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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Aughnanure on March 06, 2013, 11:38:52 PM
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Let's hope it finally does.
http://ajerseyguy.com/?p=5545
Barring a last-minute snag, the Big East is expected to make a formal announcement on Thursday that the Catholic 7 group of schools–DePaul, Marquette, Georgetown, Seton Hall, Providence, Villanova and St. John’s will leave the conference, effective June 30th.
The Catholic 7 are expected to also announce that their new conference will be called the Big East (effective July 1) and they will immediately pursue plans to add additional members, who will join the conference and begin play next season.
A meeting among the Catholic 7 group in New York next week will focus on the names, with two Atlantic 10 members, Butler and Xavier, the most likely immediate additions.
The Big East also is ready to announce that Notre Dame will exercise an option to leave the conference a year early and join the ACC as a member in all sports but football, but that announcement could also come out of the ACC office in Greensboro, North Carolina.
The Big East is also expected to announce that a new name for the conference is being discussed and will be revealed, with more details in the next few weeks, as well as announcement that a site for next year’s men’s basketball tournament is being discussed.
All of the details of this final break up of the “original” Big East have not yet been completed.
The first step will be to officially announce the split with the Catholic 7 and that should be made with a simple statement on Thursday, barring some unexpected snag.
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Nm
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http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/9026064/catholic-7-reaches-agreement-leave-big-east-summer-sources-say
The Big East Conference is expected to announce Thursday that it has reached an agreement with the Catholic 7 basketball schools, allowing for their departure this summer, sources said.
The agreement between the Big East and the Catholic 7 -- DePaul, Georgetown, Marquette, Providence, Seton Hall, St. John's and Villanova -- will allow those schools to keep the Big East name and the right to play their basketball tournament at Madison Square Garden, sources said.
The seven schools will depart on June 30 and will begin their new league on July 1, sources said. They are expected to add Butler and Xavier and likely Creighton to have at least a 10-team basketball league for the 2013-14 season, according to sources.
Dayton and St. Louis are the leading candidates to increase the league's membership to 12 teams for the 2014-15 season, sources said.
The remaining schools in the Big East will have 10 members in 2014: Connecticut, Cincinnati, East Carolina, Houston, Memphis, South Florida, SMU, Temple, Tulane and UCF. Navy is scheduled to join in 2015, and Tulsa is the leading candidate to become the league's 12th member in either 2014 or '15, sources said.
The current Big East will have to come up with a new conference name by July 1. The league's offices will remain in Providence, R.I., for at least a couple of years, sources said, even though Providence College is leaving.
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Well, after watching the VCU-Richmond game tonight, I'd take either of those teams over Dayton, especially as it would put another East Coast team in the "Big East."
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Well, after watching the VCU-Richmond game tonight, I'd take either of those teams over Dayton, especially as it would put another East Coast team in the "Big East."
Agreed. Granted it was a crosstown classic, the atmosphere at VCU is pretty unreal. Would be a fun road game.
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Hearing that the C7 and current Big East will announce the split sometime today and that we get the conference name and MSG. No mention of the TV contract, but that may be because its an ESPN article.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/9026064/catholic-7-reaches-agreement-leave-big-east-summer-sources-say
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And Richmond is a nice town to visit to boot.
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Essentially we are paying money to kick the schools we don't want out of the Big East.
I like it.
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Folks at Georgetown esp. JTIII prefer these VA schools because of East Coast recruiting needs and the Northern VA media market. Good test of Gtown's weight in the new BE. My guess (I live out here) it's considerable. Maybe VCU and Creighton as a compromise package for making the 12.
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Folks at Georgetown esp. JTIII prefer these VA schools because of East Coast recruiting needs and the Northern VA media market. Good test of Gtown's weight in the new BE. My guess (I live out here) it's considerable. Maybe VCU and Creighton as a compromise package for making the 12.
Georgetown wants no part of VCU in the C7....hence why they are pushing for Richmond instead.
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Indeed. The media needs to stop saying the C7 is "leaving" the conference.
We're not leaving. We're kicking out other teams, adding some others.
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Folks at Georgetown esp. JTIII prefer these VA schools because of East Coast recruiting needs and the Northern VA media market. Good test of Gtown's weight in the new BE. My guess (I live out here) it's considerable. Maybe VCU and Creighton as a compromise package for making the 12.
One of the problems with adding a public school, VCU or any other, is then the financials of the conference have to be made public. Also, the Northern VA market is already there, when I lived in Arlington, VA for two years the media covered the DC schools, Richmond schools never were mentioned unless it was NCAA time, VA and VT got some coverage.
