Here is a tiny spreadsheet I just worked up to get an idea of the tournament history of our potential new conference. Surprising how much better the C7 teams, minus Seton Hall, have done in the tournament than the possible newcomers.
Team Tournament Appearances Tournament Record Final Fours Championship Seasons
Marquette 30 38-31 3 1977
Georgetown 28 46-27 5 1984
Villanova 32 49-32 4 1985
Seton Hall 9 15-9 1 None
St. Johns 28 27-30 2 None
Providence 15 14-16 2 None
DePaul 22 21-25 2 None
C7 TOTALS 164 210-170 19 3
Xavier 23 21-23 0 None
Butler 11 18-11 2 None
Creighton 17 10-18 0 None
St. Louis 7 4-8 0 None
Richmond 9 8-9 0 None
Dayton 14 14-16 1 None
Gonzaga 15 17-15 0 None
P.S. sorry for the janky format, don't know why it's not lined up correctly
Quote from: Stronghold on February 27, 2013, 10:04:18 PM
Here is a tiny spreadsheet I just worked up to get an idea of the tournament history of our potential new conference. Surprising how much better the C7 teams, minus Seton Hall, have done in the tournament than the possible newcomers.
Team Tournament Appearances Tournament Record Final Fours Championship Seasons
Marquette 30 38-31 3 1977
Georgetown 28 46-27 5 1984
Villanova 32 49-32 4 1985
Seton Hall 9 15-9 1 None
St. Johns 28 27-30 2 None
Providence 15 14-16 2 None
DePaul 22 21-25 2 None
C7 TOTALS 164 210-170 19 3
Xavier 23 21-23 0 None
Butler 11 18-11 2 None
Creighton 17 10-18 0 None
St. Louis 7 4-8 0 None
Richmond 9 8-9 0 None
Dayton 14 14-16 1 None
Gonzaga 15 17-15 0 None
Fify.
Quote from: Stronghold on February 27, 2013, 10:04:18 PM
Here is a tiny spreadsheet I just worked up to get an idea of the tournament history of our potential new conference. Surprising how much better the C7 teams, minus Seton Hall, have done in the tournament than the possible newcomers.
Team Tournament Appearances Tournament Record Final Fours Championship Seasons
Marquette 30 38-31 3 1977
Georgetown 28 46-27 5 1984
Villanova 32 49-32 4 1985
Seton Hall 9 15-9 1 None
St. Johns 28 27-30 2 None
Providence 15 14-16 2 None
DePaul 22 21-25 2 None
C7 TOTALS 164 210-170 19 3
Xavier 23 21-23 0 None
Butler 11 18-11 2 None
Creighton 17 10-18 0 None
St. Louis 7 4-8 0 None
Richmond 9 8-9 0 None
Dayton 14 14-16 1 None
Gonzaga 15 17-15 0 None
Why are Dayton and Richmond on this list?
Quote from: keefe on February 27, 2013, 10:35:39 PM
Why are Dayton and Richmond on this list?
Because the odds of both joining are about 1,000% higher than the odds of Gonzaga joining.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 27, 2013, 10:40:26 PM
Because the odds of both joining are about 1,000% higher than the odds of Gonzaga joining.
I know you have family from Dayton but that hardly means we should bring them into the mix. How you say...Mid Major?
I just added teams that have been in the debate on the board.
Quote from: Stronghold on February 27, 2013, 10:45:28 PM
I just added teams that have been in the debate on the board.
You forgot VCU! =)
Quote from: keefe on February 27, 2013, 10:35:39 PM
Why are Dayton and Richmond on this list?
See the 30 other threads on this topic.
I really hope it starts as a 10 team league with Butler, Xavier, and Creighton, and then see what other conference realignment happens in the next 18 months before the conference even begins (most likely). I'd just hate to get locked in when other schools could be available depending on what else happens.
I think over the last 10 years would be more relevant.
Quote from: bilsu on February 27, 2013, 11:38:23 PM
I think over the last 10 years would be more relevant.
