Georgetown held serve at home. MU is not good enough to beat a ranked team in their gym without playing a really good game, and MU didn't do it tonight. As Junior and Vander go, so goes the team, and they were awful tonight. JWilson with some points late. When Otule and JWilson with 10 late points are your leading scorers..... Got beat on the boards, G-town got to the line more, lazy passes leading to layups in the first half. Otule had a decent game. I keep picture him playing like this for last year's team....and so many said we were better without him.
Finally, a word about the officiating. It did not cost MU the game, but it sure wasn't good. On to Pitt.
Quote from: tower912 on February 11, 2013, 08:20:24 PM
Georgetown held serve at home. MU is not good enough to beat a ranked team in their gym without playing a really good game, and MU didn't do it tonight. As Junior and Vander go, so goes the team, and they were awful tonight. JWilson with some points late. When Otule and JWilson with 10 late points are your leading scorers..... Got beat on the boards, G-town got to the line more, lazy passes leading to layups in the first half. Otule had a decent game. I keep picture him playing like this for last year's team....and so many said we were better without him.
Finally, a word about the officiating. It did not cost MU the game, but it sure wasn't good. On to Pitt.
Agree on all counts.
the refs didn't cost MU the game, they called the entire thing really tight both ways, way to tight. It was like they were expecting a brawl or something, the game was hard to watch, I would have stopped watching in the first half if I was not a fan of either team in particular
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/ncaa/men/gameflash/2013/02/11/79022_boxscore.html
Box score.
Way too many turnovers...........
Lots of people harp on the lazy passes, but that is only half of the problem. Our guys need to remember to come to the ball. That will help avoid players cutting in front of them in the passing lane.
They are lousy passes and the receiver does have to come to the ball. Louisville took away the exact same passes during their big first half run.
Quote from: LAMUfan on February 11, 2013, 08:33:44 PM
the refs didn't cost MU the game, they called the entire thing really tight both ways, way to tight. It was like they were expecting a brawl or something, the game was hard to watch, I would have stopped watching in the first half if I was not a fan of either team in particular
+1, the refs took any flow away from both teams. I expected the outcome, but no fun to watch.
When our offense is not working it would be nice to see something other than passing around the perimeter.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 11, 2013, 08:51:57 PM
+1, the refs took any flow away from both teams.
Agreed. Refs were bad, but they were bad both ways. Georgetown played through the bad calls and adjusted, and we kept bumping around inside and getting called for it, and then taking out of control shots in the hopes of drawing a foul.
The way the game was called should have benefited MU as Gtown isn't very deep at all. Porter must have played 30 minutes straight after he picked up his second foul and never committed another one. I really had no problem with the way the game was called when you look at the individual plays. Did it have no flow? Yes, but I'm not sure that's on the refs. I do wish that DG would get at least one of those calls a game though. He got hammered on his one basket when they showed the replay. It's affecting his confidence I think.
At the game...a couple of observations:
--Not Buzz's best game. End of first half ugly and Buzz doesn't coach to runs with his time outs on the road. The T was the last straw as he was on them all game.
--Broken record but the zone offense is inept as it has been in every loss. Turnover City, most unforced.
--As a visiting fan sitting with my daughter, I was absolutely appalled at the swearing of the student body using chants of bull chips and Frick. More so, Jack the bulldog was brought out to attack a Marquette 12 pack. No sportsmanship!
Pilarz needs to send a letter of disgust.
--Marquette tee shirt gun> Georgetown's
--Stadium 60% full. Student body half full.
--I counted 10 offensive fouls. Maybe one or two on charges. Crew was making stuff up.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 11, 2013, 09:07:29 PM
--Stadium 60% full. Student body half full.
Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed this. What a pathetic showing. They are really in trouble when the new conference starts. They should just move back to their campus arena.
Officials were ridiculous tonight. Buzz seldom gets technicals and they got his wrath. I do not agree that the calls evened out. Georgetown was at home and got the benefit of the poor officiating--which is usually the case. Hess and Kersey were at their worst tonight. Kersey is always bad but Hess can be a decent official, not tonight. FWIW it was Hess' 69th game of the season and Kersey's 67th. They are #2 and tied for #3 in most games this season among officials. They were awful.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/referees
Senior point guard simply is too slow to answer the bell.
Quote from: Gato78 on February 11, 2013, 09:13:50 PM
Officials were ridiculous tonight. Buzz seldom gets technicals and they got his wrath. I do not agree that the calls evened out. Georgetown was at home and got the benefit of the poor officiating--which is usually the case. Hess and Kersey were at their worst tonight. Kersey is always bad but Hess can be a decent official, not tonight. FWIW it was Hess' 69th game of the season and Kersey's 67th. They are #2 and tied for #3 in most games this season among officials. They were awful.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/referees
He's worked 31 games in 42 days since the first of the year-
http://statsheet.com/mcb/referees/karl-hess/schedule
Quote from: tower912 on February 11, 2013, 08:42:54 PM
They are lousy passes and the receiver does have to come to the ball. Louisville took away the exact same passes during their big first half run.
