Honoring the 2003 Final Four team
During their game with Pittsburgh on Saturday, the Golden Eagles will celebrate the 10th anniversary of their most recent Final Four team.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/191416971.html
buzz's comments are really funny here, had to read it a few times to figure out what the heck he is saying, got to love it
"I was (an assistant) at Colorado State. My oldest son had just been born. We went to the NCAA Tournament. We played Duke, down four with four minutes to play and I remember hearing some new words from Coach Krzyzewski to the officials. I don't know at that moment in time in my life that I was aware what was happening at Marquette. I don't mean that in the wrong way.
"That was 2003 and that was when it was in New Orleans, right? Obviously I have great respect for Coach Crean and all the players who were on that team and hope we can do it at some point in time again. It's awesome. They can come to any game they want. Sit on the bench, play if they want. Certain players could play. Certain players would be promoted to coaches."
Quote from: LAMUfan on February 15, 2013, 12:37:10 PM
buzz's comments are really funny here, had to read it a few times to figure out what the heck he is saying, got to love it
"I was (an assistant) at Colorado State. My oldest son had just been born. We went to the NCAA Tournament. We played Duke, down four with four minutes to play and I remember hearing some new words from Coach Krzyzewski to the officials. I don't know at that moment in time in my life that I was aware what was happening at Marquette. I don't mean that in the wrong way.
"That was 2003 and that was when it was in New Orleans, right? Obviously I have great respect for Coach Crean and all the players who were on that team and hope we can do it at some point in time again. It's awesome. They can come to any game they want. Sit on the bench, play if they want. Certain players could play. Certain players would be promoted to coaches."
What is so confusing?
I can only imagine the respectful response if a certain person is put on the screen....let alone if he has a video. Heads will explode at the Bradley Center tomorrow if that's the case. My guess is that we won't see anything like that.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 15, 2013, 06:52:52 PM
I can only imagine the respectful response if a certain person is put on the screen....let alone if he has a video. Heads will explode at the Bradley Center tomorrow if that's the case. My guess is that we won't see anything like that.
That would be the time for a bathroom break.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 15, 2013, 06:52:52 PM
I can only imagine the respectful response if a certain person is put on the screen....let alone if he has a video. Heads will explode at the Bradley Center tomorrow if that's the case. My guess is that we won't see anything like that.
I am sure they will show him and you know what the response will be. The discussion this week in your old office on what will happen when they flash Crean on the Tron must have been priceless. I am certain it focused on damage control.
You must know your view of the man is quite different from most others. I would guess the majority of Marquette fans could give a sh1t but have a generally negative opinion. Tomorrow will tell. You can vote with your wallet, vote with your feet, or, in this case, vote with your voice. I think we all know how the crowd will vote.
Final push ticket deal in honor of 2003 Final Four team - $10 #mubb ticket v. Pitt plus Wade figurine. http://bit.ly/MUvPitt13
I am guessing that the tribute won't make it on air on the CBS broadcast. Can someone take a video and post it afterwards?
You spend 9 years telling everyone how it's a family, how much you love it, how special it is, how you ordered the media guide, how you love Al, how annually you'll donate $20,000 for 5 years for a soccer facility etc etc and then you leave in the middle of the night and word gets out because your brother in law (HE'S A FOOTBALL COACH!) goes on sports radio and leaks it, you have to expect some will be upset. Especially when you're so shallow you repeat the same hiring press conference.
I never fell for the man. I saw a guy who worked really hard and injected energy into a near ailing program (had not been to the tourney in 2 years, had not won their conference in 2 years) but also was the beneficiary of an in flux of cash and relaxed standards. Any coach hired was going to have success. Now would they have gone to the final four? Quinn Snyder, probably not. Alford, probably not. But it wasn't all him, despite what he would have you believe. Heck, they hired his unknown assistant who spent 1 year at low-major UNO and that guy's 1st four years more than best TC's last 4 years.
Some will boo because they hate / miss him, some will boo because they are glad he's gone. I'll probably just sit quietly saying, glad we let him go...like with Charles Woodson, you have to know when to pull the plug.
+1
Well done.
Quote from: The Lens on February 16, 2013, 07:56:46 AM
You spend 9 years telling everyone how it's a family, how much you love it, how special it is, how you ordered the media guide, how you love Al, how annually you'll donate $20,000 for 5 years for a soccer facility etc etc and then you leave in the middle of the night and word gets out because your brother in law (HE'S A FOOTBALL COACH!) goes on sports radio and leaks it, you have to expect some will be upset. Especially when you're so shallow you repeat the same hiring press conference.
