St. John's, Syracuse agree to play
http://espn.go.com/new-york/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8898690/syracuse-orange-st-john-red-storm-agree-play-2013-14-2014-15
NEW YORK -- St. John's and Syracuse aren't done playing hoops against each other.
The two schools announced Wednesday that they will play a home-and-home men's basketball series in the 2013-14 and 2014-15 seasons. The Red Storm will host the Orange at Madison Square Garden on Dec. 15, 2013. The date at the Carrier Dome the following season is yet to be determined.
"The rivalry with St. John's has been one of the strongest for our program," Syracuse coach Jim Boeheim said in a statement released by the schools.
Added St. John's coach Steve Lavin: "The Johnnies and Cuse rivalry is now more than a century old and deserves to continue."
Both schools are among the top 10 in college basketball history in wins and winning percentage. Both were among the founding members of the Big East in 1979. But Syracuse is departing for the ACC after this season, and St. John's is among seven non-football schools that have also announced their intentions to leave and form a new league.
The two teams will meet one more time as Big East members in the regular season, on Feb. 10 at the Carrier Dome. Syracuse (18-2, 6-1) entered Wednesday night tied for first with Marquette, while St. John's (13-7, 5-3) is tied for third with Louisville.
That will be the 87th meeting between the teams in a series that dates back to 1912.
Who do we do this with?
Three options:
* ND
* Louisville
* Cincy
(ruling out Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers and WVU, UConn, USF)
Does it happen?
Thoughts?
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on January 31, 2013, 09:59:19 PM
Who do we do this with?
Three options:
* ND
* Louisville
* Cincy
(ruling out Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers and WVU, UConn, USF)
Does it happen?
Thoughts?
Why? I think that would be insane, a fantastic series. Or is the history not there?
Quote from: setyoursightsnorth on January 31, 2013, 10:12:20 PM
Why? I think that would be insane, a fantastic series. Or is the history not there?
We aren't located in New York state and we give them too much competition. Boeheim would never have it. But ND, Louisville, and Cincy are more traditional rivals that we should be making more of a priority to schedule.
Quote from: chapman on January 31, 2013, 10:15:36 PM
We aren't located in New York state and we give them too much competition. Boeheim would never have it. But ND, Louisville, and Cincy are more traditional rivals that we should be making more of a priority to schedule.
If the choice is between those 3, then I think it should be ND. Just something about that school gets me more riled up than Cincy or Louisville.
ND
It's ND if they will accept. I bet they want it with DePaul though.
Quote from: setyoursightsnorth on January 31, 2013, 10:12:20 PM
Why? I think that would be insane, a fantastic series. Or is the history not there?
Yeah...no history there at all. I, too, think it will be ND but prob not every year since they will throw in DePaul from time to time.
I'd think ND, UL, UC in that order.
Quote from: PTM on January 31, 2013, 10:27:56 PM
It's ND if they will accept. I bet they want it with DePaul though.
I think they'd want us...DePaul might be pathetic enough to have them demanding 2 for 1. Looking at ticket sales and offering ratings to a network I'd imagine it's got to make us much more attractive to them.
It would be great to continue the series with ND, but I'm not quite so sure the ND nation feels that MU is a big rivalry of theirs. Yes, they have played us a ton in their history, but since Al stepped down, and especially since Digger left, the younger ND fans do not really see us as a major rival. The MU fans definitely get into this rivalry much, much more then the ND fans.
Quote from: chapman on January 31, 2013, 10:37:01 PM
I'd think ND, UL, UC in that order.
I think they'd want us...DePaul might be pathetic enough to have them demanding 2 for 1. Looking at ticket sales and offering ratings to a network I'd imagine it's got to make us much more attractive to them.
A ND game in Chicago is a slam dunk for them.
Quote from: Norm on January 31, 2013, 10:38:00 PM
It would be great to continue the series with ND, but I'm not quite so sure the ND nation feels that MU is a big rivalry of theirs. Yes, they have played us a ton in their history, but since Al stepped down, and especially since Digger left, the younger ND fans do not really see us as a major rival. The MU fans definitely get into this rivalry much, much more then the ND fans.
And quite frankly, I dont think games like these are scheduled with the sole intention of pleasing fans. SJU needs crowds at MSG. The last time they played Duke there, the game only drew 13k people. I think they realize they need SU and prob UConn to make it a big-time game. And SU prob wanted to do it for recruiting exposure...and then prob pleasing their huge alum base there.
ND will want trips to Chicago for recruiting exposure and to please their alum base. Im not sure what a team gets out of playing at ND though.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on January 31, 2013, 09:59:19 PM
Who do we do this with?
Three options:
* ND
* Louisville
* Cincy
(ruling out Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers and WVU, UConn, USF)
Does it happen?
Thoughts?
Notre Dame by a mile. We've played each other for decades.
Louisville and Cincy are great home and homes if we can get them, but the Marquette-DePaul-Notre Dame triumvirate is a key part of our college basketball soul.