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Indeed. The media needs to stop saying the C7 is "leaving" the conference.
We're not leaving. We're kicking out other teams, adding some others.
Actually from a legal standpoint, the C7 are leaving, and buying the rights to the name. So it is an accurate report.
One of the problems with adding a public school, VCU or any other, is then the financials of the conference have to be made public.
No the financials of the conference have to be made public because they are not-for-profit entities. If you go onto Guidestar, you can find the tax returns of all athletic conferences, even those made up completely of private members.
The supposed problem is that it makes any email that comes to, or leaves from, the servers at the public schools subject to public records requests, but IMO that isn't that big of a deal.
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Indeed. The media needs to stop saying the C7 is "leaving" the conference.
We're not leaving. We're kicking out other teams, adding some others.
+1 Additionally, I'm glad they are just making this move effective this summer. I really get annoyed with the schools who say they are leaving and then stay for 2 years. I get that it is part of the rules, but it is stupid.
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Actually from a legal standpoint, the C7 are leaving, and buying the rights to the name. So it is an accurate report.
No the financials of the conference have to be made public because they are not-for-profit entities. If you go onto Guidestar, you can find the tax returns of all athletic conferences, even those made up completely of private members.
The supposed problem is that it makes any email that comes to, or leaves from, the servers at the public schools subject to public records requests, but IMO that isn't that big of a deal.
Thanks for classifying . I was confused why this was a big deal considering you can see what thy report as buzzs salary already on tax forms . Seems like kinky a big deal if you are doing shady stuff. If so just get a gmail account.
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Essentially we are paying money to kick the schools we don't want out of the Big East.
I like it.
Exactly. The average fan doesn't follow this realigned stuff. Keeping the Big East name and MSG for the tourney is huge. We are still the Big East. The leftovers will be something else, even if on paper they are the "old" league.
Kind of like the old/new Cleveland Browns.
Which raises the issue of conference records? Who keeps them?
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Thanks for classifying . I was confused why this was a big deal considering you can see what thy report as buzzs salary already on tax forms . Seems like kinky a big deal if you are doing shady stuff. If so just get a gmail account.
Yeah, Buzz's salary is already on Marquette's tax forms because he is the highest paid employee at the University. And conference financials really aren't that big of a deal anyway. I just perused the West Coast Conference's and the Big Ten's and they show income and expense in broad categories...salaries paid...distributions to members, etc. Pretty routine information.
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Will naming rights to the Big East include carrying over the conference's historical/statistical information?
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Which raises the issue of conference records? Who keeps them?
Personally, I think that is the measure of which is the "new" league. I'd have to imagine the C7 keeps them. But who knows.
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"The league's offices will remain in Providence, R.I., for at least a couple of years, sources said, even though Providence College is leaving."
I think this is my favorite rarely-discussed part of it. The soon-to-be-ex-Big East schools have no idea where their office will be so they're leaving it in the cradle of the old Big East, where they have no presence and where they will be reminded daily of what they used to be.
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One must remember that ESPN is doing much of the reporting on this right now so their spin will certainly be that the C7 are leaving........... their television network, that is. Typical Debbie Downer reporting as they try to prop up the remnant conference of misfits.
Just wait for the Fox Robot to start the hype machine for the real Big East.
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One must remember that ESPN is doing much of the reporting on this right now so their spin will certainly be that the C7 are leaving........... their television network, that is. Typical Debbie Downer reporting as they try to prop up the remnant conference of misfits.
Just wait for the Fox Robot to start the hype machine for the real Big East.
OMG - are we going to get Cletus?
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OMG - are we going to get Cletus?
I'm hoping for a new one. Doesn't Cletus have like built in shoulder pads and other football-centric gear? I want a basketball robot!
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One must remember that ESPN is doing much of the reporting on this right now so their spin will certainly be that the C7 are leaving........... their television network, that is. Typical Debbie Downer reporting as they try to prop up the remnant conference of misfits.
Just wait for the Fox Robot to start the hype machine for the real Big East.
Does anyone currently watch games on a Fox produced regional channel? Just curious as to what their broadcast look like since I am so used to the ESPN/CBS layout. Even the current Big East Network obviously uses ESPN resources since it looks exactly the same. Just curious.
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OMG - are we going to get Cletus?
I thought WVU left the conference?
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I thought WVU left the conference?
Zing!
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The supposed problem is that it makes any email that comes to, or leaves from, the servers at the public schools subject to public records requests, but IMO that isn't that big of a deal.
