Wins coach of the year???? Good for him, had some big wins, but I thought that Purdue home loss and almost penn state loss when having a chance to split the title would have taken him out for sure. If I'm izzo, crean, or beilein, I'm a little perplexed.
Quote from: CAGASS24 on March 11, 2013, 07:35:11 PM
Wins coach of the year???? Good for him, had some big wins, but I thought that Purdue home loss and almost penn state loss when having a chance to split the title would have taken him out for sure. If I'm izzo, crean, or beilein, I'm a little perplexed.
Did the most with the most amount of traditionals. That's a shoe in.
Whether one likes it or not, it should be Tom Crean. Going from the bottom to the top in short time frame is amazing. Bo was just missing Gasser.
Quote from: CAGASS24 on March 11, 2013, 07:35:11 PM
Wins coach of the year???? Good for him, had some big wins, but I thought that Purdue home loss and almost penn state loss when having a chance to split the title would have taken him out for sure. If I'm izzo, crean, or beilein, I'm a little perplexed.
It was TC's until the 1am net cutting on Thursday and the bizarre post game ranting yesterday.
Maybe that's what Too Tan Tommy was pissed about yesterday and made him go all ballistic on Meyer's ass.
Bo deserved it. Did a good job finishing in the top 4 considering the strength of the conference.
I hear that; just thought the expectations for them changed a bit through by the middle of the conf record especially when it was clear Marshall and Jackson were doing their best to make up for gasser. They really could have finished a couple wins better in the conf and weren't very consistent down the stretch. But again, props to him. Hope the state can lock down two COY honors!!!!
Bo was deserving. I'd say Crean was more deserving.
Quote from: CAGASS24 on March 11, 2013, 07:43:58 PM
I hear that; just thought the expectations for them changed a bit through by the middle of the conf record especially when it was clear Marshall and Jackson were doing their best to make up for gasser. They really could have finished a couple wins better in the conf and weren't very consistent down the stretch. But again, props to him. Hope the state can lock down two COY honors!!!!
"A couple" more wins means UW ties IU for the title. Finishing 2 games behind a team that had much better talent at every position and on the bench was award worthy for Bo.
Congrats to Coach Ryan on a fine season. When MU was punkin' your team back in December, I thought the Badgers were NIT bound. Congrats on being better than that. And congrats to Buzz for taking down a coach-of-the-year from the supposedly best conference in the country.
Good for him. At least it wasn't crean or izzo.
IU was preseason ranked number with the best player in the country and another guy in the top 10.
UW was absolutely brutal until early January with horrific point guard problems and Carrottop missed a bunch of games with a concussion. To get them near the title was pretty amazing.
Not sure Bo should've won but it appears to me Crean rolled the ball out to the by far most talented team.
And he didn't turn it around quickly. It took 5 years. Bo won it his first year with 8 scholarship players, none which were exactly lottery picks.
Izzo and Matta were very derserving too.
Should have been Crean.
What Crean did in previous years has no bearing on this season.....it's a 1 year award and he had the best team coming in and didn't screw it up.
It's always harder to win COY when you are picked to win the league even if many times it is deserved.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 11, 2013, 07:58:51 PM
Should have been Crean.
Crean accomplished building a team with talent, but he lost twice as many games as he should have with that talent. No way he should be coach of the year.
Bo deserved it. That team looked dead in the water at the start of conference play. The only player with more than an ounce of talent is Dekker, yet he managed 12-6 in the toughest conference.
How is everyone evaluating COY? Becuase often times, the argument for Buzz to win is who we lost in the offseason, combined with preseason predictions/expectations vs. final standings. If you're going by those standards, Ryan is much more deserving than Crean (they were preseason #1 with a preseason POY). Those of you saying Crean is deserving.. by what standards/metrics?
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 11, 2013, 07:58:51 PM
Should have been Crean.
Should have been if one limits the honor simply to number of wins. Fact is, coaches are leaders and Crean's outrageous behavior removes him from any consideration. If he matures and demonstrates more appropriate leadership traits and qualities then he may be considered. Until then, he is very far any such honor.
You can take the trash out of the Trailer Park but you can't take the Trailer Park out of the trash.
Did they do preseason conference predictions before or after Gasser tore his acl?
Congatulations to Bo. Thought he coached better in other years than this year. But, considering the mediocre talent on this year's team he did a great job to make them win.
Quote from: MUBalla23 on March 11, 2013, 08:29:28 PM
Good to know that we award mediocrity. Wisco finished 4th in a vastly overrated Big Ten Conference. Weren't they preseason picked 6th place?
Yes, but that was before Gasser got hurt. When Mu played UW their guards sucked. UW's guards improved a great deal since then and you have to credit coaching for that.
What does COY actually matter for? Nothing! Good for the badgers they had a great season and have a chance to make a run. Bo does more with weak recruiting classes than just about anybody in the NCAA. For that I give him credit.
Well look who votes for it. They have a separate media and coaches vote. I'd guess Crean didn't get a whole lot of his fellow coaches votes. And I have no idea what media votes, so who knows.
