the title. We beat Pitt twice and GU (1-1). So what does the conference tournament title add to them being ahead of us. OH wait they got destroyed in that tournament title, so they don't even have that.
Conference tournaments don't carry extra weight, but the games themselves still count toward the overall picture that the committee has.
St. Louis most likely won't be ahead of us. Yesterday and today won't change their seed. I find it hard to believe they were ahead of us based on Friday.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 17, 2013, 03:53:58 PM
Conference tournaments don't carry extra weight, but the games themselves still count toward the overall picture that the committee has.
Understood, and looking at overall body of work can you honestly say Syracuse has done more without giving extra weight to the conference tournament?
Lunardi's latest has MU, Cuse and St. Louis all with 4 seeds. UW with a 5 seed.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology
http://bracketmatrix.com/
Marquette a concensus 4. The #3 of the 4s.
13s - Bucknell, Davidson, Valpo, NMSt. in order.
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 17, 2013, 04:39:01 PM
http://bracketmatrix.com/
Marquette a concensus 4. The #3 of the 4s.
13s - Bucknell, Davidson, Valpo, NMSt. in order.
Cut Kenosha some slack. He called 4th seed lost in favor of a 3. Good job dude. Do I really need teal for this?
This thread was completely wrong ... We got a 3!!!!
... and Kenoshawarrior is also wrong on Stone in his other thread.
We would have been #1 seed overall this yeara had the committee not caught wind of our K State scrimmage from 5 or 6 years back. Had to be on the forefront of their collective minds.
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on March 16, 2013, 02:50:51 PM
Thanks coach crean for blowing it for MU. Wisconsin to get a 3 seed in the Mt. Horeb pod
DURR.
neener neener guys.
Yup. That 4 seed was gone.
God am I an idiot!!!