I never fell for the man. I saw a guy who worked really hard and injected energy into a near ailing program (had not been to the tourney in 2 years, had not won their conference in 2 years) but also was the beneficiary of an in flux of cash and relaxed standards. Any coach hired was going to have success. Now would they have gone to the final four? Quinn Snyder, probably not. Alford, probably not. But it wasn't all him, despite what he would have you believe. Heck, they hired his unknown assistant who spent 1 year at low-major UNO and that guy's 1st four years more than best TC's last 4 years.
Some will boo because they hate / miss him, some will boo because they are glad he's gone. I'll probably just sit quietly saying, glad we let him go...like with Charles Woodson, you have to know when to pull the plug.
Much of that is true, but it wasn't that way early on. Over the years it became that way. He was treated well by some at MU and not so well by others and his memory was long (like his ties). Early on, it was family. Then some people didn't act so much like family (I think you know who I am talking about) and things changed. It takes two to tango.
Yes, Buzz's first four years were better, he also had a wildly different inherited situation.
MU didn't pull the plug, he pulled the plug.
Any coach hired would have had success? Maybe, but we all know the landscape is littered with examples of that not being true at schools equally prominent in hoops. NC State is one that wandered for a long time not being able to get back until very recently.
You are absolutely right, it wasn't all him. I think he acknowledged that in the video...players, administrators, etc. Its never about one person, but equally he often doesn't get his due either because some people can't separate hate from accomplishment.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 16, 2013, 08:48:20 AM
NC State is one that wandered for a long time not being able to get back until very recently.
Gottfried is a first cousin of the Harbaughs.
He probably would still be at Bama if he hadn't been, uh, friendly with a coed...
(http://www.playerwives.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/rolltide.jpg)
Team Gottfried in happier times
(http://friendsoftheprogram.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/gottfriedgirl.jpg)
Bama Coed Popularly known as "The Gottfried Girl"
FTR, I never count TC's first 2 years. i only grade him on years 3-9.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 16, 2013, 08:48:20 AM
Much of that is true, but it wasn't that way early on. Over the years it became that way. He was treated well by some at MU and not so well by others and his memory was long (like his ties). Early on, it was family. Then some people didn't act so much like family (I think you know who I am talking about) and things changed.
So it was all family until the Marquette family turned on Crean. Talk about revisionist history - next we'll all learn from you that the South won the Civil War. LOL
Guys, MU admin moved on, they fired TC, we should too. He was a decent coach, sort of an NIT version of Buzz.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 16, 2013, 05:15:00 PM
So it was all family until the Marquette family turned on Crean. Talk about revisionist history - next we'll all learn from you that the South won the Civil War. LOL
That's not what I said....go back a few posts and read exactly what I said. Your hyperbole is noted.
Of course, I also told you what was going on at IU, with him, their AD Glass, the stuff that never got reported about how bad things really were...the scandals were worse than reported in the media, etc...how all that would play out and he would be very much around and successful...I was 100% dead on right. Go back and read what I wrote when you and so many others here were saying I was wrong. Sorry, I have my sources too, many of them VERY close to the IU program. That's why I knew the bet I took with Rocky was the easiest bet in the history of mankind, even though so many here agreed that he was going to be gone.
Quote from: real chili 83 on February 16, 2013, 07:12:06 AM
I am guessing that the tribute won't make it on air on the CBS broadcast. Can someone take a video and post it afterwards?
You didn't miss anything. There was a three minute season highlight video at halftime and that's all. I'm sure it will be on YouTube if its not already.
Quote from: The Lens on February 16, 2013, 05:47:43 PM
Guys, MU admin moved on, they fired TC, we should too. He was a decent coach, sort of an NIT version of Buzz.
They fired TC? LOL
Kind of weird since Father Wild was shocked and on a plane and they had just extended his contract.
Yup already on YouTube.
http://youtu.be/n-3D4HEe4bU
The video will show you how much video quality has changed over the years as well.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on February 16, 2013, 05:52:37 PM
Yup already on YouTube.
http://youtu.be/n-3D4HEe4bU
Thanks for posting. So much fun. That was an incredible season.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 16, 2013, 05:52:34 PM
They fired TC? LOL
Kind of weird since Father Wild was shocked and on a plane and they had just extended his contract.