The problem was more than just lousy passes. Two issues:
1.) Our ball screens left much to be desired.
2.) No counter to GT overplaying the passing lanes.
GT defended MU in the same matter that Louisville did. MU doesn't run a complicated offense and usually starts the offense using the same screening action. MU needs to incorporate some pass fakes and backdoor cuts into the set.
Quote from: MUfan12 on February 11, 2013, 09:35:14 PM
He's worked 31 games in 42 days since the first of the year-
http://statsheet.com/mcb/referees/karl-hess/schedule
So, he's worked less than most Americans in the first 42 days of the year?
I was .. irked .. that Buzz gave up at the end.
I realize the game was gonna go down as a loss, but 8 points down with 34 seconds left and you give up, let the other team dribble it out? No. You don't.
1) Jack the Bulldog attacks a box painted with the opposing teams logos and colors every game how is that poor sportsmanship? ?-(
2) Every student section swears even marquette's. They're college kids give them a break.
3) Our student fans and attendance in general is not great especially for week night games, but we're still better than most of the big east i think we're 4th in the BE. DC is a terrible fair weather sports city.
4) we do not have an on campus arena that we can use for BE game the on campus arena holds like 2,500. And the neighborhood will not allow us to build an on campus arena big enough.
5) Buzz deserves a technical every game until he learns to stay of the darn court. He's on the court the entire game. It's super annoying. Stay in the coaches box. I like you guys in general, but that habit of buzzes pisses the crap out of me.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 11, 2013, 10:15:16 PM
So, he's worked less than most Americans in the first 42 days of the year?
42 days equals 6 weeks which means 12 weekend days plus one holiday (Martin Luther King) equals 13 off days for most of America. 42-13=29, so, he's actually worked more than most Americans. Also, most Americans aren't trying to run their overweight gut up and down the floor with young men in their prime in top shape. Nor are they constantly on the road traveling for their work.
Quote from: hoyasincebirth on February 11, 2013, 10:56:40 PM
1) Jack the Bulldog attacks a box painted with the opposing teams logos and colors every game how is that poor sportsmanship? ?-(
2) Every student section swears even marquette's. They're college kids give them a break.
3) Our student fans and attendance in general is not great especially for week night games, but we're still better than most of the big east i think we're 4th in the BE. DC is a terrible fair weather sports city.
4) we do not have an on campus arena that we can use for BE game the on campus arena holds like 2,500. And the neighborhood will not allow us to build an on campus arena big enough.
5) Buzz deserves a technical every game until he learns to stay of the darn court. He's on the court the entire game. It's super annoying. Stay in the coaches box. I like you guys in general, but that habit of buzzes pisses the crap out of me.
I believe that points 1 & 2 were made in jest since our AD is threatening to take action against the student section for chanting "you suck' during a song played by the band at the end of home games. You have to be here regularly to know that, of course.
Quote from: forgetful on February 11, 2013, 08:39:27 PM
Lots of people harp on the lazy passes, but that is only half of the problem. Our guys need to remember to come to the ball. That will help avoid players cutting in front of them in the passing lane.
Plus, going to the ball when an opposing player is jumping at it can easily lead to a foul call on the opposing player.
Quote from: hoyasincebirth on February 11, 2013, 10:56:40 PM
1) Jack the Bulldog attacks a box painted with the opposing teams logos and colors every game how is that poor sportsmanship? ?-(
2) Every student section swears even marquette's. They're college kids give them a break.
3) Our student fans and attendance in general is not great especially for week night games, but we're still better than most of the big east i think we're 4th in the BE. DC is a terrible fair weather sports city.
4) we do not have an on campus arena that we can use for BE game the on campus arena holds like 2,500. And the neighborhood will not allow us to build an on campus arena big enough.
5) Buzz deserves a technical every game until he learns to stay of the darn court. He's on the court the entire game. It's super annoying. Stay in the coaches box. I like you guys in general, but that habit of buzzes pisses the crap out of me.
The Georgetown student section tonight was pathetic in terms of attendance. Two ranked teams from the Big East playing and the Hoyas could not draw more than 400 students, if that?
As for coaches on the floor and bitching to the refs, JTIII takes a back seat to no one. In the first half, when MU was on offense, across from the GU bench, JTIII was on the floor constantly. From the 400 level we were hoping our PG would just dribble the ball into JTIII to pick up a technical on him.
Last night our point guard would have missed him (or gotten stripped).