Agreed--while a consideration, I think the FOIA thing, in and of itself, has been blown out of proportion with VCU. IMO, the bigger issue (of which the FOIA implications may be a smaller part), with VCU is a cultural/branding thing. As the only large, public institution, they'd be a significant outlier. I think the conference is making an intentional effort to gather schools with similar profiles to help the branding of the conference overall--not just in basketball.
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Actually from a legal standpoint, the C7 are leaving, and buying the rights to the name. So it is an accurate report.
Accurate schmacurate!
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Agreed--while a consideration, I think the FOIA thing, in and of itself, has been blown out of proportion with VCU. IMO, the bigger issue (of which the FOIA implications may be a smaller part), with VCU is a cultural/branding thing. As the only large, public institution, they'd be a significant outlier. I think the conference is making an intentional effort to gather schools with similar profiles to help the branding of the conference overall--not just in basketball.
I think that is exactly it. And not just for branding reasons, but because of football possibilities. It is *much* easier for public universities to set up football programs than it is for privates. And one of VCU's former conference mates is moving ahead with that - Old Dominion. And in fact will be part of Conference USA along with Charlotte. I don't know if the C7 really trust any public university for that very reason.
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"The league's offices will remain in Providence, R.I., for at least a couple of years, sources said, even though Providence College is leaving."
I think this is my favorite rarely-discussed part of it. The soon-to-be-ex-Big East schools have no idea where their office will be so they're leaving it in the cradle of the old Big East, where they have no presence and where they will be reminded daily of what they used to be.
I have no ill will toward the conference we're leaving. I don't think any of this is Aresco's fault (maybe for not taking the huge deal offered by ESPN initially, but larger forces were at play here that would have ultimately manifested themselves in the current conference shifts). This break-up lies squarely on the shoulders of Cuse and PITT, and to a lesser degree WVU for precipitating the movement.
Do I take some pleasure in Cincy and UCONN lingering in Nirvana? Yes.
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Does anyone currently watch games on a Fox produced regional channel? Just curious as to what their broadcast look like since I am so used to the ESPN/CBS layout. Even the current Big East Network obviously uses ESPN resources since it looks exactly the same. Just curious.
I haven't watched Fox Sports regional broadcasts of basketball, but I watch their baseball broadcasts a lot on Fox Sorts Wisconsin for the Brewers. Those productions are usually uneven early in the year and become pretty good by May. In my opinion, the production value on Brewers games never gets to the level that Fox national playoff games reach (obviously), but are far from amateurish. If our basketball games are broadcast as well as the typical FSWisconsin baseball game it would be a 6-7/10 and very watchable I think,
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Well, Aresco wasn't apparently the best of communicators and that manifested itself with the decision to add Tulane. And while you can blame Pitt and Syracuse, honestly if you were in their shoes, you would take the ACC invite as well.
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Does anyone currently watch games on a Fox produced regional channel? Just curious as to what their broadcast look like since I am so used to the ESPN/CBS layout. Even the current Big East Network obviously uses ESPN resources since it looks exactly the same. Just curious.
Although, what I said above might be true, but if they bring on total hacks for talent that can't be bothered to research the teams or ask an SID for clarification on name pronunciation, then we'll be complaining about the broadcasts.
I've done a MU game in the past as color; we had it online and some people here said my partner and I did a decent job. I'm not an ex-basketball player and wasn't even a broadcasting major. It's not that hard of a job if you take it seriously.
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Didn't Fox carry the Paradise Jam tournament last year? That wasn't exactly top notch production.
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Didn't Fox carry the Paradise Jam tournament last year? That wasn't exactly top notch production.
But that was produced by some independent production house and sold to Fox.
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The supposed problem is that it makes any email that comes to, or leaves from, the servers at the public schools subject to public records requests, but IMO that isn't that big of a deal.
It also isn't true.
Though it differs somewhat from state to state, there are many exemptions to the Freedom of Information Act. In Virginia, since that's the state we're talking about here, those exemptions include:
- personnel records
- attorney work product and privileged matters
- records of contract negotiations (not the final contract)
- student records
- health records
So, while having public institutions as members would open the conference up to some additional scrutiny, it's hardly the "everything is public" scenario some seem to be suggesting.
And, of course, every other major conference out there seems to be managing just fine with public school members.
There are reasons to prefer other schools over VCU, but this shouldn't be one of them.
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Didn't Fox carry the Paradise Jam tournament last year? That wasn't exactly top notch production.