Quote from: Avenue Commons on January 31, 2013, 10:54:44 PM
the Marquette-DePaul-Notre Dame triumvirate is a key part of our college basketball soul.
Bob Newhart would say it is a rectangle
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In order of desirability, I'd say...
1) Notre Dame (history and both Catholic)
2) Louisville (great rivalry, perennial top-15)
3) Cincinnati
In terms of likelihood, I'd say...
1) Notre Dame
2) Cincinnati
3)
4)
5)
11) Louisville
I would love UL, but I don't think it's gonna happen.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on January 31, 2013, 09:59:19 PM
Who do we do this with?
In my book, it's L'ville...and it's not even close.
Incredibly tight games, crazy comebacks, last second shots, etc. Not to mention the Cards are consistently a Top 10 program (could use the RPI boost the next few years).
How about a Thanksgiving tourney every year in Chicago between MU, DePaul, Louisville and ND.
Two games on consecutive nights. We do not play DePaul because we are in the same conference. ND does not play Louisville because they are in the same conference.
So both DePaul and MU play Louisville and ND on consecutive nights.
Take Louisville over ND - they're just a better program and we should be playing the best.
Quote from: chapman on January 31, 2013, 10:15:36 PM
We aren't located in New York state and we give them too much competition. Boeheim would never have it. But ND, Louisville, and Cincy are more traditional rivals that we should be making more of a priority to schedule.
Hahahahaha.
Cuse has owned Marquette since we entered the Big East except once so let's not make up a reason for why this will never happen.
Boewhine won't be making the schedule in two years anyway so people shouldn't concern themselves too much with trying to get on the Orangemen's schedule. If we secure one series with a former conference partner it'd be a coup.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on February 01, 2013, 08:30:21 AM
Hahahahaha.
Cuse has owned Marquette since we entered the Big East except once so let's not make up a reason for why this will never happen.
They've beaten us 71% of the time. For their annual cupcake march in non-conference play they seem to prefer closer to a 98% chance of winning.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on February 01, 2013, 08:30:21 AM
Hahahahaha.
Cuse has owned Marquette since we entered the Big East except once so let's not make up a reason for why this will never happen.
Boewhine won't be making the schedule in two years anyway so people shouldn't concern themselves too much with trying to get on the Orangemen's schedule. If we secure one series with a former conference partner it'd be a coup.
I seem to remember us beating them twice in one year, on our way to the sweet 16. But I agree, they will not be scheduling a home and home with MU anytime soon.
Quote from: murocky01 on February 01, 2013, 08:45:47 AM
I seem to remember us beating them twice in one year, on our way to the sweet 16. But I agree, they will not be scheduling a home and home with MU anytime soon.
That is correct. Forgot about that Janaury game when Cuse shot lights out and still lost.
My main point is chapman seems to feel Cuse won't schedule MU because we give them too much competition even though the series hasn't been that tightly contested.
I'd like to see it with Louisville, and I think Pitino would like it to be Marquette.
ND has more history with us, but I think Louisville has a better chance of offering us an elite opponent on an annual basis and is more beneficial to RPI and SOS, tourney resume, etc.
Quote from: akmarq on February 01, 2013, 08:29:37 AM
Take Louisville over ND - they're just a better program and we should be playing the best.
Bingo. Louisville. They have everything one would want. Great program, historic rivalry, epic game history. Louisville is the one.
Quote from: honkytonk on January 31, 2013, 10:51:18 PM
Im not sure what a team gets out of playing at ND though.
A lesson on the supposed shortcomings of their lives.
i doubt L'Ville would do it, nor would it make a ton of sense for either program to do it. They alerady have UK and will also be a spotlight in the B1G/ACC challenge every year, so the rest of their sched will probably be pretty full. ND makes the most sense, but UCONN or Cincy are options too. Both programs should be good for a while. i realize it's redundant geographically with our projected make up of OH/East Coast schools, but both would be well attended/hard fought games as they have bee for the past many years.
Quote from: Wade for President on February 01, 2013, 05:28:23 AM
In my book, it's L'ville...and it's not even close.
Incredibly tight games, crazy comebacks, last second shots, etc. Not to mention the Cards are consistently a Top 10 program (could use the RPI boost the next few years).
I hate them so much...and I love the rivalry. Nothing else comes close. Notre Dame is a distant, DISTANT second and as much as I despise Cinci and like that rivalry, too, that team is a bunch of thugs and their fans a group of classless hooligans.
I'd take Louisville over ND simply based on the idea that within a couple years, we'll already be playing ND once or twice a year.
Quote from: Benny B on February 01, 2013, 09:42:30 AM
I'd take Louisville over ND simply based on the idea that within a couple years, we'll already be playing ND once or twice a year.
Do you really think they will bolt from the ACC to the C7 (+5)? I can't remember, is there an exit fee from the ACC?
Quote from: murocky01 on February 01, 2013, 09:47:26 AM
Do you really think they will bolt from the ACC to the C7 (+5)? I can't remember, is there an exit fee from the ACC?
Personally, I don't think they'll bolt, I think they'll never actually join... but that's 100% pure, unadulterated speculation - not to mention strictly my opinion.