Quote from: Norm on February 11, 2013, 11:08:44 PM
The Georgetown student section tonight was pathetic in terms of attendance. Two ranked teams from the Big East playing and the Hoyas could not draw more than 400 students, if that?
As for coaches on the floor and bitching to the refs, JTIII takes a back seat to no one. In the first half, when MU was on offense, across from the GU bench, JTIII was on the floor constantly. From the 400 level we were hoping our PG would just dribble the ball into JTIII to pick up a technical on him.
First, almost all Georgetown fans and supporters will admit that Georgetown does not have great student and fan turnout. Additionally, I think most would admit Marquette appears to have very good turnout at its games. That being said, there are a lot of factors as to why Georgetown's student turnout is not (on average) as good as Marquette's. First, the Bradley Center is, what, 1/2 a mile from campus? Try getting from Georgetown's campus to the MCI center at rush hour on a weeknight. Second, Georgetown has less than 7,000 undergrad students. The student section at MCI holds about 2,200. To fill that means almost 1/3 of all undergrads have to show up. Third, and not to disparage Marquette, but Milwaukee ain't Washington, DC and the percentage of Georgetown students that have other commitments (interships, etc.) is higher than at any other college. Fourth, Georgetown has a lot of foreign students that could not care less about sports, and (sadly) a lot of other students that are apathetic as well.
Even with all of that, Georgetown still averaged more than 11,000 in attendance last season, fifth best in the conference.
And for a fan of a team coached by BUzz Williams to complain about another coach on the floor and bitching to the refs is rich. JT3 complain to refs less than any other coach in the conference. And I guarantee you'll never see him at halfcourt while the ball is in play. Everyone outside of Milwaukee knows Buzz is a buffoon. Anyone care to guess what he's going to do during next year's GU/MU game to kill his team's momentum?
Quote from: kchoya on February 12, 2013, 09:37:26 AM
Everyone outside of Milwaukee knows Buzz is a buffoon.
Nice.
Quote from: kchoya on February 12, 2013, 09:37:26 AM
Third, and not to disparage Marquette, but Milwaukee ain't Washington, DC and the percentage of Georgetown students that have other commitments (interships, etc.) is higher than at any other college.
Hey dat's not fair, we have a lot of students who set pins at da bowling lanes at night and others who get up right n early to milk cows in da morning. So our kids have 'der fancy pant intern jobs too!
Quote from: kchoya on February 12, 2013, 09:37:26 AM
First, almost all Georgetown fans and supporters will admit that Georgetown does not have great student and fan turnout. Additionally, I think most would admit Marquette appears to have very good turnout at its games. That being said, there are a lot of factors as to why Georgetown's student turnout is not (on average) as good as Marquette's. First, the Bradley Center is, what, 1/2 a mile from campus? Try getting from Georgetown's campus to the MCI center at rush hour on a weeknight. Second, Georgetown has less than 7,000 undergrad students. The student section at MCI holds about 2,200. To fill that means almost 1/3 of all undergrads have to show up. Third, and not to disparage Marquette, but Milwaukee ain't Washington, DC and the percentage of Georgetown students that have other commitments (interships, etc.) is higher than at any other college. Fourth, Georgetown has a lot of foreign students that could not care less about sports, and (sadly) a lot of other students that are apathetic as well.
kchoya, does G'Town provide transportation to/from the Verizon Center? Even though the Bradley Center is much closer to our campus, MU provides free shuttle bus transportation from the campus to the games and back.
Quote from: WarriorInDC on February 12, 2013, 09:45:41 AM
kchoya, does G'Town provide transportation to/from the Verizon Center? Even though the Bradley Center is much closer to our campus, MU provides free shuttle bus transportation from the campus to the games and back.
I graduated in '98 (and from the law school in '01, but I had non-student season tickets), and moved away in 2002, so this is just my understanding of the current situation...
No shuttles or transportation to the arena. Until a few years ago, I believe the University provided school buses to/from the games, but that has stopped. Now students have to walk or shuttle over to a Metro stop and take the subway in. Or they can walk or take a cab. Whichever method they choose, it's probably an hour each way for a weeknight game. That's better than taking the trip out to Maryand and the old USAirways arena when I was an undergrad, but not much better.
I've never been to Milwaukee, but on the map it looks like the Bradley Center is a pretty short walk from campus. Is that accurate?
Quote from: kchoya on February 12, 2013, 10:07:17 AM
I've never been to Milwaukee, but on the map it looks like the Bradley Center is a pretty short walk from campus. Is that accurate?
On average, it's about 1 mile from the middle of campus. Naturally, some students may be another half mile north, so some are going 1.5-2 miles.