Marquette - 8 NCAAs, 1 Final Four, 1 Elite Eight, 3 Sweet 16s, 10 total NCAA wins
Villanova - 7 NCAAs, 1 Final Four, 2 Elite Eights, 4 Sweet 16s, 12 total NCAA wins
Georgetown - 6 NCAAs, 1 Final Four, 1 Elite Eight, 2 Sweet 16s, 7 total NCAA wins
Seton Hall - 2 NCAAs, 1 total NCAA win
DePaul - 1 NCAA, 1 total NCAA win
St. John's - 1 NCAA, 0 total NCAA wins
Providence - 1 NCAA, 0 total NCAA wins
Xavier - 9 NCAAs, 2 Elite Eights, 5 Sweet 16s, 14 total NCAA wins
Butler - 6 NCAAs, 2 Runner Ups, 2 Final Fours, 2 Elite Eights, 4 Sweet 16s, 15 total NCAA wins
VCU - 5 NCAAs, 1 Final Four, 1 Elite Eight, 1 Sweet 16, 7 total NCAA wins
Creighton - 4 NCAAs, 1 total NCAA win
Richmond - 3 NCAAs, 2 total NCAA wins
Dayton - 3 NCAAs, 1 total NCAA win
St. Louis - 1 NCAA, 1 total NCAA win
Gonzaga - 10 NCAAs, 2 Sweet 16s, 10 total NCAA wins
Looking at the performance over the past 10 years, Seton Hall, St. John's, Providence and DePaul have really stunk.
Quote from: Norm on February 27, 2013, 11:53:45 PM
Marquette - 8 NCAAs, 1 Final Four, 1 Elite Eight, 3 Sweet 16s, 10 total NCAA wins
Villanova - 7 NCAAs, 1 Final Four, 2 Elite Eights, 4 Sweet 16s, 12 total NCAA wins
Georgetown - 6 NCAAs, 1 Final Four, 1 Elite Eight, 2 Sweet 16s, 7 total NCAA wins
Seton Hall - 2 NCAAs, 1 total NCAA win
DePaul - 1 NCAA, 1 total NCAA win
St. John's - 1 NCAA, 0 total NCAA wins
Providence - 1 NCAA, 0 total NCAA wins
Xavier - 9 NCAAs, 2 Elite Eights, 5 Sweet 16s, 14 total NCAA wins
Butler - 6 NCAAs, 2 Runner Ups, 2 Final Fours, 2 Elite Eights, 4 Sweet 16s, 15 total NCAA wins
VCU - 5 NCAAs, 1 Final Four, 1 Elite Eight, 1 Sweet 16, 7 total NCAA wins
Creighton - 4 NCAAs, 1 total NCAA win
Richmond - 3 NCAAs, 2 total NCAA wins
Dayton - 3 NCAAs, 1 total NCAA win
St. Louis - 1 NCAA, 1 total NCAA win
Gonzaga - 10 NCAAs, 2 Sweet 16s, 10 total NCAA wins
Looking at the performance over the past 10 years, Seton Hall, St. John's, Providence and DePaul have really stunk.
Well done, Norm. This really puts it into perspective on how well MU has done.
Marquette really has a chance to be the poster child of the league with our upcoming class.
Quote from: Norm on February 27, 2013, 10:57:59 PM
You forgot VCU! =)
He also forgot Siena ad Detroit Mercy
Quote from: Stronghold on February 27, 2013, 10:04:18 PM
| Team | Tournament Appearances | Tournament Record | Final Fours | Championship Seasons |
| Creighton | 17 | 10-18 | 0 | None |
| Dayton | 14 | 14-16 | 1 | None |
Quote from: Norm on February 27, 2013, 11:53:45 PM
Creighton - 4 NCAAs, 1 total NCAA win
Dayton - 3 NCAAs, 1 total NCAA win
In light of the facts, can someone please explain the overwhelming support for Creighton and extreme animosity for Dayton?
Quote from: wardle2wade on February 28, 2013, 01:29:20 AM
Well done, Norm. This really puts it into perspective on how well MU has done.
Marquette really has a chance to be the poster child of the league with our upcoming class.
It also puts into perspective just how good Xavier has been. That is very impressive.
Quote from: The Equalizer on February 28, 2013, 09:43:30 AM
In light of the facts, can someone please explain the overwhelming support for Creighton and extreme animosity for Dayton?
Similarly, explain the presumption that SLU will be added. From the looks of it, Dayton would be a better add.
Quote from: The Equalizer on February 28, 2013, 09:43:30 AM
In light of the facts, can someone please explain the overwhelming support for Creighton and extreme animosity for Dayton?
Because Dayton's fans can be kinda dickish.
But seriously, I think you have Marquette pushing for Creighton, and to a lesser degree SLU, because of the Jesuit connections between the schools...you have Georgetown pushing for Richmond as a eastern alternative...and Dayton is stuck without advocates.
