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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on February 19, 2013, 08:34:13 PM

Title: Seton Hall thoughts
Post by: tower912 on February 19, 2013, 08:34:13 PM
Blue, Gardner, Jwilson and Lockett combined for 56 of MU's 67 points.    That means Junior, DWilson, Otule, Juan, Mayo, Taylor combined for 11.   I like better balance.   Poor first half, but finally wore SH down.   MU showed a nice killer instinct.   Loved the effort on the boards.   Bad FT shooting is like a norovirus.   Golden Avalanche isn't wrong that MU has played some lousy halves on the road.    Still think that call at the end of the first half was awful.     I hear that SH has had injuries and just don't have bodies, but I seem to recall making the NCAA tourney with a 6.5 man rotation with high school size.    Just sayin.  
Title: Re: Seton Hall thoughts
Post by: RideMyBuycks on February 19, 2013, 08:36:21 PM
Quote from: tower912 on February 19, 2013, 08:34:13 PM
Blue, Gardner, Jwilson and Lockett combined for 55 of MU's 67 points.    That means Junior, DWilson, Otule, Juan, Mayo, Taylor combined for 12.   I like better balance.   Poor first half, but finally wore SH down.   MU showed a nice killer instinct.   Loved the effort on the boards.   Bad FT shooting is like a norovirus.   Golden Avalanche isn't wrong that MU has played some lousy halves on the road.    Still think that call at the end of the first half was awful.     I hear that SH has had injuries and just don't have bodies, but I seem to recall making the NCAA tourney with a 6.5 man rotation with high school size.    Just sayin.   

That's a lot of thoughts. Almost too many to keep track of.
Title: Re: Seton Hall thoughts
Post by: nyg on February 19, 2013, 08:43:19 PM
SH made the NCAAs because the prior coaching staff had some good recruits.  Hazell, Pope and that pesty point guard (can't recall his name, but was MU target and played with Cubillian). Since then, hey have had non-recruits signings, along with USF and Depaul.  For some reasons, they can't sign the players.
Title: Re: Seton Hall thoughts
Post by: muarmy81 on February 19, 2013, 08:44:33 PM
Quote from: nyg on February 19, 2013, 08:43:19 PM
SH made the NCAAs because the prior coaching staff had some good recruits.  Hazell, Pope and that pesty point guard (can't recall his name, but was MU target and played with Cubillian). Since then, hey have had non-recruits signings, along with USF and Depaul.  For some reasons, they can't sign the players.

Theodore
Title: Re: Seton Hall thoughts
Post by: nyg on February 19, 2013, 08:47:06 PM
Quote from: muarmy81 on February 19, 2013, 08:44:33 PM
Theodore

Yes.  Jordan Theodore, I believe.  I thank you.
Title: Re: Seton Hall thoughts
Post by: madtownwarrior on February 19, 2013, 08:49:13 PM
Missouri dance team looks way better than MU dance team..
Title: Re: Seton Hall thoughts
Post by: bkooncy on February 19, 2013, 08:55:42 PM
I wanted to talk about Otule and Gardner playing together.  I really like the possibility but they seem to get in each others way and not communicate well in the low post.  Also two big men could make it harder to break the 2-3 zone with no high post threat.  I just wanted to get others take on this new line up.
Title: Re: Seton Hall thoughts
Post by: tower912 on February 19, 2013, 08:56:55 PM
In small doses with the proper match ups.   I can't see it becoming a staple.
Title: Re: Seton Hall thoughts
Post by: tower912 on February 19, 2013, 09:05:23 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/ncaa/men/gameflash/2013/02/19/79496_boxscore.html

Box score. 
Title: Re: Seton Hall thoughts
Post by: Tugg Speedman on February 19, 2013, 09:07:11 PM
Quote from: bkooncy on February 19, 2013, 08:55:42 PM
I wanted to talk about Otule and Gardner playing together.  I really like the possibility but they seem to get in each others way and not communicate well in the low post.  Also two big men could make it harder to break the 2-3 zone with no high post threat.  I just wanted to get others take on this new line up.