I have absolutely no inside information that would ever suggest that ND is even considering taking its O-sports to the C7+5, even in the event they couldn't skirt the exit fee.
Quote from: PTM on January 31, 2013, 10:27:56 PM
It's ND if they will accept. I bet they want it with DePaul though.
ND has played MU more than any other team in the country...
Quote from: Benny B on February 01, 2013, 10:01:03 AM
Personally, I don't think they'll bolt, I think they'll never actually join... but that's 100% pure, unadulterated speculation - not to mention strictly my opinion.
I have absolutely no inside information that would ever suggest that ND is even considering taking its O-sports to the C7+5, even in the event they couldn't skirt the exit fee.
So you're saying ND to the C7 is a done deal?
Quote from: MU86NC on February 01, 2013, 10:05:59 AM
ND has played MU more than any other team in the country...
Correct, and ND ranks #2 for us. Depaul is #1.
Quote from: Benny B on February 01, 2013, 10:01:03 AM
Personally, I don't think they'll bolt, I think they'll never actually join... but that's 100% pure, unadulterated speculation - not to mention strictly my opinion.
I have absolutely no inside information that would ever suggest that ND is even considering taking its O-sports to the C7+5, even in the event they couldn't skirt the exit fee.
The are a done deal for the ACC. Also they get consideration for a football bowl in the ACC even though they are not technically part of the conference for football (they agreed to play 5 ACC teams a year).
ND has a great deal with the ACC.
What changes this deal is if the ACC starts getting poached. The B1G and B12 have recently made public statements they are not done. The logical poaching place is the ACC has they have the lowest football TV deal of the major conferences.
If a bunch of good ACC teams (Miami, Fla State, UNC, Clemson) jump and ND is stuck with five ACC games against teams like Wake Forest, Duke, Boston College and VT, all collectively bad teams, that kills their SoS and maybe their goal of a national championship. Remember SoS is huge in football as only 4 teams will make the new playoff and it will come down to "who you played and who you beat."
If/when this happens, they might reconsider the ACC and think about joining the C7 while staying completely independent in football. That is, unless the B1G caves and takes them as a non-football member.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on February 01, 2013, 12:00:55 PM
The are a done deal for the ACC. Also they get consideration for a football bowl in the ACC even though they are not technically part of the conference for football (they agreed to play 5 ACC teams a year).
ND has a great deal with the ACC.
What changes this deal is if the ACC starts getting poached. The B1G and B12 have recently made public statements they are not done. The logical poaching place is the ACC has they have the lowest football TV deal of the major conferences.
If a bunch of good ACC teams (Miami, Fla State, UNC, Clemson) jump and ND is stuck with five ACC games against teams like Wake Forest, Duke, Boston College and VT, all collectively bad teams, that kills their SoS and maybe their goal of a national championship. Remember SoS is huge in football as only 4 teams will make the new playoff and it will come down to "who you played and who you beat."
If/when this happens, they might reconsider the ACC and think about joining the C7 while staying completely independent in football. That is, unless the B1G caves and takes them as a non-football member.
Maybe you forgot that ND played Wake Forest, Boston College, Pitt, Miami and Navy this year...
We all want UL. Don't think UL wants us.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 01, 2013, 12:06:47 PM
We all want UL. Don't think UL wants us.
Well, at least most people posting here are familiar with the feeling.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on February 01, 2013, 12:00:55 PM
The are a done deal for the ACC. Also they get consideration for a football bowl in the ACC even though they are not technically part of the conference for football (they agreed to play 5 ACC teams a year).
ND has a great deal with the ACC.
What changes this deal is if the ACC starts getting poached. The B1G and B12 have recently made public statements they are not done. The logical poaching place is the ACC has they have the lowest football TV deal of the major conferences.
If a bunch of good ACC teams (Miami, Fla State, UNC, Clemson) jump and ND is stuck with five ACC games against teams like Wake Forest, Duke, Boston College and VT, all collectively bad teams, that kills their SoS and maybe their goal of a national championship. Remember SoS is huge in football as only 4 teams will make the new playoff and it will come down to "who you played and who you beat."
If/when this happens, they might reconsider the ACC and think about joining the C7 while staying completely independent in football. That is, unless the B1G caves and takes them as a non-football member.
Like I said... strictly my opinion. No need to restart the debate here.
For me (and most alums from pre 1990?) ND hands down.
Biggest game of the year when I was in school (78-82).
Order of importance
1) ND
2) DePaul
3) Becky
And ND was biggest by order of magnitude, IMHO.
We never were ND's biggest rival. UCLA was always more important, and probably DePaul.
LOUISVILLE!!!!
Quote from: honkytonk on February 01, 2013, 12:05:53 PM
Maybe you forgot that ND played Wake Forest, Boston College, Pitt, Miami and Navy this year...
Pitt and Miami are good. Navy is a service academy and they will play them every year forever.
Wake and BC are bad. Two on a schedule of 12 is tolerable. Forced to play 4 or 5 is not.