You know, feigned disappointment, half hearted search, promoting from within.
Look, I don't dislike Tom...he was a nice starter coach until we were ready to get serious about basketball.
But comparing, if you assume both inherited final four programs, their next 5 years is curious:
TC:
NIT
NIT
1st
1st
2nd
BUZZ:
2nd
1st
Sweet 16
Sweet 16
NCAA ??
Back to the original title of this post ...
I loved that team. It was as much fun as I've had following Marquette basketball ... and I'm old!
Novak should have come to the game instead of going to Houston.
:(
Quote from: MU82 on February 16, 2013, 06:47:24 PM
Back to the original title of this post ...
I loved that team. It was as much fun as I've had following Marquette basketball ... and I'm old!
I like that team but any of Al's teams were a lot more fun. Crean is suburban bland and so were his teams. Al is inner city carnival and everything about his teams were a spectacle. No comparison.
Homer here.
Tom Crean gave you two years of Dwyane Wade.
Add everything else up- all the negatives you can think of- mulitply by 1000 and it still doesn't equal two years of Dwyane Wade.
If you don't agree, you simply didn't watch any of those two years.
Does anybody think that video was lacking? There's a bizarre reference to beating Wisconsin, then reference to Lousiville, the Holy Cross game and that's kind of it except for Kentucky. I know there was a lot to cover in a short time, but the Missouri game was truly a classic, as was the Pitt game. There was also almost no footage of Jackson or Merritt. Just kind of weird.
Incidentally, Homer...you may have a point about Crean, but as somebody who drives to games from Chicago and who listens to the phenomenal post game interviews with Buzz, I can't help but be reminded every damn game what a phony douchebag Crean was and what a genuine and likable savant our current coach is. That's not the fault of the fan base. If Buzz leaves, I'll still like him a ton.
Quote from: keefe on February 16, 2013, 09:06:06 PM
I like that team but any of Al's teams were a lot more fun. Crean is suburban bland and so were his teams. Al is inner city carnival and everything about his teams were a spectacle. No comparison.
I arrived at MU a year and a half after Al left.
I was a college hoops fan and rooted for Warriors in 77 and was well aware of some of the earlier teams and definitely knew of their great players ... but ... I didn't really "follow" any of those teams. So while I don't doubt the truth in your post, mine also was true.
I'd say Wade paved Crean's driveway and then some. How could you stand working so closely with such an incredible, phony prick, Homer? O'Neil is abrasive and brash, but likeable. Buzz plays the aw schucks, country bumpkin role better than anyone, and is likeable. Crean just flat out thinks his schtick has everyone outsmarted. And no, this has nothing to do with him leaving. Frankly, that was the best thing he did while at MU.
Quote from: garbier1 on February 16, 2013, 09:15:08 PM
Homer here.
Tom Crean gave you two years of Dwyane Wade.
Add everything else up- all the negatives you can think of- mulitply by 1000 and it still doesn't equal two years of Dwyane Wade.
If you don't agree, you simply didn't watch any of those two years.
Homer
You miss the point entirely: We are not speaking of Tom Crean the coach but Tom Crean the "Man."
By the way, has Crean honored his pledge to support financially the Marquette soccer team? I look forward to hearing your answer.
Quote from: garbier1 on February 16, 2013, 09:15:08 PM
Homer here.
Tom Crean gave you two years of Dwyane Wade.
Add everything else up- all the negatives you can think of- mulitply by 1000 and it still doesn't equal two years of Dwyane Wade.
If you don't agree, you simply didn't watch any of those two years.
Homer:
You are wasting your breath here.
A couple of Scoopers love Crean and defend him no matter what. Some of us (including me) are relatively agnostic when it comes to Crean; we appreciate that he helped bring back the program, that he brought Wade and the Amigos here and that he hired Buzz; we don't hope he wins at IU but we don't hope he loses, either; we generally feel Buzz is the better coach and we've moved on. And then lots of Scoopers hate Crean with the fire of a million hells and hope for nothing but pain for him and his new team. Members of the latter group will hijack any thread and turn it into a Crean-Sucks diatribe.
Trying to convince the first or third groups of anything but their stated viewpoints is like trying to convince Nancy Pelosi to cut Medicare or Grover Norquist to raise taxes. It just ain't gonna happen.
It's kinda sad when you have to celebrate second place. It's a sign of desperation.
Homer, I'm getting word that after this unexpected loss to TCU, that Jeff Strohm will be doing the interview tonight. Tom's not available.