In the post game with Homer Buzz said they played together for 13 possessions.
Title: Re: Seton Hall thoughts
Post by: warriorstrack on February 19, 2013, 09:08:31 PM
Quote from: bkooncy on February 19, 2013, 08:55:42 PM
I wanted to talk about Otule and Gardner playing together.  I really like the possibility but they seem to get in each others way and not communicate well in the low post.  Also two big men could make it harder to break the 2-3 zone with no high post threat.  I just wanted to get others take on this new line up.
With familiarity will come more success, Gardner and Otule will get the kinks worked out
Title: Re: Seton Hall thoughts
Post by: jsglow on February 19, 2013, 09:11:25 PM
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on February 19, 2013, 09:07:11 PM
In the post game with Homer Buzz said they played together for 13 possessions.

Another, I think he was referring to the Pitt game when he said that.  While watching on the web was challenging, I don't believe that Chris and DG played together tonight.  Certainly not 13 possessions against a team that only chucks the 3 ball.
Title: Re: Seton Hall thoughts
Post by: bobnoxious on February 19, 2013, 09:12:27 PM
They did see the floor at the same time but not 13 seemed more like 3 or 4
Title: Re: Seton Hall thoughts
Post by: bkooncy on February 19, 2013, 09:13:17 PM
Quote from: jsglow on February 19, 2013, 09:11:25 PM
Another, I think he was referring to the Pitt game when he said that.  While watching on the web was challenging, I don't believe that Chris and DG played together tonight.  Certainly not 13 possessions against a team that only chucks the 3 ball.
They did play together tonight, but I'm not sure how many possessions, but it was a decent amount.
Title: Re: Seton Hall thoughts
Post by: jsglow on February 19, 2013, 09:14:58 PM
Quote from: bkooncy on February 19, 2013, 09:13:17 PM
They did play together tonight, but I'm not sure how many possessions, but it was a decent amount.

Okay, I stand corrected as it was hard to distinguish players on my stream.
Title: Re: Seton Hall thoughts
Post by: MarquetteDano on February 19, 2013, 09:19:49 PM
In the Pitt game Gardner and Otule played quite a few DEFENSIVE possessions together.  At least six.  It was a kind of 3-2 zone, with the two big guys the 2 on the baseline.  Pitt was 0-for-6 on those possessions.  It worked well against them defensively.

Tonight I focused a bit more offensively and they tried to go high-low using those two.  Didn't work too well.  And our transition defense was horrid with those two in together.

I think Buzz will have to find the right teams/situations to use them both.  Tonight did not appear to be the right time.
Title: Re: Seton Hall thoughts
Post by: bkooncy on February 19, 2013, 09:22:32 PM
Quote from: MarquetteDano on February 19, 2013, 09:19:49 PM
In the Pitt game Gardner and Otule played quite a few DEFENSIVE possessions together.  At least six.  It was a kind of 3-2 zone, with the two big guys the 2 on the baseline.  Pitt was 0-for-6 on those possessions.  It worked well against them defensively.

Tonight I focused a bit more offensively and they tried to go high-low using those two.  Didn't work too well.  And our transition defense was horrid with those two in together.

I think Buzz will have to find the right teams/situations to use them both.  Tonight did not appear to be the right time.
agreed
Title: Re: Seton Hall thoughts
Post by: MU82 on February 19, 2013, 09:49:34 PM
Frankly, I thought we pretty much sucked when Otule and Gardner were on the court together. There aren't many teams that combo will work against. Gardner is obviously the guy who has to go high-post, meaning he'll have to handle the ball a little too much. He tried one pass to Otule that was a disaster. I guess for a 3-minute change of pace when the team isn't playing that well (as was the case when Buzz tried it tonight) it's fine.

Otherwise, very pleased with Lockett and Jamil. That's a few straight for Jamil, and I believe Lockett also has played solid all-around basketball the last month.
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