I didn't care so much until the cutting down the nets, and going after Meyer. Now he's deep on the sh!tlist. What a jacka$$. (I know it's been said so many times)
Congrats to Bo. Don't like his game, but he does it well and gets his players and fans to buy into it.
Quote from: T-Bone on March 11, 2013, 09:11:47 PM
I didn't care so much until the cutting down the nets, and going after Meyer. Now he's deep on the sh!tlist. What a jacka$$. (I know it's been said so many times)
This made me laugh. Seriously though, how much of a jack hole do you need to be to be less desirable than Count Chocula?
Quote from: CAGASS24 on March 11, 2013, 07:35:11 PM
Wins coach of the year???? Good for him, had some big wins, but I thought that Purdue home loss and almost penn state loss when having a chance to split the title would have taken him out for sure. If I'm izzo, crean, or beilein, I'm a little perplexed.
Not surprising, they've been talking about it for a few weeks now. He lost his starting PG before the season, finished 4th place.
The last 6 years, half the time the Big Ten a coach that won the championship didn't win coach of the year, especially if you are supposed to win the championship.
2008 Wisconsin won the title, Painter won COY
2009 MSU won the title, Izzo and DeChellis won co-COY
2010 MSU, Purdue and OSU won title, Matta & Painter won COY (Izzo did not)
2011 OSU won title, Painter won COY
2012 UM, MSU and OSU won title, only Izzo won COY
2013 IU won title, Ryan won COY
Crean is not liked by his fellow coaches or many in the media. Not surprising he wouldn't win it. Plus, being picked to win the conference and then winning it doesn't get you much. Ask Rick Pitino this year, he won't win COY either because he was expected to win the title.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on March 11, 2013, 07:46:24 PM
Bo was deserving. I'd say Crean was more deserving.
+1. Plain and Simple.
I've often wondered about voting for college COY. In the NBA the coach is given players and the one that does the most with the least is probably the best coach. In college, the coach recruits and then coaches. So, is the college COY the one that does the most (like the NBA) with the least or the one that does the best (recruits and coaches, i.e., wins)?
I lean towards the coach that does the most with the least, but I don't know how the sportswriters vote (Bo won so, I guess that the Big 10 has spoken). In this case, Bo did the most with the least but Crean has the best team.
I agree, college coaching is a year-round job where you build your own team. Aside from new hires, if the bench is bare it's the coaches fault. We have been spoiled here by never having a down year as Buzz as always made a tourney team from what many thought was no chance. A coach shouldn't be penalized for bringing in talent or developing it into high expectations, they should be awarded for bring it in, cultivating it, and then winning. Just because you are a crappy recruiter shouldn't give you an edge for COY. Look at how pleased people were with Wright despite that "lack of talent" being entirely his team.
Bo Ryan should turn around and give the award to Traevon Jackson. He had to replace one position - PG - and Jackson went in and took the position after Bo chose Marshall. It may have even been fortuitous for Bo that Gasser went down because Bo needed a scoring PG. From what I recall Gasser is not a good or efficient scorer (except against Northwestern). Jackson won both the Penn State and Iowa games, which was the difference between 4th and 5th in what turned out to be a 5 team league.
Aside from PG, Bo had 3 Srs and a significant contributor returning. They did the same thing that they always do. When its good enough its good enough; when its not its not. It's the same as when Boeheim gets coach of the year. Would never vote for either.
Traevon Jackson was incredibly inconsistent at point guard. He did a good job because it is not his natural position, but he wasn't stellar by any stretch.
congrats to Coach Ryan and UW hoops.
now, let's getem' in the big dance and have Buzz do the WV 2-step all over 'em!
I'm a bit surprised Ryan won. He's done more with less in the past and always finishes fourth so this achievement isn't all that surprising even with the supposed next John Stockton not playing (talk about absence making the heart grow fonder, eh, Joshie?).
Real question is do the coaches vote for their brethren? If so, no shock Crean (who deserved it) didn't win it. Also no shock that Burke won over Oladipo even though Oladipo is odds on for National POY in some services because Crean crushed Oladipo's chances the moment he questioned how the conference selects player of the week two weeks ago.
Don't be caught unawares if Indiana doesn't win many individual awards in the near future unless it is a knock down no doubt selection.
Bo deserved this. If you don't see that what he did with so little then you weren't really watching.
Injured players, low talent. And they finished in a tie for 4th in the best conference in the nation.
I don't see how this is even a conversation.
They're were very few surprises in the Big Ten this year. Indiana won as expected. Ohio State, Michigan State and Michigan were close on their heels, as expected. Only Wisconsin in the top 5 exceeded expectations, and they did it in spite of the loss of (important because there was nobody behind him) Gasser. That tipped the scales in Bo's direction. I'm sure TC finished second.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 12, 2013, 09:35:42 AM
Bo deserved this. If you don't see that what he did with so little then you weren't really watching.
Injured players, low talent. And they finished in a tie for 4th in the best conference in the nation.
I don't see how this is even a conversation.
Wow! A tie for 4th!
/kicks self for chiming in on this thread