Doesn't anyone remember what happened when Fox won an NFL Sunday contract for the first time? Everyone was certain that they would not be able to pull it off, and the product they would put out would be far inferior to the Big Three. But instead, they hired great talent (for the most part), became technology innovators (Why do you think they call it the Fox box?), and had the other networks scrambling to keep up.
Why would they put any less effort into FoxSports1?
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Why would they put any less effort into FoxSports1?
This is the key. If FS1 has any intention of being a legitimate challenger to ESPN, then they have to invest in the talent and technology to do so. Go out and find good producers and behind the scenes staff who can put together a solid production. Get good exec-level producers who can give the whole network a good consist graphical/production feel. And then spring for some smooth talent for the broadcasts themselves. I know a few people firsthand who are hands down better than some of the dregs that ESPN trots out on a nightly basis and who would be WAY cheaper.
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I have no ill will toward the conference we're leaving. I don't think any of this is Aresco's fault (maybe for not taking the huge deal offered by ESPN initially, but larger forces were at play here that would have ultimately manifested themselves in the current conference shifts). This break-up lies squarely on the shoulders of Cuse and PITT, and to a lesser degree WVU for precipitating the movement.
Do I take some pleasure in Cincy and UCONN lingering in Nirvana? Yes.
You can blame Pitt for leading the charge to turn down ESPN's contract offer. Or, you can blame ESPN for convincing the ACC to add Pitt and Syracuse. Or you can say that how ever it happened, with football and TV involved, it was bound to happen. The point is we're free of the mess - which in my mind will get messier still - with the best possible group of like situated schools, in a stable environment for the first time. And we got away with a very favorable agreement. Yea!
All I can say is thank God Pitt put the kaboosh on Villanova moving their football team up to FBS status in the Big East.
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What are the dollar terms of the deal? IS C7 paying real dollars or are they walking away from fees paid by schools that jumped ship?
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Does anyone currently watch games on a Fox produced regional channel? Just curious as to what their broadcast look like since I am so used to the ESPN/CBS layout. Even the current Big East Network obviously uses ESPN resources since it looks exactly the same. Just curious.
I haven't watched any this year.
BUT......they do have Gus Johnson under contract.
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I hope they bring back the Foxtrax they had for hockey which put a trail behind the puck.
What are the dollar terms of the deal? IS C7 paying real dollars or are they walking away from fees paid by schools that jumped ship?
That's a good point. I guess we are essentially giving up our exit fee money to kick schools we don't want out.
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I hope they bring back the Foxtrax they had for hockey which put a trail behind the puck.
That's a good point. I guess we are essentially giving up our exit fee money to kick schools we don't want out.
Correct. Most of the money going to the schools being left behind are the exit fees paid by schools like Syracuse, Pitt, WVU, Rutgers, etc..
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Any timeframe for the statement?
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I haven't watched any this year.
BUT......they do have Gus Johnson under contract.
Has anyone else heard Gus Johnson doing the Barclay's League games on Fox Soccer? I def did a double-take. Hate when they've got the US guys announcing. At least he's been at the games tho.
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I'm curious, what kind of broadcasters does Fox Sports have? Any good 1's compared to ESPN's?
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I'm curious, what kind of broadcasters does Fox Sports have? Any good 1's compared to ESPN's?
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I'm curious, what kind of broadcasters does Fox Sports have? Any good 1's compared to ESPN's?
(http://thesportsgeeks.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/GusJohnsonIGetBuckets.jpg)
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Agreed--while a consideration, I think the FOIA thing, in and of itself, has been blown out of proportion with VCU. IMO, the bigger issue (of which the FOIA implications may be a smaller part), with VCU is a cultural/branding thing. As the only large, public institution, they'd be a significant outlier. I think the conference is making an intentional effort to gather schools with similar profiles to help the branding of the conference overall--not just in basketball.
They would be bizzaro Northwestern.
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If you like Gus, this is fun.
http://FunnyOrDie.com/m/5fld
I love the guy, and he's very self aware, which makes it more fun.
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I can still hear Gus calling DJO's three against the Orange.
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Didn't Fox carry the Paradise Jam tournament last year? That wasn't exactly top notch production.
Laura and her fans beg to differ.
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So is there really going to be anything official announced today? I've never seen a story before where there were so many unofficial announcements that there was going to be an announcement.
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The contract with MSG runs through 2026, correct?
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Fox Sports Wisconsin/North for Brewers/Twins broadcasts is top notch. Same w/fox sport Detroit.
Fox Sports TelAviv is coming in 2017 and I can't wait!!!