Quote from: The Equalizer on February 28, 2013, 09:43:30 AM
In light of the facts, can someone please explain the overwhelming support for Creighton and extreme animosity for Dayton?
Creighton is #6 in attendance. Also a new media market (Dayton is sandwiched between X and Butler). Also, Creighton is Jesuit, Dayton is not.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 04, 2013, 09:49:22 AM
Because Dayton's fans can be kinda dickish.
But seriously, I think you have Marquette pushing for Creighton, and to a lesser degree SLU, because of the Jesuit connections between the schools...you have Georgetown pushing for Richmond as a eastern alternative...and Dayton is stuck without advocates.
Doesn't hurt that Creighton's president is a former Marquette administrator and current member of MU's Board of Trustees.
Also, Creighton is a much better program that gives the conference opportunity for exposure in a different region/market (the Dayton market largely overlaps with Cincy).
And, last but not least, Dayton fans suck.
Quote from: The Equalizer on February 28, 2013, 09:43:30 AM
In light of the facts, can someone please explain the overwhelming support for Creighton and extreme animosity for Dayton?
Dayton is a shitty town that bring nothing in terms of media market.
The camera angle at Dayton Arena is horrid. I hate it.
And there's this http://udpride.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=3
Quote from: PTM on March 04, 2013, 10:23:02 AM
And there's this http://udpride.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=3
"Path to the A10 12-seed"...how aspirational.
Quote from: slingkong on March 04, 2013, 09:46:30 AM
Similarly, explain the presumption that SLU will be added. From the looks of it, Dayton would be a better add.
All depends on what selective sample you pull. All-time? Sure, Dayton trumps SLU. Last 10 years, slight edge. Last 10 years when you include this year - up by one appearance and SLU has more success in the tournament. Moving forward and considering media market? SLU for sure.
Once you get past butler, there aren't a lot of distinguishing factors between the other teams.
Quote from: buckchuckler on March 04, 2013, 10:43:56 AM
Once you get past butler, there aren't a lot of distinguishing factors between the other teams.
Which is why I'd rather stick with 9 for now.
Quote from: Norm on February 27, 2013, 11:53:45 PM
Marquette - 8 NCAAs, 1 Final Four, 1 Elite Eight, 3 Sweet 16s, 10 total NCAA wins
Villanova - 7 NCAAs, 1 Final Four, 2 Elite Eights, 4 Sweet 16s, 12 total NCAA wins
Georgetown - 6 NCAAs, 1 Final Four, 1 Elite Eight, 2 Sweet 16s, 7 total NCAA wins
Seton Hall - 2 NCAAs, 1 total NCAA win
DePaul - 1 NCAA, 1 total NCAA win
St. John's - 1 NCAA, 0 total NCAA wins
Providence - 1 NCAA, 0 total NCAA wins
Xavier - 9 NCAAs, 2 Elite Eights, 5 Sweet 16s, 14 total NCAA wins
Butler - 6 NCAAs, 2 Runner Ups, 2 Final Fours, 2 Elite Eights, 4 Sweet 16s, 15 total NCAA wins
VCU - 5 NCAAs, 1 Final Four, 1 Elite Eight, 1 Sweet 16, 7 total NCAA wins
Creighton - 4 NCAAs, 1 total NCAA win
Richmond - 3 NCAAs, 2 total NCAA wins
Dayton - 3 NCAAs, 1 total NCAA win
St. Louis - 1 NCAA, 1 total NCAA win
Gonzaga - 10 NCAAs, 2 Sweet 16s, 10 total NCAA wins
Looking at the performance over the past 10 years, Seton Hall, St. John's, Providence and DePaul have really stunk.
This demonstrates that over the past 10 years Gonzaga has the most distinguished post season resume. One could extend that out to 15 years with similar results.
Andy Katz giving us some love in his 3 point shot and Dougie is scheduled to be on their podcast today:
3. Creighton drew 18,613 fans to the Missouri Valley Conference title showdown against Wichita State Saturday in Omaha. The Bluejays regularly draw 17,000 and rank sixth nationally in attendance. The majority of the departing Big East Catholic 7 schools would love to average that attendance. And this is exactly why Creighton is the favorite to be the 10th team when the league is formed with Xavier and Butler. The new Big East wants basketball-centric schools where the facilities and fan base provide a basketball atmosphere that rivals any other school in the country. Flying to Omaha is a connection through Chicago for a number of schools. Providence, Seton Hall, DePaul and St. John's should and likely will welcome Creighton. Marquette is already on board. Georgetown and Villanova shouldn't have issues, either.