Anyone else surprised at what the "honoring the 2003 team" event was / was not?
When the video was over, didn't you think "was that it?" .. Seemed like no one from the 2003 team was there. .. The only player they showed on the Jumbotron was Wes Matthews, earlier.
My memory isn't great from 5 years ago, but .. they gave out those paperweight "rings" .. and I think I remember a half time ceremony, several guys from the team, round of applause kind of thing.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on February 17, 2013, 07:46:27 AM
Anyone else surprised at what the "honoring the 2003 team" event was / was not?
When the video was over, didn't you think "was that it?" .. Seemed like no one from the 2003 team was there. .. The only player they showed on the Jumbotron was Wes Matthews, earlier.
My memory isn't great from 5 years ago, but .. they gave out those paperweight "rings" .. and I think I remember a half time ceremony, several guys from the team, round of applause kind of thing.
My wife literally turned to me and said that. I was really disappointed, especially since I thought the audio was low and hard to hear. It was just a blah video and not a single player there was weird
I was expecting a lot of short videos from the guys like Wade, Novak and Diener that couldn't be there, on-floor intros of the players that could be there, and about a 10-minute production. I sat in my seat for probably 5 minutes after the short video was over thinking to myself thinking "I guess that was it." Highly disappointed. Not the only reason I came to the game and bought a good lower-bowl seat, but it was part of it. Thank goodness the team played so well yesterday.
Maybe all they wanted to do was sell a few more tickets.
Quote from: The Lens on February 16, 2013, 06:31:11 PM
You know, feigned disappointment, half hearted search, promoting from within.
LOL.
Quote from: The Lens on February 16, 2013, 06:36:00 PM
Look, I don't dislike Tom...he was a nice starter coach until we were ready to get serious about basketball.
But comparing, if you assume both inherited final four programs, their next 5 years is curious:
TC:
NIT
NIT
1st
1st
2nd
BUZZ:
2nd
1st
Sweet 16
Sweet 16
NCAA ??
I don't think they both inherited Final Four programs. One didn't, took us to a Final Four. He actually inherited a NIT program. As you said, the other has had the reigns of a program that is "now serious about hoops"...that Final Four must be right around the corner. ;)
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 17, 2013, 11:26:20 AM
I don't think they both inherited Final Four programs. One didn't, took us to a Final Four. He actually inherited a NIT program. As you said, the other has had the reigns of a program that is "now serious about hoops"...that Final Four must be right around the corner. ;)
I was talking about TC's last 5 years, after he went to the final four.
Quote from: The Lens on February 17, 2013, 09:00:18 PM
I was talking about TC's last 5 years, after he went to the final four.
I still don't buy the logic. MU lost a lot after their Final Four...RJAX, DWade, etc, including recruits who thought he was leaving. It was only their second NCAA trip in 6 years, not near the momentum that Buzz walked into. Vs coming in with a senior team that had gone 3 straight NCAAs. Also the field expanded to 68 teams in 2011...the year we were an 11 seed in the Big East and according to the experts, one of the last teams into the field.
The question to me is if Crean doesn't leave in 2008, are you really suggesting that Crean wouldn't also keep going to the NCAAs the last four years? TyShawn Taylor leading the charge, etc?
I'll take the under on Ty ever showing up at MU, regardless of who would have been coaching.
TC may have gotten us to the NCAAs. He would not have done back to back Sweet 16's.
Quote from: The Lens on February 17, 2013, 09:24:33 PM
I'll take the under on Ty ever showing up at MU, regardless of who would have been coaching.
TC may have gotten us to the NCAAs. He would not have done back to back Sweet 16's.
You don't know that, pure speculation. Just as we don't know how far MU would have gone in Buzz's first year if Dom doesn't get hurt, if someone else coached, etc. We'll never know, nothing but speculation....don't know who the matchups would be, how the regular season would have broken out, what the rosters looked like, etc. Remember how many people here said IU wouldn't get to the Sweet 16 last year, yet they did. Plenty of people here have been VERY wrong when it comes to predictions on him, including whether he would even be the head coach this year.
Ty would have been at MU, the year after would have been Maurice Creek was going wherever Crean was going. Nick Williams would have been here, he's a starter for Ole Miss now. Then you throw in the kids that were leaning MU, who knows who comes. We'll never know. Pure guess work.
The only guarantee in 2008 was that MU team was going to the NCAA tournament if you or I coached it...that's the only thing anyone could predict.