But MU does provide shuttles.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on February 12, 2013, 10:50:35 AM
On average, it's about 1 mile from the middle of campus. Naturally, some students may be another half mile north, so some are going 1.5-2 miles.
But MU does provide shuttles.
I always laughed at the students that would take the shuttle back after the game when it was a mess. They would wait 25 min in line to get dropped off at the annex then back east to the dorms instead of walking a mile to Straz, carpenter, and Abbottsford. Some people are incredibly lazy.
Quote from: kchoya on February 12, 2013, 09:37:26 AM
And for a fan of a team coached by BUzz Williams to complain about another coach on the floor and bitching to the refs is rich. JT3 complain to refs less than any other coach in the conference. And I guarantee you'll never see him at halfcourt while the ball is in play. Everyone outside of Milwaukee knows Buzz is a buffoon. Anyone care to guess what he's going to do during next year's GU/MU game to kill his team's momentum?
UM, JT3 does complain to the refs - he was doing it last night. He was also out on the floor while Marquette had offensive possessions near their bench. Buzz went to half court because the refs kept ignoring him while he tried to call time out multiple times. If the refs do their jobs right, he doesn't have to venture to half court.
You may think Buzz if a buffoon, but he's taken Marquette to the NCAAs every year and to the Sweet 16 the past two seasons. He also develops players and has sent guys to the pros each of the past 4 years. He's also a great interview and a good guy. If he was your coach you would love him.
Quote from: Norm on February 12, 2013, 12:39:41 PM
If he was your coach you would love him.
Thank you!
That's the problem, he's our coach. He has done a great job for us and is poised for greatness.
Having JTIII as head coach is well, like having Allie replace Al. I liked Allie as a guard at MU (except when he allegedly stepped out of bounds in Athens, GA, a BS call if there ever was one) but I'm not sure he should have succeeded Al. Same for JTIII.
Every coach goes on to the court....it's almost laughable to single Buzz out...... ::)
Quick question: Anyone hate Oliver Purnell?
Quote from: dgies9156 on February 12, 2013, 12:56:45 PM
Thank you!
That's the problem, he's our coach. He has done a great job for us and is poised for greatness.
Having JTIII as head coach is well, like having Allie replace Al. I liked Allie as a guard at MU (except when he allegedly stepped out of bounds in Athens, GA, a BS call if there ever was one) but I'm not sure he should have succeeded Al. Same for JTIII.
Except the JT3 didn't replace his father (I forgive you - I've tried to forget the Craig Esherick years as well). It's the Joey Meyer principle - you don't want to be the guy who direclty follows your Dad.
I'm not sure I see the downside to have JT3 come to coach Georgetown? A final four, BET championships, regular season championships, a 70% winning percentage and a clean program? Plus, Georgetown is only one of four (I think) programs ranked in the top 10 each of for the past four seasons (hopefully it'll be five). Sounds pretty good to me. Am I missing something?
Yes, I probably would like Buzz if he coached at my alma mater. And I dislike him much less than Creepy Crean. ;D
Quote from: kchoya on February 12, 2013, 02:23:18 PM
And I dislike him much less than Creepy Crean. ;D
Me too!!!!!
Quote from: kchoya on February 12, 2013, 09:37:26 AM
The student section at MCI holds about 2,200. To fill that means almost 1/3 of all undergrads have to show up.
Marquette's undergrad population is about 8,000 and our student section is about 4,000. I'll spare you from doing the math; that's half of our undergrads, and we often do come close to filling it up. Don't get this board started on student participation.
Quote from: Norm on February 11, 2013, 11:08:44 PM
The Georgetown student section tonight was pathetic in terms of attendance. Two ranked teams from the Big East playing and the Hoyas could not draw more than 400 students, if that?
As for coaches on the floor and bitching to the refs, JTIII takes a back seat to no one. In the first half, when MU was on offense, across from the GU bench, JTIII was on the floor constantly. From the 400 level we were hoping our PG would just dribble the ball into JTIII to pick up a technical on him.
Buzz is definitely the worst of all coaches about being on the court. If fact. I think int he game at Marquette this year he ran into Markel Starks while he was on the court. Should have been a technical.
JT3 comparatively rarely is on the court and does not complain to the refs nearly as much as the average coach.
Quote from: hoyasincebirth on February 12, 2013, 05:36:39 PM
Buzz is definitely the worst of all coaches about being on the court. If fact. I think int he game at Marquette this year he ran into Markel Starks while he was on the court. Should have been a technical.
JT3 comparatively rarely is on the court and does not complain to the refs nearly as much as the average coach.
hoyasincebirth,
I live in DC and watch lots of Georgetown games, and yes, JT3 does complain to the refs - as much as any other coach. He's not as demonstrative with his body as say a Buzz or Pitino, but he gives it to the refs just like all other coaches.