Quote from: The Equalizer on February 28, 2013, 09:43:30 AM
In light of the facts, can someone please explain the overwhelming support for Creighton and extreme animosity for Dayton?
17 > 14 We will have enough teams that'll become good with senior loaded teams and then suck for 3 years, creighton shows more promise to be a year in and year out decent team.
Quote from: Jet915 on March 04, 2013, 10:51:41 AM
Andy Katz giving us some love in his 3 point shot and Dougie is scheduled to be on their podcast today:
3. Creighton drew 18,613 fans to the Missouri Valley Conference title showdown against Wichita State Saturday in Omaha. The Bluejays regularly draw 17,000 and rank sixth nationally in attendance. The majority of the departing Big East Catholic 7 schools would love to average that attendance. And this is exactly why Creighton is the favorite to be the 10th team when the league is formed with Xavier and Butler. The new Big East wants basketball-centric schools where the facilities and fan base provide a basketball atmosphere that rivals any other school in the country. Flying to Omaha is a connection through Chicago for a number of schools. Providence, Seton Hall, DePaul and St. John's should and likely will welcome Creighton. Marquette is already on board. Georgetown and Villanova shouldn't have issues, either.
One provision I would put on Creighton joining, you guys need a quality logo. Get a nice monogram to match everyone else.
I have landed at Offutt more than once for the sole purpose of having dinner at the 801. Great steaks.
Quote from: chapman on March 04, 2013, 10:25:15 AM
All depends on what selective sample you pull. All-time? Sure, Dayton trumps SLU. Last 10 years, slight edge. Last 10 years when you include this year - up by one appearance and SLU has more success in the tournament. Moving forward and considering media market? SLU for sure.
I really like SLU, but I am very concerned about where their program is going. Right now they are running on gas that Majerus put in the tank. Next year, they're running on fumes. After that, it could get scary. Biondi, the president, is fighting for his job and the BOT is preoccupied with figuring out a way to save him. (The BOT - being hand picked by Biondi over the last 25 years - is the only part of the University that wants Biondi to stay.)
Crews is coaching great, but he's still only the interim HC, a job he didn't really want and only took so that Rick could have the job back had his health worked out. Crews was out of college basketball, and only came back to be an assistant for Rick. So, its up in the air whether Crews gets offered the job, and whether he takes it if it is offered to him. If Crews is the new HC, there would be serious concern about whether he could recruit well enough to keep SLU relevant. (Recruiting is reported to be his Achilles heel). Their recruiting class for next year is one very mediocre SG. This is SLU's chance to build off their success this year and last year to recruit some solid classes, and it's slipping away. In the late 90's, SLU was were Creighton is today, ranking in the top ten of the NCAA in attendance. Then Spoonhour retired and SLU started a slide into basketball oblivion which wasn't reversed until they hired Majerus. This spring will determine whether history will repeat itself, and SLU will have to make a lot of smart moves while simultaneously dealing with the "Biondi must go" mess. I'm not optimistic.
Quote from: LittleMurs on March 04, 2013, 11:24:25 AM
I really like SLU, but I am very concerned about where their program is going. Right now they are running on gas that Majerus put in the tank. Next year, they're running on fumes. After that, it could get scary. Biondi, the president, is fighting for his job and the BOT is preoccupied with figuring out a way to save him. (The BOT - being hand picked by Biondi over the last 25 years - is the only part of the University that wants Biondi to stay.)
Crews is coaching great, but he's still only the interim HC, a job he didn't really want and only took so that Rick could have the job back had his health worked out. Crews was out of college basketball, and only came back to be an assistant for Rick. So, its up in the air whether Crews gets offered the job, and whether he takes it if it is offered to him. If Crews is the new HC, there would be serious concern about whether he could recruit well enough to keep SLU relevant. (Recruiting is reported to be his Achilles heel). Their recruiting class for next year is one very mediocre SG. This is SLU's chance to build off their success this year and last year to recruit some solid classes, and it's slipping away. In the late 90's, SLU was were Creighton is today, ranking in the top ten of the NCAA in attendance. Then Spoonhour retired and SLU started a slide into basketball oblivion which wasn't reversed until they hired Majerus. This spring will determine whether history will repeat itself, and SLU will have to make a lot of smart moves while simultaneously dealing with the "Biondi must go" mess. I'm not optimistic.
That is well stated.